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Post by Kimberly on Mar 4, 2017 1:22:19 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates is bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:23:20 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:23:26 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates as bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care? ME has never done it before. Kaidan was a demand and Jaal's writer being bi Kaidan's also fueled things.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 1:23:29 GMT
Let me know if you do get one? I'll friend code you so hard, it'll bruise your mailbox. ❤ Of course! Tho that may be a looong shot. While Dorian's romance can potentially break your heart it looks like his romance will carry over into DA4. There were very strong hints that The Inquisitor may play a role in upcoming games, even if they aren't returning as a playable character. And Dorian has been cemented as part of the overreaching story and will no doubt be featured when we go to Tevinter. So Dorian's romance, while we may not be actively involved in it, will traverse games, just as Solas' and Lavellan's may. Morrigan and Leliana's romance with the Warden didn't exactly carry over as the Warden was absent but I personally consider it to be romance content. An echo if you will. The same with Hawke and their romance. Every romance from DAO but Zevran was "an echo" (Zev, out of them all, is actually with warden), but they all hope for a reunion. It's hard to bring Gray Warden back since they had no voice, 3 race options and tons of possible outcomes. So, maybe in DA4 we'll get a letter with Leliana/Morri/Alistair's reunion with them if they are not present in game? And to think about Hawke, I wouldn't drag my loved one with me too in that situation (and Hawke actually has well-reasoned explanation for every LI). But it is mentioned that they are still together and happy. I really don't know what to think about DA4 at this point. Everything they revealed so far seems to be about Tevinter, and Dorian looks like an important person there by the end of Trespasser. Considering they need to include options for: a) Dorian with no romance and no Bull; Dorian with Inquisitior; c) Dorian with Bull... Too much work. Probably another letter, or 1-quest-screentime for the inquisitor. Or a mere mention. And that's me being optimistic. There were no actual hints of Inquisitor being present in-game, only overreaching about their maybes. There are inquisitors who are living happily in Antiva with Josie, who are living simple life with Cullen. There was an option to say "nope outta here, I'm too tired, never again" at the end. It will be hard to bring them back as a character, way harder than Hawke, who ultimately had one ending. Easier than warden, but still. I think that regardless of the Inquisitor's romance or specific location during the epilogue Trespasser confirmed that at some point in the future He/She/They will make an effort to stop Solas. It was made very obvious to me at least that at some point the Inquisitor and their forces will make their way to Tevinter and playable characters or no this will open up the opportunity for various reunions. I also think that DA4 will take place not only in Tevinter but in the neighboring Anderfels as well. If Hawke is still there and involved in whatever the mess the Wardens have cooked up this opens up the opportunity for DA2 romance reunions as well. Several quotes from Varric in DA:I gave me a very strong impression that this is where the story is headed. The lack of a voice actor has never been a legitimate reason for the Warden to not return in my opinion. Anyway I hope that some of this happens over the course of the next few games.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 4, 2017 1:23:46 GMT
I think what it comes down to is, gay and bi men are the only ones who have yet to have an alien romance option on the squad. When Jaal was announced, it just seemed so obvious, like, such a perfect opportunity for him to be bi, so straight women can enjoy another alien romance, but also so gay and bi men can experience for the first time an alien romance on the same level as everybody else. Not to mention Jaal is angara, a brand new species where the writers really didn't have to make it too much of a stretch for Jaal to bi. In all honesty, it seems more of a stretch or a creative liberty IMO to make Jaal have a preference for a male or female human. Yep. If Jaal is straight, I will be very curious of what bullshit reason Bioware can come up with to justify that.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 4, 2017 1:24:47 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates as bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care? ME has never done it before. Kaidan was a demand and Jaal's writer being bi Kaidan's also fueled things. Well, they did. In the first two games, there were no m/m romances.
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Post by Kimberly on Mar 4, 2017 1:24:55 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates as bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care? ME has never done it before. Kaidan was a demand and Jaal's writer being bi Kaidan's also fueled things. Their track record is horrible. I thought they would have gotten better.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 4, 2017 1:25:21 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives u guys some hope Ahh how to deflect the question 101. lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:27:42 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives u guys some hope Ahh how to deflect the question 101. lol At least it implies they'll be about as satisfying (at least in his opinion). Anyways new romance info (kinda) so...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:30:07 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances. The thing is, ME never had a gay squadmate before (Kaidan came later and was a fan demand), but DA had many bi and one gay option, so I think people are confusing the teams. If ME had done this before and stopped, I'd say, yeah, why? But in reality this is no different. Do I think they should have taken a leap and did it? Absolutely! But they are sticking with what we know. And yes, months ago they bragged about non-squad romances being great and I doubt they are lying. Problem is they are missing what people want. A squadmate to romance and take everywhere with them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:31:37 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances. The thing is, ME never had a gay squadmate before (Kaidan came later and was a fan demand), but DA had many bi and one gay option, so I think people are confusing the teams. If ME had done this before and stopped, I'd say, yeah, why? But in reality this is no different. Do I think they should have taken a leap and did it? Absolutely! But they are sticking with what we know. And yes, months ago they bragged about non-squad romances being great and I doubt they are lying. Problem is they are missing what people want. A squadmate to romance and take everywhere with them. *elbows @beautesombre * trying to add some positivity here
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Post by Artemis on Mar 4, 2017 1:32:46 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances. Well I suppose there is some hope here; I can't see any dev forcing themselves to lie through their teeth and say Cortez and/or Traynor were favorites lol Do I really think Gil or Suvi is his favorite, nah, but he's doing damage control for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:32:51 GMT
The thing is, ME never had a gay squadmate before (Kaidan came later and was a fan demand), but DA had many bi and one gay option, so I think people are confusing the teams. If ME had done this before and stopped, I'd say, yeah, why? But in reality this is no different. Do I think they should have taken a leap and did it? Absolutely! But they are sticking with what we know. And yes, months ago they bragged about non-squad romances being great and I doubt they are lying. Problem is they are missing what people want. A squadmate to romance and take everywhere with them. *elbows @beautesombre * trying to add some positivity here I know and I am trying to add reality because high exceptions have broken so many hearts I am mending in PM's.
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Post by ash on Mar 4, 2017 1:33:48 GMT
Bi Vetra leak appeared around the same time as bi Jaal. They just assembled all things together. Also, it has Lexi as a lesbian romance, while she's clearly not (unless she prefers big old male krogan, but when it comes to Ryders she is only into Sara, which would be as much bullshit, as non-bi Jaal... but who knows, if Jaal is straight, we can have that too). Also, would be freakin' funny if that female angara swings both ways. If she does, I'm gonna buy a ticket and tell somebody at Bioware what I think about them face to face. The Jaal leak is on page 2 of this thread, same day he was revealed. That's when it all went crazy. I know, I'm talking about it appearing at the same time, not in the same place. Bi Vetra was leaked by somebody on tumblr (n-n-not the one on the screenshot, however, s/he had a different tumblr outlay), and, as far as I can remember, along with bi Jaal. Not being connected to this thread and having another source on both of them (friend of user who posted bi-Vetra and bi-Jaal leak, if I remember correctly?). Honestly, I just wish that my first impression about devbuilds was right. Like, when you do a project that big and having that amount of secrecy if you are a smart dev, you want to have different builds. In case of Andromeda (and in some perfect world, probably), that should look like... Step 1: Bioware does build with Jaal as a companion but without any option for Scott to initially flirt with him and initiate the relationship and gives it to devteam A. Step 2: Bioware does build with Jaal as a companion but without any option for Sara to initially flirt with him and initiate the relationship and gives it to devteam B. Step 3: Bioware does build with Jaal as a companion and with both options present and gives it to devteam C. Step 4: ??? Step 5: PROFIT Of course, this won't be the only thing in those builds that is different, but you got the system. Or, at least, this is how it was done back at my work. Usually helps at keeping secrecy (and tracking down which team leaked stuff, if said stuff is quite specific and only present in one build). And this also can confuse peeps who aren't testing said builds and are just overhearing things. Guy from devteam A goes to a bathroom and discusses how that Sara/Jaal romance is perfect and he's sad that there's no Scott/Jaal while person overhearing things won't know the context "because it's not in out build". But now my hope is lost, tbh. I have no idea if Bio uses that way of making people to not go against NDA and doing secret things. We did, but we are not Bioware. Tons of studios did, but they are not Bioware.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 4, 2017 1:34:18 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances. but...but... he didn't even answer the question? Him saying, yes would have spoiled literally nothing so? hmmm
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:36:32 GMT
The Jaal leak is on page 2 of this thread, same day he was revealed. That's when it all went crazy. I know, I'm talking about it appearing at the same time, not in the same place. Bi Vetra was leaked by somebody on tumblr (n-n-not the one on the screenshot, however, s/he had a different tumblr outlay), and, as far as I can remember, along with bi Jaal. Not being connected to this thread and having another source on both of them (friend of user who posted bi-Vetra and bi-Jaal leak, if I remember correctly?). Honestly, I just with that my first impression about devbuilds was right. Like, when you do a project that big and having that amount of secrecy if you are a smart dev, you want to have different builds. In case of Andromeda (and in some perfect world, probably), that should look like... Step 1: Bioware does build with Jaal as a companion but without any option for Scott to initially flirt with him and initiate the relationship and gives it to devteam A. Step 2: Bioware does build with Jaal as a companion but without any option for Sara to initially flirt with him and initiate the relationship and gives it to devteam B. Step 3: Bioware does build with Jaal as a companion and with both options present and gives it to devteam C. Step 4: ??? Step 5: PROFIT Of course, this won't be the only thing in those builds that is different, but you got the system. Or, at least, this is how it was done back at my work. Usually helps at keeping secrecy (and tracking down which team leaked stuff, if said stuff is quite specific and only present in one build). And this also can confuse peeps who aren't testing said builds and are just overhearing things. Guy from devteam A goes to a bathroom and discusses how that Sara/Jaal romance is perfect and he's sad that there's no Scott/Jaal while person overhearing things won't know the context "because it's not in out build". But now my hope is lost, tbh. I have no idea if Bio uses that way of making people to not go against NDA and doing secret things. We did, but we are not Bioware. Tons of studios did, but they are not Bioware. Let's face it, they went about everything wrong. If they just would have told people who romances who, none of this shit would have happened.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:41:07 GMT
well...I tried. too many negative vibes in this thread for me. Think I'll wait till the romance data mine stuff gets released then come back.
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Post by ash on Mar 4, 2017 1:41:24 GMT
Let's face it, they went about everything wrong. If they just would have told people who romances who, none of this shit would have happened. They did. But, aside from "EA making them do so", there can be 2 possible reasons they are so tight-lipped about romances. 1) There is a gay paradise and Liam and Jaal are bi, so some crybabies will whine about not wanting them in their squad. 2) There are no m/m squad romances and others are garbage. Considering nobody now really cares about crybabies, but Bioware is "so progressive" and "so LGBT-friendly" (to the point of forgetting G, not to say about T in ME series) and the 2nd option can actually hurt that precious "progressive" status... Guess what.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:41:50 GMT
well...I tried. too many negative vibes in this thread for me. Think I'll wait till the romance data mine stuff gets released then come back. If it helps, I refuse to accept Jaal isn't bi until someone shoves the guide in my face. ash let 1 be true!
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Post by Dirk on Mar 4, 2017 1:42:58 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances. but...but... he didn't even answer the question? Him saying, yes would have spoiled literally nothing so? hmmm Bioware dodging romance questions be like Seriously I am quite impressed by their ability to avoid saying yes or no.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 4, 2017 1:44:16 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates is bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care? This is why I'm holding out on hope. Bioware has been paying attention to their fan base and they KNOW that there would be backlash if they were biased in their Squadmate romance diversity. More so if the options were any less than in previous games. I hope they would have stepped forward on the issue but I honestly find it hard to believe that they would have stepped back. Like others have said nothing is 100% yet. We shall see. As to the devs handling of the situation? Fucked. Perhaps marketing has the bulk of the blame here but the manner in which they responded or didn't to one specific fan base is simply galling especially in the context of the #verygoodbanging or whatever hashtag. Not forgetting that anytime soon.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 4, 2017 1:46:19 GMT
well...I tried. too many negative vibes in this thread for me. Think I'll wait till the romance data mine stuff gets released then come back. If it helps, I refuse to accept Jaal isn't bi until someone shoves the guide in my face. ash let 1 be true! Yeah. People are taking one leak out of god knows how many to be the gospel truth. We have nooooo idea if he's into dudes. He could very well be, and I hope he is. But we don't know.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 4, 2017 1:47:25 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates is bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care? This is why I'm holding out on hope. Bioware has been paying attention to their fan base and they KNOW that there would be backlash if they were biased in their Squadmate romance diversity. More so if the options were any less than in previous games. I hope they would have stepped forward on the issue but I honestly find it hard to believe that they would have stepped back. Like others have said nothing is 100% yet. We shall see. As to the devs handling of the situation? Fucked. Perhaps marketing has the bulk of the blame here but the manner in which they responded or didn't to one specific fan base is simply galling especially in the context of the #verygoodbanging or whatever hashtag. Not forgetting that anytime soon. Yeah I'll admit #prettygoodbanging got me really excited, and not for the sex part. I just thought, there's bound to be one I like if sooo many people can be romanced and if the devs all think the romances are awesome! Booo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:49:22 GMT
Despite what has been said, my stupid brain is looking at it like this:
m/m relationships are sealed lips, so is ANYTHING on Jaal (bio-wise) and Liam as a romance. That's why I am waiting.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 4, 2017 1:49:26 GMT
Seriously I am quite impressed by their ability to avoid saying yes or no. I genuinely don't think they're being malicious, I have to believe they're being told to keep quiet.
also Keanu Reeves is really cute, Keanu for M/M LI ME5
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