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Post by davkar on Feb 28, 2017 7:11:13 GMT
150 pages of gay drooling and I'm the weird one? (It was intentionally ambiguous. Thx for killing my joke. ) What's weird about gay drooling? Where did I say you were weird? I only stated I don't want to have relations with a Krogan, in my intimation. I stand by that. You understood my joke and counter-confused me with your own. Well played m'good sir! Well played!
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 7:11:45 GMT
Honestly, this doesn't bother me and neither does the lack of reveal of the bi squaddie (assuming there is one) because then a large portion of players would write them off as just 'the gay romance option'. The pragmatic truth is that the best representation is the representation that fits in seamlessly. People don't need ten conversations and banters about how Krem is trans and like, it's totally ok to be trans, guys! It just pisses people off and makes them more resistant. I'm gay and even I found the Krem and Dorian content overbearing. Trans and gay characters are already receiving representation in Bioware games. Let people enjoy them as nuanced, three dimensional characters without making a big deal of it and eventually nobody will bat an eye. I swear to god you can ask about Krem's gender identity like 15 times during the game!! It was annoying and jarring and I just... I wanted him to just be there, just BE KREM, and for the stupid transphobic player to figure it out himself and throw his controller through the TV screen instead of ME having to sit and tediously bypass all the pseudo-lecture dialogue options I knew hadn't been written for me. Exactly. I understood almost immediately that Krem was trans. And then for anyone who wasn't getting it, ONE dialogue option or even just that throwaway line about binding breasts would have communicated it and TADA! You've got a well represented trans character. Why on earth did they take up a quarter of Bull's scenes and banters to lecture players about this? It's like they have no concept of human psychology. That would annoy people who are totally indifferent to trans people. We don't need Ryder making out with a dude in the trailer. We just need good, well rounded gay characters in the game.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 7:19:15 GMT
That's because their marketing is terribly outdated. Bioware still have trouble even getting relatively even screentime for their female and male protagonists during marketing. Imagine how long it'll take before we get a trailer where the male protagonists is making out with a dude, rather than Ashley, Miranda, Ashley again, or Cora. It's going to be a long time, sadly... A long time Honestly, this doesn't bother me and neither does the lack of reveal of the bi squaddie (assuming there is one) because then a large portion of players would write them off as just 'the gay romance option'. The pragmatic truth is that the best representation is the representation that fits in seamlessly. People don't need ten conversations and banters about how Krem is trans and like, it's totally ok to be trans, guys! It just pisses people off and makes them more resistant. I'm gay and even I found the Krem and Dorian content overbearing. Trans and gay characters are already receiving representation in Bioware games. Let people enjoy them as nuanced, three dimensional characters without making a big deal of it and eventually nobody will bat an eye. The problem here is, there's a very thin line separating what I think you're saying, and which would be perfectly fine, and making the "invisible gay" character trope, which is NOT ok in the slightest. The invisible gay is someone like Arcade Gannon in F3, where you needed bachelor degrees in "advanced rpg gaming dialogue systems", "how to load/save 1 million times to uncover specific dialogues" and "patience of a non-existent god" not to mention a huge ammount of dumb luck, in order to discover he was gay. And there are plenty of people who want their "gays" to be like that. "I don't care you're gay, but why can't you be gay in the privacy of your own home and you have to be gay in the street?" "B-but we're just holding hands..." "EXCATLY! For god's sake man, think of the children!!! How am I to explain to them that kind of pornographic material???" So while Krem and Dorian might arguably come across that way (I disagree in Dorian's case, but whatever, I've come up with arguments about this numerous times, and the people calling his story preachy will just repeat the same stuff over and over again, thus no point in bothering with them), it's still better than having them be invisible just to be sure you don't upset the delicate special snowflakes out there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 7:19:21 GMT
I think the amount of content about Krem being trans is being inflated here. While it may not have been handled perfectly-I would argue against all representation needing to be -just let them figure it out-. There will be people who play these games that have no clue about such things, and misinformation can be just as harmful to representation as not having it at all.
I'm not an expert though, but I don't agree that we should marginalize content to make things comfortable for a section of people that will be outraged most likely no matter what.
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Post by not so salty shark on Feb 28, 2017 7:21:50 GMT
You know, I'm hoping they went there and Drack is one of the quickie / one night stand options they've been teasing. Even if it's just played for laughs (and in all likelihood it would be). Although if it's a possibility, you'd probably piss off the good Dr. Lexi if you moved in on her Kromance.
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Post by Panda on Feb 28, 2017 7:25:16 GMT
At least Krem's hmm trans-talk was avoidable in the game so people can choose to not to have it. Still personally I'd just preferred that him being trans came up more naturally within his backstory. I don't think it was naturally and well implemented in the game as it were, writing could have been better.
In terms of Dorian, I actually liked his content and his problem with his father ^^; Maybe it could have been more about forced marriage though.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 7:29:22 GMT
Honestly, this doesn't bother me and neither does the lack of reveal of the bi squaddie (assuming there is one) because then a large portion of players would write them off as just 'the gay romance option'. The pragmatic truth is that the best representation is the representation that fits in seamlessly. People don't need ten conversations and banters about how Krem is trans and like, it's totally ok to be trans, guys! It just pisses people off and makes them more resistant. I'm gay and even I found the Krem and Dorian content overbearing. Trans and gay characters are already receiving representation in Bioware games. Let people enjoy them as nuanced, three dimensional characters without making a big deal of it and eventually nobody will bat an eye. The problem here is, there's a very thin line separating what I think you're saying, and which would be perfectly fine, and making the "invisible gay" character trope, which is NOT ok in the slightest. The invisible gay is someone like Arcade Gannon in F3, where you needed bachelor degrees in "advanced rpg gaming dialogue systems", "how to load/save 1 million times to uncover specific dialogues" and "patience of a non-existent god" not to mention a huge ammount of dumb luck, in order to discover he was gay. And there are plenty of people who want their "gays" to be like that. "I don't care you're gay, but why can't you be gay in the privacy of your own home and you have to be gay in the street?" "B-but we're just holding hands..." "EXCATLY! For god's sake man, think of the children!!! How am I to explain to them that kind of pornographic material???" So while Krem and Dorian might arguably come across that way (I disagree in Dorian's case, but whatever, I've come up with arguments about this numerous times, and the people calling his story preachy will just repeat the same stuff over and over again, thus no point in bothering with them), it's still better than having them be invisible just to be sure you don't upset the delicate special snowflakes out there. I understand this argument and knew it was coming, but I just find it entirely dismissive. I'm not making excuses for ignorance or stupidity, or advocating for 'the invisible gay'. I'm advocating for the maturity to understand that putting in gay characters and then being like 'THEY'RE GAY! ACCEPT THEM!' will elicit the opposite reaction of what you intended, because lots of people are stubborn and stupid. I'm advocating for gay characters to be treated as nuanced characters first and gay people second. I actually thought Sam and Steve were pretty great on that front. Their sexuality wasn't hidden at all, but primarily they were useful professionals aboard your ship. Regarding Dorian...the dude was set up as having solid cultural issues with his dad that had NOTHING to do with being gay. Namely that he was railing against Tevinter culture as something of a progressive combined with the fact that he was refusing to carry on his mage bloodline. Those conflicts were interesting and relevant to the plot. Then you go and suddenly it's because he's gay. It was bizarre.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 7:36:15 GMT
At least Krem's hmm trans-talk was avoidable in the game so people can choose to not to have it. Still personally I'd just preferred that him being trans came up more naturally within his backstory. I don't think it was naturally and well implemented in the game as it were, writing could have been better. In terms of Dorian, I actually liked his content and his problem with his father ^^; Maybe it could have been more about forced marriage though. I'm not advocating for gated content to protect people that I personally would slap the shit out of in person and who's safe space I could give two fucks about. I don't care about it being 'avoidable'. I care about it being well written and naturally occurring. Krem's approach was patronising. Particularly the multiple Cole banters about it. Bring it up, sure! But bring it up well and then move onto something else that enriches his character.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 7:40:57 GMT
I can see where both Kian and thesnarkyshaman are coming from. I think there should be more LGBT characters that aren't just obviously "the token gay character," but I don't want them to be invisible either. I don't think that Scott kissing a dude in a trailer would make that character "the token m/m option" though. Hell, I think it's stupid that Cora isn't going to be known as "the straight woman" but that having a gay version of that scene would characterize that character as "the gay character." My issue stems from the fact that often straight characters get more marketing and plot relevance from Bioware games where there are straight love interests as well as bi, gay love interests. Furthermore, it seems like certain types of characters in general get to be gay, bi, etc, while straight characters get to have a whole range of characterizations and different roles in the story. I think Dorian was great for what he was, but, going forward, I would love to see more focus on his efforts to change Tevinter, while also not forgetting his sexuality and his potential relationships with Bull or the Male Inquisitor.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 7:45:39 GMT
Unless they add it in later there isn't even a tile in the keep for the Dorian/Iron Bull romance, so I don't think we'll get anything more about that again. (Which is fine with me) Squad/team romances have never come up again in another game, and I don't think we should start now.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 7:45:58 GMT
The problem here is, there's a very thin line separating what I think you're saying, and which would be perfectly fine, and making the "invisible gay" character trope, which is NOT ok in the slightest. The invisible gay is someone like Arcade Gannon in F3, where you needed bachelor degrees in "advanced rpg gaming dialogue systems", "how to load/save 1 million times to uncover specific dialogues" and "patience of a non-existent god" not to mention a huge ammount of dumb luck, in order to discover he was gay. And there are plenty of people who want their "gays" to be like that. "I don't care you're gay, but why can't you be gay in the privacy of your own home and you have to be gay in the street?" "B-but we're just holding hands..." "EXCATLY! For god's sake man, think of the children!!! How am I to explain to them that kind of pornographic material???" So while Krem and Dorian might arguably come across that way (I disagree in Dorian's case, but whatever, I've come up with arguments about this numerous times, and the people calling his story preachy will just repeat the same stuff over and over again, thus no point in bothering with them), it's still better than having them be invisible just to be sure you don't upset the delicate special snowflakes out there. I understand this argument and knew it was coming, but I just find it entirely dismissive. I'm not making excuses for ignorance or stupidity, or advocating for 'the invisible gay'. I'm advocating for the maturity to understand that putting in gay characters and then being like 'THEY'RE GAY! ACCEPT THEM!' will elicit the opposite reaction of what you intended, because lots of people are stubborn and stupid. I'm advocating for gay characters to be treated as nuanced characters first and gay people second. I actually thought Sam and Steve were pretty great on that front. Their sexuality wasn't hidden at all, but primarily they were useful professionals aboard your ship. Regarding Dorian...the dude was set up as having solid cultural issues with his dad that had NOTHING to do with being gay. Namely that he was railing against Tevinter culture as something of a progressive combined with the fact that he was refusing to carry on his mage bloodline. Those conflicts were interesting and relevant to the plot. Then you go and suddenly it's because he's gay. It was bizarre. I've argued against that many times. Namely making characters with the "I'm gay" sign attached to their forehead. It's what some companies out there do in order to pretend they're inclusive. And it's a problem some str8 writers have, which is something I also mentioned a few times on these forums. They seem to be incapable of making "a gay character" but instead make a "*GASP* gay character", as in they are so hung up on the "weird gay thing" that they fk it up. You don't see this problem as often with gay people writing or creating characters since they can more easily make it seamless. So my argument wasn't to contradict what you said or missing this point, which is why I said "The problem here is, there's a very thin line separating what I think you're saying, and which would be perfectly fine, and making the "invisible gay" character trope, which is NOT ok in the slightest.". I was pointing out that some people are having trouble with that separation and will often sing wildly across the line in either direction.
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Post by davkar on Feb 28, 2017 7:48:40 GMT
The problem here is, there's a very thin line separating what I think you're saying, and which would be perfectly fine, and making the "invisible gay" character trope, which is NOT ok in the slightest. The invisible gay is someone like Arcade Gannon in F3, where you needed bachelor degrees in "advanced rpg gaming dialogue systems", "how to load/save 1 million times to uncover specific dialogues" and "patience of a non-existent god" not to mention a huge ammount of dumb luck, in order to discover he was gay. And there are plenty of people who want their "gays" to be like that. "I don't care you're gay, but why can't you be gay in the privacy of your own home and you have to be gay in the street?" "B-but we're just holding hands..." "EXCATLY! For god's sake man, think of the children!!! How am I to explain to them that kind of pornographic material???" So while Krem and Dorian might arguably come across that way (I disagree in Dorian's case, but whatever, I've come up with arguments about this numerous times, and the people calling his story preachy will just repeat the same stuff over and over again, thus no point in bothering with them), it's still better than having them be invisible just to be sure you don't upset the delicate special snowflakes out there. I understand this argument and knew it was coming, but I just find it entirely dismissive. I'm not making excuses for ignorance or stupidity, or advocating for 'the invisible gay'. I'm advocating for the maturity to understand that putting in gay characters and then being like 'THEY'RE GAY! ACCEPT THEM!' will elicit the opposite reaction of what you intended, because lots of people are stubborn and stupid. I'm advocating for gay characters to be treated as nuanced characters first and gay people second. I actually thought Sam and Steve were pretty great on that front. Their sexuality wasn't hidden at all, but primarily they were useful professionals aboard your ship. Regarding Dorian...the dude was set up as having solid cultural issues with his dad that had NOTHING to do with being gay. Namely that he was railing against Tevinter culture as something of a progressive combined with the fact that he was refusing to carry on his mage bloodline. Those conflicts were interesting and relevant to the plot. Then you go and suddenly it's because he's gay. It was bizarre. It had everything to do with him being gay. Change him with blood magic just to put on a standard tevinter status show. Even with his family's no blood magic policy? All these thing, sexuality, culture, family drama, the good tevinter helping the southern barbarians etc themes merged well together. I really liked the "don't care what they want/say, you're my friend" options.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 7:49:18 GMT
I can see where both Kian and thesnarkyshaman are coming from. I think there should be more LGBT characters that aren't just obviously "the token gay character," but I don't want them to be invisible either. I don't think that Scott kissing a dude in a trailer would make that character "the token m/m option" though. Hell, I think it's stupid that Cora isn't going to be known as "the straight woman" but that having a gay version of that scene would characterize that character as "the gay character." My issue stems from the fact that often straight characters get more marketing and plot relevance from Bioware games where there are straight love interests as well as bi, gay love interests. Furthermore, it seems like certain types of characters in general get to be gay, bi, etc, while straight characters get to have a whole range of characterizations and different roles in the story. I think Dorian was great for what he was, but, going forward, I would love to see more focus on his efforts to change Tevinter, while also not forgetting his sexuality and his potential relationships with Bull or the Male Inquisitor. Yeah lol, at this point the Bioware tropes, like the "sex-crazed bi rogue", are becoming a thing on their own... We don't need to reference anything else in order for people to know what we're talking about
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Post by Artemis on Feb 28, 2017 7:49:54 GMT
I think the amount of content about Krem being trans is being inflated here. While it may not have been handled perfectly-I would argue against all representation needing to be -just let them figure it out-. There will be people who play these games that have no clue about such things, and misinformation can be just as harmful to representation as not having it at all. I'm not an expert though, but I don't agree that we should marginalize content to make things comfortable for a section of people that will be outraged most likely no matter what. Whoa... no way do I suggest marginalizing content to make transphobic people comfortable! Man I'm really sorry if that came across *shudder* I mean the exact opposite. I could give a rat's ass about the hateful bigots. Let them rage. But I felt the writers did a disserviceto Krem's character. They used him as a "lesson" for those same bigots. I am actually running four DAI playthroughs at the moment (thought I've paused to replay ME) so I've encountered these situations fairly recently, and maybe 15 was an exaggeration but it was too much for my taste. It just felt like the game was prodding me to be a rude and clueless asshole.
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Post by Panda on Feb 28, 2017 7:51:27 GMT
At least Krem's hmm trans-talk was avoidable in the game so people can choose to not to have it. Still personally I'd just preferred that him being trans came up more naturally within his backstory. I don't think it was naturally and well implemented in the game as it were, writing could have been better. In terms of Dorian, I actually liked his content and his problem with his father ^^; Maybe it could have been more about forced marriage though. I'm not advocating for gated content to protect people that I personally would slap the shit out of in person and who's safe space I could give two fucks about. I don't care about it being 'avoidable'. I care about it being well written and naturally occurring. Krem's approach was patronising. Particularly the multiple Cole banters about it. Bring it up, sure! But bring it up well and then move onto something else that enriches his character. Ah I didn't mean that all LGBT+ stuff should be avoidable or hidden in the game. Just in this particular case I didn't think Krem's talk was that good and natural so I chose to avoid it myself. I don't see why I'd ask a person all of sudden why they are passing as a guy or what the dialogue option was. But since it was avoidable as well, I don't get why some have such problem with Krem being trans and even going as far as saying that he's token character and doesn't have other content outside being trans (I have seen this around before), since he does have lot of other content as well than one talk you can skip.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 7:52:30 GMT
I think the amount of content about Krem being trans is being inflated here. While it may not have been handled perfectly-I would argue against all representation needing to be -just let them figure it out-. There will be people who play these games that have no clue about such things, and misinformation can be just as harmful to representation as not having it at all. I'm not an expert though, but I don't agree that we should marginalize content to make things comfortable for a section of people that will be outraged most likely no matter what. Whoa... no way do I suggest marginalizing content to make transphobic people comfortable! Man I'm really sorry if that came across *shudder* I mean the exact opposite. I could give a rat's ass about the hateful bigots. Let them rage. But I felt the writers did a disserviceto Krem's character. They used him as a "lesson" for those same bigots. I am actually running four DAI playthroughs at the moment (thought I've paused to replay ME) so I've encountered these situations fairly recently, and maybe 15 was an exaggeration but it was too much for my taste. It just felt like the game was prodding me to be a rude and clueless asshole. I'm glad you weren't meaning anything by it, but I tend to worry when people talk about such things so I err on the side of caution and try to make sure it's viewed from all sides. I took no offense to anything that was said-and hope that's true the other way around.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 28, 2017 7:55:16 GMT
Whoa... no way do I suggest marginalizing content to make transphobic people comfortable! Man I'm really sorry if that came across *shudder* I mean the exact opposite. I could give a rat's ass about the hateful bigots. Let them rage. But I felt the writers did a disserviceto Krem's character. They used him as a "lesson" for those same bigots. I am actually running four DAI playthroughs at the moment (thought I've paused to replay ME) so I've encountered these situations fairly recently, and maybe 15 was an exaggeration but it was too much for my taste. It just felt like the game was prodding me to be a rude and clueless asshole. I'm glad you weren't meaning anything by it, but I tend to worry when people talk about such things so I err on the side of caution and try to make sure it's viewed from all sides. I took no offense to anything that was said-and hope that's true the other way around. lmao at some point we realize we're all the same 20 or 30 people with the same core beliefs "arguing" the same side of the argument...
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 7:55:27 GMT
I understand this argument and knew it was coming, but I just find it entirely dismissive. I'm not making excuses for ignorance or stupidity, or advocating for 'the invisible gay'. I'm advocating for the maturity to understand that putting in gay characters and then being like 'THEY'RE GAY! ACCEPT THEM!' will elicit the opposite reaction of what you intended, because lots of people are stubborn and stupid. I'm advocating for gay characters to be treated as nuanced characters first and gay people second. I actually thought Sam and Steve were pretty great on that front. Their sexuality wasn't hidden at all, but primarily they were useful professionals aboard your ship. Regarding Dorian...the dude was set up as having solid cultural issues with his dad that had NOTHING to do with being gay. Namely that he was railing against Tevinter culture as something of a progressive combined with the fact that he was refusing to carry on his mage bloodline. Those conflicts were interesting and relevant to the plot. Then you go and suddenly it's because he's gay. It was bizarre. I've argued against that many times. Namely making characters with the "I'm gay" sign attached to their forehead. It's what some companies out there do in order to pretend they're inclusive. And it's a problem some str8 writers have, which is something I also mentioned a few times on these forums. They seem to be incapable of making "a gay character" but instead make a "*GASP* gay character", as in they are so hung up on the "weird gay thing" that they fk it up. You don't see this problem as often with gay people writing or creating characters since they can more easily make it seamless. So my argument wasn't to contradict what you said or missing this point, which is why I said "The problem here is, there's a very thin line separating what I think you're saying, and which would be perfectly fine, and making the "invisible gay" character trope, which is NOT ok in the slightest.". I was pointing out that some people are having trouble with that separation and will often sing wildly across the line in either direction. Sure, man. I'm not pissed off or anything. I'm just pre-empting the inevitable 'you're making excuses for bigots/supporting the marginalisation of content' type stuff, which is not remotely what I'm saying. As an annoying militant vegetarian, I'm just applying the life lesson that people will eat more bacon just to fucking spite you if you tell them they're eating a corpse. Even though they are. When you engage people with ideas and concepts they might otherwise avoid in a seamless, thoughtful way, they're much likely to hear you. Hence, Steve and Sam good. Compromising your characters and transparently turning Cole and Bull into the writers mouthpiece to teach gamers about trans people? Not so much.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 28, 2017 7:58:35 GMT
I've argued against that many times. Namely making characters with the "I'm gay" sign attached to their forehead. It's what some companies out there do in order to pretend they're inclusive. And it's a problem some str8 writers have, which is something I also mentioned a few times on these forums. They seem to be incapable of making "a gay character" but instead make a "*GASP* gay character", as in they are so hung up on the "weird gay thing" that they fk it up. You don't see this problem as often with gay people writing or creating characters since they can more easily make it seamless. So my argument wasn't to contradict what you said or missing this point, which is why I said "The problem here is, there's a very thin line separating what I think you're saying, and which would be perfectly fine, and making the "invisible gay" character trope, which is NOT ok in the slightest.". I was pointing out that some people are having trouble with that separation and will often sing wildly across the line in either direction. Sure, man. I'm not pissed off or anything. I'm just pre-empting the inevitable 'you're making excuses for bigots/supporting the marginalisation of content' type stuff, which is not remotely what I'm saying. As an annoying militant vegetarian, I'm just applying the life lesson that people will eat more bacon just to fucking spite you if you tell them they're eating a corpse. Even though they are. When you engage people with ideas and concepts they might otherwise avoid in a seamless, thoughtful way, they're much likely to hear you. Hence, Steve and Sam good. Compromising your characters and transparently turning Cole and Bull into the writers mouthpiece to teach gamers about trans people? Not so much.OMfuckingG. Thank you. Fucking thank you. I get so much shit for being a vegetarian. And then all the laughter and the "lol I love bacon too much to give it up hahaha" ... me: :poker: You realize that... doesn't make you look very good... from my point of view... "I love to eat the innocent flesh of dead animals because it tastes soooo good rofl" *backs away slowly* Though I've simply come to the conclusion that humans are born with different levels of empathy, and meat-eaters are just a little short on it, that's all.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 8:00:44 GMT
One thing I want to ask, since we're talking about LGBT characters and their level of quality, what kind of LGBT characters do you want to see?
For one, I would love it if, in the future, at least one of the non-asari characters in all the marketing were gay/bi. Like you know what I'm talking about: the starter, main squadmate/companion who has a lot of content and connections to the main plot. Like, Cassandra from DA:I, for example.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 8:01:22 GMT
You already quoted me now so it's too late... but I wanted to say "swing across the line" not "sing across the line"... the shame... lol...
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 8:01:37 GMT
Sure, man. I'm not pissed off or anything. I'm just pre-empting the inevitable 'you're making excuses for bigots/supporting the marginalisation of content' type stuff, which is not remotely what I'm saying. As an annoying militant vegetarian, I'm just applying the life lesson that people will eat more bacon just to fucking spite you if you tell them they're eating a corpse. Even though they are. When you engage people with ideas and concepts they might otherwise avoid in a seamless, thoughtful way, they're much likely to hear you. Hence, Steve and Sam good. Compromising your characters and transparently turning Cole and Bull into the writers mouthpiece to teach gamers about trans people? Not so much. OMfuckingG. Thank you. Fucking thank you. I get so much shit for being a vegetarian. And then all the laughter and the "lol I love bacon too much to give it up hahaha" ... me: :poker: You realize that... doesn't make you look very good... from my point of view... "I love to eat the innocent flesh of dead animals because it tastes soooo good rofl" *backs away slowly* Though I've simply come to the conclusion that humans are born with different levels of empathy, and meat-eaters are just a little short on it, that's all. People are like, actively aggressive when I tell them I'm a vegetarian. I've gotten shit for being gay ONCE (in real life, anyway. Online is a different story but it just goes to show what huge pussies these people are). Vegetarian? All the time. Even when the other person brought it up and then they seem to have to basically drill me on why I would do such a thing until it devolves into them challenging me to explain how a cow is different from a broccoli (no, really).
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Post by Panda on Feb 28, 2017 8:01:46 GMT
Gaylien.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 8:03:33 GMT
One thing I want to ask, since we're talking about LGBT characters and their level of quality, what kind of LGBT characters do you want to see? For one, I would love it if, in the future, at least one of the non-asari characters in all the marketing were gay/bi. Like you know what I'm talking about: the starter, main squadmate/companion who has a lot of content and connections to the main plot. Like, Cassandra from DA:I, for example. Do you have to ask? GAY KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOUR. WITH A RUGBY PLAYER BUILD. AND SWEET, DOPEY HAZEL PUPPY EYES.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 8:05:03 GMT
One thing I want to ask, since we're talking about LGBT characters and their level of quality, what kind of LGBT characters do you want to see? For one, I would love it if, in the future, at least one of the non-asari characters in all the marketing were gay/bi. Like you know what I'm talking about: the starter, main squadmate/companion who has a lot of content and connections to the main plot. Like, Cassandra from DA:I, for example. A major character being gay or bi would be amazing. Having a s/s kiss in trailers too... Eh. One can only dream of such "impossible" things
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