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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 8, 2017 21:55:54 GMT
I'm really not interested in debating this. Then perhaps you shouldn't have proclaimed me wrong with nothing to back it up? Yes you have made that statement. And again, I'll ask for a citation. I'd also like to point out that my original post simply said the seeds were sown for her ongoing involvement. It didn't say that anything was definitively planned, because that kind of planning rarely pans out. Was she a "sweet innocent snowflake" in Origins? Or was she sent by the Chantry (or someone else) to spy on the warden's activities? Has Leliana ever been what she appears to be? She is probably the most malleable character I've ever encountered in gaming. The warden can harden her (or not), as can the Inquisitor. She can even be appointed the Divine. Stop trying to pick an arguemnt, and derailing the thread. I've already stated TWICE, that she wasn't planned for future games, like you claimed she may have been. If you wish to discuss Leliana, do it in the DA sub-forum. I'm off to have a nice cup of tea and watch Supernatural. Good night! |
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Post by armass81 on Feb 8, 2017 22:28:10 GMT
I pray that youre right, then again the signs are there and Mac Walters is the creative director...  I swear if Cerberus is somehow in the game other than a passing mention, thats one point straight off the score for my review. |
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Post by helios969 on Feb 8, 2017 22:30:56 GMT
I'd be down with Cora being TIM's daughter and just doesn't share his radical ideals (we know Bio loves the daddy issues). She's 2nd in command to PapaRyder but we know we end up leading. This could be why our Ryder bypasses her to take over the Pathfinder role. Perhaps her association comes to light and she's forced to step aside. This could also make for some nice squad tension between you and her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 22:37:53 GMT
Then perhaps you shouldn't have proclaimed me wrong with nothing to back it up? Yes you have made that statement. And again, I'll ask for a citation. I'd also like to point out that my original post simply said the seeds were sown for her ongoing involvement. It didn't say that anything was definitively planned, because that kind of planning rarely pans out. Was she a "sweet innocent snowflake" in Origins? Or was she sent by the Chantry (or someone else) to spy on the warden's activities? Has Leliana ever been what she appears to be? She is probably the most malleable character I've ever encountered in gaming. The warden can harden her (or not), as can the Inquisitor. She can even be appointed the Divine. Stop trying to pick an arguemnt, and derailing the thread. I'm not trying to "pick an argument". I am engaging in a discussion that you started. This is a discussion board, is it not? 1) Yes, you've said that twice. You've yet to provide any proof of your assertion. 2) I'm afraid you'll have to show me this alleged claim. All I've ever done is express an appreciation for threads (or seeds) planted early on that are later developed. When it's well done - and imho, Leliana qualifies - it can also provide a greater sense of continuity in the world. All I've been doing is responding to your posts. What actually started us down this path was your statement: "That is one thing I truely hate about DA....All of the fan-service cameo's and reused writter's pet charactors (I'm looking at you Leliana) only serve to shrink the game World." ... and I offered a different perspective. Enjoy your tea. |
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Post by laxian on Feb 8, 2017 22:43:09 GMT
Perhaps you can point out exactly what it was I said that isn't true. Citation? Indeed, there was a specific circumstance that could result in Leliana's death in DAO: the warden had to corrupt the ashes with Leliana in the party. I've no idea how many players actually did that, or whether it really occurred to the writers that that would make her unavailable in future games unless they rezzed her somehow. Rezzing characters is not difficult to do in a fantasy world (or Sci-Fi either, apparently, as ME's Lazarus Project exemplifies). Series writers often plant little details in their stories that may or may not be developed later. I happened to enjoy Leliana's character arc. I'm really not interested in debating this. I've already stated that DA:O was originally supposed to be a stand alone game....a fact stated by the Dev's: Thus, she wasn't planned for future games. As for her character arc.....what arc? She goes from being a sweet innocent snowflake in Origins, to being full of spite and vengeance in DA:I. That's not a character arc, that's a totall personality flip. Well, her mentor tried to fucking kill her - again! (She left her to die in "Leliana's Song" - and if I remember it right: She tries again in DA:O (the main game) itself) That can flip everybody's shit IMHO (especially with all the fighting etc. - soldiers return from war changed, especially if they've been there long, that's normal - not strange!) greetings LAX ps: You can "unharden" her in DA:I (in fact that's one of the few good parts of that game!) |
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 8, 2017 22:44:09 GMT
Stop trying to pick an arguemnt, and derailing the thread. I'm not trying to "pick an argument". I am engaging in a discussion that you started. This is a discussion board, is it not? 1) Yes, you've said that twice. You've yet to provide any proof of your assertion. 2) I'm afraid you'll have to show me this alleged claim. All I've ever done is express an appreciation for threads (or seeds) planted early on that are later developed. When it's well done - and imho, Leliana qualifies - it can also provide a greater sense of continuity in the world. All I've been doing is responding to your posts. What actually started us down this path was your statement: "That is one thing I truely hate about DA....All of the fan-service cameo's and reused writter's pet charactors (I'm looking at you Leliana) only serve to shrink the game World." ... and I offered a different perspective. Enjoy your tea. THIS is a Mass Effect board. And I didn't start this discussion about Leliana, you did when you decided to nitpick something I wrote in an earlier post. A post I might add, which was related to this topic. A topic that you've since derailed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 23:06:48 GMT
I'm not trying to "pick an argument". I am engaging in a discussion that you started. This is a discussion board, is it not? 1) Yes, you've said that twice. You've yet to provide any proof of your assertion. 2) I'm afraid you'll have to show me this alleged claim. All I've ever done is express an appreciation for threads (or seeds) planted early on that are later developed. When it's well done - and imho, Leliana qualifies - it can also provide a greater sense of continuity in the world. All I've been doing is responding to your posts. What actually started us down this path was your statement: "That is one thing I truely hate about DA....All of the fan-service cameo's and reused writter's pet charactors (I'm looking at you Leliana) only serve to shrink the game World." ... and I offered a different perspective. Enjoy your tea. THIS is a Mass Effect board. And I didn't start this discussion about Leliana, you did when you decided to nitpick something I wrote in an earlier post. Nitpick? I shared my perspective about ongoing characters, which happened to be different from yours. That's the expected normal operation of a discussion board. Arguing about arguing isn't generally productive. I don't agree with your assertion that this thread has been derailed - not by your original statement, and not by any of the discussion that has happened since then. It is not at all uncommon to discuss the handling of certain aspects of character, world-building, and storytelling in other BioWare games (as well as other non-BioWare games). That's probably why you mentioned DA in general (and Leliana in particular) in the first place. But to address Cora Harper in MEA, I'm of 2 minds: 1) Really tired of Cerberus / TIM, and would be pretty happy to never hear about any of that again. 2) Given the omnipresence of Cerberus in the trilogy, it might be hard to believe they would have no involvement whatsoever in the Ai. They do love their sleeper agents... etc. |
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 8, 2017 23:21:36 GMT
THIS is a Mass Effect board. And I didn't start this discussion about Leliana, you did when you decided to nitpick something I wrote in an earlier post. Nitpick? I shared my perspective about ongoing characters, which happened to be different from yours. That's the expected normal operation of a discussion board. Arguing about arguing isn't generally productive. I don't agree with your assertion that this thread has been derailed - not by your original statement, and not by any of the discussion that has happened since then. It is not at all uncommon to discuss the handling of certain aspects of character, world-building, and storytelling in other BioWare games (as well as other non-BioWare games). That's probably why you mentioned DA in general (and Leliana in particular) in the first place. But to address Cora Harper in MEA, I'm of 2 minds: 1) Really tired of Cerberus / TIM, and would be pretty happy to never hear about any of that again. 2) Given the omnipresence of Cerberus in the trilogy, it might be hard to believe they would have no involvement whatsoever in the Ai. They do love their sleeper agents... etc. That's true, they do have sleeper agents. But where can the story possible go with Cerberus at this point? In ME:1 They were a secretive organization who dabbled in things they shouldn't. In ME:2 they were sort of good guys. And then in ME: 3 they wanted to control Reapers to ensure Humans were always on top. I really don't see how this faction can come back from that. And as I said earlier, I'm seriously considering cancelling my pre-order and waiting for reviews because the thought of yet more Cerberus and 'humans are great' rubbish, fills me with a sense of.....dread? I suppose. Really, like you and many others, I'm just tired of Cerberus and their elitist bullshit. They're the Mass Effect equivalent of Fallouts Enclave, and their story is long past it's sell by date. 😊 |
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