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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Feb 4, 2017 19:23:08 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, you're already repeating the mistakes of the Zha if you give the Geth the Reaper upgrades. First thing that happens after you do that is that the Geth are uploading themselves into the Quarian suits. Those suits have implants too. Now with Reaper code enhanced AI! What could possibly go wrong?!
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Post by Iakus on Feb 4, 2017 19:42:06 GMT
Guys, SAM and the pathfinders are separate entities. They just talk with one another plus cool ability to change configurations of implants. Light years different then what overlord tried. "From his node in the ark, SAM receives a direct feed of the Pathfinder's sensory input via a neural implant. It sees and feels as Ryder does, providing him advanced situational awareness, problem solving, and even tactical enhancements.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 19:46:58 GMT
I really do not think they will be going down the AI war path again, the original trilogy was enough.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 19:49:50 GMT
Guys, SAM and the pathfinders are separate entities. They just talk with one another plus cool ability to change configurations of implants. Light years different then what overlord tried. "From his node in the ark, SAM receives a direct feed of the Pathfinder's sensory input via a neural implant. It sees and feels as Ryder does, providing him advanced situational awareness, problem solving, and even tactical enhancements. ...Thank you for proving my point?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 4, 2017 19:53:21 GMT
Ugh, this again. I'd much rather discuss the sailing train offshot. Speak of which:
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 4, 2017 19:55:18 GMT
As I said before, this seems like a colossally stupid idea. Ryder getting hacked, in some sense, is a real possibility. If the risks involved aren't at least brought up in the game, it'll be bad writing in that regard. Though even if the risks are brought up, we can't really roleplay our own character as not liking it, since they agreed to it already.
Anyway, SAM could go rogue, or the Archon could hack SAM, etc., so the risk vs. reward seems unacceptable here. All that, just so you can adjust your implants on a mission? Yay?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 20:32:07 GMT
As long as SAM gives me an edge in everything, even in love, we're partners for life. He can even have some fun in my body. Hir 2 : SAM's Syncretic Synthesis Starring : Philosophers in beach bodies. Scene 1 : (close up on sand grains open out to beach, piano music) Sitting on a blanket J...
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Post by Iakus on Feb 4, 2017 21:19:40 GMT
"From his node in the ark, SAM receives a direct feed of the Pathfinder's sensory input via a neural implant. It sees and feels as Ryder does, providing him advanced situational awareness, problem solving, and even tactical enhancements. ...Thank you for proving my point? Quiet! Please! Make it stop!
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 21:24:16 GMT
...Thank you for proving my point? Quiet! Please! Make it stop! I just don't see the connection, or the fear. Project Overlord interfaced a human with a VI connection in order to control the Geth. IE mind, body, soul, etc....sticking him full of creepy tubes to provide a way to...control the entire Geth network. This is entirely different. This is just an information exchange between one AI and one human. Its kind of like Sherlock's mind palace in Sherlock but a lot more literal. The AI can point things out to you that your natural human brain might have missed. But in no way shape or form does this mean that Sam can just hijack Ryder. At worse if Sam ever did go rogue all he could do is make Ryder see things that aren't there.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 4, 2017 21:33:34 GMT
Quiet! Please! Make it stop! I just don't see the connection, or the fear. Project Overlord interfaced a human with a VI connection in order to control the Geth. IE mind, body, soul, etc....sticking him full of creepy tubes to provide a way to...control the entire Geth network. This is entirely different. This is just an information exchange between one AI and one human. Its kind of like Sherlock's mind palace in Sherlock but a lot more literal. The AI can point things out to you that your natural human brain might have missed. But in no way shape or form does this mean that Sam can just hijack Ryder. At worse if Sam ever did go rogue all he could do is make Ryder see things that aren't there. It's not just information: The first Pathfinder neural implants were created by Dr. Ellen Ryder, a pioneer in human biotic implant design. While biotic implants bolster and focus electrical signals along the nervous system, Pathfinder implants go a step further by connecting to not only the nervous system, but circulation, endocrine function, and exteroceptive senses.
Synced with an artificial intelligence, the implants reveal their full potential. The implant is a two-way connection, giving full insight into the host's physical and mental state, while allowing it to generate and alter electrical signals along the host's neural pathways that the body processes as its own.SAM could, in theory hijack Ryder's body.
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Post by bshep on Feb 4, 2017 21:46:27 GMT
Not really. The Zha were living okay until the Reapers invaded and started "reaperizing" and harvesting everyone during the Prothean's cycle. We don't blame humans or turians for the husks and marauders so why do the same with the Zha?
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 22:17:57 GMT
I just don't see the connection, or the fear. Project Overlord interfaced a human with a VI connection in order to control the Geth. IE mind, body, soul, etc....sticking him full of creepy tubes to provide a way to...control the entire Geth network. This is entirely different. This is just an information exchange between one AI and one human. Its kind of like Sherlock's mind palace in Sherlock but a lot more literal. The AI can point things out to you that your natural human brain might have missed. But in no way shape or form does this mean that Sam can just hijack Ryder. At worse if Sam ever did go rogue all he could do is make Ryder see things that aren't there. It's not just information: The first Pathfinder neural implants were created by Dr. Ellen Ryder, a pioneer in human biotic implant design. While biotic implants bolster and focus electrical signals along the nervous system, Pathfinder implants go a step further by connecting to not only the nervous system, but circulation, endocrine function, and exteroceptive senses.
Synced with an artificial intelligence, the implants reveal their full potential. The implant is a two-way connection, giving full insight into the host's physical and mental state, while allowing it to generate and alter electrical signals along the host's neural pathways that the body processes as its own.SAM could, in theory hijack Ryder's body. I suppose its posisble in theory. But then that means that the biotic implants in general, not to mention the extensive cybernetic upgrades that Shepard went through in the series, also must be able to be hacked. Its essentially the same principle. And one that certainly occured to me as I was playing (in the case of Shepard), and yet I do not remember any backlash from the community, no charges of bad writing, and no one was wondering if it was even possible...except for me apparently...in private.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 4, 2017 22:22:28 GMT
It's not just information: The first Pathfinder neural implants were created by Dr. Ellen Ryder, a pioneer in human biotic implant design. While biotic implants bolster and focus electrical signals along the nervous system, Pathfinder implants go a step further by connecting to not only the nervous system, but circulation, endocrine function, and exteroceptive senses.
Synced with an artificial intelligence, the implants reveal their full potential. The implant is a two-way connection, giving full insight into the host's physical and mental state, while allowing it to generate and alter electrical signals along the host's neural pathways that the body processes as its own.SAM could, in theory hijack Ryder's body. I suppose its posisble in theory. But then that means that the biotic implants in general, not to mention the extensive cybernetic upgrades that Shepard went through in the series, also must be able to be hacked. Its essentially the same principle. And one that certainly occured to me as I was playing (in the case of Shepard), and yet I do not remember any backlash from the community, no charges of bad writing, and no one was wondering if it was even possible...except for me apparently...in private. We know it's possible. We saw it in Overlord. But do standard biotic implants and cybernetics have wireless functionality, a signal that can be hacked, or manipulated by a rogue AI? For that matter, do standard cybernetics have that extensive a reach through a human body?
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 22:30:08 GMT
I suppose its posisble in theory. But then that means that the biotic implants in general, not to mention the extensive cybernetic upgrades that Shepard went through in the series, also must be able to be hacked. Its essentially the same principle. And one that certainly occured to me as I was playing (in the case of Shepard), and yet I do not remember any backlash from the community, no charges of bad writing, and no one was wondering if it was even possible...except for me apparently...in private. We know it's possible. We saw it in Overlord. But do standard biotic implants and cybernetics have wireless functionality, a signal that can be hacked, or manipulated by a rogue AI? For that matter, do standard cybernetics have that extensive a reach through a human body? The circumstances were entirely different. Night and day. Point of fact David Archer wasn't hacked. He did the hacking. He just could not handle the pure amounts of information flying into his head so he went nutso. And yes, sure, its possible that Sam will go rogue and that will be bad. Though I have to believe there will be safeguards to limit such things or that Sam will not simply want to because of the likely relationship between the Ryders and Sam (ahem). As far as the wireless signal is concerned. Its likely the technology is a QEC based, or at least something close to it, if I am wrong...then I am wrong. But I find the possibility of hacking a QEC signal next to impossible given what we know about the technology and it never happened in the MET, to the best of my knowledge.
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 4, 2017 22:50:41 GMT
If S.A.M. doesn't lead to a Zha'til type disaster on pre-synthesis organics in the longer term then they will have contradicted their own lore. You'd have thought BioWare have learned from nothing from ME3 the way they are pushing this again. If we don't have any options to refuse it or argue against it's inclusion then indoctrination theory is the only way to rationalise both the existing lore and SAM without incurring cognitive dissonance. It's not a contradiction in law unless the AI setups are similar. And even then it took the Reapers to invade the Zha'til.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 4, 2017 22:51:25 GMT
We know it's possible. We saw it in Overlord. But do standard biotic implants and cybernetics have wireless functionality, a signal that can be hacked, or manipulated by a rogue AI? For that matter, do standard cybernetics have that extensive a reach through a human body? The circumstances were entirely different. Night and day. Point of fact David Archer wasn't hacked. He did the hacking. He just could not handle the pure amounts of information flying into his head so he went nutso. And yes, sure, its possible that Sam will go rogue and that will be bad. Though I have to believe there will be safeguards to limit such things or that Sam will not simply want to because of the likely relationship between the Ryders and Sam (ahem). As far as the wireless signal is concerned. Its likely the technology is a QEC based, or at least something close to it, if I am wrong...then I am wrong. But I find the possibility of hacking a QEC signal next to impossible given what we know about the technology and it never happened in the MET, to the best of my knowledge. I wasn't referring to David...
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 22:55:08 GMT
The circumstances were entirely different. Night and day. Point of fact David Archer wasn't hacked. He did the hacking. He just could not handle the pure amounts of information flying into his head so he went nutso. And yes, sure, its possible that Sam will go rogue and that will be bad. Though I have to believe there will be safeguards to limit such things or that Sam will not simply want to because of the likely relationship between the Ryders and Sam (ahem). As far as the wireless signal is concerned. Its likely the technology is a QEC based, or at least something close to it, if I am wrong...then I am wrong. But I find the possibility of hacking a QEC signal next to impossible given what we know about the technology and it never happened in the MET, to the best of my knowledge. I wasn't referring to David... Shepard wasn't 'possessed' there and nor was she hacked, though I do have to believe that what did happen to her was a result of her implants. BUUUUUUUTTTT David did not gain full control over Shepard, Shepard still had free will, otherwise she would not have stopped Overlord in the first place and David would have then hacked EDI.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 4, 2017 23:29:37 GMT
It's not just information: The first Pathfinder neural implants were created by Dr. Ellen Ryder, a pioneer in human biotic implant design. While biotic implants bolster and focus electrical signals along the nervous system, Pathfinder implants go a step further by connecting to not only the nervous system, but circulation, endocrine function, and exteroceptive senses.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 4, 2017 23:37:15 GMT
I suppose its posisble in theory. But then that means that the biotic implants in general, not to mention the extensive cybernetic upgrades that Shepard went through in the series, also must be able to be hacked. Its essentially the same principle. And one that certainly occured to me as I was playing (in the case of Shepard), and yet I do not remember any backlash from the community, no charges of bad writing, and no one was wondering if it was even possible...except for me apparently...in private. Colfoley, I always love your posts and your imput. However, I'm going to have to agree with others in this case. Because there wasn't an intelligence besides Shepard controlling the implants for ME2 and later, I would say the "hacking" would be limited to shutting down the implants. That would be detrimental, but I don't think it means someone could hijack his body and control it. We are also unsure of the extent to which the implants in Shep were involved in more than just keeping him/her alive. I do agree, however, that the calls for "if this possibility isn't addressed then it is bad writing" is foolhardy. Just because something is possible (like hijacking Ryder's body) doesn't mean it will happen. I doesn't need to be addressed until it's an issue. The whole AI could die from an alien disease, but that doesn't need to be addressed right away. It's possible, but not a necessity. My point is, and this might be a little weird, I acknowledge it, is that...why wasn't this such a concern with Shepard and with all the implant technology in general? I mean, I guess there are some differences between them, but the point of the matter is I see Shepard's implants being a lot more extensive to what Ryder is doing and yet it was not an issue. Either in the narrative or without the narrative. The only time it might have been mentioned and had an impact was during Project Overlord when Shepard started to see visions of what happened to David. And this is given an AI personality (David) which was trying to hack his way out of the system to where if you failed Project Overlord it would have taken control of EDI/ The Normandy. So if Shepard's implants were hackable to give David full control over Shepard and make her do things, he would have done it. So he can't. And thus, because I believe the Ryder implants are a lot less extensive then the Shepard ones, then I doubt anyone can simply 'hack' Ryder either, at least to the extent of giving them full control over Ryder's body/ mind. Now this could be because anyone hacking the tech does not have the means to do so, or it could mean that a sentient mind always acts to serve as kind of an overide if anyone were to exert strong will over their implants if its something like a normal Biotic one, Ryder's, or Shepard's.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 4, 2017 23:46:27 GMT
Colfoley, I always love your posts and your imput. However, I'm going to have to agree with others in this case. Because there wasn't an intelligence besides Shepard controlling the implants for ME2 and later, I would say the "hacking" would be limited to shutting down the implants. That would be detrimental, but I don't think it means someone could hijack his body and control it. We are also unsure of the extent to which the implants in Shep were involved in more than just keeping him/her alive. I do agree, however, that the calls for "if this possibility isn't addressed then it is bad writing" is foolhardy. Just because something is possible (like hijacking Ryder's body) doesn't mean it will happen. I doesn't need to be addressed until it's an issue. The whole AI could die from an alien disease, but that doesn't need to be addressed right away. It's possible, but not a necessity. My point is, and this might be a little weird, I acknowledge it, is that...why wasn't this such a concern with Shepard and with all the implant technology in general? I mean, I guess there are some differences between them, but the point of the matter is I see Shepard's implants being a lot more extensive to what Ryder is doing and yet it was not an issue. Either in the narrative or without the narrative. The only time it might have been mentioned and had an impact was during Project Overlord when Shepard started to see visions of what happened to David. And this is given an AI personality (David) which was trying to hack his way out of the system to where if you failed Project Overlord it would have taken control of EDI/ The Normandy. So if Shepard's implants were hackable to give David full control over Shepard and make her do things, he would have done it. So he can't. And thus, because I believe the Ryder implants are a lot less extensive then the Shepard ones, then I doubt anyone can simply 'hack' Ryder either, at least to the extent of giving them full control over Ryder's body/ mind. Now this could be because anyone hacking the tech does not have the means to do so, or it could mean that a sentient mind always acts to serve as kind of an overide if anyone were to exert strong will over their implants if its something like a normal Biotic one, Ryder's, or Shepard's. That makes a lot of sense. Good example. I agree that there seems to be a lot of nitpicking for MEA as compared to the Original Trilogy. I wasn't heavily on the Official Bioware Forums during the release of the OT, but it did seem that mostly people were just obsessed with the endings and not much else when I joined. There does seem to be a lot of scrutiny over EVERY. SINGLE. LITTLE. THING. for MEA, and I think it's a combination of small amounts of information released at a time, the fairly long window we have known about the game's existence, and the fact that people love these games (even if they sound like they hate them). They pick apart every small bit of knowledge we get because that's all we get, where with the OT we had the whole game and then had to go back into it and find stuff to nitpick. It does get tiresome.
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 4, 2017 23:59:43 GMT
Yeah. Expecting some huge plot holes and no immersion in this game, can't wait! So many plot holes already lined up, they've already dug their own grave, crawled inside it and asked someone to throw dirt on top. Go andromeda!!
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Post by souljahbill14 on Feb 5, 2017 0:07:38 GMT
I see what Bioware is doing. Once SAM takes over and makes everyone half organic/half synthetic, the Nexus will become a mass relay to the Citadel in MEA 2 and that'll make synthesis the canon ending for ME3! Sly dogs! #ThatWasAJoke
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 5, 2017 0:25:45 GMT
Yeah, I don't find the idea particularly appealing or interesting. Seems outright irresponsible. It also seems like a crutch, why would anyone need that? Couldn't you be innovative and smart on your own? Mordin didn't need an AI in his brain to be smart, Nihlus and Tela Vasir didn't require an AI in their brains to be effective. If we go for Transhumanism, I'd rather see bionic limbs and other augmentations, similar to Deus Ex. Personally I would like to see the other half of Transhumanism. Every mention of that concept in mainstream media involves some form of artificial intelligence or some cyborg what-have-you, but what about the other side of this coin? I'm talking about genetic modification, of splicing in traits from other species to compensate for weakness of the primary species. XCOM: Enemy Within touched on this with the gene modded soldiers, and the game Evolve explored this notion with the character of Slim but no one else seems to want to look at such an element. It would certainly touch on some more unique topics compared to everyone else with their robots and "implants". The idea of potentially losing one's humanity as you modify yourself more and more could be an interesting plot line, and a nice antithesis to the Pinocchio-bot narratives that the technology side of transhumanism frequently falls into.
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At sunrise there is the sunset.
To find the secrets of the universe: Think in terms of energy, frequency & VIBRATION -Nikola Tesla
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
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To find the secrets of the universe: Think in terms of energy, frequency & VIBRATION -Nikola Tesla
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 5, 2017 6:12:33 GMT
"Their creators lived on a dying world. It was beyond their ability to save. So they resorted to implants to enhance their intelligence. The AI seized the physical body. It could alter the genetic material at the deepest level. In time the offspring were molded into a slave race. Few organic traces were left. They were monsters." Javik explaining the Zha and Zha'til to Shepard. When the pathfinder debriefing video came out one of the things that instantly jumped out at me was about SAM the AI. I'm curious to see the direction they might take this idea of using implants in conjunction with SAM. Bioware has already given us a history of this experiment to implant yourself with a connection to an AI ending horribly in the Mass Effect universe. The Zha attempted to use AI implants themselves and resulted in the AI taking over their bodies to create the Zha'til. How will these implants effect the story? Is SAM safe or have the potential to be taken over? What was Alec Ryder thinking when he created SAM? Why does Bioware seem so intent on creating a organic synthetic hybrid lol? One Word: Borg
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Post by SKAR on Feb 5, 2017 6:14:54 GMT
I don't think it's gonna be like that.
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