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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 4, 2017 1:49:56 GMT
This is why I'm holding out on hope. Bioware has been paying attention to their fan base and they KNOW that there would be backlash if they were biased in their Squadmate romance diversity. More so if the options were any less than in previous games. I hope they would have stepped forward on the issue but I honestly find it hard to believe that they would have stepped back. Like others have said nothing is 100% yet. We shall see. As to the devs handling of the situation? Fucked. Perhaps marketing has the bulk of the blame here but the manner in which they responded or didn't to one specific fan base is simply galling especially in the context of the #verygoodbanging or whatever hashtag. Not forgetting that anytime soon. Yeah I'll admit #prettygoodbanging got me really excited, and not for the sex part. I just thought, there's bound to be one I like if sooo many people can be romanced and if the devs all think the romances are awesome! Booo. To be fair to you, it's not like we're going to assume they mean one night stands when they talk about these relationships and variety of relationships. Bioware hasn't done all that many one-night-stand type stuff in years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:55:00 GMT
I'm still holding out hope for 1 of the male squadmates is bi. It just seems unbelievable to me that they would leave out gay men from romancing a squadmate. If this is the case, did they not think they wouldn't get backlash. Did they not care? This is why I'm holding out on hope. Bioware has been paying attention to their fan base and they KNOW that there would be backlash if they were biased in their Squadmate romance diversity. More so if the options were any less than in previous games. I hope they would have stepped forward on the issue but I honestly find it hard to believe that they would have stepped back. Like others have said nothing is 100% yet. We shall see. As to the devs handling of the situation? Fucked. Perhaps marketing has the bulk of the blame here but the manner in which they responded or didn't to one specific fan base is simply galling especially in the context of the #verygoodbanging or whatever hashtag. Not forgetting that anytime soon. Yeah I too have a bit of hope at least one is bi. I STRONGLY prefer Liam over Jaal but I'll join the Jaal love train if he does turn out bi. Zero chance either of them are gay after what Tom and Mac said.
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Post by zaefkol on Mar 4, 2017 1:56:57 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances. Q: We were wondering, for your bake sale tomorrow, how much apple pie will be available? Will there be as much as other types of pie?
A: Some of my favorite pies are apple.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2017 2:05:57 GMT
I hope this question I asked gives you guys some hope He won't reveal exact stuff so this is probably the best we're going to get on non squad romances. Yeah, any further details he says will need to be gotten from either buying the strategy guide or asking around on the Internet after the game releases. Here's hoping for the character I want to be available and be the kind of romance I want.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 4, 2017 2:18:26 GMT
The insistence on waiting til the game comes out to say anything concrete is silly. The only reasons I can think of are: 1) Money. They want people to buy their product, and plenty of people won't buy it if they know ahead of time they're going to be disappointed by their (lack of) options. 2) "Artistic integrity" and wanting us to experience rejection the game first-hand, because that's fun. It's extra ridiculous because we're all going to find out from each other anyway, so this is a bunch of pointless... catfishing, or something. As if anyone wants to pin their hopes on or waste their time pursuing someone they can't have. Alright, that's my last negative vent. I'm still cautiously optimistic that we'll get a bi male squaddie in addition to AT LEAST one quality Tempest romance for the m/m players, and Vetra for myself 'cause I'm turian trash.
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Post by Kimberly on Mar 4, 2017 2:21:58 GMT
So does anyone think we'll have anything revealed in early access. Since both Ryder's can flirt with most of the squad, 10 hours early access doesn't seem enough time. I'm not a genius w/computers though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2017 2:22:51 GMT
So does anyone think we'll have anything revealed in early access. Since both Ryder's can flirt with most of the squad, 10 hours early access doesn't seem enough time. I'm not a genius w/computers though. From the early access itself, no. From dataminers who use the early access, possibly.
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 4, 2017 2:25:39 GMT
As others have noted, it would be extremely strange for them to go backwards, plus this run around is all on the marketing department. It would be monumentally stupid, even considering the ending fiasco, to think anyone would be happy going from being given one m/m option in the squad itself to being restricted to NPCs. And yes, Kaidan does count. Claiming he doesn't just because his bisexuality wasn't known until later or because it's something that the fans pushed for is bi erasure.
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 4, 2017 2:25:49 GMT
Credit where it's due, there were attempts to get major M/M relationships into ME 1 & 2, most notably with Kaidan and Thane, respectively. Data mined information proves it.
I have to wonder where exactly down the chain of command that it gets stopped.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 4, 2017 2:28:04 GMT
Seriously I am quite impressed by their ability to avoid saying yes or no. I genuinely don't think they're being malicious, I have to believe they're being told to keep quiet.
also Keanu Reeves is really cute, Keanu for M/M LI ME5
Considering all the teasing they've done (and probably still do) it's pretty darn insensitive even if not malicious if it turns out people interested don't have a chance.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 4, 2017 2:33:14 GMT
I genuinely don't think they're being malicious, I have to believe they're being told to keep quiet.
also Keanu Reeves is really cute, Keanu for M/M LI ME5
Considering all the teasing they've done (and probably still do) it's pretty darn insensitive even if not malicious if it turns out people interested don't have a chance. Yeah I was just trying to be sickeningly positive, it doesn't work. Bioware is mean!
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Post by cespar on Mar 4, 2017 2:35:56 GMT
First, none of the sexualities has been confirmed for any of the characters that are being teased, so I don't know where you're getting the assumption that it has to be m/f or f/f. The people who are asking about m/m wants to know which characters that are available to them. Teasing about sexy time doesn't equal their gender preference. Second, the last game that came out had some great NPCs with some really good romance arc. Plus, if I remember correctly, M/f and F/f had one companion romance while M/m had two of them. With F/m having the most romance available as companion. Bioware has already stated countless time that the NPCs onboard the Tempest have just as content as the Squad member. Even some of the articles that came out praised the Npc onboard the Tempest. But, you guys are all adults with mind of y'all own. Keep thinking Bioware is personally attacking you, when they've been making LGBT characters just as important as the straight characters. Companion wise, Still hope you guys can at least get Jaal. I feel like I keep coming back to this point in this thread, and because I have responded to it multiple times, I feel that I have enough experience talking about the issue to try to simplify and clarify my position here.
When considering romance content, there is a difference between quantity, quality, and kind. NPC romances can have the same quantity of content as squad romances. NPC romances can have the same quality of content as squad romances. But NPC romances cannot have the same kind of content as squad romances.
As has been said before, there are certain kinds of events and interactions that can only take place in the field, and there is a certain level of depth of relationship that can only be developed through the constant contact that being a member of the squad can provide. Banter, reactions, and the sheer force of physical presence are, with few and limited exceptions, within the sole domain of squadmates, and, as such, can only be used as tools to develop a romantic arc with those squadmates. NPCs might get a few lines of dialogue spoken in the player's ear sprinkled throughout the game, but there is simply no comparison between the weight of interaction that NPCs have in the field when held against squadmates.
I hope that everyone gets at least one squad romance option. I hope the pessimism that I've seen in this thread turns out to be unwarranted. I want everyone to be fairly treated, and I want everyone to be happy with what the game presents them.
But the reality is that the marketing and developer comments have not come across as understanding of the concerns that have been raised in this thread. It took us two full games of drought before m/m options were even a possibility for Shepard, and while it would be disappointing if there was no m/m option for Ryder on the squad in Andromeda, it would not be a surprise.
Okay, now... /rant off
That was a bit longer than I expected. Time for happy hopeful thoughts.
I'm sorry you're keep repeating yourself, but I haven't followed everything going on in the forums. I don't believe that NPCs can't not have the same content as squad, especially going by the last game. ME3 didn't get it right, but DAI improved on it. Some of the people from Inquisition has moved over to work on Andromeda. Umm Mass Effect never had much banter to begin with unlike Dragon Age. The banter we did have in Mass Effect took place mostly on the ship, which had NPCs presented during those. Those romance with NPCs on the ship will constantly have to worry about if Ryder will return from those planets or not. For the physical presence part, I don't think people have to be close to the person they like 24/7 for them to build a relationship. I want everyone to get at least one squad romance option too, but that doesn't mean everyone will be treated fairly. Now if Bioware did 2/2/2, it would be treated fair and equal, but past games has shown that they don't really care about that. Mass Effect has been slow in the m/m department, but hopefully they grow from that and not go backwards.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 4, 2017 2:37:32 GMT
Seriously I am quite impressed by their ability to avoid saying yes or no. I genuinely don't think they're being malicious, I have to believe they're being told to keep quiet.
also Keanu Reeves is really cute, Keanu for M/M LI ME5
I strongly believe that they are not malicious. I guess that it's probably the higher up in EA that told them to keep quiet. On unrelated note:
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Post by cespar on Mar 4, 2017 2:42:46 GMT
But, you guys are all adults with mind of y'all own. Keep thinking Bioware is personally attacking you, when they've been making LGBT characters just as important as the straight characters. Companion wise, Still hope you guys can at least get Jaal. Ashley, Kaidan (ME1), Miranda, Garrus, Alistair, Morrigan, Solas and Cass disagree with you on this. Liara is the only one who is a exception but she is a blue-skinned space babe created without lesbians in mind. I'm really thankful for Bioware, is the only company that is truly LGBTQ friendly, but that is not gonna stop me to criticize them when they do things wrong, like their marketing strategy for this game. But hey! If we are not getting any squadmate in this game, you won't get any in the next and we can call it a tie, since it's not a big deal right? :sure: Some of those characters can die, so if they were really that important, they would be protected by plot armor. If Liara were created without Lesbians in mind, she wouldn't have been romanceable by ladies. Plus, lesbians can like hot chicks just as dudes can. People had the same thought about Josephine. They thought she was designed for males in mind. It like people was complaining about all of the bisexual characters being promiscuous, but when they make Liara or Josephine, they don't seem like bisexual characters.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 4, 2017 2:50:23 GMT
Ashley, Kaidan (ME1), Miranda, Garrus, Alistair, Morrigan, Solas and Cass disagree with you on this. Liara is the only one who is a exception but she is a blue-skinned space babe created without lesbians in mind. I'm really thankful for Bioware, is the only company that is truly LGBTQ friendly, but that is not gonna stop me to criticize them when they do things wrong, like their marketing strategy for this game. But hey! If we are not getting any squadmate in this game, you won't get any in the next and we can call it a tie, since it's not a big deal right? :sure: Some of those characters can die, so if they were really that important, they would be protected by plot armor. If Liara were created without Lesbians in mind, she wouldn't have been romanceable by ladies. Plus, lesbians can like hot chicks just as dudes can. People had the same thought about Josephine. They thought she was designed for males in mind. It like people was complaining about all of the bisexual characters being promiscuous, but when they make Liara or Josephine, they don't seem like bisexual characters. If you don't get why lesbians and bi women consider the asari to be catering to men... Then, you obviously aren't aware of us talking about men who fetishize lesbians? Oftentimes, a lot of lesbian content ends up catering to them way more than actual lesbians. There's a reason a lot of LGBT women really really don't want another asari love interest.
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Post by cespar on Mar 4, 2017 3:01:03 GMT
Some of those characters can die, so if they were really that important, they would be protected by plot armor. If Liara were created without Lesbians in mind, she wouldn't have been romanceable by ladies. Plus, lesbians can like hot chicks just as dudes can. People had the same thought about Josephine. They thought she was designed for males in mind. It like people was complaining about all of the bisexual characters being promiscuous, but when they make Liara or Josephine, they don't seem like bisexual characters. If you don't get why lesbians and bi women consider the asari to be catering to men... Then, you obviously aren't aware of us talking about men who fetishize lesbians? Oftentimes, a lot of lesbian content ends up catering to them way more than actual lesbians. There's a reason a lot of LGBT women really really don't want another asari love interest. Are you speaking for all bi and lesbians women? If we're talking about men that has fetishes for lesbians, then we also need to talk about women having fetishes for gay males. Also, I want to know exactly how Female Shep/Liara catered to men?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 4, 2017 3:09:53 GMT
If you don't get why lesbians and bi women consider the asari to be catering to men... Then, you obviously aren't aware of us talking about men who fetishize lesbians? Oftentimes, a lot of lesbian content ends up catering to them way more than actual lesbians. There's a reason a lot of LGBT women really really don't want another asari love interest. Are you speaking for all bi and lesbians women? If we're talking about men that has fetishes for lesbians, then we also need to talk about women having fetishes for gay males. Also, I want to know exactly how Female Shep/Liara catered to men? We're not even talking about gay men rn. We're talking about how a lot of lesbian romances are written by and for men in such ways that it dominates how lesbians are portrayed in media. Before we even get into Liara herself, let's start with asari in general: - The "they're not women but they're not not women" way of handling a monogender species caters to a male fantasy all-female space babes that are all somehow conventionally feminine looking and use gendered language to describe eachother, despite the fact they're supposed to not have gender as a concept at all
- Depicting them oftentimes as strippers and the implication that they're stereotyped as slutty; no offense but most women I know don't find that empowering in general
- The fact that they've been only getting with other asari for millennia but asari NPC are most often depicted getting with male characters
- Just.... Samara's Justicar uniform and the idea that asari Justicars would genuinely wear that
- Never depicting any asari matriarch with wrinkles or sagging breasts
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 4, 2017 3:13:24 GMT
I write this up with a full and heavy heart, as I know there are a lot of feelings here, and everything from trolls to histrionics.
There's a lot going on in this thread, but I wanted something objective, historically speaking. Something to show what state, before Mass Effect Andromeda, the LGBTQ community is in, regarding romance in Mass Effect.
As such, I went through and gathered statistics over the original trilogy of games (obviously not including apps, comics, the anime movie, books or other materials). Keep in mind, math is not my specialty, but I think I did it correctly for the limited and simple observation required; I have gathered a break-down list of all (arguable) 32 connections in the trilogy, as follows;
Liara Ashley Kaidan Wrex Garrus Tali Miranda Jacob Mordin Jack Grunt Thane Legion Samara Morinth Zaeed Kasumi Kelly James Javik Aria Nyreen Steve EDI Joker Chakwas Anderson Traynor Gianna The Consort Shiala Allers
These are all characters that either are full squadmates, temporary or hidden squadmates (Aria, Morinth, Nyreen), recurring and 'romancable of any type' NPCs (Shiala, Consort, Gianna), or major crewmates either romancable or essential to the plot (Anderson, Kelly, Joker, Traynor, Steve, Allers), by my count. In total, 32, of which 21 are romancable in some manner, of which I will break down, later. However, we must define 'romancable'. Not included are small, one note flirts that may occur, but only genuine interest (such as Allers, and Kelly, versus a side flirt option that happens one time with, say, Dr. Michelle), and I am only considering 'connections' as people you have extensive contact with over multiple games (excluding Prestly from ME1, or the engineers, so on). Also, please note, I ran down and up to whole percentages based on > .50 up, and < .50 down.
I will, of course, break down two types of LIs; full LIs are the real deal, and include Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Jacob (shudder), Thane, Steve, Traynor, and, whom I add after considering developer commentary and game mechanics/achievements/trophies, sigh, Kelly and Allers.
Additionally, there are the 'kinda romances' of Aria, the Consort, Gianna, Shiala, James, Javik (I.. guess?), Samara (almost a full) and Morinth (barely anything). My thought here is that these are romantic interests who show a genuine connection or interest, that the player can pursue if even for a conversation, or vice versa.
Below, you will find four categories of PC/LI coupling, which will be explained at the start (if it is not obvious) and then the two types of romances, and the percentage of said romances (Full, and All, which include the 'Kinda' as well). Keep in mind, some characters are bisexual, so the percentages, due to crossover, will not add to 100%.
However, for Hanako and the other asexual fans, I added the asexual percentage; of all romances, 62% are explicitly or generally accepted as sexual, with 38% being arguable. Please note, Morinth and Samara are both listed as 'implied' and not 'explicit', as Samara is shown to be a reluctant but needful kiss, only, and Morinth fries your brain.
Now, for the actual figures, in coincidentally ascending order!
Male/Male, 2 options, 10% All, 15% Full- These are exactly as stated, full wang on wang luvin'. Small here, with only two characters, Kaidan and Steve, available.
Female/Male, 6 options, 29% All, 31% Full- For FemShep to male character, with a decent number of options, though let's face it, between death and betrayal ARGUABLY the most likely to be unhappy, with Garrus, Kaidan, Thane, Jacob, Javik and James (the last two are arguable as 'kinda' romances).
Female/Female, 9 options, 43% All, 15% Full- This one is interesting, as there are a LOT of lesbian or FemShep/bisexual connections, including Liara, Kelly, Traynor, Shiala, Aria, the Consort, Morinth, Samara, and Allers. NINE. *whistle*
Male/Female, 13 options, 62% All, 38% Full- An embarrassment of riches. Subjectively having the best LI's, in my eyes (very developed characters, more options, less tragedy), and so many of them. Liara, Ashley, Miranda, Kelly, Jack, Tali, Samara, Morinth, Aria, Shiala, the Consort, Gianna, Allers.
Also, for reference, of the connections, 34% don't have time for your luvin', and are focused on the Reapers, including Wrex, Zaeed, Kasumi, EDI, Joker, Anderson, Chakwas, Grunt, Mordin, Legion, and Nyreen. I did not include antagonists or side characters who are hit or miss in terms of impact, such as Jack Harper, Saren, Benezia, Emily Wong, Bailey, the Council, Conrad, and so on.
For sexual orientation, and taking all 'Male and FemShep' options as bisexual, the breakdown is as follows;
Straight: 53% of connections, 59% of all squadmates Bisexual: 28% of connections, 23% of all squadmates (Kaidan, Liara, Morinth, Aria, Samara, Shiala, the Consort, Allers, Kelly) Gay: 3% of connections, 0% of all squadmates (... Steve. D: ) Lesbian: 6% of all connections, 5% of all squadmates (Nyreen, Traynor) No Interest/Preference: 9% of connections, 14% of all squadmates (No interest or preference characters either have no preference as they are machines, such as EDI or Legion, are too busy such as Mordin)
Now, I would argue Thane, Miranda, Kasumi and Jack SHOULD be considered bisexual, with arguments abound for even more, I am going by explicit, in game commentary or canon lore to support whereas otherwise unknown (Anderson and Chakwas).
I could be wrong regarding ANY of this. It's just me compiling it, just me doesing the maffs, and just me arguing some sbjective recollections as empirical data, which, of course, is contradictory.
What is not up for debate, to me, is that the homosexual male community of Mass Effect needs more. Pure, and simple, from a number-based argument. Quality of LI's up to your interpretation.
TL:DR; #wangforScott
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 4, 2017 3:19:26 GMT
Are you speaking for all bi and lesbians women? If we're talking about men that has fetishes for lesbians, then we also need to talk about women having fetishes for gay males. Also, I want to know exactly how Female Shep/Liara catered to men? We're not even talking about gay men rn. We're talking about how a lot of lesbian romances are written by and for men in such ways that it dominates how lesbians are portrayed in media. Before we even get into Liara herself, let's start with asari in general: - The "they're not women but they're not not women" way of handling a monogender species caters to a male fantasy all-female space babes that are all somehow conventionally feminine looking and use gendered language to describe eachother, despite the fact they're supposed to not have gender as a concept at all
- Depicting them oftentimes as strippers and the implication that they're stereotyped as slutty; no offense but most women I know don't find that empowering in general
- The fact that they've been only getting with other asari for millennia but asari NPC are most often depicted getting with male characters
- Just.... Samara's Justicar uniform and the idea that asari Justicars would genuinely wear that
- Never depicting any asari matriarch with wrinkles or sagging breasts
Even if it is or isn't catering, the issue is still stemming from the catering crowd, at least, the perceived 'straight male gamer' community. I mean, even if it's not 'teehee, let's put lesbeans in teh game,' I PROMISE YOU, it was easier to get lesbian content approved and in, because it wouldn't offend the 'majority' of 'straight male gamers' who are the primary demographic, in terms of most marketing and sales teams. My suspected reasoning on someone 'o'er derr's' part, not my own personal beliefs.
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Post by Mihura on Mar 4, 2017 3:19:53 GMT
If you don't get why lesbians and bi women consider the asari to be catering to men... Then, you obviously aren't aware of us talking about men who fetishize lesbians? Oftentimes, a lot of lesbian content ends up catering to them way more than actual lesbians. There's a reason a lot of LGBT women really really don't want another asari love interest. Are you speaking for all bi and lesbians women? If we're talking about men that has fetishes for lesbians, then we also need to talk about women having fetishes for gay males. Also, I want to know exactly how Female Shep/Liara catered to men? It is not Liara per se, it is just the whole race really. The Asari are a walking stereotype, a race with only beautiful women that somehow are all bisexuals? like to pole dance a lot and have huge cleavages in old age and glue up boobs, oh wait is this asari suppose to be a paladin and monk warrior? wtf is happening here? I mean I love Liara, she is one of the best romances for lesbians in the ME trilogy(or the only really) but that is because and only because she is a shared LI with MaleShepard. The same can be said about Isabela. The suppose lesbian companions were a disaster.
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Post by cespar on Mar 4, 2017 3:25:34 GMT
Are you speaking for all bi and lesbians women? If we're talking about men that has fetishes for lesbians, then we also need to talk about women having fetishes for gay males. Also, I want to know exactly how Female Shep/Liara catered to men? We're not even talking about gay men rn. We're talking about how a lot of lesbian romances are written by and for men in such ways that it dominates how lesbians are portrayed in media. Before we even get into Liara herself, let's start with asari in general: - The "they're not women but they're not not women" way of handling a monogender species caters to a male fantasy all-female space babes that are all somehow conventionally feminine looking and use gendered language to describe eachother, despite the fact they're supposed to not have gender as a concept at all
- Depicting them oftentimes as strippers and the implication that they're stereotyped as slutty; no offense but most women I know don't find that empowering in general
- The fact that they've been only getting with other asari for millennia but asari NPC are most often depicted getting with male characters
- Just.... Samara's Justicar uniform and the idea that asari Justicars would genuinely wear that
- Never depicting any asari matriarch with wrinkles or sagging breasts
Now I understand why you believe they're catered to males.
1. I'll give you this one. This mostly fall on Bioware part. I think Bioware should have done a little research on Genderfluid, so they could have made this race similar to that style.
2. Amber Rose with her slut walks would disagree, but that's a different story.
3. Just think of how everyone wants a piece of Jaal. It's new and excited for them to see other races. But Bioware are doing a little better since Peebee had an girlfriend and Aria was with that one Turian lady.
4. How many Justicars have we met? Samara seems to use that outfit to her advantage. Nothing is wrong with wearing something sexy now and then, but she could have had armor as an alternative outfit for those who didn't like it.
5. TBH, I don't remember seeing any of the ladies with wrinkles and sagging breast. Bioware only made unique body styles for the companions.
So speaking directly to you and not all lebsian and bisexual women, what would be the perfect look/personality for a Lesbian/bisexual LI?
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 4, 2017 3:28:04 GMT
The asari were absolutely designed around the concept of the alien space babe.
It makes sense, since (correct me if I'm wrong) the original vision for Mass Effect was to create a "classic" Sci-Fi space adventure setting.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 4, 2017 3:32:15 GMT
So speaking directly to you and not all lebsian and bisexual women, what would be the perfect look/personality for a Lesbian/bisexual LI? Alright, for me? My personal ideal would be an older, plot relevant female love interest who's either kind of butch or very androgynous who doesn't act young or naive, preferably someone who has more to her arc than being "nice" or "quirky" or "funny." So, essentially, someone who's a little more serious (like Vetra, perhaps?). Any race, since I'm still willing to give asari a chance despite how they're essentially conceived more as a male fantasy. I would also accept a femme woman if she was sort of a "defrosting ice queen," mostly because we've never had that type for a f/f love interest before. Either way, though, I'd love an older female love interest. Someone who's at least 30 in either years or stage of development (unsure what the equivalent is in asari or krogan years).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2017 3:38:00 GMT
The asari were absolutely designed around the concept of the alien space babe. It makes sense, since (correct me if I'm wrong) the original vision for Mass Effect was to create a "classic" Sci-Fi space adventure setting. The Asari were designed as a subversion of the typical trope regarding space babes. Most science fiction franchises had them in subservient roles, like the Orion slave girls or the Twi'leks, where in Mass Effect the asari pretty much run the galaxy.
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Post by byne on Mar 4, 2017 3:44:30 GMT
So, I got addicted to Horizon: Zero Dawn and stopped checking this thread for like 40 pages. Have we gotten any new information since then or no?
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