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Post by uralue42 on Feb 19, 2017 13:02:28 GMT
By the time this thread was created there has already a lot of speculation going around about this topic, especially since Coras last name was revealed as "Harper", the same as the Illusive Man's. Then I noticed this in the gameplay trailer:  The M-25 Hornet. A Cerberus weapon.  The Hornet appeared first in Mass Effect 3 after the arks and the nexus have left, so they couldn't be be salvaged and re-engineered. So to get access to the M-25 the Andromeda Initiative must have ties to Cerberus. This brings me to the topic of this thread. I think the coincidences are to great (meaning Cerberus gun, Cora Harper, etc.) for Cerberus not to be involved, even if BW stated in a tweet before that their involvement would be unlikely. There's something shady about the Initiative and I don't fully trust SAM either. So what do you think? Is Cerberus involved? Do you have more clues, 'cause I would love to see them. (I'm also adding a poll, just to have a clear indicator of what you think) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:05:05 GMT
The Hornet is a good find; but perhaps the Cerberus production was a bootleg, and some other company was already making the original model around the time the AI left?
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Post by Arcian on Feb 19, 2017 13:07:22 GMT
Super MAC can't help himself, he will insert Cerberus into literally everything.
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 19, 2017 13:18:57 GMT
This could be a more innocent and respectable action by the Illusive man to ensure the survival of humanity even if the Reapers win, and to possibly protect his own blood (Cora), by funding the Initiative and sending her with it.
Alternatively, this is some kind of long term power play or 'long game' by the Illusive Man to ensure humanity acquires the power of that strange object in the center of the Helios Cluster. The Illusive Man is well aware by the time this plan plays out he'll be long gone, but this is a way to continue his legacy and try set in motion events that will lead to humanity becoming dominant. He sent Cora there so she can make sure his plan is successful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:23:46 GMT
... or all the little things that look like clues, including the Hornet, Cora's last name, and a few other things, are nothing more than coincidences -- and the reason why they're there is because the writers were careless, and weren't even aware that the fans would interpret them all as telltale signs.
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 19, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
... or all the little things that look like clues, including the Hornet, Cora's last name, and a few other things, are nothing more than coincidences -- and the reason why they're there is because the writers were careless, and weren't even aware that the fans would interpret them all as telltale signs. It could be that, but whether Cerberus is involved or not one thing is clear, the strange, giant object in the Helios Cluster is gotta be the real reason the Andromeda Initiative is going there, and not for the innocent reason of exploration for exploration's sake. Keep in mind that those Initiative videos with the inspirational music are meant to be advertisements set in the Mass Effect universe, so its likely that they're not being entirely truthful in them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:38:11 GMT
I agree that after everything, it would be weirder if they aren't involved at all. But without TIM, I doubt the organization would be as ruthlessly effective (if you can call them effective  ). Then again, this time I want to meet Illusive Aliens, instead of making humanity great again. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:42:14 GMT
Keep in mind that those Initiative videos with the inspirational music are meant to be advertisements set in the Mass Effect universe, so its likely that they're not being entirely truthful in them. Oh yes absolutely; and if they're planning to make use of it that way, it's a pretty clever touch. So far all the in-universe 'facts' that we know come from those 'ads'. |
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Post by urkibalurki on Feb 19, 2017 13:48:11 GMT
Some time ago I saw a tweet by Ian Frazier that said Cerberus isn't involved at all with Andromeda Initiative, so I'm pretty sure we'll never hear about Cerberus in ME:A. Too busy with Project Lazarus and building the Normandy SR2: this is what I remember Frazier said in that tweet.
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Post by kevpool184 on Feb 19, 2017 13:50:35 GMT
... or all the little things that look like clues, including the Hornet, Cora's last name, and a few other things, are nothing more than coincidences -- and t he reason why they're there is because the writers were careless, and weren't even aware that the fans would interpret them all as telltale signs. Bingo!* A weapon is no indication at all and lightyears away from being anything close to a proof. After all, we got the reegar carbine as well, though until now no relatives of good ol' reegar were shown. So, i gotta repeat myself from the other Ceberus-Thread, couldeth we stopeth with this Cerberus-Shyte?
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 19, 2017 13:56:35 GMT
Some time ago I saw a tweet by Ian Frazier that said Cerberus isn't involved at all with Andromeda Initiative, so I'm pretty sure we'll never hear about Cerberus in ME:A. Too busy with Project Lazarus and building the Normandy SR2: this is what I remember Frazier said in that tweet. But wasn't Lazarus just one cell of many in Cerberus? In ME2 we only see what Lazarus is doing, and the Illusive Man doesn't talk about the other cells to Shepard, who knows what they could've been up to. |
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Post by urkibalurki on Feb 19, 2017 14:02:12 GMT
Some time ago I saw a tweet by Ian Frazier that said Cerberus isn't involved at all with Andromeda Initiative, so I'm pretty sure we'll never hear about Cerberus in ME:A. Too busy with Project Lazarus and building the Normandy SR2: this is what I remember Frazier said in that tweet. But wasn't Lazarus just one cell of many in Cerberus. In ME2 we only see what Lazarus is doing, and the Illusive Man doesn't talk about the other cells to Shepard, who knows what they could've been up to. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. If Ian Frazier said Cerberus is NOT involved, that means Cerberus is NOT involved. Or do you want to question Frazier's word about that? As Lance "Ryder" Wilson said above, Cora's surname, the Hornet and other little things are simple coincidences; so here I'm also quoting kevpool184: couldeth we stopeth with this Cerberus-Shyte? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:03:48 GMT
So, i gotta repeat myself from the other Ceberus-Thread, couldeth we stopeth with this Cerberus-Shyte?
Sorry for the needless pedantry, but the verbs that end in -eth are 3rd person singular endings, so they wouldn't apply to 1st person plural. Those archaicisms would work this way: Thou goest too far with this Cerberus-Shyte! or Couldst thou stop with this Cerberus-Shyte? or He goeth too far with this Cerberus-Shyte! |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 19, 2017 14:04:22 GMT
They took a dump on the lore and made the impossible possible as always.
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Post by urkibalurki on Feb 19, 2017 14:06:16 GMT
So, i gotta repeat myself from the other Ceberus-Thread, couldeth we stopeth with this Cerberus-Shyte?
Sorry for the needless pedantry, but the verbs that end in -eth are 3rd person singular endings, so they wouldn't apply to 1st person plural. Those archaicisms would work this way: Thou goest too far with this Cerberus-Shyte! or Couldst thou stop with this Cerberus-Shyte? or He goeth too far with this Cerberus-Shyte! Humpf, I quoted that myself - but hey, I'm Italian; I don't know anything about ancient english. |
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Post by Cyberstrike on Feb 19, 2017 14:07:50 GMT
IMHO I think at best Cerberus might have put up some money and some their tech into the AI program and used some of tech the AI developed to help them with Project Lazarus and EDI, and EVA, but I don't see them having a bigger role than that.
As too the guns Cerberus buys guns and then modifies them for their own troops. They did that with Mattok AR why can't they do with the Hornet SMG?
Also is Cora Harper being related TIM has that even been officially confirmed by BioWare or is it just fan speculation? I mean Harper is a fairly common last name.
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Post by wolfsite on Feb 19, 2017 14:14:01 GMT
IMHO I think at best Cerberus might have put up some money and some their tech into the AI program and used some of tech the AI developed to help them with Project Lazarus and EDI, and EVA, but I don't see them having a bigger role than that. As too the guns Cerberus buys guns and then modifies them for their own troops. They did that with Mattok AR why can't they do with the Hornet SMG? Also is Cora Harper being related TIM has that even been officially confirmed by BioWare or is it just fan speculation? I mean Harper is a fairly common last name. Canada's last Prime Minister was a Harper. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:16:15 GMT
Also is Cora Harper being related TIM has that even been officially confirmed by BioWare or is it just fan speculation? I mean Harper is a fairly common last name. Absolutely; and here are some Mouth Harpers in various styles: |
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 19, 2017 14:20:30 GMT
But wasn't Lazarus just one cell of many in Cerberus. In ME2 we only see what Lazarus is doing, and the Illusive Man doesn't talk about the other cells to Shepard, who knows what they could've been up to. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. If Ian Frazier said Cerberus is NOT involved, that means Cerberus is NOT involved. Or do you want to question Frazier's word about that? As Lance "Ryder" Wilson said above, Cora's surname, the Hornet and other little things are simple coincidences; so here I'm also quoting kevpool184: couldeth we stopeth with this Cerberus-Shyte?He could always be lying. |
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Post by tjmitchem on Feb 19, 2017 14:21:53 GMT
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Post by armass81 on Feb 19, 2017 14:25:37 GMT
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Post by jastall on Feb 19, 2017 15:21:16 GMT
At most I'd be OK with Cerberus covertly putting money on the project (ensures Humanity's survival) and Core being his estranged daughter, or maybe some sort of plant.
What I absolutely don't want to see is secret Cerberus cells in the Hyperion or other such nonsense. Keep it as background and nothing else.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 19, 2017 15:21:38 GMT
I like for Cerberus to be in the game. I like for my Ryder to wear Cerberus armor. I like for my Ryder to have a TIM poster in her/his cabin. I like for my Ryder to walk around the ship wearing a humanity #1 t-shirt. I like for Cora to be seen wearing a black dress/skirt with a drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other making plans to rebuild Cerberus in Andromeda. Of course my Ryder will help.
But as I've posted a few times, I can see Cerberus being mentioned in a couple lines of dialogue and/or in the codex. That's all.
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Feb 19, 2017 15:23:41 GMT
... or all the little things that look like clues, including the Hornet, Cora's last name, and a few other things, are nothing more than coincidences -- and the reason why they're there is because the writers were careless, and weren't even aware that the fans would interpret them all as telltale signs. This is what I think. They just put the hornet in there because they might as well. It's a part of the ME universe and they probably have every other gun from 2 and 3 as well, so why not? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:29:08 GMT
... or all the little things that look like clues, including the Hornet, Cora's last name, and a few other things, are nothing more than coincidences -- and the reason why they're there is because the writers were careless, and weren't even aware that the fans would interpret them all as telltale signs. This is what I think. They just put the hornet in there because they might as well. It's a part of the ME universe and they probably have every other gun from 2 and 3 as well, so why not? It could be that a designer pulled it out of a folder full of gun assets, added some polygons to it for the new engine, and just plugged it into the game -- without someone knowledgeable about the lore/codex etc. warning him/her that it was introduced previously as a Cerberus product. |
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