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Post by ruffian on Feb 23, 2017 18:26:06 GMT
Why not. They have ALREADY done that with the Mass Effect games. First 2 no question. Third one... eh we can debate how "equally" the gay options were treated. Don't get me wrong, I want to hope I'm just paranoid, but... Like @princeenigmatic said, I'm also considering canceling my preorder. Having 2 squaddies for straight/gay female protag and 3 squaddies for straight male protag but 0 for gay male protag is on a completely new level though. No previous Bioware game period has been that skewed against a single demographic. Rather than making me angry though, it just makes me doubt the rumors more. They'll be plenty of time to be angry and complain when/if it is confirmed. Yeah, this is why I'm having a hard time believing it will turn out like this. It would be so obviously unbalanced I can't believe Bioware wouldn't realize it looks bad.
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Post by Dirk on Feb 23, 2017 18:31:57 GMT
Can anyone link me to a place where I can learn data mining?
Anyway until there is a confirmation that there is squad mate romance for gay Scott, it is still a possibility. I have faith in Bioware in this. Needless to say if there is not one, I will be extremely disappointed.
Also I am very dubious on these leaks/claims on romance information. Say if you, as Scott, first flirt with Jaal and he does not reciprocate, that does not necessarily mean that he is not an option. Maybe he's still distrusting you? This might make people who play the game for 3 hours think that Jaal is not an option.
Although I prefer squat mate romance, other NPC romance is not necessarily bad. Yes, there is lack of romance content with Steve and Samantha. But there is also Cullen whose romance is quite great.
What we really need is confirmation. Come on, Bioware.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 23, 2017 18:35:38 GMT
Having 2 squaddies for straight/gay female protag and 3 squaddies for straight male protag but 0 for gay male protag is on a completely new level though. No previous Bioware game period has been that skewed against a single demographic. Rather than making me angry though, it just makes me doubt the rumors more. They'll be plenty of time to be angry and complain when/if it is confirmed. Yeah, this is why I'm having a hard time believing it will turn out like this. It would be so obviously unbalanced I can't believe Bioware wouldn't realize it looks bad. Maybe a gay/bi male squadmate didn't make sense™.
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Post by Kian on Feb 23, 2017 18:39:12 GMT
Why not. They have ALREADY done that with the Mass Effect games. First 2 no question. Third one... eh we can debate how "equally" the gay options were treated. Don't get me wrong, I want to hope I'm just paranoid, but... Like @princeenigmatic said, I'm also considering canceling my preorder. Having 2 squaddies for straight/gay female protag and 3 squaddies for straight male protag but 0 for gay male protag is on a completely new level though. No previous Bioware game period has been that skewed against a single demographic. Rather than making me angry though, it just makes me doubt the rumors more. They'll be plenty of time to be angry and complain when/if it is confirmed. That is certainly a healthier attitude then mine. For a moment there I was worried I might have a stroke Anyway, yes I know, and that's why I'll wait for confirmations and factual info. It's just irritating that I and others have to go through all of this. If they would have simply give a chart of options (no names/spoilers - just numbers: x lesbian npcs available, y gay npcs available, z str8 npcs... and male/female ratio... easy peasy). But no. They went with this "we won't say, we will let you discover *giggle giggle*... oh but here are some str8 romances confirmed for Scott just cuz" silly thing which is just frustrating. A good, finally caught up with the last few pages. Now I can safely say I'm more depressed then before Still, I'll wait for the March 16th (or whatever the date is) when we will get confirmations from data mining and etc. If the "mass effect team is shit" scenario turns out to be true, and gay male options will be OBVIOUSLY and PURPOSEFULLY CENSORED/DENIED/ERASED AGAIN, for the 4TH effing time, then I will kindly cancel my preorder and you know, give "best" wishes to said team. I'm forced (lol I know) to still support Bioware, since they are still the most inclusive company out there, but this would be just too shitty a move to forgive. So fk it. I want to say I'm still hoping I'm wrong and they didn't do this, but I'm not feeling it Remember that we really don't really know more about this now than we did yesterday. Tom wrote some kind of concerning things on twitter but nothing we can really conclude anything from. Yes I know. I'll probably avoid thinking about it, and focus on other aspects of the game. And yeah, what Tom said... eh. A str8 guy who doesn't get it. Wow, very new, much surprising. I'm sure he would be open to someone explaining to him what's wrong with gay guys being singled out and excluded from the "fun", but then again, maybe he wouldn't, especially in light of recent tweet activity. So meh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 18:40:03 GMT
Yeah, this is why I'm having a hard time believing it will turn out like this. It would be so obviously unbalanced I can't believe Bioware wouldn't realize it looks bad. Maybe a gay/bi male squadmate didn't make sense™. too "video gamey"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 18:48:55 GMT
I'm sorry, but its obvious Drack isn't a romance option, since there is always going to be at least one squadmate who isn't a LI.
That just leaves Liam and Jaal as the male LIs on the squad.
And given Tom's tweets, Mac Walter's comments about the romances, and the overall silence from the major devs on strictly m/m content, it should be pretty clear that Liam and Jaal are for Sara only.
Why?
I don't know.
I literally cannot begin to comprehend why they feel a "Full" "Not-scrappy" "not limited" NPC romance is enough to justify gay male players being the only ones, again to not have a romanceable squadmate.
I've tweeted and only got cryptic stuff from Tom that does nothing to quell my fears about the m/m content.
It should also be worth noting, Daveliam's original leak had the m/m scene be with a non-squaddie. Really, that should have sent alarm bells ringing then, but I guess we were all naive and overly optimistic about BioWare actually improving.
Guess not.
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Post by naychan on Feb 23, 2017 18:53:21 GMT
Nobody talks about gay squad member. But why can't they make a man alien bisexual? This is ridiculous.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 23, 2017 18:59:05 GMT
If there's no male alien romance (not just a fling, but a full-fledged romance) for the male Ryder I don't think I'm going to buy the game to be honest. I know it's a silly reason but eh, I'm not that interested in ME to begin with. If I can't have a sword battle with my alien bro and then adopt a lot of spaceferrets and live happily ever after with him then what good is this franchise for?! (jk jk, I'm sure it's great please don't pm me about how I'm wrong and shallow or whatever).
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 23, 2017 19:04:12 GMT
Honestly, if you're concerned about this, then cancel your preorders. This isn't me being glib, or snarky, or sarcastic. By cancelling your preorder, you are telling Bioware they have not yet given you enough information about the game to sell you on it. It's a good message to send, plus ypu don't feel like a chump afterward when all you have left is a farking artbook.
Plus you can always re-preorder when or if they do tell us.
Also, spite. You can do it for spite.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 19:05:28 GMT
If there's no male alien romance (not just a fling, but a full-fledged romance) for the male Ryder I don't think I'm going to buy the game to be honest. I know it's a silly reason but eh, I'm not that interested in ME to begin with. If I can't have a sword battle with my alien bro and then adopt a lot of spaceferrets and live happily ever after with him then what good is this franchise for?! (jk jk, I'm sure it's great please don't pm me about how I'm wrong and shallow or whatever). It's not silly. You're (presumably) an adult who can make their own choices.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 19:06:18 GMT
Honestly, if you're concerned about this, then cancel your preorders. This isn't me being glib, or snarky, or sarcastic. By cancelling your preorder, you are telling Bioware they have not yet given you enough information about the game to sell you on it. It's a good message to send, plus ypu don't feel like a chump afterward when all you have left is a farking artbook. Plus you can always re-preorder when or if they do tell us. Also, spite. You can do it for spite. This. And I'm pro-pre-order.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 19:07:54 GMT
Lol now they have confirmed Lexi has a crush on Drack. Remember guys, only m/m romances are super secret LE SPOILERS.
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 23, 2017 19:07:55 GMT
Honestly, if you're concerned about this, then cancel your preorders. This isn't me being glib, or snarky, or sarcastic. By cancelling your preorder, you are telling Bioware they have not yet given you enough information about the game to sell you on it. It's a good message to send, plus ypu don't feel like a chump afterward when all you have left is a farking artbook. Plus you can always re-preorder when or if they do tell us. Also, spite. You can do it for spite. This. And I'm pro-pre-order. Indeed. I still have my pre-order, but mine is a birthday gift, so.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 19:15:30 GMT
This. And I'm pro-pre-order. Indeed. I still have my pre-order, but mine is a birthday gift, so. I'm a content whore. "I get what for pre-ordering? Nevermind, here's a fiver."
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 19:16:12 GMT
Lol now they have confirmed Lexi has a crush on Drack. Remember guys, only m/m romances are super secret LE SPOILERS. Makes me question if she is romancable, actually.
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Post by Panda on Feb 23, 2017 19:18:43 GMT
Lol now they have confirmed Lexi has a crush on Drack. Remember guys, only m/m romances are super secret LE SPOILERS. It will be more fun to find out in the game when you got rejected.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 23, 2017 19:23:05 GMT
Lol now they have confirmed Lexi has a crush on Drack. Remember guys, only m/m romances are super secret LE SPOILERS. Makes me question if she is romancable, actually. There have been crushes from LIs before. For example Josephine had a crush on Rainier in DAI. I just hope it goes no further than a crush.
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Post by captbiglou on Feb 23, 2017 19:33:10 GMT
Well, some first hand account for Vetra with BroRyder: Source
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 19:46:05 GMT
BioFan@biofanofficial 34m34 minutes ago Confirmed by aarynflynn: this isn't Gil Brodie #MEAndromeda #MassEffect #BioWare #MassEffectAndromeda
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 23, 2017 19:52:32 GMT
I'm going to need this elusive Gil to show his face soon.
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Post by Joey on Feb 23, 2017 19:52:32 GMT
There's something strange I've noticed. In daveliam's leak you can read about PeeBee's sex scenes with both Ryders, while gaycaravaggio (person who's responsible for Jaal hetero leak) claims that PeeBee is gay. Both users got their information from their friends who works at BioWare. Either one of them is wrong or I have messed up something and didn't remember some leak correctly. Or perhaps BW changes their stuff a lot. Like Cullen who was supposed to be bi, but "bi didn't make sense for him™".
Maybe we still got a chance for bi Jaal? Tom Taylorson's tweets made me pessimistic, though... but I don't think that voice actors are reliable source. They don't know everything- lots of their dialogues got cut. Remember that Cullen got some unused m/m romance dialogue recorded? Same with Kaidan in ME1 I think. IMO he has no idea about m/m squadmate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
Lol now they have confirmed Lexi has a crush on Drack. Remember guys, only m/m romances are super secret LE SPOILERS. Makes me question if she is romancable, actually. But we now know she is at least attracted to men. Something that they apparently can not say about any of the male squadmates. Getting hints at female NPCs before we even a word about possible m/m squadmate attractions. More good signs.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 20:01:15 GMT
There's something strange I've noticed. In daveliam's leak you can read about PeeBee's sex scenes with both Ryders, while gaycaravaggio (person who's responsible for Jaal hetero leak) claims that PeeBee is gay. Both users got their information from their friends who works at BioWare. Either one of them is wrong or I have messed up something and didn't remember some leak correctly. Or perhaps BW changes their stuff a lot. Like Cullen who was supposed to be bi, but "bi didn't make sense for him™". Maybe we still got a chance for bi Jaal? Tom Taylorson's tweets made me pessimistic, though... but I don't think that voice actors are reliable source. They don't know everything- lots of their dialogues got cut. Remember that Cullen got some unused m/m romance dialogue recorded? Same with Kaidan in ME1 I think. IMO he has no idea about m/m squadmate. I believe they said PeeBee was bi.
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Post by Joey on Feb 23, 2017 20:04:00 GMT
BioFan@biofanofficial 34m34 minutes ago Confirmed by aarynflynn : this isn't Gil Brodie #MEAndromeda #MassEffect #BioWare #MassEffectAndromeda THANK GOD lol Some polish ME:A preview article described Gil as a really handsome engineer btw.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 20:32:20 GMT
Well, some first hand account for Vetra with BroRyder: SourceNice. Anyone gets even more direct confirmation of BroRyder x Vetra romance, post it here ASAP for us, thx
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