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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 16:25:09 GMT
One of the early rumored leaks (from someone who supposedly saw gameplay) mentioned Cerberus shuttles, Cora's last name is Harper, and the upcoming plot of one of the books deals with a Turian who goes undercover to investigate something sinister within the Andromeda Initiative.
I'm hoping Cerberus won't be in the game, but I'm worried that we haven't heard the last from Mac's favorite writer's pet. What's the point of even going to Andromeda if you're going to take one of the largest pieces of baggage from the Shepard trilogy along for the ride?
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 19, 2017 16:34:57 GMT
3 Shell Toilet Paper on Tempest, Cerberus Confirmed.
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Post by kevpool184 on Feb 19, 2017 16:51:50 GMT
So, i gotta repeat myself from the other Ceberus-Thread, couldeth we stopeth with this Cerberus-Shyte?
Sorry for the needless pedantry, but the verbs that end in -eth are 3rd person singular endings, so they wouldn't apply to 1st person plural. Those archaicisms would work this way: Thou goest too far with this Cerberus-Shyte! or Couldst thou stop with this Cerberus-Shyte? or He goeth too far with this Cerberus-Shyte! Ha, the more you know. No need to apologise, i'm simply just as far from being a native as cerberus is from Andromeda, so thanks for the correction, good man.
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Post by TaliWhacker on Feb 19, 2017 17:00:27 GMT
Feel free to disagree with me because I can't recall the source (might be from a BioFan video) but a dev stated that the Illusive Man was too busy and cerberus's funds were too tied up with Project Lazarus for him to be a part of it. I honestly don't want them to be a part of it. There is nothing new that cerberus can bring, we have seen all they have to offer. I think it would be better to have a covert group of Rogue STG or Turian Blackwatch that has an anti-human agenda. That would be new. Also if Cora is Jack Harpers kid, I want her to have no idea. Like if she was born after he went to the first contact war and then he completely disappeared as the Illusive Man. Miranda already gave us the running from super powerful daddy storyline. I want new stuff, not the rehashing off old stuff. To be clear I am totally cool with shady shit happening in the andromeda initiative, I just don't want cerberus anywhere near it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Feb 19, 2017 17:08:25 GMT
IMHO I think at best Cerberus might have put up some money and some their tech into the AI program and used some of tech the AI developed to help them with Project Lazarus and EDI, and EVA, but I don't see them having a bigger role than that. As too the guns Cerberus buys guns and then modifies them for their own troops. They did that with Mattok AR why can't they do with the Hornet SMG? Also is Cora Harper being related TIM has that even been officially confirmed by BioWare or is it just fan speculation? I mean Harper is a fairly common last name. Canada's last Prime Minister was a Harper. I can think of other Harpers in fiction Roy Harper aka Speedy and Arsenal in the Green Arrow comics and Arrow TV show, and in the 80s sit-com Mama's Family had a whole family of Harpers including the matriarch Thelma Harper, her son Vince, his kids and wife, and her 2 daughters.
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Post by uralue42 on Feb 19, 2017 17:20:55 GMT
Canada's last Prime Minister was a Harper. I can think of other Harpers in fiction Roy Harper aka Speedy and Arsenal in the Green Arrow comics and Arrow TV show, and in the 80s sit-com Mama's Family had a whole family of Harpers including the matriarch Thelma Harper, her son Vince, his kids and wife, and her 2 daughters. Yes that is a good point, but if you're writing a story you always have to be careful with how you name your characters. You don't just give one of the squadmates the same name as one of the main villans. For all we know, Arterius (Sarens last name) could be a common turian name and if Vetras last name was "Arterius" instead of "Nyx" people would instantly think they are involved somehow. My point is, when writing a story don't give two important chraracters the same surname, even if it is a extremely common surname, unless these two characters are indeed related.
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Post by TaliWhacker on Feb 19, 2017 17:33:38 GMT
IMHO I think at best Cerberus might have put up some money and some their tech into the AI program and used some of tech the AI developed to help them with Project Lazarus and EDI, and EVA, but I don't see them having a bigger role than that. As too the guns Cerberus buys guns and then modifies them for their own troops. They did that with Mattok AR why can't they do with the Hornet SMG? Also is Cora Harper being related TIM has that even been officially confirmed by BioWare or is it just fan speculation? I mean Harper is a fairly common last name. Canada's last Prime Minister was a Harper. I always knew Canada was up to something. No one is that polite.
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Post by derrame on Feb 19, 2017 17:50:06 GMT
it's posible that they are involved but they don't have any authority in the iniciative i really hope Cerberus is not in Andromeda at all, that story ended
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Post by illusivecake on Feb 19, 2017 18:28:54 GMT
At most I'd be OK with Cerberus covertly putting money on the project (ensures Humanity's survival) and Core being his estranged daughter, or maybe some sort of plant.What I absolutely don't want to see is secret Cerberus cells in the Hyperion or other such nonsense. Keep it as background and nothing else. Like a ficus? I apologize that was terrible and I am ashamed.. In all seriousness, I agree with everything you just said and I think it's really weird that they'd give Cora the same last name as TIM and have it just be nothing. Especially since they insist on inserting book lore in the games despite the fact that lots of people don't even read said books. And then don't elaborate on it in game... It could just be a red herring, but I'm kind of thinking maybe some of the Ryder family mystery/secrets could have Rydad involved with Cerberus at some point in his past. Or maybe he was just friends with Jack Harper before he became you know who? Hopefully it will just be hinted at and not a major plot point at all.
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Post by kevpool184 on Feb 19, 2017 18:30:44 GMT
I can think of other Harpers in fiction Roy Harper aka Speedy and Arsenal in the Green Arrow comics and Arrow TV show, and in the 80s sit-com Mama's Family had a whole family of Harpers including the matriarch Thelma Harper, her son Vince, his kids and wife, and her 2 daughters. Yes that is a good point, but if you're writing a story you always have to be careful with how you name your characters. You don't just give one of the squadmates the same name as one of the main villans. For all we know, Arterius (Sarens last name) could be a common turian name and if Vetras last name was "Arterius" instead of "Nyx" people would instantly think they are involved somehow. My point is, when writing a story don't give two important chraracters the same surname, even if it is a extremely common surname, unless these two characters are indeed related. Not trying to be rude, but you're definitely overestimating the capabilities of Bioware's writers when you think something like that can't or shouldn't happen.
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Post by abedsbrother on Feb 19, 2017 18:41:02 GMT
Cerberus weapons and armor were available in ME1 (though you need to use console commands to access their stuff). So the requisitions officer in charge of outfitting the Andromeda project probably included some of their weapons because why not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 19:35:15 GMT
We are not going to see old style Cerberus but I believe some of their agents infiltrated the inititative to bring the idea of Cerberus in Andromeda. This doesn't mean that we are going to have Cerberus there in the same way,fashion and name. I believe that Alec was a cerberus agent back in the Milky Way. Also Cerberus weapons in Andromeda before they were massively produced and used in ME3 war? Yeah not suspicious at all. I think that Cerberus infiltrated part of the human side of the Initiative.
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Post by Arcian on Feb 19, 2017 19:55:41 GMT
We are not going to see old style Cerberus but I believe some of their agents infiltrated the inititative to bring the idea of Cerberus in Andromeda. This doesn't mean that we are going to have Cerberus there in the same way,fashion and name. I believe that Alec was a cerberus agent back in the Milky Way. Also Cerberus weapons in Andromeda before they were massively produced and used in ME3 war? Yeah not suspicious at all. I think that Cerberus infiltrated part of the human side of the Initiative. And people ask me why I think ME:A's story is going to suck more than ME3's. They could've just as well called it Mass Effect: Cerberus.
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Post by President of Boom on Feb 19, 2017 20:11:20 GMT
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 19, 2017 20:20:16 GMT
Haven't they like already said Cerberus is not going to be involved?
Too bad, in my opinion. Though I'm sure there's a reason for it and we get new, perhaps similar, factions, that hopefully will not be treated as so black and white as Cerberus was in ME3.
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Post by SKAR on Feb 19, 2017 20:34:32 GMT
cerberus may have manufactured it but that doesn't mean they're involved. The devs haven't confirmed anything.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 19, 2017 20:41:36 GMT
We've seen the shades of grey with Cerberus and know they have ties in everything throughout the Milky Way Galaxy. It's like an semi evil political party. It doesn't mean they have a big influence in the game. There will certainly be people with Cerberus ties. Didn't Alec Ryder know Jack Harper aka The Illusive Man anyways before he became the head of Cerberus? Which could also explain why Alec Ryder has Cora Harper as his second in command?
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Post by vonuber on Feb 19, 2017 21:07:10 GMT
Doesn't a big accident happen to the human Ark? If it kills a load of people, Cerberus must be involved.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 19, 2017 22:10:37 GMT
If Cerberus would make any such plan it would've been to sabotage all other arks, not the human one.
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Post by laxian on Feb 19, 2017 22:43:52 GMT
This could be a more innocent and respectable action by the Illusive man to ensure the survival of humanity even if the Reapers win, and to possibly protect his own blood (Cora), by funding the Initiative and sending her with it. Alternatively, this is some kind of long term power play or 'long game' by the Illusive Man to ensure humanity acquires the power of that strange object in the center of the Helios Cluster. The Illusive Man is well aware by the time this plan plays out he'll be long gone, but this is a way to continue his legacy and try set in motion events that will lead to humanity becoming dominant. He sent Cora there so she can make sure his plan is successful. Not necessarily - with cybernetics (and the stuff that brought Shepard back) he might live more or less forever (kind of like the keepers and the collectors, he's not above using Reaper-Tech after all!) Still, I could see him playing "the long game" (isn't his GF an Asari (and a Matriarch)?)...he is intelligent enough to consider his own life meaningless in the long run (he would probably sacrifice himself if it made what he wants come to pass (humanity being at least as strong as the other council races - or stronger if possible!)) greetings LAX
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 19, 2017 22:50:10 GMT
he is intelligent enough to consider his own life meaningless in the long run (he would probably sacrifice himself if it made what he wants come to pass (humanity being at least as strong as the other council races - or stronger if possible!)) greetings LAX Yeah, the Illusive Man wasn't an entirely bad guy, even at the very end if you Paragon or Renegade him hard enough he's still there...same with Saren.
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Post by laxian on Feb 19, 2017 22:59:33 GMT
he is intelligent enough to consider his own life meaningless in the long run (he would probably sacrifice himself if it made what he wants come to pass (humanity being at least as strong as the other council races - or stronger if possible!)) greetings LAX Yeah, the Illusive Man wasn't an entirely bad guy, even at the very end if you Paragon or Renegade him hard enough he's still there...same with Saren. Indeed, he was just damned missguided (probably by the beginning of indoctrination taking route...I don't believe the damned Bratalyst when it says that he was fully indoctrinated!), but not a total puppet of the Reapers (hell, he messed with their control signals for their fucking troops and made his own husks more or less!) greetings LAX
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 19, 2017 23:24:31 GMT
The illusive man also was not indoctrinated before and during the conception of the Andromeda Initiative. Cerberus is like any real life government lobbyist group or organization that has a great deal of power. The Illusive man has influences everywhere as splinter agents or just funding any cause that may advance his interests. I doubt there's any mal intent but it's naive to think there's no involvement. It would be a little dull if there isn't.
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Post by Gray Jedi on Feb 19, 2017 23:49:27 GMT
The illusive man could have given the AI program the resources it needed to get the project going and to build the arks he has plenty of money to spare after all he put trillions into bringing back shep.
I don't want them to rehash cerberus im fine with some mentions but new story new enemy's i don't want cerberus showing up and taking the spotlight away from the kett and having to beat them yet again.
As for Cora if she is the illusive man daughter it doesn't mean she is working for cerberus we known she has worked with Asari commandos so she might not share the same pro human views as him. Maybe she wanted to join the program to get away from her father.
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 19, 2017 23:52:45 GMT
As I've said in other threads, I think there are some Cerberus moles or sympathizers among the thousands of humans in the Ark BUT I don't think they were involved with creating the Initiative. But, it's B, probably C level story this time. Been there, done that but a connection to the original trilogy makes sense and logically TIM would know about the A:I and probably want to be involved.
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