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Post by colfoley on Jan 28, 2017 19:00:38 GMT
I'd be shocked if he dies. Especially at the start of the game.
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Post by Arcian on Jan 28, 2017 19:11:38 GMT
Your daddy. They couldn't make it more obvious in the last andromeda initiative trailer. Plus, an old guy always dies at the start of bioware trilogies... I still cry when I think about Trask Ulgo. I'd be shocked if he dies. Especially at the start of the game. That's exactly why they're going to kill him off at the start of the game.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Jan 28, 2017 19:16:18 GMT
Your daddy. They couldn't make it more obvious in the last andromeda initiative trailer. Plus, an old guy always dies at the start of bioware trilogies... It's very cliche from them. Our best hope is daddy being missing.
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Post by Arcian on Jan 28, 2017 19:22:19 GMT
Should've hired Sean Bean to voice him. Wasted opportunity, BioWare! Or Patrick Stewart. "Oh hi there mr Criminal, my escape route just happens to go through your prison cell so I guess you can tag along. Oh btw, I dreamt about you, so here's the MacGuffin, hold on to it while I die and set off the plot."
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Post by colfoley on Jan 28, 2017 19:23:15 GMT
Your daddy. They couldn't make it more obvious in the last andromeda initiative trailer. Plus, an old guy always dies at the start of bioware trilogies... I still cry when I think about Trask Ulgo. I'd be shocked if he dies. Especially at the start of the game. That's exactly why they're going to kill him off at the start of the game. what to shock little old me?
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Post by Arcian on Jan 28, 2017 19:27:13 GMT
I still cry when I think about Trask Ulgo. That's exactly why they're going to kill him off at the start of the game. what to shock little old me? Nah, not you specifically. It's more to shock babby's first BioWer player who doesn't yet know about their plot formula.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 19:30:34 GMT
People speculated that Anderson would die in the opening of ME3, and he held out until the very end when the writer's felt the need to inject some arbitrary tragedy. Nihlus, Jenkins and Wilson all died shortly after being introduced, but the latter two were just redshirts and the former we didn't know or care about enough because we only talked to him once.
Hackett was another character that could have been easily killed in ME3. Imagine that for the first half of ME3 we got briefed by Hackett who is grim and serious, but also sympathetic and cooperative. Then something terrible would happen to Hackket and for the rest we're stuck with some nobody admiral, or even worse, a Promoted Mikhailovic.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 28, 2017 19:43:25 GMT
Presumed dead... comes back as the bad guy. That's my guess... Going missing and coming back as a brainwashed Kett weapon, forcing us to kill him, seems more likely than the writers killing him off first thing. This is pretty much what I figured was gonna happened. He "sees the light" and is another Saren.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 19:47:00 GMT
I hope so, I don't want to have my dad on the same ship that I will bang everyone who will be available lol I also hope that I will be able to loot his body for his tight armor But seriously, I think it will make perfect sense if he dies at the beginning of the game, I mean we probably need better motivation to go on after all
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 28, 2017 20:00:34 GMT
I doubt he'll die at the beginning. Something is clearly going to happen to him to remove him from the picture. What will be interesting is if he's MIA, will Sam still have a connection to him confirming that he's alive via his implant. Part of me thinks he may end up on the archon's side willingly or unwillingly.
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Post by noviere on Jan 28, 2017 20:13:26 GMT
I hope they keep him alive. Sure, have him MIA for the bulk of the story so that Ryder can shine... But bring him back and let him survive the first game at least. Let us become attached to him! Then kill him later when it's actually meaningful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 20:13:41 GMT
If he was going to be killed off in the beginning they probably wouldn't have bothered casting Clancy Brown for the part. More likely IMO is that he gets captured by the Khet during the events of that first cinematic trailer and is missing in action.
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Post by maxon on Jan 28, 2017 21:22:43 GMT
Going missing and coming back as a brainwashed Kett weapon, forcing us to kill him, seems more likely than the writers killing him off first thing. Ugh - please no. I was thinking, who are all these old guys dying like flies in recent Bioware games? Well, there was Duncan (not that old) of course but DA2 was Bethany/Carver (not old) and DAI was everyone except you and Cassandra, more or less. Then ME1 was Jenkins/Nihlus (neither of them old), ME2 was Shepard herself (shrug - also not old) - oh and that whassisname, the one Miranda shot and ME3 was that effing kid - who would have done better to stay bloody dead. Little shit. What were we talking about? Oh yeah - anyway, old-ness is not a defining feature as far as I can see. Duncan's was the best handled death, I think, nearly everyone liked him (but then DAO was a stand out game).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 21:57:04 GMT
Assuming for a moment that Alec Ryder resurfaces as an antagonist, it may not necessarily be because of indoctrination. He could also go Dances With Wolves/The Last Samurai and willingly join the Khet.
Bioware did say they want the Khet to be more than just one dimensional villains, so they might have a legitimate reason for attempting to impede the progress of the Milky Way colonists.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 28, 2017 22:01:22 GMT
Assuming for a moment that Alec Ryder resurfaces as an antagonist, it may not necessarily be because of indoctrination. He could also go Dances With Wolves/The Last Samurai and willingly join the Khet. Bioware did say they want the Khet to be more than just one dimensional villains, so they might have a legitimate reason for attempting to impede the progress of the Milky Way colonists. Given his profile I doubt he will go prancing with the puppies...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 23:01:16 GMT
That's not what I was saying. Bioware has never hired a big name to play a character that dies in the beginning. That's no guarantee (or even indication) that they wouldn't. There is precedent in gaming and it's not hard to imagine circumstances for why this might happen. Even if, for whatever reason you could only get him to say one line (money or scheduling), you can still technically say so and so voices a character in your game. <-Selling point. Well, Bioware hired Clint Mansell who composed, if I'm not mistaken, just one song. It's not the same as a character, but still...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 23:07:31 GMT
Assuming for a moment that Alec Ryder resurfaces as an antagonist, it may not necessarily be because of indoctrination. He could also go Dances With Wolves/The Last Samurai and willingly join the Khet. Bioware did say they want the Khet to be more than just one dimensional villains, so they might have a legitimate reason for attempting to impede the progress of the Milky Way colonists. Bioware confirmed Dad Ryder wouldn't be an antagonist, didn't they? If so, he'll likely be captured, put in stasis, or whatever other form of removing him from his job. Being killed is also a possibility, but to me, that is a little more difficult to happen. As for him being used against us, that's also seems unlikely to me, since they want us to sympathize with the Kett. If even one separatist group kills my father, I'll be out for blood against the whole race. Just saying...
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Post by Fazed Muttley on Jan 29, 2017 0:37:08 GMT
I hope if he does die, that it's not right at the start. I'll put my vote with the MIA/Mission of his own.
Although a thought I had. What if for the first few minutes we actually play as him and thats how we pick our sibling. Just a thought when watching the recent trailer as RyDad says in that they were low on power.
SAM: We only have limited power Pathfinder. At current levels we can only activate one pod.
At the point we can pick between two pods next to each other.
Alec: Scott. I'll need his training. But keep Sarah safe SAM.
SAM: Of course Pathfinder. Activating Cryo Sequence.
And then of course bad stuff happens and we get spaced etc... if the trailers are anything to go by.
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Post by Cannibal on Jan 29, 2017 1:37:43 GMT
I don't think they'll be killing him off early, there is nothing to gain from it. We the player already know that at the start of the game, Alec is the pathfinder, but very early on, we become the pathfinder. If they decide to pass the torch through killing him, our character, who just lost their father should be stricken with grief and the dialogue will reflect that but I has the player won't give a shit. It would feel very awkward trying to play that character at the time.
If they hold off his death* til later, after we get to know the character some, the death will play out better, since the player will actually care somewhat.
* While his death isn't a guarantee, I'm leaning towards it happening since BioWare has said that no squad mates are going to die, I'd be surprised if BioWare doesn't kill off somebody.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jan 29, 2017 2:50:08 GMT
I totally disagree OP, it's not obvious in the slightest - it's even partially dismissed even. Alec is narrating a scene that's obviously the Hyperion in disarray, 20,000 souls aboard, power is on the fritz, she is going down on Habitat 7 by the sounds, marooned.....reminiscent of the Deluxe Edition cover art. The pre-release material has all sorts of Alec related hijinks going on, he's in the trailer in a vault (Cinematic #1) opening a door, he's blowing up Kett in Guerilla style warfare (Cinematic #1) and he's now narrating a juncture in the story where the Hyperion is in bad shape: if it was the whole AI, then it's not 20,000 souls marooned, it's a frakking wack load more than that...it's more like 100,000 (if the Nexus was part of this disarray, he wouldn't be phrasing it like that). We've also seen him dropping guys off rooftops (the Krogan with him isn't Drack) in leaked footage, I'm thinking this is post-crash/marooning also: there are human pre-fabs involved. It's far too obvious to me to kill him off from the get-go, obviously this is subjective though...but to me it doesn't feel right that someone is being killed off that's already confirmed in cinematics to be all over the show doing all sorts of shit: surely he doesn't perform all these feats within the first hour, he's not Blasto haha.
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Post by hector535 on Jan 29, 2017 5:01:29 GMT
Abducted/Missing probably, they are not going to waste Clancy Brown for just a prologue and bye, nope. I was afraid he would be killed but they have given him a lot of background and importance in every trailer.
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Post by KamenRyder on Jan 29, 2017 5:28:46 GMT
Would be a waste of having Clancy Brown if they're going to body him so quick.
I think he's going to be in at least a quarter of the game and go MIA. I feel like he's the new Anderson, so I see him sticking around. That's if Bioware plans on making direct sequels with the Ryders.
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Post by rudelove on Jan 29, 2017 5:36:33 GMT
I think it'd be interesting if he willingly retires and passes the pathfinder title to your Ryder because of a mistake he made that Ryder tries to solve through some sort of heroic means. It'd be a little less emotionally charged (unless the mistake was vital, I guess) than death, MIA or changing sides, but it would break the obvious trope of that. I do hope that he doesn't die (in the beginning especially) but him being actually gone (whether its death or not) would put a lot more pressure on your Ryder, especially if he leaves on the brink of something big. It could be an interesting narrative surrounding him if they play it right.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jan 29, 2017 6:23:51 GMT
You know they could make it so Alec stays onboard the Nexus filling the Anderson/Mentor Role for our Ryders I hope so anyway because I dont think a dead relative is really needed to be honest.
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