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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 23, 2017 0:45:01 GMT
Whew! That was kinda intense. But you did quite well. I was fortunate to not have anyone die my first time. Was still nervous through the whole thing though. And what the hell, all Jack says is Hey? After that? Pretty sure that's a bug. I've gotten her line after the SM before, but it seems to get overridden by "hey" for some reason. A suggestion going into 3: might be good to keep your Shepard's face code handy, in case she doesn't import properly.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 0:50:31 GMT
dragontartareI did everyone's LM though... And although the import gave me a splash in each category when I began, I was max paragon at the end and 60% renegade. I don't think the import gave me that much of a gain. At the start, I was picking neutral options most of the time. Then I was picking Paragon options most of the time. By the end, I was picking a mix of all three. I think it was more timing of the LMs? I did them kinda late for the two arguments: Miranda vs Jack and Tali vs Legion, with the latter not being able to happen till pretty much end game anyway, I'm not sure how I could have messed that one up without being Neutral the entire game. I haven't started. I took a break to eat and call my husband. I want to write up my impressions of ME2, and then start ME3. So, that was a vote for staying in this thread, right? You had started two different ones so I thought I'd mimic. But you're all here already
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 0:52:39 GMT
Whew! That's was kinda intense.But you did quite well.I was fortunate to not have anyone die my first time. Was still nervous through the whole thing though. And what the hell, all Jack says is Hey? After that? Pretty sure that's a bug. I've gotten her line after the SM before, but it seems to get overridden by "hey" for some reason. A suggestion going into 3: might be good to keep your Shepard's face code handy, in case she doesn't import properly. It was nerve wracking! I honestly thought I was going to kill 50% of the people! Especially when Legion bit it and I was like...well. I obviously don't make great decisions here. Oh, so she DOES say something different. I thought they were trying to imply she was that big of a hard ass. like, "Blew up a Collector ship, just another Tuesday for Jack."
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I just want to point out the following: This thread, page 1: Jacob meets my romancing standards Compare to now: And actually, I picked Jacob kinda hoping he'd die lol. Oh, Jacob, you manage to do it every time. :D :devil: :D Yep, that's precious... I also remember telling her on like page 2 to at least wait till she meets Thane....
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 23, 2017 1:09:37 GMT
dragontartare I did everyone's LM though... And although the import gave me a splash in each category when I began, I was max paragon at the end and 60% renegade. I don't think the import gave me that much of a gain. At the start, I was picking neutral options most of the time. Then I was picking Paragon options most of the time. By the end, I was picking a mix of all three. I think it was more timing of the LMs? I did them kinda late for the two arguments: Miranda vs Jack and Tali vs Legion, with the latter not being able to happen till pretty much end game anyway, I'm not sure how I could have messed that one up without being Neutral the entire game. I haven't started. I took a break to eat and call my husband. I want to write up my impressions of ME2, and then start ME3. So, that was a vote for staying in this thread, right? You had started two different ones so I thought I'd mimic. But you're all here already ?? But I did their loyalty missions, too. It's not as if I neglected parts of the game. The way the morality points were explained to me, "a splash in each" is probably plenty to put you over the edge. I mean, was there ever a time that both the paragon and renegade dialogue choices were grayed out for you? What matters is not how full the bar is, but what percent of the available morality points you have chosen. If you started the game with even just a bit in each category, then you're already starting with well over 100% paragon and well over 100% renegade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 1:11:18 GMT
Whew! That's was kinda intense.But you did quite well.I was fortunate to not have anyone die my first time. Was still nervous through the whole thing though. Pretty sure that's a bug. I've gotten her line after the SM before, but it seems to get overridden by "hey" for some reason. A suggestion going into 3: might be good to keep your Shepard's face code handy, in case she doesn't import properly. It was nerve wracking! I honestly thought I was going to kill 50% of the people! Especially when Legion bit it and I was like...well. I obviously don't make great decisions here. Oh, so she DOES say something different. I thought they were trying to imply she was that big of a hard ass. like, "Blew up a Collector ship, just another Tuesday for Jack." Lead on, Commander, lead on. We're all right behind you.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 1:17:09 GMT
So... Impressions. Shepherd is not the Warden. Not Hawke. Not even the Quiz. S/he is a soldier and the way each dialogue line was spoken kinda drilled that in. Sometimes, it really worked. But other times, when I feel like Joker is being hilarious and I just want to joke right back- na uh. DENIED. I got be the big boss lady who tells people to settle down and get focused. It makes no sense for Shepherd to not want to be a leader, so that dialogue isn't available. But maybe.. I mean, they could have done something different here. Shepherd gave her life to save the world from Soveriegn and the Geth. She wasn't even allowed to stay dead, some asshole science lab smacked her back together and put her to work, manipulating her the whole time. She didn't even work for the Alliance/The Council anymore. This could have been a point where s/he stood and said, "I've given enough. I'm going to sit this one out." LOL then there'd be no game but I really wish ANY hint of resentment was allowed to come through about, well, anything. Even if it was just a conversation with Joker about some doubts, that owuld have made me happy. And Shepherd isn't funny. Ever. All the companions, but especially Joker, got to be these gregarious hilarious unique people and I just got to be... The Intense Soldier of "Get back to work and move out." Which I guess matched Thane's comment about my being a Death Angel ... but that was the only benefit! I don't know if playing 100% Renegade would have made it better. Being a jerk can sometimes be pretty funny, but I wish that isn't what it would take. A while back someone also said this was a short game. 4 Main Mission Main Plot Forward Momentum thinggies with a crap ton of companion content in between. I liked the major choice missions best. Decided the fate of the Geth, The Krogan, The Quarians... I forget anything? I really liked the Krogan. Had a lot of Star Trek Klingon similarities. Jacob, Tali, Garrus, and Jack's missions were pretty dark but in a different way each time. I like just enough darkness to keep you aware of the losses. Not so much darkness it makes me cry for half an hour like in TW3. Hearing Loghain's voice say things I liked for a change actually improved my opinion of Loghain. YEs, I know that makes no sense. I was sad that the background dialogue of crewmen ran out pretty darn quick. Everyone's "I got nothing to say" was pretty lame, especially Garrus, EXCEPT for Mordin. His Go Away message always actually made me want to leave in alarm or amusement. I never read a single codex, but I read all the messages. I liked my fish and space hamster. It was pretty clear from my suicide mission comments who I liked best among the companions. Grading Graphics etc would be silly. The game graphics/CC creator were slightly better than DAO, DA2 was better, but this game came out before DA2. I liked that the repeatable romance scene has three dialogue choices. I also liked that it wasn't just making out, at least, it wasn't with Thane. I got to sit with him, hold his hands, we asked how each of us were doing. There could have been coffee and it'd be a coffee date every time. The way his features changed when he said he wanted to see a desert was the most touching. The culmination scene was a bit...so so. I liked that Thane got to air his doubts/fears about dying. I'm annoyed I also couldn't be weak in front of my lover, but ya know.. I'm the solider, can't ever break. Any questions about my thoughts on anything in particular, I will be happy to drag my memories up to let ya guys know.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 1:19:04 GMT
?? But I did their loyalty missions, too. It's not as if I neglected parts of the game. The way the morality points were explained to me, "a splash in each" is probably plenty to put you over the edge. I mean, was there ever a time that both the paragon and renegade dialogue choices were grayed out for you? What matters is not how full the bar is, but what percent of the available morality points you have chosen. If you started the game with even just a bit in each category, then you're already starting with well over 100% paragon and well over 100% renegade. I guess I don't understand the points then. Only once were the dialogue greyed out, at Tali's hearing with the Admirals, I wasn't allowed to pick Renegade.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 1:25:41 GMT
Whoa, checked out the graph of the suicide mission. Literally 100% of people can die, including Shepherd.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 23, 2017 1:28:10 GMT
?? But I did their loyalty missions, too. It's not as if I neglected parts of the game. The way the morality points were explained to me, "a splash in each" is probably plenty to put you over the edge. I mean, was there ever a time that both the paragon and renegade dialogue choices were grayed out for you? What matters is not how full the bar is, but what percent of the available morality points you have chosen. If you started the game with even just a bit in each category, then you're already starting with well over 100% paragon and well over 100% renegade. I guess I don't understand the points then. Only once were the dialogue greyed out, at Tali's hearing with the Admirals, I wasn't allowed to pick Renegade. I didn't understand the points either, until it was too late. Next time I'll have an ME1 import though, so...live and learn, I guess. Your thread title doesn't specify which ME game, so you might as well continue here
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 23, 2017 1:31:11 GMT
So... Impressions. Shepherd is not the Warden. Not Hawke. Not even the Quiz. S/he is a soldier and the way each dialogue line was spoken kinda drilled that in. Sometimes, it really worked. But other times, when I feel like Joker is being hilarious and I just want to joke right back- na uh. DENIED. I got be the big boss lady who tells people to settle down and get focused. It makes no sense for Shepherd to not want to be a leader, so that dialogue isn't available. But maybe.. I mean, they could have done something different here. Shepherd gave her life to save the world from Soveriegn and the Geth. She wasn't even allowed to stay dead, some asshole science lab smacked her back together and put her to work, manipulating her the whole time. She didn't even work for the Alliance/The Council anymore. This could have been a point where s/he stood and said, "I've given enough. I'm going to sit this one out." LOL then there'd be no game but I really wish ANY hint of resentment was allowed to come through about, well, anything. Even if it was just a conversation with Joker about some doubts, that owuld have made me happy. And Shepherd isn't funny. Ever. All the companions, but especially Joker, got to be these gregarious hilarious unique people and I just got to be... The Intense Soldier of "Get back to work and move out." Which I guess matched Thane's comment about my being a Death Angel ... but that was the only benefit! I don't know if playing 100% Renegade would have made it better. Being a jerk can sometimes be pretty funny, but I wish that isn't what it would take. These complaints about Shep are pretty common. A lot of people feel like Shep is too bland and generic. While I wasn't particularly bothered by this, I do agree with it. There are a few chances to be funny but they really are far and few between and most of them are more snark than real humor. That said, Shepard can pull off a pretty great prank in Thane's LM. Yea, I wonder if they ran out of time or budget but I find it weird that mordin is the only one with multiple busy lines. Seems like an easy thing to do for the rest of them. In any case, that is one issue, I feel they really fixed in ME3. You'll see. What did you think of the music so far (especially compared to DA)? EDIT: Just by the way, I had the exact same outcome as you did the first time I went through the suicide mission. Legion died in the tube, everyone else lived. Only difference was, for me Legion died because he wasn't loyal. I stood with Tali during their argument on the Normandy because I figured Shep would still very much doubt the Geth after ME1. I think it's somewhat more fitting to have at least one death. It's a suicide mission after all. Just getting everyone through it alive seems ... dramatically underwhelming.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 1:31:13 GMT
Okay then! Impressions given, dinner eaten, phone used for making updates on thread is charging.
[uLet's go start Mass Effect 3.[/u][/b]
By the way, if I don't bawl big sad tears at Thane's death, I am crying foul. MAKE ME SAD BIOWARE. Then we know you've touched my heart.
EDT add: Downgraded my huge text because I didn't start yet. Needed to install a controller mod.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 23, 2017 1:34:20 GMT
Okay then! Impressions given, dinner eaten, phone used for making updates on thread is charging. Let's go start Mass Effect 3. By the way, if I don't bawl big sad tears at Thane's death, I am crying foul. MAKE ME SAD BIOWARE. Then we know you've touched my heart. Yay! You didn't say which DLCs you have/plan to play, though.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 23, 2017 1:37:42 GMT
Erg, late but: There are actually 2 repeatable cuddle-like scenes with your LI after the SM. Just go to Shepard's cabin and next to the terminal there will be an option to call Thane up, then activate the couch and the bed to see them. Hope you enjoy 3 -- the ride isn't over yet!
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 1:39:11 GMT
So... Impressions. Shepherd is not the Warden. Not Hawke. Not even the Quiz. S/he is a soldier and the way each dialogue line was spoken kinda drilled that in. Sometimes, it really worked. But other times, when I feel like Joker is being hilarious and I just want to joke right back- na uh. DENIED. I got be the big boss lady who tells people to settle down and get focused. It makes no sense for Shepherd to not want to be a leader, so that dialogue isn't available. But maybe... And Shepherd isn't funny. Ever. These complaints about Shep are pretty common. A lot of people feel like Shep is too bland and generic. While I wasn't particularly bothered by this, I do agree with it. There are a few chances to be funny but they really are far and few between and most of them are more snark than real humor. That said, Shepard can pull off a pretty great prank in Thane's LM. Yea, I wonder if they ran out of time or budget but I find it weird that mordin is the only one with multiple busy lines. Seems like an easy thing to do for the rest of them. In any case, that is one issue, I feel they really fixed in ME3. You'll see. What did you think of the music so far (especially compared to DA)? Ohh, that's funny! I went ahead and used the renegade prompt, and just punched him unconscious and kept walking... Wasn't the worst thing I'd done using the renegade prompt I'm glad to hear they improved ^^ Music, tough question. What music did I like the the DA series...or rather, what do I even remember----For DAO, The romantic moment music as well as when Leliana burst out into song had me super rapt. The music assigned to each companion in DA2, especially Fenris. DAI..finding Skyhold and Trespasser. To answer your question, I can't remember any particular music from ME2 except that there was "appropriate" music played throughout and I did manage to find one station I liked in my Captain's Quarters. I thought it would play during my romantic scene but it did not.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 1:40:40 GMT
dragontartareOh, I should buy Citadel if it's not included. Does any of the other content add more companion content or is it just another mission? SpiritVanguardOh! I'll load back up and now and go do that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 1:41:22 GMT
So... Impressions. Shepherd is not the Warden. Not Hawke. Not even the Quiz. S/he is a soldier and the way each dialogue line was spoken kinda drilled that in. Sometimes, it really worked. But other times, when I feel like Joker is being hilarious and I just want to joke right back- na uh. DENIED. I got be the big boss lady who tells people to settle down and get focused. It makes no sense for Shepherd to not want to be a leader, so that dialogue isn't available. But maybe.. I mean, they could have done something different here. Shepherd gave her life to save the world from Soveriegn and the Geth. She wasn't even allowed to stay dead, some asshole science lab smacked her back together and put her to work, manipulating her the whole time. She didn't even work for the Alliance/The Council anymore. This could have been a point where s/he stood and said, "I've given enough. I'm going to sit this one out." LOL then there'd be no game but I really wish ANY hint of resentment was allowed to come through about, well, anything. Even if it was just a conversation with Joker about some doubts, that owuld have made me happy. And Shepherd isn't funny. Ever. All the companions, but especially Joker, got to be these gregarious hilarious unique people and I just got to be... The Intense Soldier of "Get back to work and move out." Which I guess matched Thane's comment about my being a Death Angel ... but that was the only benefit! I don't know if playing 100% Renegade would have made it better. Being a jerk can sometimes be pretty funny, but I wish that isn't what it would take. A while back someone also said this was a short game. 4 Main Mission Main Plot Forward Momentum thinggies with a crap ton of companion content in between. I liked the major choice missions best. Decided the fate of the Geth, The Krogan, The Quarians... I forget anything? I really liked the Krogan. Had a lot of Star Trek Klingon similarities. Jacob, Tali, Garrus, and Jack's missions were pretty dark but in a different way each time. I like just enough darkness to keep you aware of the losses. Not so much darkness it makes me cry for half an hour like in TW3. Hearing Loghain's voice say things I liked for a change actually improved my opinion of Loghain. YEs, I know that makes no sense. I was sad that the background dialogue of crewmen ran out pretty darn quick. Everyone's "I got nothing to say" was pretty lame, especially Garrus, EXCEPT for Mordin. His Go Away message always actually made me want to leave in alarm or amusement. I never read a single codex, but I read all the messages. I liked my fish and space hamster. It was pretty clear from my suicide mission comments who I liked best among the companions. Grading Graphics etc would be silly. The game graphics/CC creator were slightly better than DAO, DA2 was better, but this game came out before DA2. I liked that the repeatable romance scene has three dialogue choices. I also liked that it wasn't just making out, at least, it wasn't with Thane. I got to sit with him, hold his hands, we asked how each of us were doing. There could have been coffee and it'd be a coffee date every time. The way his features changed when he said he wanted to see a desert was the most touching. The culmination scene was a bit...so so. I liked that Thane got to air his doubts/fears about dying. I'm annoyed I also couldn't be weak in front of my lover, but ya know.. I'm the solider, can't ever break. Any questions about my thoughts on anything in particular, I will be happy to drag my memories up to let ya guys know. It'll be interesting to see what changes about your opinions of it after you do ME3. Just a thought... you may want to read some of the codex entries now... even just the primary ones. It'll help to have to of that added background info going into ME3. Hale and Meer deliver some of the lines quite differently. Most people seem to prefer Hale, but I personally like Meer's delivery better. There are some funny lines (mostly on the renegade side) but it's knowing when and when not to pick them (after a number of playthroughs) where one can mix and match things to create a more individual personality for Shep. The paraphrases don't always telegraph well what is about to be said (or done... in the case of interrupts). I agree that it would have been nice if the squad could have had some unique bit of dialogue after essentially every mission. ME1 has even a little bit less that way. I really think the size of the cast caused the dialogue budget to get stretched too thin overall. ETA: A lot of the dialogue is "hidden" - that is, you have to take different pairs of squadmates on the various missions to hear all of it. The same is true of ME3... certain pairs will yield different banter (and sometimes even significantly more banter) on some missions.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 23, 2017 1:46:14 GMT
I think it's somewhat more fitting to have at least one death. It's a suicide mission after all. Just getting everyone through it alive seems ... dramatically underwhelming. That's what happens when I play ME2. I recruit only 8 squadmates which I have by the time I get to Horizon. I don't recruit anyone else. So somone dies because I don't have shields for the Normandy
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 23, 2017 1:53:57 GMT
Erg, late but: There are actually 2 repeatable cuddle-like scenes with your LI after the SM. Just go to Shepard's cabin and next the terminal there will be an option to call Thane up, then activate the couch and the bed to see them. Hope you enjoy 3 -- the ride isn't over yet! WHAT. *loads up ME2* ... Well, those were some awkward animations dragontartare Oh, I should buy Citadel if it's not included. Does any of the other content add more companion content or is it just another mission? SpiritVanguard Oh! I'll load back up and now and go do that! Leviathan has a few extra romance lines if you do it after locking in your romance (which I didn't...too impatient), but since you're with Thane, I'm not sure how that would work. From Ashes technically adds companion content since you get a new companion. That new companion gets some additional scenes in Citadel DLC, too. Definitely get Citadel, though, if nothing else. And of course, extended cut (it's free, but you have to download it).
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 1:57:14 GMT
I think it's somewhat more fitting to have at least one death. It's a suicide mission after all. Just getting everyone through it alive seems ... dramatically underwhelming. That's what happens when I play ME2. I recruit only 8 squadmates which I have by the time I get to Horizon. I don't recruit anyone else. So somone dies because I don't have shields for the Normandy No worries on that front. If I ever conscript Zaeed again, he's going to die. Possibly Jacob and Miranda too. There will always be a death on my suicide missions. I guess that says I'll play it again. I wanna see if Renegade Shepherd is better and maybe try a different romance.
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Post by melbella on Feb 23, 2017 2:01:57 GMT
Okay then! Impressions given, dinner eaten, phone used for making updates on thread is charging. Let's go start Mass Effect 3. By the way, if I don't bawl big sad tears at Thane's death, I am crying foul. MAKE ME SAD BIOWARE. Then we know you've touched my heart.
Oh man, that was great! I was still at work while all this was going on, so I didn't have to deal with the suspense like everyone else.
Only 1 death going in blind is definitely good. I lost both Jack and Miranda in my first game (Jack during The Long Walk and Miranda while holding the line, I think).
Onward!
Mini-spoiler for Thane romance in ME3:
If you don't bawl your eyes out during his death scene, you definitely will during Citadel DLC (but only if you don't romance anyone else).
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Feb 23, 2017 2:04:57 GMT
WHAT. *loads up ME2* ... Well, those were some awkward animations Haha ...yeah. Just to expand a bit: the Citadel dlc does have a story but also A LOT of squad/character content, including romantic -- as long as your LI is locked in.
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Post by phoray on Feb 23, 2017 2:11:24 GMT
Erg, late but: There are actually 2 repeatable cuddle-like scenes with your LI after the SM. Just go to Shepard's cabin and next the terminal there will be an option to call Thane up, then activate the couch and the bed to see them. WHAT. *loads up ME2* ... Well, those were some awkward animations dragontartare Oh, I should buy Citadel if it's not included. Does any of the other content add more companion content or is it just another mission? SpiritVanguard Oh! I'll load back up and now and go do that! Leviathan has a few extra romance lines if you do it after locking in your romance (which I didn't...too impatient), but since you're with Thane, I'm not sure how that would work. From Ashes technically adds companion content since you get a new companion. That new companion gets some additional scenes in Citadel DLC, too. Definitely get Citadel, though, if nothing else. And of course, extended cut (it's free, but you have to download it). LOL I had the same thought! Didn't like sitting in Thane's lap at all. The bed one was better till I realized my Shepherd kept humping his thigh. All freebies downloaded and purchased Citadel. I dunno if just a few lines is worth $10. I'll play through with the freebies + Citadel, then if I love it all, I'll buy Leviathin for a second PT. Which I'm sort of already planning. Renegade Shepherd that makes Jacob, Miranda, and Zaeed miserable and intentionally choose things to make them die on the Suicide Mission.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 23, 2017 2:12:26 GMT
I just want to point out the following: This thread, page 1: Compare to now: Oh, Jacob, you manage to do it every time. ROFL I was kinda thinking about that when I wrote that I'd hope he'd die. How the feelings did change... I disliked him more and more as the game went on. How irritatingly solider and bland he was. How a Merc soldier got to come in my Com room and try to tell me what to do. GRR. I also disliked Zaeed for just being irredeemably awful. And Miranda just seems too weak and robotic to like. Oh, Jacob. Disappointing everyone by being an enormous tool even in ME2.
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