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Post by helios969 on Jan 26, 2017 22:17:20 GMT
B/c people liked backgrounds a lot in games like Torment, KOTOR, DA, Witcher... it does help with making your PC in conversations into something other than a blank interviewer of all the really interesting NPCs. The background they are providing is not intrusive, and you can move your character forward from it. It's a delicate balance. I preferred how Shepard was handled more than this, so far. One of the problems I had with the Witcher series was how established Geralt was. He had an established lover, established friends, established background etc... There were love interests in Witcher 3 I wanted to pursue more than Yennefer's but it just felt wrong not to go with her. Geralt was so canonically into Yen I couldn't enjoy choosing Triss. I definitely would have preferred that entire series more, had it featured a younger less entrenched main character. My only solace with Scott/Sara is the fact they're only like... 22? So even if they have a bit of an established history its only... what 4 years or relevant adult choices? I can deal with that. Agree, although if I have to choose between the two extremes of blank slate Inquisitor and strictly defined Geralt, I'll take the latter because it lends itself better to storytelling. Even more important to me than RPG elements, is the story. I know other opinions differ. |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 5, 2017 1:37:15 GMT
Do you think that there will be backgrounds in this game like there were in the original trilogy, or do you think they scrapped that for the predetermined Ryder family background? Maybe you can choose a background for the family, like where Scott and Sara were raised. We wouldn't be able to choose where Alec is from though, because we already know that he was one of the first to go through the Charon Mass Relay, so he has to be from Earth.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 5, 2017 1:46:38 GMT
Do you think that there will be backgrounds in this game like there were in the original trilogy, or do you think they scrapped that for the predetermined Ryder family background? Maybe you can choose a background for the family, like where Scott and Sara were raised. We wouldn't be able to choose where Alec is from though, because we already know that he was one of the first to go through the Charon Mass Relay, so he has to be from Earth. based on what we've heard there are a couple of options relating to how they got their training but what they are I don't think it's exactly clear yet. But as to other backgrounds like assignments I don't think so because our protag is quite young and supposedly early in their career by the time we take control of them as I believe that it's been said they're in their 20's 22 I think. So they don't really have much of a background |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 5, 2017 1:49:47 GMT
Do you think that there will be backgrounds in this game like there were in the original trilogy, or do you think they scrapped that for the predetermined Ryder family background? Maybe you can choose a background for the family, like where Scott and Sara were raised. We wouldn't be able to choose where Alec is from though, because we already know that he was one of the first to go through the Charon Mass Relay, so he has to be from Earth. No, that has all been predetermined based on what sibling you choose to play as. |
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 5, 2017 1:55:32 GMT
Do you think that there will be backgrounds in this game like there were in the original trilogy, or do you think they scrapped that for the predetermined Ryder family background? Maybe you can choose a background for the family, like where Scott and Sara were raised. We wouldn't be able to choose where Alec is from though, because we already know that he was one of the first to go through the Charon Mass Relay, so he has to be from Earth. No, that has all been predetermined based on what sibling you choose to play as. Yup, unfortunately based on the latest Initiative briefing it looks like each sibling will only have one (different) background each. No choices  Edit: Kind of hard to read, but here:  |
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Post by zaefkol on Feb 5, 2017 3:20:57 GMT
No, that has all been predetermined based on what sibling you choose to play as. Yup, unfortunately based on the latest Initiative briefing it looks like each sibling will only have one (different) background each. No choices Edit: Kind of hard to read, but here: I thought I read somewhere that you do actually get to choose which Ryder sibling gets which of the two backgrounds, but I can't remember where. |
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 5, 2017 3:48:24 GMT
No, that has all been predetermined based on what sibling you choose to play as. Yup, unfortunately based on the latest Initiative briefing it looks like each sibling will only have one (different) background each. No choices Edit: Kind of hard to read, but here: Those are very basic backgrounds. There could still be room to select options within those. |
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Feb 5, 2017 5:31:39 GMT
I tweeted Ian Frazier and asked if he could tell me if the Ryder twins have Preset backgrounds or if we get to choose who gets which background if he gets back to me i'll let you guys know.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 5, 2017 5:45:58 GMT
I tweeted Ian Frazier and asked if he could tell me if the Ryder twins have Preset backgrounds or if we get to choose who gets which background if he gets back to me i'll let you guys know. Haunting this thread till then. |
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Feb 5, 2017 6:40:46 GMT
Damn that sucks I was going to switch the twins backgrounds this sucks. |
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Feb 5, 2017 6:58:06 GMT
So Male Ryder is a Soldier guarding a Relay and Female Ryder is Security for Prothean Researchers and we cant change it up yeah thats not gonna get old fast.  |
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Feb 5, 2017 7:04:38 GMT
Do you think that there will be backgrounds in this game like there were in the original trilogy, or do you think they scrapped that for the predetermined Ryder family background? Maybe you can choose a background for the family, like where Scott and Sara were raised. We wouldn't be able to choose where Alec is from though, because we already know that he was one of the first to go through the Charon Mass Relay, so he has to be from Earth. No, that has all been predetermined based on what sibling you choose to play as. You know Hanako your probably right but losing another avenue of potental character growth for Ryder sucks big time.  |
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Post by DayusMakhina on Feb 5, 2017 7:09:29 GMT
So Male Ryder is a Soldier guarding a Relay and Female Ryder is Security for Prothean Researchers and we cant change it up yeah thats not gonna get old fast. Honestly what difference does it make? It's highly unlikely that either backstory will be touched on a lot in the main story so it doesn't really serve any purpose. If anything the training you've had would be the more relevant thing and that we do have some control over. |
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Feb 5, 2017 7:15:50 GMT
So Male Ryder is a Soldier guarding a Relay and Female Ryder is Security for Prothean Researchers and we cant change it up yeah thats not gonna get old fast. Honestly what difference does it make? It's highly unlikely that either backstory will be touched on a lot in the main story so it doesn't really serve any purpose. If anything the training you've had would be the more relevant thing and that we do have some control over. It matters because there could be Quests/Dialogs/Scenes related to your backgrounds like in Mass Effect 1 and thats a good thing because that gives our Ryder some Depth. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 5, 2017 7:53:19 GMT
Honestly what difference does it make? It's highly unlikely that either backstory will be touched on a lot in the main story so it doesn't really serve any purpose. If anything the training you've had would be the more relevant thing and that we do have some control over. It matters because there could be Quests/Dialogs/Scenes related to your backgrounds like in Mass Effect 1 and thats a good thing because that gives our Ryder some Depth. Unless they have changed the meaning of background. Possibility that background now means went to such and such high school. While training could be anything: Pathfinder, N7, Biotic, Diplomacy -there are many different levels that training could cover. Doubt it is this way but still... I will Have Hope. |
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 5, 2017 10:46:50 GMT
So Male Ryder is a Soldier guarding a Relay and Female Ryder is Security for Prothean Researchers and we cant change it up yeah thats not gonna get old fast. If anything the training you've had would be the more relevant thing and that we do have some control over. I now wonder if this training thing won't turn into basically starting abilities bonus, like combat/biotics/tech trainings resulting into adrenaline/warp/flamethrower/whatever initial skills. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 5, 2017 11:34:26 GMT
If anything the training you've had would be the more relevant thing and that we do have some control over. I now wonder if this training thing won't turn into basically starting abilities bonus, like combat/biotics/tech trainings resulting into adrenaline/warp/flamethrower/whatever initial skills. that's what I would think yeah |
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 5, 2017 11:58:14 GMT
I hope we get some chance to influence what kind of relationship Ryder has with his/her family. This is something I haven't liked so much about previous Bioware games... too often those family relationships have been pre-determined and the player hasn't been given nearly enough control over it. There are some great ideas in the first page of this thread. I would like my M!Ryder for example to be close with his sister but estranged from his father. I hate it if we are once again the favorite child who is loved and adored by everyone.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 5, 2017 17:01:37 GMT
I hope we get some chance to influence what kind of relationship Ryder has with his/her family. This is something I haven't liked so much about previous Bioware games... too often those family relationships have been pre-determined and the player hasn't been given nearly enough control over it. There are some great ideas in the first page of this thread. I would like my M!Ryder for example to be close with his sister but estranged from his father. I hate it if we are once again the favorite child who is loved and adored by everyone. Sooooo............... make us the renegade kid who is hated by everyone?  No. Or at least not as bad as the ME3 one... we all know how that turned out.  |
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 5, 2017 17:41:03 GMT
I hope we get some chance to influence what kind of relationship Ryder has with his/her family. This is something I haven't liked so much about previous Bioware games... too often those family relationships have been pre-determined and the player hasn't been given nearly enough control over it. There are some great ideas in the first page of this thread. I would like my M!Ryder for example to be close with his sister but estranged from his father. I hate it if we are once again the favorite child who is loved and adored by everyone. Sooooo............... make us the renegade kid who is hated by everyone? No. Or at least not as bad as the ME3 one... we all know how that turned out.
Just maybe for once the protagonist doesn't have to be best at everything and surrounded by fanboys. Might as well be that the other sibling is considered to be the better Ryder... |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 5, 2017 17:54:46 GMT
Sooooo............... make us the renegade kid who is hated by everyone? No. Or at least not as bad as the ME3 one... we all know how that turned out.
Just maybe for once the protagonist doesn't have to be best at everything and surrounded by fanboys. Might as well be that the other sibling is considered to be the better Ryder... Ok. Thank you for the clarification. That does bring up one question though. If ME:A does follow this path would that mean you play once as Scott and Sara is the better Ryder and then if you play as Sara then Scott is seen as the better Ryder? That would get confusing after multiple playthroughs. |
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 5, 2017 17:59:22 GMT
Nope. That's not what I said.
Just maybe for once the protagonist doesn't have to be best at everything and surrounded by fanboys. Might as well be that the other sibling is considered to be the better Ryder... Ok. Thank you for the clarification. That does bring up one question though. If ME:A does follow this path would that mean you play once as Scott and Sara is the better Ryder and then if you play as Sara then Scott is seen as the better Ryder? That would get confusing after multiple playthroughs. I was thinking more like this would be one of optional backgrounds people were discussing on the first page, "the black sheep", so to speak. Wouldn't mind if one Ryder is automatically preferred either and you have to work harder to prove yourself if you play, lets say "Sara", but I can see lot of people not liking that idea so that's why it might work better if it was one of three or so optional backgrounds available to both characters. |
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 5, 2017 19:20:41 GMT
Absolute nonsense, Bioware. Why even make a RPG at all if you're going to restrict players this much with 'their' character. To not have a bland, blank slate like the Inquisitor who needs a translator to read her own language? Why not just have both of those backgrounds available for Scott and Sara, though? That's my main problem, that choosing to play as male or female changes something other than itself. Shepard was interesting, but we still got to choose from a few different backgrounds and we could choose any of them regardless of our Shepard's gender. This doesn't really have anything to do with being a blank slate or not. Yup, unfortunately based on the latest Initiative briefing it looks like each sibling will only have one (different) background each. No choices I thought I read somewhere that you do actually get to choose which Ryder sibling gets which of the two backgrounds, but I can't remember where. They already said on twitter that you can't So Male Ryder is a Soldier guarding a Relay and Female Ryder is Security for Prothean Researchers and we cant change it up yeah thats not gonna get old fast. Not only that, but their personalities are different regardless of your roleplay input. You can get a tiny glimpse of that by reading their backgrounds. Scott seems ambitious and potentially jealous (had to sit back while others got the glory) and Sara seems geeky (fangirling over the scientists). I don't understand this decision. |
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Post by dalinne on Feb 5, 2017 20:36:39 GMT
So... 1) I don't mind our those first assignments are predefined. You don't choose where the brass sends you (although, for my Sara I would have prefered to be sent to Arcturus and being all bored about that) 2) But I agree with you it sucks to have a sort of predefined reaction to our first assignments. As BansheeOwnage says: it establishes Scott wanted something more from Arcturus (some kind of glory mission) and Sara is a nerd. If those descriptions were more "neutral", I could roleplay as a nerdy Scott traped in Arcturus and a hotheaded not very keen in science Sara traped among Prothean ruins. Anyway, I've been thinking a lot about those specific backgrounds and I have a theory: maybe it doesn't affect you as much as it affects your NPC sibling's narrative arc. For example: if you play as Scott, we know Sara can't join us in the team for some complications (some people, me included, we thought about physical problems, but what if the problems are related to the implants?). So maybe NPC Sara decides to focus in research and the scientific branch of Andromeda Initiave. At some point of the story, we have to help (or stop) NPC Sara from some scientific discovering of Remnant ruins or a conflict she provokes regarding her experiments. However, if you play as Sara, NPC Scott will focus in a diplomatic branch of Andromeda Initiative. So, at some point of the story, we have to help him (or stop him) in some kind of mission regarding the Kett or the Angara. I bet NPCs Sara and Scott will have some kind of dark conflict in their character's arc. Taking the examples I put, I guess we start thinking Sara has discovered something regarding the Remnants and that's why X is trying to eliminate her and then during that mission we find out Sara was experimenting with Kett prisioners or something like that. With Politician Scott, we thought he was acting very paragon and then we find out he was more like a maquiavelic politician and maybe he used other's Milky Way's races as leverage for other Arc's diplomats or something like that. Sorry for the drama, but I think one of the Ryders has to be a bad guy: if it's not your father, maybe your sibling  See? Because devs could make us suffer without killing family members  |
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