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Post by jasonpogo on Feb 5, 2017 15:36:49 GMT
So many people are speculating that Cora is related to the Illusive man and all that. I HOPE that Bioware leaves it at the name and never even bothers to address it any more than that. Cerberus was something from the old trilogy let them stay there. Stuff like this only shrinks the world and the narrative. And we are going to a whole new galaxy!! Kinda a dumb time to shrink the scope of everything.
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Post by urkibalurki on Feb 5, 2017 15:46:05 GMT
As BioFan said in one of his videos, even if Cora is TIM's daughter this doesn't mean she shares her father's ideas. Anyway, I think it's only a coincidence; they just recycled a surname. The Archon and his people are an appropriate replacement for TIM and Cerberus in Andromeda, aren't they?
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Post by jasonpogo on Feb 5, 2017 15:49:51 GMT
I agree but like I said even just the fact that they might say that she is TIM's daughter works to shrink the world of MA. There are billions of humans around but we get the one that is related to TIM? come on. I am just afraid that MA will go the Dragon Age rout. They shrunk that world so much! Every game is the same damn people with a few new ones thrown in.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 5, 2017 15:52:36 GMT
I don't think we need to worry about it really and even if it turns out she's related I'd like to think she did a Miranda and used the AI to get the hell out
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Post by urkibalurki on Feb 5, 2017 15:54:45 GMT
BioWare never correlated Cora Harper with TIM; people in forums like this do, so I'm optimistic about that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 16:04:14 GMT
Bioware's develepers have continuously stated that MEA is a new beginning, a clean slate, so even is they decide to have her related to Jack Harper, it won't be made a very big deal, a few statements from Cora referencing TIM at most is what I would expect if it is true. I hope she isn't related to him and that they make her parents different characters, because if TIM was her father, he and cerberus won't have a role in Andromeda so it would decrease potential content that could be made for her character story (ex. if she had different parents they could potentially appear in Andromeda by being part of the AI as well).
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 5, 2017 16:05:19 GMT
What is Cerberus? They are a human splinter group, who's goal is the advancement of humanity at whatever cost. That's the quick and simple definition of them right? Well there are a few things I would like to note, based on what we've seen so far:
1. Based on his bio Alec Ryder became interested in Artificial Intelligence as a means of human advancement. 2. Cora Harper shares the same last name as The Illusive Man. She is also Alec's 2nd in command. 3. The Andromeda Initiative is not a branch of the human military. 4. The Human Arc is operated by an AI named SAM.
The chances of all these things being a coincidence, is very slim. Given the experiments we saw Cerberus run in ME1 and ME2, going to another galaxy to discover new technology, would be the kind of thing Cerberus would leap at without hesitation. I would actually go as far as to say it would be bad writing, if the Andromeda Initiative weren't connected to Cerberus in at least some way.
Does that mean Cora is going to have the same extreme ideals as daddy? No it doesn't. She could, but I would be very surprised if Cora is a indeed a horrible person with no way of redeeming her throughout the game. If anything, I think the chances of Alec Ryder sharing more of TIMs ideals, is greater than Cora's.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Feb 5, 2017 16:10:16 GMT
I agree but like I said even just the fact that they might say that she is TIM's daughter works to shrink the world of MA. There are billions of humans around but we get the one that is related to TIM? come on. I am just afraid that MA will go the Dragon Age rout. They shrunk that world so much! Every game is the same damn people with a few new ones thrown in. I hope the name is deliberately chosen to troll those who want everyone connected to previous games. Small world syndrome is my biggest non-ending gripe with Mass Effect.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 5, 2017 16:13:24 GMT
I agree but like I said even just the fact that they might say that she is TIM's daughter works to shrink the world of MA. There are billions of humans around but we get the one that is related to TIM? come on. I am just afraid that MA will go the Dragon Age rout. They shrunk that world so much! Every game is the same damn people with a few new ones thrown in. I hope the name is deliberately chosen to troll those who want everyone connected to previous games. Small world syndrome is my biggest non-ending gripe with Mass Effect. I would be a little more keen on considering this, if it weren't for the other things I mentioned. Believe me I'm one of the people who got annoyed at others for thinking Finn was Lando's son, just because he's black. But it would be really weird to give a character the last name of one of your franchises main antagonists, if they weren't connected at all. It's like Rey being a Skywalker, but has no relation to Luke or Anakin.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Feb 5, 2017 16:15:48 GMT
I hope the name is deliberately chosen to troll those who want everyone connected to previous games. Small world syndrome is my biggest non-ending gripe with Mass Effect. I would be a little more keen on considering this, if it weren't for the other things I mentioned. Believe me I'm one of the people who got annoyed at others for thinking Finn was Lando's son, just because he's black. But it would be really weird to give a character the last name of one of your franchises main antagonists, if they weren't connected at all. It's like Rey being a Skywalker, but has no relation to Luke or Anakin. See, that would also be funny as all hell. Guess I'm just a sucker for elaborate trolling.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 5, 2017 16:23:06 GMT
I like for her to be his daughter. I like for my Ryder to encourage her to build Cerberus in Andromeda and eventually be called the Illusive Daughter(TID). excellent.
I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing she has in common with TIM is the last name and nothing more
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Post by saberchic on Feb 5, 2017 16:23:31 GMT
I think that people forget that Bioware does like to reuse names. Remember when we first heard about James Vega? He was James Sanders, and a bunch of people started thinking he was related to Kahlee; Bioware then changed it because of that correlation. Oh, and to use James again... Ashley wrote about a James in a letter, but it wasn't Vega either. However, if she is related, then whatever. As long as Cerberus doesn't become central to the plot, then I'm not gonna freak out about it too much. There are other stories to tell besides Cerberus.
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Post by Adhin on Feb 5, 2017 16:23:33 GMT
I would be a little more keen on considering this, if it weren't for the other things I mentioned. Believe me I'm one of the people who got annoyed at others for thinking Finn was Lando's son, just because he's black. But it would be really weird to give a character the last name of one of your franchises main antagonists, if they weren't connected at all. It's like Rey being a Skywalker, but has no relation to Luke or Anakin. Partially agree on that. Except that 'Harper' is entirely an out of game thing. That is, as far as the main franchise is concerned he's the Illusive Man, not a Harper. If skywalkers name NEVER came up except in some throw away comic book that only some fans and a wiki keeps track of, then yeah. Not the most prominent name in the entire damn movie chain. I mean, as far as 99% of the player base is concerned, Harper is just another last name. So I could see it going either way, them liking the last name and just deciding since it wasn't part of the main game (TIM's actual name) that it was ok to use. Or now, I frankly think it's a damn 50/50. Well I mean it's not, it's set in stone, we just don't know exactly what but yeah... Anyway I hope it's not, I wouldn't find it weird due to the reasons I stated above. It's only weird if you don't realize it's not a remotely prominent part of the series and barely anyone knows about it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 5, 2017 18:09:49 GMT
I hope she is related to TIM but that they respect that Cerberus was tied to the Trilogy just as much as Shepard was and therefore never make a big deal out of it, but just enough clues and reactions from maybe Alec in the game to make people theorize.
If Cerberus becomes a full-blown faction in Andromeda again I almost wanna quit. There's only so many things that can go in the wrong direction before I also give up, despite having been very attached to this series especially in the past.
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Post by LordGunSmith90 on Feb 5, 2017 19:08:27 GMT
They would not have given her that last name if she wasn't somehow related to TIM.
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 5, 2017 19:12:18 GMT
I don't mind a little bit of a mention in MEA. But I don't them anywhere else. I don't want any side quests or have them anywhere in the plot. I hope Cora's last name is just a coincidence or nod TIM. I'm burnt out on them from the previous games. When they said clean slate, I hope that means no Cerberus.
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Post by palinopsia on Feb 5, 2017 20:43:58 GMT
I also don't want anything to do with Cerberus in ME:A but I'm pretty sure Cora is somehow related to TIM. One of the devs even hinted at it on twitter- at least that was the impression I got. They could've picked any other surname, but they went with Harper? I find it very unlikely that that's a coincidence. Of course it doesn't mean Cora shares TIM's ideals and I'm pretty sure it won't be a major plot point, BUT the whole Andromeda Initiative sounds very Cerberus-y anyway, and wasn't it privately funded and working separately from the Systems Alliance? To me that practically confirms it.
And then there's the whole AI thing. It seems very likely that Cerberus had something to do with this whole expedition to Andromeda, and Cora being the second-in-command for the Pathfinder AND sharing a last name with TIM doesn't look like a coincidence to me... But then again, this is all speculation. They might just mention it in the game and that could be it. Doesn't have to be a big deal at all.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Feb 5, 2017 21:41:51 GMT
Well... you never know with EAWARE But yeah, I'd like for it to be a completely clean slate as well now.
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Post by davkar on Feb 5, 2017 22:01:29 GMT
I don't know. Most of the options feel like a been-there-done-that. Cerberus operative, daddy issues (A "he's a supremacist beep, I'm nothing like him", B "I never knew my dad" - but the players know about the connection), XO to the protagonist? Secret agent (/LI) working for her people, potentially turning against the pc at some point? Sound familiar? It would make sense for TIM to embed agents in the AI, but after ME3 I just don't want to deal with Cerberus anymore. So I hope it's just coincidence/clever tactic on BW's part to fuel the Cora hype.
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Post by lamer on Feb 5, 2017 22:44:50 GMT
Why not?
I Need A Piece Of Drama! C'MON BIOWARE!Punch me straight in the face with one drama!
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Post by geezer117 on Feb 5, 2017 23:00:43 GMT
Great stories have conflicts and subplots. Given TIM's obsession with advancing the interests of humans, it would be strange if he didn't send an agent or two on the Andromeda mission to promote human interests. And what better agent than a relative? Cora needn't be a daughter; could be a niece. Anyway, a key character promoting human interests would make a fertile subplot and could lead to fertile conflicts. It's all politics and does not have to be in-your-face Cerberus.
It would be a strange plot with no politics, given the hyper-political Council species all trying to advance their own species' interests. ME:A without conflict between the species would not be believable. Give it a chance, people. A vanilla pablum story is uninteresting.
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 6, 2017 4:58:22 GMT
I wouldn't mind if they turned her into TIM's daughter(or some family relation).
However I really wouldn't want to see her just become "The Illusive Woman". TIM was a fine enough character(at least in ME2), but we already have seen that character for 2 out of 3 Mass Effect games.
I'd like to see new characters, not just them rehashing the old ones with new faces.
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Post by Gludipow on Feb 6, 2017 6:15:35 GMT
I think I read a theory somewhere where they think Cora Harper could be some kind of clone or genetic project to do with Eva Core. If you haven't read the Mass Effect comics, that might be confusing. Since the only one with that name was the robot EDI took over in ME3. But Eva Core was actually the name of the woman TIM fell in love with when he was still just Jack Harper. It would be interesting if that were the case. It wouldn't be a super-direct relation to TIM, but it would still be one.
Who knows, maybe the discovery to Cora's relation with Cerberus might be why she is passed up for the Pathfinder promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 8:23:18 GMT
I REALLY hope we can change her hair more than whether or not she came from TIM loins.
Seriously my Ryder would need a case of viagra just to bed dat shit.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 6, 2017 8:29:29 GMT
I wouldn't mind at all if she turns out to be TIM's daughter sent to Andromeda, with the proviso that Cerberus is handled with more nuance than at times in the main trilogy(especially ME3).
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