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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:01:09 GMT
Oh for pity's sake are you serious? It's for the same reason your character doesn't need to pee every few hours, female characters don't get cramps every month, you don't have to wait for a week whilst the paperwork goes thru so you can command your new ship and no one backs out of a mission because they have the sniffles. That level of realism has no place in entertainment media, in fact it would ruin it. I for one don't want to spend most of the game reading subtitles.
Creating one language like Elven is doable but making a brand new language up for every species in Mass Effect would be an incredibly intensive task, I for one would rather they spent that time making the actual game instead.
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Post by lastpawn on Feb 1, 2017 12:02:45 GMT
That's the "giant massive" hole? Didn't bother me at all. We prolly think differently about things than. Sure. There's a lot of stuff we have to take for granted when playing a game, like (in random order)... - Most of the other races look human.
- Mass Effect effect.
- Cerberus, a fringe human-only organization, has unlimited funds and power rivaling the rest of the galaxy combined.
- In ME2, Shepard can only use certain weapons. Then, in the Collector mission, she gets extra weapon training. This extra weapon training consists in its entirety of bending down and picking up a new weapon. She can now use it because she picked it up.
- Synthesis.
And so on. Simultaneous universal English translation may be a bit unrealistic, but I can totally get behind that. If I didn't, I feel like I'd go crazy with the rest of this stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:03:59 GMT
why do almost all the species we come across look more or less like they have the same body type as us humans? I legit want to know this one... In ME1 they made all the body types similar, with their hips and shoulders lining up at the same points, so that they could use the same animations and armours for turians and quarians. You can see that clearly when your squad is in the elevators on the Citadel, everyone's butt is at the same height.
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Post by ash on Feb 1, 2017 12:05:04 GMT
It is addressed in-game, as far as I remember.
FemShepard talks about her translator malfunctioning when Thane says "Siha" - and my best guess is that translators work in a way of providing even analogies in wearer's native language. That would actually explain stuff like "villains and stuff named with human terminology" - it can be called like some old turian deity for turians, but translator gave us closest analogy. Siha simply had no entry in thesaurus and no possible synonyms. So, if native language for our protag is English we hear everything in English.
About letters - it can go through auto-translate process, final language depending on your terminal system's language.
Things like banners on Citadel, writings on walls (quarian ships and literally everywhere) are clearly NOT in English - and our translators aren't able to process it, so we see it as it is.
And yeah, creators mentioned about us understanding species of Andromeda will be addressed in-game.
Lip-sync is another thing, but I agree, that not having them sync with English phrases would be hella distracting.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 1, 2017 12:09:55 GMT
Oh for pity's sake are you serious? It's for the same reason your character doesn't need to pee every few hours, female characters don't get cramps every month, you don't have to wait for a week whilst the paperwork goes thru so you can command your new ship and no one backs out of a mission because they have the sniffles. That level of realism has no place in entertainment media, in fact it would ruin it. I for one don't want to spend most of the game reading subtitles. Creating one language like Elven is doable but making a brand new language up for every species in Mass Effect would be an incredibly intensive task, I for one would rather they spent that time making the actual game instead. I must be crazy because I actually wonder about that kind of stuff when I am playing the game. Like in DA:I why does time go by in real time for the war table missions but nothing else? Craft some armor for me and I don't want to wait, can you do it in a half a second? Also didn't like the fact that herbs took the time to go to a new place and back to Skyhold and back X amount of times (usually twice) but I did use that to my advantage, not going to lie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:22:31 GMT
You can see that clearly when your squad is in the elevators on the Citadel, everyone's butt is at the same height. I ... never paid attention to that. Good to know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:27:32 GMT
You can see that clearly when your squad is in the elevators on the Citadel, everyone's butt is at the same height. I ... never paid attention to that. Good to know. I noticed it when errr....umm.....I'm gonna take the fifth on this one.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2017 12:27:42 GMT
Still doesn't make any sense to me... Creating whole new languages for each race would be very time consuming and as we all know time is money. Universal translators are used everywhere in sci-fi genre to bypass this problem. It would be lovely and very interesting to hear what turian langueage would sound like but unfortunately it is what it is. It would make for some amusing moments if they could at least show what would happen if the translator malfunctioned.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:30:06 GMT
Oh for pity's sake are you serious? It's for the same reason your character doesn't need to pee every few hours, female characters don't get cramps every month, you don't have to wait for a week whilst the paperwork goes thru so you can command your new ship and no one backs out of a mission because they have the sniffles. That level of realism has no place in entertainment media, in fact it would ruin it. I for one don't want to spend most of the game reading subtitles. Creating one language like Elven is doable but making a brand new language up for every species in Mass Effect would be an incredibly intensive task, I for one would rather they spent that time making the actual game instead. I must be crazy because I actually wonder about that kind of stuff when I am playing the game. Like in DA:I why does time go by in real time for the war table missions but nothing else? Craft some armor for me and I don't want to wait, can you do it in a half a second? Also didn't like the fact that herbs took the time to go to a new place and back to Skyhold and back X amount of times (usually twice) but I did use that to my advantage, not going to lie. Video games will always have to be sneaky about all these things, unless you want to play something like the Sims. It's the only way a story driven game can be enjoyable to play without being a pain in the ass. Same with tv shows and movies, you've just gotta ignore it and enjoy the content. I always wondered how Booker and Elizabeth manage to get thru the whole of Bioshock Infinite without taking a nap or having a hot dog. Must be bloody starving by the time they're done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:32:11 GMT
Must be bloody starving by the time they're done. Ah, but they had potatoes to eat out of toilets:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:38:05 GMT
Must be bloody starving by the time they're done. Ah, but they had potatoes to eat out of toilets:
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Post by keiji on Feb 1, 2017 12:51:26 GMT
When there is a translator for a language, the translator has to wait until the person is done talking before they can rely what was said to said recipient. Well, that's just flat-out untrue. Translators work in near-realtime all the time. I agree with you. I remember watching a conference and the translator was working in near-realtime. So having a technology which do that on ME universe isn't crazy. Now how you will communicate with new species on Andromeda universe is unknown and I ask about it on twitter and they said they discussed it in the game.
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Post by Crim on Feb 1, 2017 12:56:51 GMT
I ... never paid attention to that. Good to know. I noticed it when errr....umm.....I'm gonna take the fifth on this one. Lol
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 1, 2017 13:20:22 GMT
It's pretty much the oldest Science Fiction trope in the world, and just something that's kind of accepted I guess. Universal translator theory is shonky as fuck, but it's a universally accepted shonkiness so it's nice like that lol why do almost all the species we come across look more or less like they have the same body type as us humans? I legit want to know this one... In ME1 they made all the body types similar, with their hips and shoulders lining up at the same points, so that they could use the same animations and armours for turians and quarians. You can see that clearly when your squad is in the elevators on the Citadel, everyone's butt is at the same height. This kind of butt talk has nearly triggered a last playthrough (I only just did one in December too, thirst is real)
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Post by Infiltratom on Feb 1, 2017 13:20:43 GMT
Obviously most of us here are big fans of the games, story and thus all the minor details within the lore, but a major player base and sales percentage will be a lot more casual looking for some fun. That is the reason that games have to be built appropriately - quick and easy playability for casuals while also having optional content, side stories and in-depth lore explanations for those who wish for more.
Bethesda games sum it up well, you can eat, sleep, sit down, etc but it's all optional until you download a mod that makes it essential if you've too much time on you hands to need to eat and sleep in game as well.
End of the day it's got to be cinematic for the majority to enjoy, which delayed translation, bad lip-syncing or subtitles wouldn't provide.
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Post by Thrombin on Feb 1, 2017 13:50:54 GMT
We have definitely heard from Bioware that the language issue will be addressed in MEA. So there will be an in-game explanation, which is cool.
We know that the Prothean VI's on Ilos and Thessia were able to assimilate and translate the language after just a few sentences and we know that there are other language translator programs such as the one Javik said he could provide (used for inducting slave races into the Prothean empire).
As has been said, though, the fine detail with respect to lip-synch, delay, or the actual feasibility of having a translation of every word in the language based on a few sentences sample size can be glossed over. Every Sci-Fi show does it. I'd call it artistic license!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 13:53:07 GMT
It makes sense to have automatic translators (obviously). However, I would like they could explain them further (it was barely mentioned in the trilogy).
What I'd think it'd be even cooler is to hear other species (turian, asari) talk without translators just to see what they really sounds like. Even if just for a few moments.
Keelah se'lai.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 13:58:29 GMT
Play some KOTOR, anyone not get annoyed by Ithorian and Twi'lek dialogue after the first three times? ACHUTAA!!! De wanna wanga pateesa! Haha, in KOTOR it was all cartoony and cute, though. The repeated phrases did get tiresome after a while, but never really lost their charm. Liked it in KOTor, SWTOR and Jade Empire, but do not mind the space translators either in ME verse.
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Post by Thrombin on Feb 1, 2017 14:00:40 GMT
It makes sense to have automatic translators (obviously). However, I would like they could explain them further (it was barely mentioned in the trilogy). What I'd think it'd be even cooler is to hear other species (turian, asari) talk without translators just to see what they really sounds like. Even if just for a few moments. Keelah se'lai. Now that you mention it, it's interesting that we hear phrases like Keelah se'lai being spoken instead of their translated equivalents. It may well be that our crew don't usually use translators with each other but communicate in English or some sort of Galactic common tongue.
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Post by bshep on Feb 1, 2017 14:03:56 GMT
There are universal translators. When Thane calls a FemShep "Shia," she comment that "her translator must have glitched." So it isn't that everyone is speaking English per say. It's more like Common or Trade Speak out of D&D. You raise a fair point about the natives in Andromeda. I think that part of the game itself will be learning a Rosetta Stone for the language. Either by studying or by having a native in the party. That's how I figure the writers will handle that. They mentioned Hyperion arriving late, so it's possible that the other pathfinder teams already started the job of both understanding their languages and making sure they understand ours languages. But yeah it would be nice if we had some work os decifring but so far they didn't talk about anyone on the pathfinder team (either crew or squad) who specialize on linguistics, if they did i would be more inclined to believe on that possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 14:23:34 GMT
There are universal translators. When Thane calls a FemShep "Shia," she comment that "her translator must have glitched." So it isn't that everyone is speaking English per say. It's more like Common or Trade Speak out of D&D. You raise a fair point about the natives in Andromeda. I think that part of the game itself will be learning a Rosetta Stone for the language. Either by studying or by having a native in the party. That's how I figure the writers will handle that. They mentioned Hyperion arriving late, so it's possible that the other pathfinder teams already started the job of both understanding their languages and making sure they understand ours languages. But yeah it would be nice if we had some work os decifring but so far they didn't talk about anyone on the pathfinder team (either crew or squad) who specialize on linguistics, if they did i would be more inclined to believe on that possibility. A bit off-topic, but (possible Andromeda story spoilers): Do we have confirmation that the asari ark gets destroyed before arriving? I don't remember where, but I heard this info. And that maybe PeeBee's loyalty mission would revolve around this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 14:29:13 GMT
Do we have confirmation that the asari ark gets destroyed before arriving? I don't remember where, but I heard this info. And that maybe PeeBee's loyalty mission would revolve around this. 'Destroyed' as in no one surviving? Sounds a bit extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 14:30:24 GMT
Do we have confirmation that the asari ark gets destroyed before arriving? I don't remember where, but I heard this info. And that maybe PeeBee's loyalty mission would revolve around this. 'Destroyed' as in no one surviving? Sounds a bit extreme. Yeah, I'm not sure. Maybe it's even outdated. As always, take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 1, 2017 14:41:27 GMT
Everyone speaks English (or your own native language). IDK makes it hard for me to suspend my disbelief a bit. Like I get it makes making a space themed game really cumbersome if all the aliens speak their own language, but it just irks me to no end to know we are traveling to the other fucking side of the universe and everyone is still speaking English... Like WFT, really? ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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Post by bshep on Feb 1, 2017 15:04:17 GMT
They mentioned Hyperion arriving late, so it's possible that the other pathfinder teams already started the job of both understanding their languages and making sure they understand ours languages. But yeah it would be nice if we had some work os decifring but so far they didn't talk about anyone on the pathfinder team (either crew or squad) who specialize on linguistics, if they did i would be more inclined to believe on that possibility. A bit off-topic, but (possible Andromeda story spoilers): Do we have confirmation that the asari ark gets destroyed before arriving? I don't remember where, but I heard this info. And that maybe PeeBee's loyalty mission would revolve around this. Bioware haven't said anything like that so far as i remember. What i remember is after they revealed the cover someone here hoping that was the Asari Ark...
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