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Feb 13, 2017 23:07:29 GMT
Post by Morrigan on Feb 13, 2017 23:07:29 GMT
So this AI jacked into your head thing. I know we're far away from the council and their nanny politics, but seriously. This is major. Isn't it?
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Feb 13, 2017 23:34:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 23:34:27 GMT
That and the Dark Horse comic that says the Ai has secrets and was infiltrated by council race operatives.
"A young Turian military recruit goes undercover in order to infiltrate the mysterious Andromeda Initiative—and ultimately retrieve a scientist who’s made a potentially devastating discovery." Curiouser and curiouser.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:37:46 GMT
Post by Muddy Boots on Feb 13, 2017 23:37:46 GMT
It probably is going to have a major impact on the story. Theories abound:
Alec and Ellen Ryder did this on the sly before the Initiative was even founded. Possible, because I imagine it could be something done in secret that doesn't take a lot of room to do. I could be wrong.
Alec found tech somewhere in his wanderings to give him and Ellen a jump on the development.
The Alliance gave sanction to the couple to develop it.
And many other theories, I'm sure.
Either way, SAM's development is going to have enough of an impact that it supposedly has its own story and explanation in game. I look forward to hear it.
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Feb 14, 2017 0:10:43 GMT
Post by Element Zero on Feb 14, 2017 0:10:43 GMT
It really is pretty crazy, though I expect that the scary aspects will be downplayed and/or minimized.
I expect SAM to be the key to our protagonist's versatility, as well as to provide an insane number of other benefits. I don't expect BioWare to explore the dangers of having an AI wired into the minds of this crew. They might touch on our fears, but I doubt it will be a big focus.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 14, 2017 0:14:25 GMT
It really is pretty crazy, though I expect that the scary aspects will be downplayed and/or minimized. I expect SAM to be the key to our protagonist's versatility, as well as to provide an insane number of other benefits. I don't expect BioWare to explore the dangers of having an AI wired into the minds of this crew. They might touch on our fears, but I doubt it will be a big focus. It wasn't in Mass Effect 3 even though Shepard's implants were far more involved then SAMs seems to be, plus the constant threats of hacking, indoctrination, and Miranda even mentioned the possibility of a 'control chip'.
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Feb 14, 2017 0:36:10 GMT
Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 14, 2017 0:36:10 GMT
The AI is smart. It's an excuse for everything convenient for the gameplay. You get all your upgrade thingies handled by it and every side-objective you do lets it send the info right back to HQ so it says "quest complete!" the second you pick up an item and stuff. I bet it also lets you have conversations with everyone across the cluster without having to meet them.
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Post by kino on Feb 14, 2017 0:37:55 GMT
It really is pretty crazy, though I expect that the scary aspects will be downplayed and/or minimized. I expect SAM to be the key to our protagonist's versatility, as well as to provide an insane number of other benefits. I don't expect BioWare to explore the dangers of having an AI wired into the minds of this crew. They might touch on our fears, but I doubt it will be a big focus. It reminds me of Javik's conversation about the Zha'til.
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Feb 14, 2017 0:43:51 GMT
Post by 10k on Feb 14, 2017 0:43:51 GMT
Me personally think it's just EAware ignoring lore once again, which is expected by now. Andromeda seems to be running parallel to ME2 timeline. During ME2 EDI, and AI in general, were stigmatized. I don't understand how everyone is just so accepting of having an AI implanted into their bodies. It ridiculous, and doesn't make sense.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 14, 2017 0:49:38 GMT
Me personally think it's just EAware ignoring lore once again, which is expected by now. Andromeda seems to be running parallel to ME2 timeline. During ME2 EDI, and AI in general, were stigmatized. I don't understand how everyone is just so accepting of having an AI implanted into their bodies. It ridiculous, and doesn't make sense. Ryder (and a handfull of people on the Pathfinder team) is everyone now?
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Feb 14, 2017 0:53:05 GMT
Post by Element Zero on Feb 14, 2017 0:53:05 GMT
Me personally think it's just EAware ignoring lore once again, which is expected by now. Andromeda seems to be running parallel to ME2 timeline. During ME2 EDI, and AI in general, were stigmatized. I don't understand how everyone is just so accepting of having an AI implanted into their bodies. It ridiculous, and doesn't make sense. I can see how this little crew, maybe, accepts it. You have Alec Ryder's kids; his loyal 2nd in command with whom he may have history/experience (maybe not); etc... If he has the trust of Jien Garson, I can see how the higher-ups could be sold on SAM's benefits. It's tough to sell a large number of people, though, on this tech. Then again, it's only the Pathfinder teams that use SAM. That means a tiny handful of operatives out of the entire AI that are implanted with the tech. Who knows how many people handle the data and actually know from where it comes? Its definitely crazy, but the entire AI is crazy. Why let a little thing like the 22C advent of the zha'til stop you from coming? I'm curious to see if and how fears concerning SAM are addressed.
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Feb 14, 2017 0:59:26 GMT
Post by 10k on Feb 14, 2017 0:59:26 GMT
Ryder (and a handfull of people on the Pathfinder team) is everyone now? I was using "everyone" as a generality, not that I actually meant everyone in the entire game. But still those few, and the people around them, still have no objections that an AI is being implanted into their brains? Yeah so believable
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Post by 10k on Feb 14, 2017 1:02:05 GMT
I can see how this little crew, maybe, accepts it. You have Alec Ryder's kids; his loyal 2nd in command with whom he may have history/experience (maybe not); etc... If he has the trust of Jien Garson, I can see how the higher-ups could be sold on SAM's benefits. It's tough to sell a large number of people, though, on this tech. Then again, it's only the Pathfinder teams that use SAM. That means a tiny handful of operatives out of the entire AI that are implanted with the tech. Who knows how many people handle the data and actually know from where it comes? Its definitely crazy, but the entire AI is crazy. Why let a little thing like the 22C advent of the zha'til stop you from coming? I'm curious to see if and how fears concerning SAM are addressed.I doubt it will.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 14, 2017 1:07:26 GMT
Ryder (and a handfull of people on the Pathfinder team) is everyone now? I was using "everyone" as a generality, not that I actually meant everyone in the entire game. But still those few, and the people around them, still have no objections that an AI is being implanted into their brains? Yeah so believable i actually just double checked because i wasn't sure but SAM is not implanted in anyone's heads.
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It ridiculous, and doesn't make sense. Cerberus involvement confirmed.
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Post by 10k on Feb 14, 2017 1:34:29 GMT
I was using "everyone" as a generality, not that I actually meant everyone in the entire game. But still those few, and the people around them, still have no objections that an AI is being implanted into their brains? Yeah so believable i actually just double checked because i wasn't sure but SAM is not implanted in anyone's heads. There is a neural implant that is connected to Sam. This implant is within the path finder's brain Sam sees and feels as ryder does. It has direct access to the user's brain offering advice to situations, technical enhancements, etc... So technically it is within their brains. It's an AI, what's stopping it from causing harm? It's funny though we have the quarians, the main race who dealt with AI, not trust AI. We have cerberus, an organization who uses everything at their disposal, but still don't trust AI. We also have the council and basically the entire galaxy that don't trust AI. But Alec ryder, a vet from the first contact war, knows everything about AI that he trust to invent one and put a neural implant in his children that gives this thing access to their sensory nervous system. it's crazy to me.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 14, 2017 1:38:41 GMT
i actually just double checked because i wasn't sure but SAM is not implanted in anyone's heads. There is a neural implant that is connected to Sam. This implant is within the path finder's brain Sam sees and feels as ryder does. It has direct access to the user's brain offering advice to situations, technical enhancements, etc... So technically it is within their brains. It's an AI, what's stopping it from causing harm? It's funny though we have the quarians, the main race who dealt with AI, not trust AI. We have cerberus, an organization who uses everything at their disposal, but still don't trust AI. We also have the council and basically the entire galaxy that don't trust AI. But Alec ryder, a vet from the first contact war, knows everything about AI that he trust to invent one and put a neural implant in his children that gives this thing access to their sensory nervous system. it's crazy to me. i have a feeling the relationship between Sam Alec is muuuuccch more complicated. But other than that the link is for communication only.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 1:44:34 GMT
That and the Dark Horse comic that says the Ai has secrets and was infiltrated by council race operatives.
"A young Turian military recruit goes undercover in order to infiltrate the mysterious Andromeda Initiative—and ultimately retrieve a scientist who’s made a potentially devastating discovery." Curiouser and curiouser. When he finally finds out the secret, he realizes that the Ai departed and he's on board.
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Feb 14, 2017 1:45:42 GMT
Post by 10k on Feb 14, 2017 1:45:42 GMT
i have a feeling the relationship between Sam Alec is muuuuccch more complicated. But other than that the link is for communication only. No it's not. In the teammate briefing trailer it says: sam see and feels what ryder does, it provides him with advance situation awareness, problem solving, and tactical enhancements. Sam is connected to ryder's nervous system through the neural implant.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 14, 2017 1:48:26 GMT
i have a feeling the relationship between Sam Alec is muuuuccch more complicated. But other than that the link is for communication only. No it's not. In the teammate briefing trailer it says: sam see and feels what ryder does, it provides him with advance situation awareness, problem solving, and tactical enhancements. Sam is connected to ryder's nervous system through the neural implant. that's communication. Ryder is in full control of the system just Sam recieves information and makes a suggestion to Ryder and then tells the implants what to do in the event Ryder takes him up on the offer. Communication.
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Feb 14, 2017 1:57:20 GMT
Post by PermTrouble on Feb 14, 2017 1:57:20 GMT
SAM fittin' to be ol Space Dad. Just you watch
Space Dad gets killed but uploads his conciousness to SAM, and tells Cora to screw off. Only Space Spawn gonna get his ultimate power
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Post by 10k on Feb 14, 2017 1:57:53 GMT
that's communication. Ryder is in full control of the system just Sam recieves information and makes a suggestion to Ryder and then tells the implants what to do in the event Ryder takes him up on the offer. Communication. "Tactical enhancements" isn't just the receiving of information. Sam is involved in Ryder's sensory processes.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 14, 2017 3:49:10 GMT
that's communication. Ryder is in full control of the system just Sam recieves information and makes a suggestion to Ryder and then tells the implants what to do in the event Ryder takes him up on the offer. Communication. "Tactical enhancements" isn't just the receiving of information. Sam is involved in Ryder's sensory processes. Tactical enhancements is likely just in-lore buzzwords for "hey, you can change your class in the menu now."
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Post by colfoley on Feb 14, 2017 4:00:41 GMT
You know the more I think about it the more I think these odditities are 'intentional'. Its sort of a weird way of building hype, and I think it goes back to something I heard about the ME 3 endings...not sure if its legitimate of course, but the claim was advanced that Mac Walters basically came in and said 'speculation for all' or something to that effect. Which is a terrible way to end a game, but an interesting way to Market one. Because there are issues. There are a few issues in the lore where the Marketing seems to be pointing towards an answer but not really providing one. This is one such example. Because Sam does not seem to quite fit the lore, but yet, the information provided seems to point towards an answer. So...we are discussing it, specualating on it, and thus thinking about the game.
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