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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 3, 2017 16:16:27 GMT
Indeed. People screaming "UNREALISTIC!!!" at the thought of numerous characters in a video game liking the same sex has always been a completely absurd argument to me. Complain about the lack of LGBT content and you get responses like, "Well, I know it sucks for you, but you have to remember that the devs are striving for realism here!" Meanwhile, Sara is bumping uglies with a purple squid cobra cat man and nobody cares. Since we are still on this idea that "realistic" is not working in games, I will now say something that will make people hate me, but I don't care anymore. Why do you care if there is lgbt in the game? It is "just a game". So in that regard, you should not care anymore about having lgbt npc in the game than having realistic things, because it is "just a game". Some people want npc that are realistic, that does not mean they don't want any lgbt in the game. But the fact that you have to claim that it is "just a game" to put in lgbt in it do not help in any way. Maybe you should stop act as it is a "life and death" matter and realise that it is "just a game". But I start to want Bioware to cut all romance in the games because nobody (no matter what sexuality) is apparently happy about anything! Now, do not respond to this post because I will not care to answer and it will only start a war and that will make the mods annoyed. Umm...I care about LGBT content because I am a part of that group and I want to be represented. Other than that there's really nothing to respond to because your entire rant is basically utter nonsense from beginning to end. Seriously, I'm not even flaming here; I honestly can't make heads or tails of it. If your aim was to break my brain, then congratulations, I suppose.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:16:41 GMT
yeah because BioWare has a great history of marketing.....
*flashesback to DA:O*
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Post by Crim on Mar 3, 2017 16:22:08 GMT
Time to surrender 80% of my social circle. Too gay and unrealistic to exist. Too gay to function, yup.
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Post by Sarayne on Mar 3, 2017 16:22:57 GMT
Time to surrender 80% of my social circle. Too gay and unrealistic to exist. I clearly need more lgbt in my life or it is because I live in the deep south.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 3, 2017 16:23:29 GMT
yeah because BioWare has a great history of marketing..... *flashesback to DA:O* You aren't kidding. Because when I think of Dragon Age, I think of...Marilyn Manson? Real trailer. Edit: Found the correct trailer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 16:23:38 GMT
To be honest, prevalence of bisexuality in the future feels more realistic than the alternative. The cultural shift towards non-procreation to conserve the very limited resources and emphasis on personal happiness points to that.
But, realities aside, the DA2 style relationships for a video game was ideal for me. I hated the female PC voice, but wanted to romance a male. I had a great playthrough, untroubled by the necessity to sacrifice any of my gaming pleasures.
Dai, on the other hand... is an impasse of loving my character, but wanting a romance reserved for another race and gender. I end up in an idiotic situation of a game with tons of romances not having one for me.
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Post by davkar on Mar 3, 2017 16:23:56 GMT
Indeed. People screaming "UNREALISTIC!!!" at the thought of numerous characters in a video game liking the same sex has always been a completely absurd argument to me. Complain about the lack of LGBT content and you get responses like, "Well, I know it sucks for you, but you have to remember that the devs are striving for realism here!" Meanwhile, Sara is bumping uglies with a purple squid cobra cat man and nobody cares. Since we are still on this idea that "realistic" is not working in games, I will now say something that will make people hate me, but I don't care anymore. Why do you care if there is lgbt in the game? It is "just a game". So in that regard, you should not care anymore about having lgbt npc in the game than having realistic things, because it is "just a game". Some people want npc that are realistic, that does not mean they don't want any lgbt in the game. But the fact that you have to claim that it is "just a game" to put in lgbt in it do not help in any way. Maybe you should stop act as it is a "life and death" matter and realise that it is "just a game". But I start to want Bioware to cut all romance in the games because nobody (no matter what sexuality) is apparently happy about anything! Now, do not respond to this post because I will not care to answer and it will only start a war and that will make the mods annoyed. Yeah! No *genitals* for anyone, just friendships! Give us Varrics, Avelines and Garruses! Everybody liked them. Heck, even make the new protagonist a psychiatrist. I like helping the companions/squadmates. They can even keep the daddy issues, I'll just solve them without the 'need'/option to bang them afterwards.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:25:08 GMT
To be honest, prevalence of bisexuality in the future feels more realistic than the alternative. The cultural shift towards non-procreation to conserve the very limited resources and emphasis on personal happiness points to that. But, realities aside, the DA2 style relationships for a video game was ideal for me. I hated the female PC voice, but wanted to romance a male. I had a great playthrough, untroubled by the necessity to sacrifice any of my gaming pleasures. so more people will be bi, because of resources and personal happiness? In a universe filled with virtually empty planets to settle....
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 3, 2017 16:28:45 GMT
Time to surrender 80% of my social circle. Too gay and unrealistic to exist. I clearly need more lgbt in my life or it is because I live in the deep south. I feel you. I live in Texas. Stealthiness is a survival mechanism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 16:30:00 GMT
To be honest, prevalence of bisexuality in the future feels more realistic than the alternative. The cultural shift towards non-procreation to conserve the very limited resources and emphasis on personal happiness points to that. But, realities aside, the DA2 style relationships for a video game was ideal for me. I hated the female PC voice, but wanted to romance a male. I had a great playthrough, untroubled by the necessity to sacrifice any of my gaming pleasures. so more people will be bi, because of resources and personal happiness? In a universe filled with virtually empty planets to settle.... Mmgh, I said reality, and in reality, we have exceeded the only planet's available to us carrying capacity. There are ways to address it, and a major one is changes in the societal views without sacrificing the need for personal happiness. Sexual taboos are a pragmatic response to discontinuities of populations. If they were removed from our cultural experience and mindset, who knows who we would fall in love with and why.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 16:30:03 GMT
Is it just me or has the same discussion been going on for 100+ pages now? Bioware tries to make realistic people ...aaaaannnd you lost me. Tell me, what's so unrealistic about having a group that contains many bisexual and gay people? And if you're insistent that that's too brain-exploding to comprehend, let's not ignore the fact that this is a freaking VIDEO GAME that's unabashedly chock-full of unrealistic elements. Why does that have to stop at romance? That is so not what I said. They have stated that it is their reason for not making their characters attracted to Ryder no matter what. And the word realistic was used by Bioware, which is why I used it. If you read it again you'll also see that I said that I thought they should make them romanceable by both gender. My entire point was that people bitch no matter what - which this entire thread seems to be a brilliant example of.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 16:30:33 GMT
To be honest, prevalence of bisexuality in the future feels more realistic than the alternative. The cultural shift towards non-procreation to conserve the very limited resources and emphasis on personal happiness points to that. But, realities aside, the DA2 style relationships for a video game was ideal for me. I hated the female PC voice, but wanted to romance a male. I had a great playthrough, untroubled by the necessity to sacrifice any of my gaming pleasures. Dai, on the other hand... is an impasse of loving my character, but wanting a romance reserved for another race and gender. I end up in an idiotic situation of a game with tons of romances not having one for me. I'd be totally fine with a lot of bi characters, especially ones in prominent roles. Some gay squadmates would be great, too. Time to surrender 80% of my social circle. Too gay and unrealistic to exist. I clearly need more lgbt in my life or it is because I live in the deep south. It's probably a deep south thing. I live in a very big city in California, so there's generally a lot less backlash when you come out, since it's a pretty liberal area.
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Post by Panda on Mar 3, 2017 16:31:22 GMT
I personally think that scifi and games in general have their own set of rules that bring realism within the universe. That's why people weren't happy about some squaddies not having helmets on toxic or radiated planets. I don't think LGBT+ LIs are against ME's lore and world building.
What comes IRL realism, well people live in different places and hang around with different people. Some might not know any LGBT+ people, some might mostly know LGBT+ people. Same with other things like race and ethnicity, personality, gender etc. Game can't reflect "reality" of every player.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:33:26 GMT
so more people will be bi, because of resources and personal happiness? In a universe filled with virtually empty planets to settle.... Mmgh, I said reality, and in reality, we have exceeded the only planet's available to us carrying capacity. There are ways to address it, and a major one is changes in the societal views without sacrificing the need for personal happiness. People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 16:36:30 GMT
Mmgh, I said reality, and in reality, we have exceeded the only planet's available to us carrying capacity. There are ways to address it, and a major one is changes in the societal views without sacrificing the need for personal happiness. People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. .... You went from A to Q...
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Post by Crim on Mar 3, 2017 16:37:52 GMT
Indeed. People screaming "UNREALISTIC!!!" at the thought of numerous characters in a video game liking the same sex has always been a completely absurd argument to me. Complain about the lack of LGBT content and you get responses like, "Well, I know it sucks for you, but you have to remember that the devs are striving for realism here!" Meanwhile, Sara is bumping uglies with a purple squid cobra cat man and nobody cares. Since we are still on this idea that "realistic" is not working in games, I will now say something that will make people hate me, but I don't care anymore. Why do you care if there is lgbt in the game? It is "just a game". So in that regard, you should not care anymore about having lgbt npc in the game than having realistic things, because it is "just a game". Some people want npc that are realistic, that does not mean they don't want any lgbt in the game. But the fact that you have to claim that it is "just a game" to put in lgbt in it do not help in any way. Maybe you should stop act as it is a "life and death" matter and realise that it is "just a game". But I start to want Bioware to cut all romance in the games because nobody (no matter what sexuality) is apparently happy about anything! Now, do not respond to this post because I will not care to answer and it will only start a war and that will make the mods annoyed.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:38:47 GMT
People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. .... You went from A to Q... they're similar situations of stress on populations that do not create more non-heterosexual people
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 16:39:06 GMT
Mmgh, I said reality, and in reality, we have exceeded the only planet's available to us carrying capacity. There are ways to address it, and a major one is changes in the societal views without sacrificing the need for personal happiness. People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. The discontinuity of the populations lead to pressures to place taboos on non-procreative sexuality. When societies were concerned with the carrying capacity, and had to control birtrates rather than increase them to compensate for the threat of extinction, taboos were lessened. If the societal and cultural ideals and taboos where different, who knows who and why every individual would have come to love. I wonder... If we reverse the taboo, and start as a society think it immoral to have more than one or any children at all, because we are destroying the world, non-procreative relationships will eventually become the aspiration, like the asexual ideals of the romanticized courtly love period. This will remove relevancy of gender in feeling attraction.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:42:49 GMT
People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. The discontinuity of the populations lead to pressures to place taboos on non-procreative sexuality. When societies were concerned with the carrying capacity, and had to control birtrates rather than increase them to compensate for the threat of extinction, taboos were lessened. If the societal and cultural ideals and taboos where different, who knows who and why every individual would have come to love. I wonder... So your argument, as I understand it, is that its because social taboos that more people identify as straight in the modern day? What utter nonsense.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 3, 2017 16:43:48 GMT
Polygamia.pl tester flirted (as Scott) with Vetra, Gil and "Kadara informant" (male form was used for the word): polygamia.pl/mass-effect-andromeda-zapowiedz/Translation: "Recently I wrote about Bioware's cutesy sexual marketing campaign and even during just 3 hours in the game playing as a male I managed to flirt with the Tempest's engineer, Kadara's informant and, so you don't jump to conclusions, also with the Turian from the squad. Yes the banging... I mean romancing will be in high supply, by it definitely won't overshadow other aspects. It's not the space softcore porn one could expect."
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 3, 2017 16:43:55 GMT
Mmgh, I said reality, and in reality, we have exceeded the only planet's available to us carrying capacity. There are ways to address it, and a major one is changes in the societal views without sacrificing the need for personal happiness. People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. Wait, I'm...lost. I think the argument here should be that in a world where prejudice among humans is at a low, among other things there will be significantly more LGBT people being completely open about themselves.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 16:46:01 GMT
Mmgh, I said reality, and in reality, we have exceeded the only planet's available to us carrying capacity. There are ways to address it, and a major one is changes in the societal views without sacrificing the need for personal happiness. People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. Those can affect cultural norms, though, which can result in less people coming out of the closet. As for the births of LGBT people, there are several theories. Some people even say it's linked to stress hormones in the womb, and, well, people are gonna be pretty damn stressed when there's war, famine, plague (they link to the study in the artcle). There could also be an obvious evolutionary benefit to it, assuming that there is overpopulation and/or issues where one or more parents are unavailable to help care for kids. In general, we don't know exactly what causes this, so it's not like we can say those things are never factors in more LGBT people being born or being out of the closet.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 3, 2017 16:47:59 GMT
People aren't going to suddenly start changing their sexual preferences because we're out of resources. Famines, plagues, and war don't lead to an uptick in non-heterosexual people. Wait, I'm...lost. I think the argument here should be that in a world where prejudice among humans is at a low, among other things there will be significantly more LGBT people being completely open about themselves. that's not what I'm getting. More that the break down in taboos and increase in resource stress will mean more people identify as bisexual to prevent resource use while maintaining happiness. Both arguments are of course ridiculous. I agree there is some merit in the idea that there are more LGBT people who do not come out, but I do not agree that there will be an increase in the overall % of the population that is LGBT because of resources or social taboos. If social taboos were enough to change sexuality then I'd wonder why there are LGBT people in areas that criminalize it, some that even make it a capital offense, leading me to believe that society plays little role in determining if someone is LGBT or not.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 3, 2017 16:49:48 GMT
Polygamia.pl tester flirted (as Scott) with Vetra, Gil and "Kadara informant" (male form was used for the word): polygamia.pl/mass-effect-andromeda-zapowiedz/Translation: "Recently I wrote about Bioware's cutesy sexual marketing campaign and even during just 3 hours in the game playing as a male I managed to flirt with the Tempest's engineer, Kadara's informant and, so you don't jump to conclusions, also with the Turian from the squad. Yes the banging... I mean romancing will be plenty in high supply, by it definitely won't overshadow other aspects. It's not the space softcore porn one could expect." Thank you for this new info. Finally someone who plays Scott and flirts with male characters. I wonder if this "Karada informant" is Reyes. The speculation continues.
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