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Post by FireAndBlood on Jan 30, 2017 10:26:20 GMT
So we know Ellen Ryder isn't around for the events of MEA and I have a theory why that is. So we know from the last Initiative briefing video that the Ryder twins were born on the Citadel and that Alec Ryder later became the Alliances military attache to the Citadel in the late 2160s, so I think it's highly likely that Ellen lived aboard the Citadel. My theory is that Alec and Ellen were on the Citadel during Saren's attack and Ellen was killed by the Geth.
Thoughts?
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Post by ProbeAway on Jan 30, 2017 11:54:12 GMT
So we know Ellen Ryder isn't around for the events of MEA and I have a theory why that is. So we know from the last Initiative briefing video that the Ryder twins were born on the Citadel and that Alec Ryder later became the Alliances military attache to the Citadel in the late 2160s, so I think it's highly likely that Ellen lived aboard the Citadel. My theory is that Alec and Ellen were on the Citadel during Saren's attack and Ellen was killed by the Geth. Thoughts? Sounds interesting, although I'm not sure why Alec Ryder would be such a fan of AI research if the Geth killed his wife.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 12:02:51 GMT
My admittedly lame 'theory' is that they're keeping the mother a secret, so as to make room for the possibility that the twins can be customizable w/ respect to skin color etc. while remaining the biological offspring of papa Ryder.
E.g., my Ryder will be black; so in order for him to be Alec's biological son, the mother would need to be black as well. Being the biological offspring could be significant in some way.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Jan 30, 2017 12:07:09 GMT
So we know Ellen Ryder isn't around for the events of MEA and I have a theory why that is. So we know from the last Initiative briefing video that the Ryder twins were born on the Citadel and that Alec Ryder later became the Alliances military attache to the Citadel in the late 2160s, so I think it's highly likely that Ellen lived aboard the Citadel. My theory is that Alec and Ellen were on the Citadel during Saren's attack and Ellen was killed by the Geth. Thoughts? Sounds interesting, although I'm not sure why Alec Ryder would be such a fan of AI research if the Geth killed his wife. The same video mentions he first became interested in AI research around the same time he became a military attache so he was interested long before the Geth came back into the picture, if the theory is true it would be interesting to see if Alec's relationship with SAM changed after Ellen's death.
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Post by wolfsite on Jan 30, 2017 12:26:07 GMT
My admittedly lame 'theory' is that they're keeping the mother a secret, so as to make room for the possibility that the twins can be customizable w/ respect to skin color etc. while remaining the biological offspring of papa Ryder. E.g., my Ryder will be black; so in order for him to be Alec's biological son, the mother would need to be black as well. Being the biological offspring could be significant in some way. Well they could do what the did with Dragon Age 2 and have several presets for parents/siblings to account for player creations.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 30, 2017 12:35:59 GMT
So we know Ellen Ryder isn't around for the events of MEA and I have a theory why that is. So we know from the last Initiative briefing video that the Ryder twins were born on the Citadel and that Alec Ryder later became the Alliances military attache to the Citadel in the late 2160s, so I think it's highly likely that Ellen lived aboard the Citadel. My theory is that Alec and Ellen were on the Citadel during Saren's attack and Ellen was killed by the Geth. Thoughts? Sounds interesting, although I'm not sure why Alec Ryder would be such a fan of AI research if the Geth killed his wife. You certainly have a point, but BW already said that he may be "controversial" sometimes. Perhaps the only thing his wife's death made him to do is to improve security protocols. Besides I find sort of amusing the possibility of him using geth/"geth" pieces he found in his research.
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Post by umgayeb on Jan 30, 2017 12:51:17 GMT
Her getting killed during one of the events from ME1/ME2 is definitely a strong possibility. The way the devs have mentioned the "Ryder family mystery" makes me wonder if there's something deeper.
Other thoughts: -She was indoctrinated. -She was imprisoned for life for illegal work on an AI. -They got divorced, now it's awkward. -Died at childbirth. -Disappeared in dark space. Some kind of plot bunny convinces Dad!Ryder that she ended up in Andromeda. Mystery ensues. -Mom!Ryder made come kind of crazy discovery about Andromeda, then died under suspicious circumstances before she could reveal it. -No one ever helps her with the dishes in this god damn house.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 13:06:59 GMT
My admittedly lame 'theory' is that they're keeping the mother a secret, so as to make room for the possibility that the twins can be customizable w/ respect to skin color etc. while remaining the biological offspring of papa Ryder. E.g., my Ryder will be black; so in order for him to be Alec's biological son, the mother would need to be black as well. Being the biological offspring could be significant in some way. Has it been confirmed that Alec Ryder will always have the same default appearance? It would be interesting if his appearance shifted to match the Ryder twins, sort of like the setup with the Hawkes and DA2.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 30, 2017 13:11:47 GMT
My admittedly lame 'theory' is that they're keeping the mother a secret, so as to make room for the possibility that the twins can be customizable w/ respect to skin color etc. while remaining the biological offspring of papa Ryder. E.g., my Ryder will be black; so in order for him to be Alec's biological son, the mother would need to be black as well. Being the biological offspring could be significant in some way. Has it been confirmed that Alec Ryder will always have the same default appearance? It was confirmed that he isn't customizeable, but will change appearance based on siblings.
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Post by LadyCass on Jan 30, 2017 13:13:25 GMT
According to Twitter, he will automatically change to defined versions based on your Ryder and twin, ala DA2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 13:15:19 GMT
According to Twitter, he will automatically change to defined versions based on your Ryder and twin, ala DA2. There goes my lame theory. I suppose the twin's appearance also changes accordingly.
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Post by jediguardian on Jan 30, 2017 14:00:13 GMT
If Mama Ryder die because of Citadel attack from ME1 , it will be wise choice to relate MEA to Original. And it will be perfect time to mention Shepard.
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Post by brunobyof on Jan 30, 2017 14:24:08 GMT
No, the briefing only says Alec became interested in AI at the end of it's description, which imply he started building SAM probably a few years before the initiative launch. He probably became interested in AI after coming back from the Charon's Mass Relay, which opened new frontiers to the humankind. His wife must be helping him until something happens..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 14:52:37 GMT
Honestly, I don't want any lore related to Shepard or anything she/he was involved in the archives or to be ever mentioned in Andromeda. I don't need the shadow of my old character still following me.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 30, 2017 14:57:29 GMT
Her getting killed during one of the events from ME1/ME2 is definitely a strong possibility. The way the devs have mentioned the "Ryder family mystery" makes me wonder if there's something deeper. Other thoughts: -She was indoctrinated. -She was imprisoned for life for illegal work on an AI. -They got divorced, now it's awkward. -Died at childbirth. -Disappeared in dark space. Some kind of plot bunny convinces Dad!Ryder that she ended up in Andromeda. Mystery ensues. -Mom!Ryder made come kind of crazy discovery about Andromeda, then died under suspicious circumstances before she could reveal it. -No one ever helps her with the dishes in this god damn house. Tell me more about this plot bunny...
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Post by bekkael on Jan 30, 2017 15:26:59 GMT
Just no Franken-mom, pretty please. Why does BioWare always feel the need to kill my mom? 😭
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Post by manofsteel on Jan 30, 2017 15:55:55 GMT
Hopefully she'll appear at some point, or maybe Alec has her audio logs that we'll be able to listen to. Voiced by Sigourney Weaver. For reasons.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 30, 2017 16:19:27 GMT
Maybe she died during Project Overlord...
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Post by bekkael on Jan 30, 2017 16:41:10 GMT
Maybe she died during Project Overlord... Quiet! Make it stop!
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Post by Iakus on Jan 30, 2017 16:42:22 GMT
Maybe she died during Project Overlord... Quiet! Make it stop! I all seemed harmless...
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Jan 30, 2017 17:42:30 GMT
SAM = Ellen Ryder. That was kept a secret. Ellen Ryder didn't just help develop SAM, she is SAM. Aided by the illusive man and project overlord technology. She could have been dying from a degenerative condition.
SAM also stands for Scott/Saras Actual Mother.
In payment, Cora Harper, the illusive mans daughter, was given a prominent position on the expedition, as Alec Ryders second in command, to further humanities interests in the helios cluster.
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Post by trwisco on Jan 30, 2017 18:10:18 GMT
She was born in London, then either died on Eden prime or was one of the scientists that we saved. Or she decided to stay in the Milky Way for one reason or another.
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Post by Gilsa on Jan 30, 2017 18:31:29 GMT
Has it been confirmed that Alec Ryder will always have the same default appearance? It was confirmed that he isn't customizeable, but will change appearance based on siblings. Adding the tweet for clarity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 18:34:19 GMT
Her getting killed during one of the events from ME1/ME2 is definitely a strong possibility. The way the devs have mentioned the "Ryder family mystery" makes me wonder if there's something deeper. Other thoughts: -She was indoctrinated. -She was imprisoned for life for illegal work on an AI. -They got divorced, now it's awkward. -Died at childbirth. -Disappeared in dark space. Some kind of plot bunny convinces Dad!Ryder that she ended up in Andromeda. Mystery ensues. -Mom!Ryder made come kind of crazy discovery about Andromeda, then died under suspicious circumstances before she could reveal it. -No one ever helps her with the dishes in this god damn house. Tell me more about this plot bunny... A more accurate description would be "plot Nug" ... one that calls itself "Schmooples the LXIX" to be exact ... a space/time traveling Nug from a long line of traveling plot nugs.
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