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Post by lastpawn on Feb 11, 2017 4:27:34 GMT
Because a significant part of gameplay will, apparently, involve exploring "new" planets in the Helius Cluster, something that might be interesting to address in Andromeda is the naming of these locations.
As you might know, there's a place called America in our (real) world. It's generally thought that "America" comes from Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian explorer who spent time in the Americas shortly after Columbus. Of course, America already had people living in it. Pre-Columbian population estimates have varied widely over the years, from ~10 to well over 100+ million, with most contemporary guesses being in the 50+ million range. The point is, indigenous groups living in North and South America already had names for the rivers, mountains, and regions of their land.
Anyway, we're going to the Helius Cluster in Andromeda, right? Isn't it likely that the sapient species of Helius Cluster will have their own names for that region? I don't expect anything big around this, but it would be an interesting dimension to the whole "explorer/colonialist" perspective to find out what the local species have named their worlds.
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 11, 2017 13:57:18 GMT
I'm kind of interested if Andromeda inhabitants have their name for Milky Way (they should unless they're unwashed savages).
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 11, 2017 14:10:00 GMT
Because a significant part of gameplay will, apparently, involve exploring "new" planets in the Helius Cluster, something that might be interesting to address in Andromeda is the naming of these locations. As you might know, there's a place called America in our (real) world. It's generally thought that "America" comes from Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian explorer who spent time in the Americas shortly after Columbus. Of course, America already had people living in it. Pre-Columbian population estimates have varied widely over the years, from ~10 to well over 100+ million, with most contemporary guesses being in the 50+ million range. The point is, indigenous groups living in North and South America already had names for the rivers, mountains, and regions of their land. Anyway, we're going to the Helius Cluster in Andromeda, right? Isn't it likely that the sapient species of Helius Cluster will have their own names for that region? I don't expect anything big around this, but it would be an interesting dimension to the whole "explorer/colonialist" perspective to find out what the local species have named their worlds. Oh man.. that's something I didn't think about. If these planets we're colonizing belong to some other intelligent race, I'm going to feel super guilty just waltzing in and taking their shit. :/
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Post by mango1smoothie on Feb 11, 2017 14:16:57 GMT
Because a significant part of gameplay will, apparently, involve exploring "new" planets in the Helius Cluster, something that might be interesting to address in Andromeda is the naming of these locations. As you might know, there's a place called America in our (real) world. It's generally thought that "America" comes from Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian explorer who spent time in the Americas shortly after Columbus. Of course, America already had people living in it. Pre-Columbian population estimates have varied widely over the years, from ~10 to well over 100+ million, with most contemporary guesses being in the 50+ million range. The point is, indigenous groups living in North and South America already had names for the rivers, mountains, and regions of their land. Anyway, we're going to the Helius Cluster in Andromeda, right? Isn't it likely that the sapient species of Helius Cluster will have their own names for that region? I don't expect anything big around this, but it would be an interesting dimension to the whole "explorer/colonialist" perspective to find out what the local species have named their worlds. Oh man.. that's something I didn't think about. If these planets we're colonizing belong to some other intelligent race, I'm going to feel super guilty just waltzing in and taking their shit. :/ I hope situations like this do happen and present tough choices on the betterment of the Andromeda Initiative or the native species of Andromeda.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 11, 2017 14:23:18 GMT
Oh man.. that's something I didn't think about. If these planets we're colonizing belong to some other intelligent race, I'm going to feel super guilty just waltzing in and taking their shit. :/ I hope situations like this do happen and present tough choices on the betterment of the Andromeda Initiative or the native species of Andromeda. Yeah, it would be better if we could negotiate that sort of thing with the locals.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 11, 2017 14:28:35 GMT
I'm kind of interested if Andromeda inhabitants have their name for Milky Way (they should unless they're unwashed savages). the skid mark galaxy The astronomer who discovered promised his son he would be able to name the discovery and he was 8 years old at the time...he argued with the kid but his wife told him to stop stifling the boy's creativity... Funny story really, they refer to the inhabitants as skiddlers
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Post by mango1smoothie on Feb 11, 2017 14:38:18 GMT
I hope situations like this do happen and present tough choices on the betterment of the Andromeda Initiative or the native species of Andromeda. Yeah, it would be better if we could negotiate that sort of thing with the locals. Milky Way Species negotiating with Kett and Angaran lol.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 11, 2017 15:00:39 GMT
I think one of the major points here has always been that "we're the aliens". If the Andromedans have roughly the same type of planet requirements to live on as we do, they probably would it as taking their territory. Of course, the entire Milky Way wasn't colonized and people were free to do so as they pleased outside of Council space (which would require Council approval). The problem is that we don't know who owns what in Andromeda. I would love to see how we handle these situations.
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Post by Psychedelic on Feb 11, 2017 15:06:23 GMT
Yeah, it would be better if we could negotiate that sort of thing with the locals. Milky Way Species negotiating with Kett and Angaran lol. At least it would provide a good reason for the Kett to oppose us, just being evil because you need a villain doesn't do. Bioware did say there would be more morally grey choices, and if you had to choose between the AI's interests and the local's, that would certainly be more interesting.
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Post by lastpawn on Feb 11, 2017 15:40:16 GMT
Oh man.. that's something I didn't think about. If these planets we're colonizing belong to some other intelligent race, I'm going to feel super guilty just waltzing in and taking their shit. :/ I hope situations like this do happen and present tough choices on the betterment of the Andromeda Initiative or the native species of Andromeda. I also think this could present some interesting choices. Maybe not as blatant as taking over an existing world, but let's say taking over a potential colony planet of an existing species before they manage to colonize it, because we got there first (and we have better guns).
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 11, 2017 15:45:09 GMT
How about long unpronounceable dragon names like Nihiztlydrah'aytcl to torture the tongues of the settlers purely for my own amusement?
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Post by Psychedelic on Feb 11, 2017 15:57:17 GMT
How about unpronounceable Dragon names like Nihiztlydrah'aytcl to torture the tongues of the settlers purely for my own amusement? Morrowind-style names: Assurnabitashpi, Assarnatamat, Bthungthumz, Nchuleftingth... just to name a few. I bet they just did that just to troll us (and because there was no voice-over for the most part).
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Post by mango1smoothie on Feb 11, 2017 16:27:21 GMT
Milky Way Species negotiating with Kett and Angaran lol. At least it would provide a good reason for the Kett to oppose us, just being evil because you need a villain doesn't do. Bioware did say there would be more morally grey choices, and if you had to choose between the AI's interests and the local's, that would certainly be more interesting. I'm really hoping for this I want the Kett and the Andromeda Initiative to be enemies because the Kett feel the milky way species are invading their territory, culture, and beliefs. Instead of some kind of oh the Kett are a super evil authoritarian military state the enslaves the other species of Andromeda.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 11, 2017 16:30:26 GMT
Yeah, it would be better if we could negotiate that sort of thing with the locals. Milky Way Species negotiating with Kett and Angaran lol. Good job he's a great engineer he makes a lousy negotiator.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 11, 2017 16:31:56 GMT
I hope situations like this do happen and present tough choices on the betterment of the Andromeda Initiative or the native species of Andromeda. Yeah, it would be better if we could negotiate that sort of thing with the locals. They might just want us to get lost back to the Milky Way where we came from...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 11, 2017 16:35:17 GMT
I hope situations like this do happen and present tough choices on the betterment of the Andromeda Initiative or the native species of Andromeda. Yeah, it would be better if we could negotiate that sort of thing with the locals. Well I'd think we get the opportunity to play the diplomat a littl bit in some missions. It is after al the main reason why our ship and land vehicle don't have weapons to show the inhabitants that we come in peace
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Post by Muddy Boots on Feb 11, 2017 17:02:29 GMT
It will be interesting to see how they handle this. If we find the "perfect" human planet, but someone else has a few scattered colonies, or maybe they inhabit just a tiny portion of the planet, would it be possible for humans to settle elsewhere without disrupting their lives? Or would we eventually become too invasive. Or would humans just expect the natives to accept and assimilate into our culture? I don't see the Ryders expecting the latter. At least not my Ryders. But maybe the folks heading the AI don't care.
And what about other sapient beings? Maybe there is some sort of sentient flora out there that we could inadvertently destroy because we don't know they have their own way of communication until it's too late.
Honestly, I believe we'll try to negotiate as much as possible, or find uninhabited planets. I don't know how many total planets there are out there, but given enough time we could probably find something humans could live on without a problem. It might not be ideal, but for the time being, maybe it could work. As for the other races coming along with us, well that's their issue. I could see the asari findint a planet with a primitive society, moving in, taking over and "enlightening" the natives.
Turians would take the same natives, get them in line, train them and put them to work. Salarians would move in and study the heck out of them.
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Post by lastpawn on Feb 11, 2017 17:58:59 GMT
Turians would take the same natives, get them in line, train them and put them to work. Salarians would move in and study the heck out of them. Well, we know how Salarians feel about "uplifting" other races to do their bidding. It'd be interesting to see if their colony in Andromeda tries to manipulate existing species.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 11, 2017 20:55:19 GMT
Makes me wonder how many similarities in the story will we get to Pocahontas and Avatar
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 12, 2017 13:59:09 GMT
Makes me wonder how many similarities in the story will we get to Pocahontas and Avatar Ugh. I hope not. I'd really rather not play the role of John Smith/Jake Sully - learning about the indigenous people and then having to defend them against our own "big bad" people. That would really leave a bad taste in my mouth. Gross.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Feb 12, 2017 15:29:27 GMT
Makes me wonder how many similarities in the story will we get to Pocahontas and Avatar YOU AINT IN KANSAS ANYMORE!
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Feb 12, 2017 15:33:27 GMT
I'm kind of interested if Andromeda inhabitants have their name for Milky Way (they should unless they're unwashed savages). The people from the Milky Way will be called 'sleepers' (from the hibernation during the trip) and the newborns will be called whatever golden world they are born on/ near
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Post by zallister on Feb 12, 2017 17:12:37 GMT
Not only Amerka.
One example is Poland. Poland was from time to time a part of other contries and they named cities with other names than the polish People. India and China are good examples, too.
Why?
Because the original names are too difficult to speak for western european People. And we all know mankind: we like it the easy way.
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Post by President of Boom on Feb 12, 2017 17:39:37 GMT
As far as the names go, there is such thing as exonyms, and they don't necessarily have to carry a negative connotation. Greeks, for example, don't call themselves "Greek", the river Danube is not called "Danube" in the countries through which it flows, Japanese don't refer to their country as "Japan" in Japanese etc. As far as potential colonialist attitude of the AI, I really hope it's going to be more like a mutual cooperation or some sort of symbiotic relationship with the local population and not a small-pox-blanket genocide-palooza . I really don't want to end up disliking my fellow humans (well, more than I already do).
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