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Post by Kian on Feb 20, 2017 18:38:10 GMT
Cortez lacked stereotype imo. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here, but maybe the tragic past trope or something along those lines? I honestly didn't have a problem with his backstory, I just prefered Kaidan tbh. Me too. I love both, but Kaidan was there in ME1 With me on EVERY mission, regardless of who would have been the best squadmate for that mission lol. Same in ME3. And the goodbye scene on your way to the beam ... which you couldn't get with Steve... eh. So yeah all that meant I chose Kaidan every time lol... I did went with Steve for one PT, and his dialogue is great. Tiny details here and there that make the romace really sweet. But overall, I prefer Kaidan no matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:44:07 GMT
I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here, but maybe the tragic past trope or something along those lines? I honestly didn't have a problem with his backstory, I just prefered Kaidan tbh. Me too. I love both, but Kaidan was there in ME1 With me on EVERY mission, regardless of who would have been the best squadmate for that mission lol. Same in ME3. And the goodbye scene on your way to the beam ... which you couldn't get with Steve... eh. So yeah all that meant I chose Kaidan every time lol... I did went with Steve for one PT, and his dialogue is great. Tiny details here and there that make the romace really sweet. But overall, I prefer Kaidan no matter what. How was Kaidan's ME3 romance with your Shep? I'm curious because his writer (who took over for Kaidan in ME3) is writing Jaal.
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 18:56:44 GMT
Me too. I love both, but Kaidan was there in ME1 With me on EVERY mission, regardless of who would have been the best squadmate for that mission lol. Same in ME3. And the goodbye scene on your way to the beam ... which you couldn't get with Steve... eh. So yeah all that meant I chose Kaidan every time lol... I did went with Steve for one PT, and his dialogue is great. Tiny details here and there that make the romace really sweet. But overall, I prefer Kaidan no matter what. How was Kaidan's ME3 romance with your Shep? I'm curious because his writer (who took over for Kaidan in ME3) is writing Jaal. I'm sorry if I'm hijacking this line of conversation, but if I may ask, did Kaidan's ME3 writer work on other characters as well? I'm sure they did it as many Bioware writers seem to take on at least 2 characters per game (Or maybe that's just what DAI led me too believe), so if they have does anyone know what characters they are? I wasn't super thrilled with Kaidan as a character in the original trilogy, not to the point where I didn't like him, but just to where I just didn't pay all that much attention to him because he didn't interest me personally. I'm excited for Jaal but if he is written too smiliarly to Kaidan, I'm a little ashamed to admit, I will be a bit disappointed. I guess what I'm trying to ask for here is whether or not the writer has written any other characters, and if they did I wanted to look at them for comparison.
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How was Kaidan's ME3 romance with your Shep? I'm curious because his writer (who took over for Kaidan in ME3) is writing Jaal. I'm sorry if I'm hijacking this line of conversation, but if I may ask, did Kaidan's ME3 writer work on other characters as well? I'm sure they did it as many Bioware writers seem to take on at least 2 characters per game (Or maybe that's just what DAI led me too believe), so if they have does anyone know what characters they are? I wasn't super thrilled with Kaidan as a character in the original trilogy, not to the point where I didn't like him, but just to where I just didn't pay all that much attention to him because he didn't interest me personally. I'm excited for Jaal but if he is written too smiliarly to Kaidan, I'm a little ashamed to admit, I will be a bit disappointed. I guess what I'm trying to ask for here is whether or not the writer has written any other characters, and if they did I wanted to look at them for comparison. She also worked on ME3 Citadel DLC, Leviathan DLC and dialogue stuff for SWTOR. Apparently Kaidan on Mars was Mac Walters though. No other characters that I know of or that are listed anywhere.
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 19:03:02 GMT
I'm sorry if I'm hijacking this line of conversation, but if I may ask, did Kaidan's ME3 writer work on other characters as well? I'm sure they did it as many Bioware writers seem to take on at least 2 characters per game (Or maybe that's just what DAI led me too believe), so if they have does anyone know what characters they are? I wasn't super thrilled with Kaidan as a character in the original trilogy, not to the point where I didn't like him, but just to where I just didn't pay all that much attention to him because he didn't interest me personally. I'm excited for Jaal but if he is written too smiliarly to Kaidan, I'm a little ashamed to admit, I will be a bit disappointed. I guess what I'm trying to ask for here is whether or not the writer has written any other characters, and if they did I wanted to look at them for comparison. She also worked on ME3 Citadel DLC, Leviathan DLC and dialogue stuff for SWTOR. Apparently Kaidan on Mars was Mac Walters though. No other characters that I know of or that are listed anywhere. Oh ok, thank you! It seems my assumptions were incorrect. I enjoyed pretty much the entirety of the Citadel DLC (Don't have Leviathan unfortunately) so I'm a little more optimistic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:05:28 GMT
She also worked on ME3 Citadel DLC, Leviathan DLC and dialogue stuff for SWTOR. Apparently Kaidan on Mars was Mac Walters though. No other characters that I know of or that are listed anywhere. Oh ok, thank you! It seems my assumptions were incorrect. I enjoyed pretty much the entirety of the Citadel DLC (Don't have Leviathan unfortunately) so I'm a little more optimistic. I can tell you Leviathan imo was a really amazing DLC! It was a mystery that turned into a big discovery (and my LI was just precious in it)!
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 19:11:07 GMT
Oh ok, thank you! It seems my assumptions were incorrect. I enjoyed pretty much the entirety of the Citadel DLC (Don't have Leviathan unfortunately) so I'm a little more optimistic. I can tell you Leviathan imo was a really amazing DLC! It was a mystery that turned into a big discovery (and my LI was just precious in it)! I have heard great things about it! I have also been considering buying it as well as some other DLC I missed out on during my other play throughs. I wanted to get a the full Mass Effect experience before Andromeda, but alas, as it gets closer to launch time my savings are mostly going towards the new game. I have watched some of the LI Leviathan scenes and I'm kinda disappointed I'm missing out . Maybe the fates will shine upon me and I could somehow manage to Squeeze enough cash out to buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:12:36 GMT
I can tell you Leviathan imo was a really amazing DLC! It was a mystery that turned into a big discovery (and my LI was just precious in it)! I have heard great things about it! I have also been considering buying it as well as some other DLC I missed out on during my other play throughs. I wanted to get a the full Mass Effect experience before Andromeda, but alas, as it gets closer to launch time my savings are mostly going towards the new game. Try and get it after you have gotten your fill of MEA. It's surprisingly more connected to the main story then you'd think for a DLC!
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Post by Kian on Feb 20, 2017 19:12:52 GMT
Me too. I love both, but Kaidan was there in ME1 With me on EVERY mission, regardless of who would have been the best squadmate for that mission lol. Same in ME3. And the goodbye scene on your way to the beam ... which you couldn't get with Steve... eh. So yeah all that meant I chose Kaidan every time lol... I did went with Steve for one PT, and his dialogue is great. Tiny details here and there that make the romace really sweet. But overall, I prefer Kaidan no matter what. How was Kaidan's ME3 romance with your Shep? I'm curious because his writer (who took over for Kaidan in ME3) is writing Jaal. It was great. Sweet, emotional, tragic. Perfect to make one cry I thought the explanation as to why you couldn't get together in ME1 even made sense (though it shouldn't have been the case, he should have been available since ME1, but you know homophobia is alive and well - by "made sense" I mean the writer did good with a crappy situation and gave a believable explanation). For me, it hit all the right notes in terms of how well they know each other, nostalgic references to their past, inside jokes, affection and so on. And the good bye scene... oh boy... If only the game had a happy ending... I did use a mod though, for a happy ending... and wow... IT WAS AWESOME! "The narative is better with a tragic... bla bla"... FK that! Happy ending with DOUBLE rainbows for me please
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:15:14 GMT
How was Kaidan's ME3 romance with your Shep? I'm curious because his writer (who took over for Kaidan in ME3) is writing Jaal. It was great. Sweet, emotional, tragic. Perfect to make one cry I thought the explanation as to why you couldn't get together in ME1 even made sense (though it shouldn't have been the case, he should have been available since ME1, but you know homophobia is alive and well - by "made sense" I mean the writer did good with a crappy situation and gave a believable explanation). For me, it hit all the right notes in terms of how well they know each other, nostalgic references to their past, inside jokes, affection and so on. And the good bye scene... oh boy... If only the game had a happy ending... I did use a mod though, for a happy ending... and wow... IT WAS AWESOME! "The narative is better with a tragic... bla bla"... FK that! Happy ending with DOUBLE rainbows for me please Hmmm... well A leak said Jaal's romance would be happy and sad, so it makes sense if this one had a mix of everything! This just makes me more excited for Jaal now! I'm really curious! I mean I saw a few vids of male Shep and Kaidan, but I never experienced the full story, so playing it sounds better than a few clips.
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Post by Kian on Feb 20, 2017 19:18:24 GMT
It was great. Sweet, emotional, tragic. Perfect to make one cry I thought the explanation as to why you couldn't get together in ME1 even made sense (though it shouldn't have been the case, he should have been available since ME1, but you know homophobia is alive and well - by "made sense" I mean the writer did good with a crappy situation and gave a believable explanation). For me, it hit all the right notes in terms of how well they know each other, nostalgic references to their past, inside jokes, affection and so on. And the good bye scene... oh boy... If only the game had a happy ending... I did use a mod though, for a happy ending... and wow... IT WAS AWESOME! "The narative is better with a tragic... bla bla"... FK that! Happy ending with DOUBLE rainbows for me please Hmmm... well A leak said Jaal's romance would be happy and sad, so it makes sense if this one had a mix of everything! This just makes me more excited for Jaal now! I'm really curious! I mean I saw a few vids of male Shep and Kaidan, but I never experienced the full story, so playing it sounds better than a few clips. It's worth playing if you have the time and posibility I already did my ME3 PT before MEA Wanted to do a full trilogy PT but eh. Got caught in Skyrim with mods... naked and anatomically correct men all over the place can't... get... away...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:20:00 GMT
Hmmm... well A leak said Jaal's romance would be happy and sad, so it makes sense if this one had a mix of everything! This just makes me more excited for Jaal now! I'm really curious! I mean I saw a few vids of male Shep and Kaidan, but I never experienced the full story, so playing it sounds better than a few clips. It's worth playing if you have the time and posibility I already did my ME3 PT before MEA Wanted to do a full trilogy PT but eh. Got caught in Skyrim with mods... naked and anatomically correct men all over the place can't... get... away... LMAO! I got completely lost in Oblivion and Skyrim last year! It made time fly faster for MEA! I think I'll give it a try after I complete MEA though. I want to compare and see how she did with both and what was different, etc...
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 19:44:11 GMT
Huh..if that leak about Jaal's romance being happy and sad is true I am both enthusiastic and a little nervous. I'm enthusiastic because I hate myself and love angsty relationships, though I do not prefer completely or mostly serious ones where only bad things seem to happen —which is probably one of the reasons why Kaidan's romance was never all that appealing to me. It seemed like there was always something dark and upsetting happening —but to be fair this is Mass Effect—such as Ash's death, Kaidan's initial distrust of Shepard in both ME2 and ME3 due to Cerberus, his near death experience with Doctor Eva, as well as the subsequent hospital stay (especially if you had started another romance during ME2). By the time it felt like their relationship was any type of happy was during the Citadel DLC and shortly before the end of ME3 and we all know how that turned out. I like the idea of conflict being a major part of relationships, whether internal or external, but it can get to the point where it just seems like too much. Which is why I just hope that if Jaal's romance is anything like Kaidan's, I wish it will have some happier moments and isn't nearly as bittersweet. The devs did say MEA will be more lighthearted than the original trilogy, and while that gives me hope, that could just be an overall view of the game and not looking at specific relationships. Then again all of this could be moot if that leak is fake, so I'll try to take it all with a grain of salt. However, I like to over analyze things regardless (^^^^^^), so we'll see how well that works out for me )) )))). EDIT: Proofreading before posting would be a great idea > ))))), maybe I'll try it one day.
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Post by Joey on Feb 20, 2017 20:01:18 GMT
A leak said Jaal's romance would be happy and sad, so it makes sense if this one had a mix of everything! This just makes me more excited for Jaal now! I'm really curious! I mean I saw a few vids of male Shep and Kaidan, but I never experienced the full story, so playing it sounds better than a few clips. Omg, another leak :0 ? What's the source? Any more info from that leak?
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 20:06:51 GMT
A leak said Jaal's romance would be happy and sad, so it makes sense if this one had a mix of everything! This just makes me more excited for Jaal now! I'm really curious! I mean I saw a few vids of male Shep and Kaidan, but I never experienced the full story, so playing it sounds better than a few clips. Omg, another leak :0 ? What's the source? Any more info from that leak? It was a tumblr post someone made about a discussion the OP had with a friend who supposedly works with Bioware. The only information a recall being discussed was how Jaal's relationship would make you happy and sad. I don't have the original link, but regardless I think that was the jist of it.
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 20:08:56 GMT
Omg, another leak :0 ? What's the source? Any more info from that leak? It was a tumblr post someone made about a discussion the OP had with a friend who supposedly works with Bioware. The only information a recall being discussed was how Jaal's relationship would make you happy and sad. I don't have the original link, but regardless I think that was the jist of it. Nvm, I found it oni-queen.tumblr.com/post/157164915634/things-i-managed-to-learn-about-the-new-mass
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Huh..if that leak about Jaal's romance being happy and sad is true I am both enthusiastic and a little nervous. I'm enthusiastic because I hate myself and love angsty relationships, though I do not prefer completely or mostly serious ones where only bad things seem to happen —which is probably one of the reasons why Kaidan's romance was never all that appealing to me. It seemed like there was always something dark and upsetting happening —but to be fair this is Mass Effect—such as Ash's death, Kaidan's initial distrust of Shepard in both ME2 and ME3 due to Cerberus, his near death experience with Doctor Eva, as well as the subsequent hospital stay (especially if you had started another romance during ME2). By the time it felt like their relationship was any type of happy was during the Citadel DLC and shortly before the end of ME3 and we all know how that turned out. I like the idea of conflict being a major part of relationships, whether internal or external, but it can get to the point where it just seems like too much. Which is why I just hope that if Jaal's romance is anything like Kaidan's, I wish it will have some happier moments and isn't nearly as bittersweet. The devs did say MEA will be more lighthearted than the original trilogy, and while that gives me hope, that could just be an overall view of the game and not looking at specific relationships. Then again all of this could be moot if that leak is fake, so I'll try to take it all with a grain of salt. However, I like to over analyze things regardless (^^^^^^), so we'll see how well that works out for me )) )))). EDIT: Proofreading before posting would be a great idea > ))))), maybe I'll try it one day. Yeah I'm not surprised if he's the angsty relationship for Sara. Liam looks like the chill one of the male LI's. But we know he won't pull a Thane (squad can't die) or a Solas, so I suspect his loyalty mission, past or something in the main plot might make it a mixed package. I mean, people get all gushy abut Cullen, but romancing a man with PTSD and a dangerous addiction that made him violent wasn't a happy time, nor when he's crying/praying not to lose you near the end of the game.
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 21:19:03 GMT
Huh..if that leak about Jaal's romance being happy and sad is true I am both enthusiastic and a little nervous. I'm enthusiastic because I hate myself and love angsty relationships, though I do not prefer completely or mostly serious ones where only bad things seem to happen —which is probably one of the reasons why Kaidan's romance was never all that appealing to me. It seemed like there was always something dark and upsetting happening —but to be fair this is Mass Effect—such as Ash's death, Kaidan's initial distrust of Shepard in both ME2 and ME3 due to Cerberus, his near death experience with Doctor Eva, as well as the subsequent hospital stay (especially if you had started another romance during ME2). By the time it felt like their relationship was any type of happy was during the Citadel DLC and shortly before the end of ME3 and we all know how that turned out. I like the idea of conflict being a major part of relationships, whether internal or external, but it can get to the point where it just seems like too much. Which is why I just hope that if Jaal's romance is anything like Kaidan's, I wish it will have some happier moments and isn't nearly as bittersweet. The devs did say MEA will be more lighthearted than the original trilogy, and while that gives me hope, that could just be an overall view of the game and not looking at specific relationships. Then again all of this could be moot if that leak is fake, so I'll try to take it all with a grain of salt. However, I like to over analyze things regardless (^^^^^^), so we'll see how well that works out for me )) )))). EDIT: Proofreading before posting would be a great idea > ))))), maybe I'll try it one day. Yeah I'm not surprised if he's the angsty relationship for Sara. Liam looks like the chill one of the male LI's. But we know he won't pull a Thane (squad can't die) or a Solas, so I suspect his loyalty mission, past or something in the main plot might make it a mixed package. I mean, people get all gushy abut Cullen, but romancing a man with PTSD and a dangerous addiction that made him violent wasn't a happy time, nor when he's crying/praying not to lose you near the end of the game. Agreed, I figured that's how it'll probably be. Glad devs got the whole squadmate deaths possibility out of the way, I plan on going into the romances blind —I do, however, want to know what their orientations are ahead of launch so I don't end up wasting my time pining after someone my character can't have— so ending up with a dead LI would kill me. Although, if we step back and look at it all, it could be more about perspective. A good majority of the Bioware romances (At least in ME and DA) can be seen as angsty in some form, especially with the male love interests. Thane dies, Jacob cheats, Fenris rejects you for half the game, there's the whole situation with Alistair being royalty/being a Grey Warden and where that leads him in Inquisition, Blackwall's whole premise, Iron Bull can betray you, and then, of course, there's Solas and Anders, both of which I don't feel the need to give an explanation For. There's more but I've already made quite the list. The person the original poster of the leak mentions could just be describing a romance that follows a somewhat run of the mill formula (Not that it won't be unique of course! Though the tropes could still be there). I guess what I'm saying is, is that if Jaal turns out to be an angsty romance then maybe I shouldn't be all that surprised really given Bioware's track record....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:27:51 GMT
jacquelinetheripper they had to make another post because people freaked out and they said that happy and sad is pretty much most BW romances lol
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Post by jacquelinetheripper on Feb 20, 2017 21:42:16 GMT
jacquelinetheripper they had to make another post because people freaked out and they said that happy and sad is pretty much most BW romances lol "They" as in the original leaker? Didn't see that when I first searched for the post. It was pretty vague and bound to stir up some fears so color me shocked lol.
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jacquelinetheripper they had to make another post because people freaked out and they said that happy and sad is pretty much most BW romances lol "They" as in the original leaker? Didn't see that when I first searched for the post. It was pretty vague and bound to stir up some fears so color me shocked lol. Yeah it's a text on Tumblr about Jaal and it's titled about how fans got worried when she leaked it.
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Yeah I'm not surprised if he's the angsty relationship for Sara. Liam looks like the chill one of the male LI's. But we know he won't pull a Thane (squad can't die) or a Solas, so I suspect his loyalty mission, past or something in the main plot might make it a mixed package. I mean, people get all gushy abut Cullen, but romancing a man with PTSD and a dangerous addiction that made him violent wasn't a happy time, nor when he's crying/praying not to lose you near the end of the game. Agreed, I figured that's how it'll probably be. Glad devs got the whole squadmate deaths possibility out of the way, I plan on going into the romances blind —I do, however, want to know what their orientations are ahead of launch so I don't end up wasting my time pining after someone my character can't have— so ending up with a dead LI would kill me. Although, if we step back and look at it all, it could be more about perspective. A good majority of the Bioware romances (At least in ME and DA) can be seen as angsty in some form, especially with the male love interests. Thane dies, Jacob cheats, Fenris rejects you for half the game, there's the whole situation with Alistair being royalty/being a Grey Warden and where that leads him in Inquisition, Blackwall's whole premise, Iron Bull can betray you, and then, of course, there's Solas and Anders, both of which I don't feel the need to give an explanation For. There's more but I've already made quite the list. The person the original poster of the leak mentions could just be describing a romance that follows a somewhat run of the mill formula (Not that it won't be unique of course! Though the tropes could still be there). I guess what I'm saying is, is that if Jaal turns out to be an angsty romance then maybe I shouldn't be all that surprised really given Bioware's track record.... Yeah, it's funny that word 'sad' has become something of a trigger for us female players in regards to romance (male gay ones too, though to a lesser extent, maybe? - though unfortunately that's because they've had less options to begin with). We automatically assume the worst, because so much tragic shit's been thrown our way. Like, we consider Cullen's romance a happy one, despite, as @beautesombre pointed out, there being a lot of sad elements. Same with Kaidan, if you consider the whole romance arc, especially as a female player (that sting of rejection, complete with letter about how he was almost over you (planned date included) until you went and ruined it by not actually dying, plus his behavior on Mars, has so far made me not able to continue his romance into ME3). Zevran has a tragic past thing and can betray and turn on you, and his romance is one of the more light-hearted ones. Even Garrus has a whole arc where his whole crew dies and he goes to this pretty dark place emotionally where he plots the murder of his former friend. And that's after you save him from a situation where he fully expects to die. I literally can't think of a single male romance in recent Bioware history that you couldn't be described in that way to some extent. So yeah, not too worried about Jaal, though I'm still planning to romance Liam first because he seems a bit... safer. Like, I feel like it'll be harder to screw things up with him through your choices in the game, as long as you at least play a good person. I get the sense Jaal might be more of a challenge to keep around. One I'm up for, but not until I've played the game once before so I can know what he's about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 22:42:50 GMT
Agreed, I figured that's how it'll probably be. Glad devs got the whole squadmate deaths possibility out of the way, I plan on going into the romances blind —I do, however, want to know what their orientations are ahead of launch so I don't end up wasting my time pining after someone my character can't have— so ending up with a dead LI would kill me. Although, if we step back and look at it all, it could be more about perspective. A good majority of the Bioware romances (At least in ME and DA) can be seen as angsty in some form, especially with the male love interests. Thane dies, Jacob cheats, Fenris rejects you for half the game, there's the whole situation with Alistair being royalty/being a Grey Warden and where that leads him in Inquisition, Blackwall's whole premise, Iron Bull can betray you, and then, of course, there's Solas and Anders, both of which I don't feel the need to give an explanation For. There's more but I've already made quite the list. The person the original poster of the leak mentions could just be describing a romance that follows a somewhat run of the mill formula (Not that it won't be unique of course! Though the tropes could still be there). I guess what I'm saying is, is that if Jaal turns out to be an angsty romance then maybe I shouldn't be all that surprised really given Bioware's track record.... Yeah, it's funny that word 'sad' has become something of a trigger for us female players in regards to romance (male gay ones too, though to a lesser extent, maybe? - though unfortunately that's because they've had less options to begin with). We automatically assume the worst, because so much tragic shit's been thrown our way. Like, we consider Cullen's romance a happy one, despite, as @beautesombre pointed out, there being a lot of sad elements. Same with Kaidan, if you consider the whole romance arc, especially as a female player (that sting of rejection, complete with letter about how he was almost over you (planned date included) until you went and ruined it by not actually dying, plus his behavior on Mars, has so far made me not able to continue his romance into ME3). Zevran has a tragic past thing and can betray and turn on you, and his romance is one of the more light-hearted ones. Even Garrus has a whole arc where his whole crew dies and he goes to this pretty dark place emotionally where he plots the murder of his former friend. And that's after you save him from a situation where he fully expects to die. I literally can't think of a single male romance in recent Bioware history that you couldn't be described in that way to some extent. So yeah, not too worried about Jaal, though I'm still planning to romance Liam first because he seems a bit... safer. Like, I feel like it'll be harder to screw things up with him through your choices in the game, as long as you at least play a good person. I get the sense Jaal might be more of a challenge to keep around. One I'm up for, but not until I've played the game once before so I can know what he's about. Alistair is still one of the worst if you play as anything but a noble. Anders with the Chantry. Solas with his hidden agenda. Blackwall with his lies. Bull can betray you. Jacob cheats on you. Thane dies.
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Post by Foelhe on Feb 20, 2017 22:56:26 GMT
Yeah, it's funny that word 'sad' has become something of a trigger for us female players in regards to romance (male gay ones too, though to a lesser extent, maybe? - though unfortunately that's because they've had less options to begin with). We automatically assume the worst, because so much tragic shit's been thrown our way. Like, we consider Cullen's romance a happy one, despite, as @beautesombre pointed out, there being a lot of sad elements. Same with Kaidan, if you consider the whole romance arc, especially as a female player (that sting of rejection, complete with letter about how he was almost over you (planned date included) until you went and ruined it by not actually dying, plus his behavior on Mars, has so far made me not able to continue his romance into ME3). Zevran has a tragic past thing and can betray and turn on you, and his romance is one of the more light-hearted ones. Even Garrus has a whole arc where his whole crew dies and he goes to this pretty dark place emotionally where he plots the murder of his former friend. And that's after you save him from a situation where he fully expects to die. I literally can't think of a single male romance in recent Bioware history that you couldn't be described in that way to some extent. So yeah, not too worried about Jaal, though I'm still planning to romance Liam first because he seems a bit... safer. Like, I feel like it'll be harder to screw things up with him through your choices in the game, as long as you at least play a good person. I get the sense Jaal might be more of a challenge to keep around. One I'm up for, but not until I've played the game once before so I can know what he's about. Alistair is still one of the worst if you play as anything but a noble. Anders with the Chantry. Solas with his hidden agenda. Blackwall with his lies. Bull can betray you. Jacob cheats on you. Thane dies. Depending on your choices, Alistair wasn't really too bad, because you could just put Anora on the throne and everything was hunky-dory... but then DAI came out and threw Warden!Alistair on the chopping block. So even if dude-loving women manage a happy ending, there's no guarantee it won't be retconned in another game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 22:59:20 GMT
Alistair is still one of the worst if you play as anything but a noble. Anders with the Chantry. Solas with his hidden agenda. Blackwall with his lies. Bull can betray you. Jacob cheats on you. Thane dies. Depending on your choices, Alistair wasn't really too bad, because you could just put Anora on the throne and everything was hunky-dory... but then DAI came out and threw Warden!Alistair on the chopping block. So even if dude-loving women manage a happy ending, there's no guarantee it won't be retconned in another game. Yeah I was lucky I chose to save Loghain in DAO first time I played. Made DAI a lot better. The Warden they were hunting was not trusted, no one liked them, it fit him better than Alistair, as well as sacrificing himself for the greater good like he wanted to with the AD in DAO.
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