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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:49:53 GMT
People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. Those can affect cultural norms, though, which can result in less people coming out of the closet. As for the births of LGBT people, there are several theories. Some people even say it's linked to stress hormones in the womb, and, well, people are gonna be pretty damn stressed when there's war, famine, plague (they link to the study in the artcle). There could also be an obvious evolutionary benefit to it, assuming that there is overpopulation and/or issues where one or more parents are unavailable to help care for kids. In general, we don't know exactly what causes this, so it's not like we can say those things are never factors in more LGBT people being born or being out of the closet. fun fact, there are indeed no evolutionary benefits to LGBT people who do not want to reproduce. (NOTE THAT THIS IN NO WAY DIMINISHES THEIR PERSONHOOD AND THE LEVEL OF RESPECT THEY SHOULD BE TREATED WITH) EDIT: I've looked at the article and nothing in there suggests periods of resource stress lead to an uptick in the % of the population that in LGBT. Can you clarify what you think does support that?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 16:50:32 GMT
Polygamia.pl tester flirted (as Scott) with Vetra, Gil and "Kadara informant" (male form was used for the word): polygamia.pl/mass-effect-andromeda-zapowiedz/Translation: "Recently I wrote about Bioware's cutesy sexual marketing campaign and even during just 3 hours in the game playing as a male I managed to flirt with the Tempest's engineer, Kadara's informant and, so you don't jump to conclusions, also with the Turian from the squad. Yes the banging... I mean romancing will be in high supply, by it definitely won't overshadow other aspects. It's not the space softcore porn one could expect." We know Reyes is on Kadara... And my friend said one of the m/m options is on a planet hub. With Reyes being on a planet hub, I think we can possibly count on him being into men?
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 3, 2017 16:51:43 GMT
Indeed. People screaming "UNREALISTIC!!!" at the thought of numerous characters in a video game liking the same sex has always been a completely absurd argument to me. Complain about the lack of LGBT content and you get responses like, "Well, I know it sucks for you, but you have to remember that the devs are striving for realism here!" Meanwhile, Sara is bumping uglies with a purple squid cobra cat man and nobody cares. Since we are still on this idea that "realistic" is not working in games, I will now say something that will make people hate me, but I don't care anymore. Why do you care if there is lgbt in the game? It is "just a game". So in that regard, you should not care anymore about having lgbt npc in the game than having realistic things, because it is "just a game". Some people want npc that are realistic, that does not mean they don't want any lgbt in the game. But the fact that you have to claim that it is "just a game" to put in lgbt in it do not help in any way. Maybe you should stop act as it is a "life and death" matter and realise that it is "just a game". But I start to want Bioware to cut all romance in the games because nobody (no matter what sexuality) is apparently happy about anything! Now, do not respond to this post because I will not care to answer and it will only start a war and that will make the mods annoyed. Because representation matter dude. Maybe when you're in a privilege spot in society is not that important, you have to be a little empathetic for that, ya know. The most recent example for me was Alex Danvers from Supergirl tv show, her come out story was so well-written that had influence in several viewers. This and this.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 16:51:57 GMT
Those can affect cultural norms, though, which can result in less people coming out of the closet. As for the births of LGBT people, there are several theories. Some people even say it's linked to stress hormones in the womb, and, well, people are gonna be pretty damn stressed when there's war, famine, plague (they link to the study in the artcle). There could also be an obvious evolutionary benefit to it, assuming that there is overpopulation and/or issues where one or more parents are unavailable to help care for kids. In general, we don't know exactly what causes this, so it's not like we can say those things are never factors in more LGBT people being born or being out of the closet. fun fact, there are indeed no evolutionary benefits to LGBT people who do not want to reproduce. (NOTE THAT THIS IN NO WAY DIMINISHES THEIR PERSONHOOD AND THE LEVEL OF RESPECT THEY SHOULD BE TREATED WITH) Here's some reading for you to catch up on. Also, considering you make statements like these without any actual back-up, it's a little hard to take you at face value here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 16:52:11 GMT
The discontinuity of the populations lead to pressures to place taboos on non-procreative sexuality. When societies were concerned with the carrying capacity, and had to control birtrates rather than increase them to compensate for the threat of extinction, taboos were lessened. If the societal and cultural ideals and taboos where different, who knows who and why every individual would have come to love. I wonder... So your argument, as I understand it, is that its because social taboos that more people identify as straight in the modern day? What utter nonsense. It is my theory that the procreative pressures effect taboos that are deeply ingrained. Should that societal mindset become reversed, and we start considering having multiple children or any children at al amoral, as it is destroying the world, the non-procreative relationships will become something most will consider ideal and will aspire to. Conceptually, that will remove any pre- conditioned impetus on attraction being guided by gender. I feel that it will very likely result in increase in the expressed and acted upon same-gender attraction. That's what I think, nonsense maybe. But well, I do sort of hope this happens, either that, or we have to colonize Mars. But we are not investing in that heavily enough, and what is done currently, following the old dogmas is catastrophic and terrible.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 16:54:52 GMT
Those can affect cultural norms, though, which can result in less people coming out of the closet. As for the births of LGBT people, there are several theories. Some people even say it's linked to stress hormones in the womb, and, well, people are gonna be pretty damn stressed when there's war, famine, plague (they link to the study in the artcle). There could also be an obvious evolutionary benefit to it, assuming that there is overpopulation and/or issues where one or more parents are unavailable to help care for kids. In general, we don't know exactly what causes this, so it's not like we can say those things are never factors in more LGBT people being born or being out of the closet. EDIT: I've looked at the article and nothing in there suggests periods of resource stress lead to an uptick in the % of the population that in LGBT. Can you clarify what you think does support that? I never said resource stress was directly proven to cause more LGBT people. The study linked in the article suggests a link between the mother's stress hormones and a higher rate of gay people being born.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:55:58 GMT
fun fact, there are indeed no evolutionary benefits to LGBT people who do not want to reproduce. (NOTE THAT THIS IN NO WAY DIMINISHES THEIR PERSONHOOD AND THE LEVEL OF RESPECT THEY SHOULD BE TREATED WITH) Here's some reading for you to catch up on. Also, considering you make statements like these without any actual back-up, it's a little hard to take you at face value here. Do I really need to preface every statement I make with "note this is not the opinion of a professional scientist with relevant degrees who also uses hyperbolic writing and statements for the purposes of humor"? I also specifically pointed out those who do not wish to reproduce, up until very recently it wasn't exactly possible for most LGBT people to live in same sex unions and throughout history LGBT people have had children.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:59:09 GMT
So your argument, as I understand it, is that its because social taboos that more people identify as straight in the modern day? What utter nonsense. It is my theory that the procreative pressures effect taboos that are deeply ingrained. Should that societal mindset become reversed, and we start considering having multiple children or any children at al amoral, as it is destroying the world, the non-procreative relationships will become something most will consider ideal and will aspire to. Conceptually, that will remove any pre- conditioned impetus on attraction being guided by gender. I feel that it will very likely result in increase in the expressed and acted upon same-gender attraction. That's what I think, nonsense maybe. But well, I do sort of hope this happens, either that, or we have to colonize Mars. But we are not investing in that heavily enough, and what is done currently, following the old dogmas is catastrophic and terrible. It is my theory that there is a secret Nazi base on Saturn's moon Titan that is plotting to destroy the modern world as we know it and usher in a 10,000yr 4th Reich. both of our theories have about equal validity
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Post by ShakespeareInSpace on Mar 3, 2017 17:03:09 GMT
I thought the general consensus is that you are born with an inherent sexuality, gay or straight, bisexual, pansexual etc. External factors do not change a person's sexuality or those who think "pray to be free of gay" would succeed. Who you are attracted to in codified in your DNA or isnt this what the lgbt community have being fighting for for decades.
Somebody saying removing societies preconceived notions will change my sexuality is repugnant and ludicrous. It will change people's tolerance and acceptance, people born lgbt will live freely and without discrimination but they won't be fundamentally and genetically changed because society now dictates who doesn't require children.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 17:05:13 GMT
It is my theory that the procreative pressures effect taboos that are deeply ingrained. Should that societal mindset become reversed, and we start considering having multiple children or any children at al amoral, as it is destroying the world, the non-procreative relationships will become something most will consider ideal and will aspire to. Conceptually, that will remove any pre- conditioned impetus on attraction being guided by gender. I feel that it will very likely result in increase in the expressed and acted upon same-gender attraction. That's what I think, nonsense maybe. But well, I do sort of hope this happens, either that, or we have to colonize Mars. But we are not investing in that heavily enough, and what is done currently, following the old dogmas is catastrophic and terrible. It is my theory that there is a secret Nazi base on Saturn's moon Titan that is plotting to destroy the modern world as we know it and usher in a 10,000yr 4th Reich. both of our theories have about equal validity Your suggestion would be an example of a dogmatic solution relying on a technological capabilities that are out of reach as far as I know. Changes in the societal mindset however are more realistic, and can occur fairly swiftly. Our views are drastically different from only 70 years ago let alone 100.
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Post by Crim on Mar 3, 2017 17:05:43 GMT
LOUD NOISES!!! Ahem, new vid guys...
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 17:07:16 GMT
I thought the general consensus is that you are born with an inherent sexuality, gay or straight, bisexual, pansexual etc. External factors do not change a person's sexuality or those who think "pray to be free of gay" would succeed. Who you are attracted to in codified in your DNA or isnt this what the lgbt community have being fighting for for decades. Somebody saying removing societies preconceived notions with change my sexuality is repugnant and ludicrous. Never argued that people can change their sexuality. My argument was that various factors can cause more LGBT people to be born and for there to be less closeted LGBT people. I never argued that it's a choice or something anyone can "convert."
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 17:08:34 GMT
LOUD NOISES!!! Ahem, new vid guys... I was kind of hoping for a minute there that with the talking about planets, we'd see/hear Suvi giving advice, but I guess not. Interesting shots with the Angara woman. I wonder if she's one of the flirtations or one-night-stands they keep going on about?
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Post by Dirk on Mar 3, 2017 17:08:52 GMT
LOUD NOISES!!! Ahem, new vid guys... The environment looks so good. I'm excited. I wonder if that female angara is an LI.
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Post by naychan on Mar 3, 2017 17:09:07 GMT
> Realism > fuck with aliens
Realism is most pathetic excuse in this game.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 3, 2017 17:09:20 GMT
LOUD NOISES!!! Ahem, new vid guys... You just saved the thread lol
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 17:09:27 GMT
It is my theory that there is a secret Nazi base on Saturn's moon Titan that is plotting to destroy the modern world as we know it and usher in a 10,000yr 4th Reich. both of our theories have about equal validity Your suggestion would be an example of a dogmatic solution relying on a technological capabilities that are out of reach as far as I know. Changes in the societal mindset however are more realistic, and can occur fairly swiftly. Our views are drastically different from only 70 years ago let alone 100. The majority of human beings, and all animal species that reproduce with male and female differences, have been doing so for about....oh since male and female organisms started being actually recognizable. It is not a social construct that majority of people are born straight and I don't think that the LGBT community at large insists otherwise.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 17:17:30 GMT
Polygamia.pl tester flirted (as Scott) with Vetra, Gil and "Kadara informant" (male form was used for the word): polygamia.pl/mass-effect-andromeda-zapowiedz/Translation: "Recently I wrote about Bioware's cutesy sexual marketing campaign and even during just 3 hours in the game playing as a male I managed to flirt with the Tempest's engineer, Kadara's informant and, so you don't jump to conclusions, also with the Turian from the squad. Yes the banging... I mean romancing will be in high supply, by it definitely won't overshadow other aspects. It's not the space softcore porn one could expect." We know Reyes is on Kadara... And my friend said one of the m/m options is on a planet hub. With Reyes being on a planet hub, I think we can possibly count on him being into men? Can we get back on topic? This is good info, as it points more to Reyes being both potential LI and location, and more details for the Vetramancers.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 3, 2017 17:18:40 GMT
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Post by Panda on Mar 3, 2017 17:18:56 GMT
I'd think that growing society's acceptance would make more people vocally identify as bi- or homosexual at least. I don't think world even modern western one is quite there yet.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 17:19:17 GMT
We know Reyes is on Kadara... And my friend said one of the m/m options is on a planet hub. With Reyes being on a planet hub, I think we can possibly count on him being into men? Can we get back on topic? This is good info, as it points more to Reyes being both potential LI and location, and more details for the Vetramancers. Exactly, and we know Reyes has his own writer. I'm assuming all the major love interests have their own writer, so that could point to him being a full romance.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 3, 2017 17:22:46 GMT
I'd think that growing society's acceptance would make more people vocally identify as bi- or homosexual at least. I don't think world even modern western one is quite there yet. Countries like the Netherlands are very close though and they don't report any massive increase in number of people identyfying as LGBT. 5-7% max in all studies. Mother nature kept the "the gays" in as part of human race for a reason but she's also keeping their numbers at a stable level for a reason.
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Post by Panda on Mar 3, 2017 17:23:49 GMT
That's kind of spoilers I mind, but could you or someone else PM me.. or post to this thread if there is any kind of confirmation- or even tease towards romance options?
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 17:28:19 GMT
Can we get back on topic? This is good info, as it points more to Reyes being both potential LI and location, and more details for the Vetramancers. Exactly, and we know Reyes has his own writer. I'm assuming all the major love interests have their own writer, so that could point to him being a full romance. I'm honestly... happy at that thought. I mean, Miranda was off doing her own thing in ME3, and I still loved that cheerleader. If Reyes or others are well done, extensively created LIs with good and plentiful content, I won't be as annoyed. I still think Jaal or Liam (pref Jaal) should be Bi, but I would love if the NPC LIs are genuine characters.
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