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Post by Kimberly on Feb 20, 2017 23:56:55 GMT
I have a PS4. I have no interest in getting a Pro.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 1:15:10 GMT
Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. I'm gunna stick it out with my PS4. For one it'd just bankrupt me getting a 4K TV and Pro, when it's arguable it isn't really worth it given the base PS4 still. Ideally Andromeda looks fantastic no matter what platform it's played on. Have to wait and see
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 21, 2017 2:51:00 GMT
Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. I'm gunna stick it out with my PS4. For one it'd just bankrupt me getting a 4K TV and Pro, when it's arguable it isn't really worth it given the base PS4 still. Ideally Andromeda looks fantastic no matter what platform it's played on. Have to wait and see It's really not going to look that much better on the Pro. The visuals will be slightly crisper due to double the resolution, but that's it. The textures will be the same and the performance will be the same. Only PC will likely have better textures and an unlocked framerate, provided you have a powerful enough rig that can handle it. MEA is going to still look pretty on all of the platforms.
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Post by Crim on Feb 21, 2017 4:01:41 GMT
I have a PS4. I have no interest in getting a Pro. This.
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Post by The Twilight God on Feb 21, 2017 4:04:03 GMT
Pc will be bugged and plagued and you will spend more time tweaking than playing. PS4 pro is very impressive, this coming from a longtime pc guy. We'll I'm a "PC Guy" and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Is tweaking the part where I select the highest graphics setting? Or is it the part where I customize my controller buttons? Because that's pretty much all I do. The only game I've ever had an issue with was KOTOR on PC back when I had Vista. I'm not sure how Bioware even got away with releasing that game. There should have been a class action lawsuit against them as the game was literally unplayable without player made patches to fix it.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 21, 2017 4:42:37 GMT
Was that just a Vista thing? KotOR ran fine on XP out of the box.
But yeah, I haven't had to tweak anything on my PC for a Bio game since DA:O had trouble with my dual cores. I suppose console guys need to think that we're plagued with issues.
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Post by SilJeff on Feb 21, 2017 4:56:16 GMT
The regular since I can't afford a PS4 Pro yet. But I definitely want to play it on a Pro
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 21, 2017 19:08:29 GMT
Was that just a Vista thing? KotOR ran fine on XP out of the box. But yeah, I haven't had to tweak anything on my PC for a Bio game since DA:O had trouble with my dual cores. I suppose console guys need to think that we're plagued with issues. Anytime someone claims they are a "PC guy" and then goes on a tangent about how the PC is "plagued with issues" and the PS4 Pro version is "superior," I instantly know they are talking BS. Personally, I've never had any issues running KOTOR I or II on my PC, whether it's Windows 10, 7, or otherwise. I did have to modify the games to run at a higher resolution, but that's merely because 2K resolutions weren't a thing in 2003 and 2004. As far as tweaking options and graphical settings, that's merely to make the game run better and look even prettier than it ever could on consoles. Somehow, console gamers will always try to use that as a criticism and downside of PC gaming, since all they do is pop a disc in and start playing. The only reason a game will be bad on PC is if it's a bad port that was rushed out the door. The perfect example of that is Batman Arkham Knight. Those kinds of situations are few and far between, as most PC ports are just fine and work exceptionally well. 98% of the games I've played on PC run just fine with no issues at all. Of course, consoles aren't safe from bad ports either. I've played quite a few games on consoles over the years that could barely maintain a steady 30 fps due to poor optimization and largely because the hardware wasn't powerful enough to render the game.
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Post by Psychevore on Feb 21, 2017 19:12:26 GMT
PS4 Pro, though I have a PC that would probably be able to run it on quite high settings, though not on 4K
I don't have a 4K TV though. That's something for later. I bought the Pro version because I didn't have a PS4 and it felt a little ridiculous to buy an underspecced console while a better one was available.
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Post by crom on Feb 21, 2017 19:22:22 GMT
Was that just a Vista thing? KotOR ran fine on XP out of the box. But yeah, I haven't had to tweak anything on my PC for a Bio game since DA:O had trouble with my dual cores. I suppose console guys need to think that we're plagued with issues. Anytime someone claims they are a "PC guy" and then goes on a tangent about how the PC is "plagued with issues" and the PS4 Pro version is "superior," I instantly know they are talking BS. Personally, I've never had any issues running KOTOR I or II on my PC, whether it's Windows 10, 7, or otherwise. I did have to modify the games to run at a higher resolution, but that's merely because 2K resolutions weren't a thing in 2003 and 2004. As far as tweaking options and graphical settings, that's merely to make the game run better and look even prettier than it ever could on consoles. Somehow, console gamers will always try to use that as a criticism and downside of PC gaming, since all they do is pop a disc in and start playing. The only reason a game will be bad on PC is if it's a bad port that was rushed out the door. The perfect example of that is Batman Arkham Knight. Those kinds of situations are few and far between, as most PC ports are just fine and work exceptionally well. 98% of the games I've played on PC run just fine with no issues at all. Of course, consoles aren't safe from bad ports either. I've played quite a few games on consoles over the years that could barely maintain a steady 30 fps due to poor optimization and largely because the hardware wasn't powerful enough to render the game. Lord really you guys have that much of an ego and thin skin... didn't say it was superior but after all these years of bad ports coming to the pc it gets a bit old waiting for patches to get a smooth experience. Yes I am a pc guy my sim pit and oculus rift have allot of use. I am simply stating the pro is bringing about a good direction with these new games having much higher res and HDR. Don't worry I'll be getting this title both on console and pc like I always do. DAI was plagued with pretty bad utilization and over heating cpus, this being the same engine I am hopeful bioware learned the lessons of the past in regards to that. De Oppreso Libre
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 21, 2017 19:53:39 GMT
Anytime someone claims they are a "PC guy" and then goes on a tangent about how the PC is "plagued with issues" and the PS4 Pro version is "superior," I instantly know they are talking BS. Personally, I've never had any issues running KOTOR I or II on my PC, whether it's Windows 10, 7, or otherwise. I did have to modify the games to run at a higher resolution, but that's merely because 2K resolutions weren't a thing in 2003 and 2004. As far as tweaking options and graphical settings, that's merely to make the game run better and look even prettier than it ever could on consoles. Somehow, console gamers will always try to use that as a criticism and downside of PC gaming, since all they do is pop a disc in and start playing. The only reason a game will be bad on PC is if it's a bad port that was rushed out the door. The perfect example of that is Batman Arkham Knight. Those kinds of situations are few and far between, as most PC ports are just fine and work exceptionally well. 98% of the games I've played on PC run just fine with no issues at all. Of course, consoles aren't safe from bad ports either. I've played quite a few games on consoles over the years that could barely maintain a steady 30 fps due to poor optimization and largely because the hardware wasn't powerful enough to render the game. Lord really you guys have that much of an ego and thin skin... didn't say it was superior but after all these years of bad ports coming to the pc it gets a bit old waiting for patches to get a smooth experience. Yes I am a pc guy my sim pit and oculus rift have allot of use. I am simply stating the pro is bringing about a good direction with these new games having much higher res and HDR. Don't worry I'll be getting this title both on console and pc like I always do. DAI was plagued with pretty bad utilization and over heating cpus, this being the same engine I am hopeful bioware learned the lessons of the past in regards to that. De Oppreso Libre Nothing about ego or thin skin. I was merely pointing out you were over-exaggerating problems on the PC, as many console gamers tend to do. As I said, 98% of ports I have played on PC have always been fine. Only on occasion with a publisher/developer release a bad port, such as Batman Arkham Knight, which was absolutely terrible for many months. I'd appreciate the Pro far more if it was actually a legitimate upgrade to the PS4. As it stands, I don't see the value in the system unless you don't already have a PS4. The PS4 Pro is largely only capable of upscaled 4K, which actually doesn't look that much better than 1080p. There are only a few games (ESO and TLOU) that are capable of actual native 4K, which would show a significant boost in detail and clarity. Given that MEA is far more graphically taxing than either of those two games, which have been out for years, it's guaranteed MEA will have upscaled 4K on the PS4 Pro (the hardware isn't a significant upgrade over the PS4). This would make the Pro look marginally better over the PS4. HDR is also possible on the standard PS4, so again this constant praising of Sony about the PS4 Pro is misplaced and over-the-top. Not to mention, the Xbox One S is also capable of HDR and upscaled 4K, and it can even use UHD Blu-Rays, where the PS4 Pro cannot. I personally think they are both a waste of money, as only the PC is actually capable of true native 4K on all games. It just makes more sense in terms of money to skip the Pro and stick with the standard PS4.
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Post by crom on Feb 21, 2017 20:12:50 GMT
That's your opinion, I test quite a bit with the pro and their is a big difference between 1080p and 1800p or actual 4K. Either way not the point of the thread. PS4 pro is a great product it's the PS4 that should of came out in the beginning. Again MEA will look great either way but will look even more amazing at 4K and hdr.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 21, 2017 20:20:58 GMT
I have a PS4. I have no interest in getting a Pro. Why? I bought mine new for $320 and sold my 4 year old ps4 for $250 on letgo which is full retail value right now. $70 delta has been a pretty slim price to pay for a noticeable upgrade in visuals, twice the amount of storage, and extra boosts in performance.
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Post by The Twilight God on Feb 22, 2017 6:57:38 GMT
Was that just a Vista thing? KotOR ran fine on XP out of the box. But yeah, I haven't had to tweak anything on my PC for a Bio game since DA:O had trouble with my dual cores. I suppose console guys need to think that we're plagued with issues. I think you're had the XP version, which was released earlier, is different. Everything worked great on XP. This one was newer release that was supposed to work with Vista.
I also had a slight problem with a newer version of Balder's Gate that's on one disk. The game worked fine, but it came with an expansion pack. Problem is the expansion reverted the game back to the old 90's version; the version with like 8 CD's. Now I happen to have that version, but if you didn't it effectively made the game unplayable as it would ask for individual CDs that obviously aren't included because the game is on a single disk. So Bioware ships a new version of the game with an old version of the expansion. So there was absolutely ZERO testing done.
What pissed me off was I loaded the expansion because I reached a certain experience cap and thought I could go much further with the expansion and reach a higher level. So not only did the expansion NOT allow me to go beyond whatever level cap was present (because I could get more experience, but it stops 1 experience from the next level), but I had to swap CDs every 5 minutes because disk back in the day apparently could only hold a 100 kb or something. Luckily, I was at the end of the game by this point, but if I didn't already have the older game version from when it first released I would have had to start over.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 22, 2017 7:06:52 GMT
That's your opinion, I test quite a bit with the pro and their is a big difference between 1080p and 1800p or actual 4K. Either way not the point of the thread. PS4 pro is a great product it's the PS4 that should of came out in the beginning. Again MEA will look great either way but will look even more amazing at 4K and hdr. It is not an opinion. Upscaled 4K, which is primarily all the Pro is capable of, is marginally better looking than 1080p. Now, if the Pro was capable of rendering all games in native 4K, I'd agree with you. You would notice an immediate difference because the resolution would actually be four times greater. The reality is the image is not significantly better because the console isn't powerful enough to render most games at native 4K. If Sony actually wanted to make a true 4K console, it would have been a lot more expensive. Again, the only reason to actually buy a Pro and not be ripped off is if you did not already own a standard PS4. Otherwise, it's a bad investment that Sony is making a killing on.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 22, 2017 7:52:58 GMT
Pc will be bugged and plagued and you will spend more time tweaking than playing. PS4 pro is very impressive, this coming from a longtime pc guy. You don't sound like anyone who has owned a PC since the 486 then, as it's pretty seamless now (oh, and 60fps?). Having said that, I'm sure the base PS4 performance will be great, the Pro is really coming into it's own lately though with HDR and checkerboard rendering, so if you're on the fence on what game to buy the Pro for, I'd say get it before Andromeda (I have one, it's awesome) but also get it for Horizon, since that is looking fucking next level as balls my friends. On that note, so glad I jumped on the holiday season sales for a 4K TV, got a KS8000 55" HDR delight box on the cheap, didn't know at the time I needed it, but Horizon and Andromeda are going to benefit from my rash purchasing behaviour! lol.
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Post by velvetstraitjacket on Feb 22, 2017 14:48:54 GMT
I bought a PS4 Pro a few days ago, so Pro
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Post by ioannisdenton on Feb 22, 2017 16:17:36 GMT
My body, ps4pro and samsung ks7000 are ready for Andromeda
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Post by guanxi on Feb 22, 2017 16:45:58 GMT
Pc will be bugged and plagued and you will spend more time tweaking than playing. PS4 pro is very impressive, this coming from a longtime pc guy. You don't sound like anyone who has owned a PC since the 486 then, as it's pretty seamless now (oh, and 60fps?). Having said that, I'm sure the base PS4 performance will be great, the Pro is really coming into it's own lately though with HDR and checkerboard rendering, so if you're on the fence on what game to buy the Pro for, I'd say get it before Andromeda (I have one, it's awesome) but also get it for Horizon, since that is looking fucking next level as balls my friends. On that note, so glad I jumped on the holiday season sales for a 4K TV, got a KS8000 55" HDR delight box on the cheap, didn't know at the time I needed it, but Horizon and Andromeda are going to benefit from my rash purchasing behaviour! lol. Generally speaking the PC folks love the kinds of bleeding edge performance and visuals which you won't get at launch. If DAI is any indication even a GTX 1080 is going to struggle at first (to maintain 4k/60/ultra) until they have optimised the crap out of it in post release patches. If you're more than likely to going end up sacrificing high end resolutions and settings for stable performance at launch then I don't see the point in either releasing or buying the PC version just yet until it cuts the mustard so to speak.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 23, 2017 0:06:50 GMT
You don't sound like anyone who has owned a PC since the 486 then, as it's pretty seamless now (oh, and 60fps?). Having said that, I'm sure the base PS4 performance will be great, the Pro is really coming into it's own lately though with HDR and checkerboard rendering, so if you're on the fence on what game to buy the Pro for, I'd say get it before Andromeda (I have one, it's awesome) but also get it for Horizon, since that is looking fucking next level as balls my friends. On that note, so glad I jumped on the holiday season sales for a 4K TV, got a KS8000 55" HDR delight box on the cheap, didn't know at the time I needed it, but Horizon and Andromeda are going to benefit from my rash purchasing behaviour! lol. Generally speaking the PC folks love the kinds of bleeding edge performance and visuals which you won't get at launch. If DAI is any indication even a GTX 1080 is going to struggle at first (to maintain 4k/60/ultra) until they have optimised the crap out of it in post release patches. If you're more than likely to going end up sacrificing high end resolutions and settings for stable performance at launch then I don't see the point in either releasing or buying the PC version just yet until it cuts the mustard so to speak. A GTX 1080 can't run current gen games at 4K with 60 fps on max settings anyway. The GTX Titan Pascal is closer, ranging in the 50ish fps. The GTX 1080 is only capable of 30 fps at 4K. I expect the GTX 1080 Ti will be the first legitimate card that can sustain 60 fps at 4K. Nvidia still has yet to release the 1080 Ti. Either way, better textures, unlocked framerates, and a slew of other PC-only features will always make PC ports the best solution (unless it's just a terrible port).
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Post by crom on Feb 23, 2017 0:20:54 GMT
That's your opinion, I test quite a bit with the pro and their is a big difference between 1080p and 1800p or actual 4K. Either way not the point of the thread. PS4 pro is a great product it's the PS4 that should of came out in the beginning. Again MEA will look great either way but will look even more amazing at 4K and hdr. It is not an opinion. Upscaled 4K, which is primarily all the Pro is capable of, is marginally better looking than 1080p. Now, if the Pro was capable of rendering all games in native 4K, I'd agree with you. You would notice an immediate difference because the resolution would actually be four times greater. The reality is the image is not significantly better because the console isn't powerful enough to render most games at native 4K. If Sony actually wanted to make a true 4K console, it would have been a lot more expensive. Again, the only reason to actually buy a Pro and not be ripped off is if you did not already own a standard PS4. Otherwise, it's a bad investment that Sony is making a killing on. Sorry but the PS4 pro is a full native 4K device. The problem comes in with the game developers not porting or patching in a pro patch for their already released games to use native 4K or checkerboard up scaling which looks significantly better than 1080p. Stop putting out miss information PS4 pro is a full native 4K device period. Enough said on it I will say people who say they can't see I difference well I don't believe that one bit sorry. Huge difference on my Sony 4K and hdr tv with the pro next to my Sony 1080p tv and normal PS4.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 23, 2017 0:29:09 GMT
It is not an opinion. Upscaled 4K, which is primarily all the Pro is capable of, is marginally better looking than 1080p. Now, if the Pro was capable of rendering all games in native 4K, I'd agree with you. You would notice an immediate difference because the resolution would actually be four times greater. The reality is the image is not significantly better because the console isn't powerful enough to render most games at native 4K. If Sony actually wanted to make a true 4K console, it would have been a lot more expensive. Again, the only reason to actually buy a Pro and not be ripped off is if you did not already own a standard PS4. Otherwise, it's a bad investment that Sony is making a killing on. Sorry but the PS4 pro is a full native 4K device. The problem comes in with the game developers not porting or patching in a pro patch for their already released games to use native 4K or checkerboard up scaling which looks significantly better than 1080p. Stop putting out miss information PS4 pro is a full native 4K device period. Enough said on it I will say people who say they can't see I difference well I don't believe that one bit sorry. Huge difference on my Sony 4K and hdr tv with the pro next to my Sony 1080p tv and normal PS4. This is simply not true. The PS4 Pro is not capable of native 4K for most games because it literally is not powerful enough. A GTX 1080 is capable of native 4K at 30 fps and that graphics card is almost double the price of your Pro... As I indicated, only a few games (TLOU and ESO) actually have native 4K support, and that's because they are older and less graphically intensive. For current games, such as MEA or Horizon Zero Dawn, there is an almost 0% chance of any of these games having native 4K support. The hardware is simply not strong enough. I've already read several reviews about Horizon Zero Dawn and how critics can't even tell a difference between Horizon on a standard PS4 and the PS4 Pro. It's literally not worth the money. The only feature that is objectively better is HDR, and again that can be patched into the standard PS4. I understand you want to justify your purchase, but you are simply not being truthful.
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Post by crom on Feb 23, 2017 0:42:53 GMT
I have a 1080 in my home built sim/gaming pc very much aware, you are barking up the wrong tree. PS4 pro is plenty powerful enough problem lies in the developers taking the easy route and doing 1800p checkerboard up to 4K as it's easier for them aka less work. Either way point is it's a huge step up in visual fidelity for consoles as console gamers generally are on big screen unlike pc fellas who are on small 27 inchers. My pit has the 55 inch Sony 4K which I strictly use for flight sims aka Dcs world when I'm not doing VR. Alas my pro is hooked up to same tv I have an eye to screen distance of just about 6 feet. The difference is very noticeable and even more noticeable for those who are generally 8 to 12 feet from their 55 inch or larger screen in 4K in their living rooms. The step up in resolution is much more noticeable on big screens compared to tiny pc monitors, and before you get all defensive I've done the whole nvidia surround with 3 screens and all that jazz, in my and many others experience the one big screen you notice the increase in res much more on the biggies. Not justifying purchase what's so ever, and reviews of that new game depends on who you watch or read many have stated it looks amazing on the pro and sets new graphical standards on consoles surpassing the uncharted series. Those reviewers must be complete tool bags their is a huge resolution difference between what the pro is doing in that game compared to the native 1080p. Jesus that's like say pick whatever pc game put two screens next to each other and one is 4K and the other is 1080p their is absolutely a major difference just the same as with tv's. or instead do dsr up to 1800p and then let the screen if possible upscale it to 4K major difference compared to 1080p. I just don't get nor understand why people fight what is obvious maybe it's just some people's eyes are really bad..
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Post by MissOuJ on Feb 23, 2017 6:32:37 GMT
I'm kinda on the fence on this issue ATM.
On the one hand, I'm plenty happy with my PS4, and I don't have a 4K TV, so getting a PS4 Pro at the moments isn't exactly necessary. So ATM, I'm planning to with a PS4 vanilla.
But, on the other hand... I've been planning to upgrade my PS4's memory for a while now, and I've started to wonder whether I should just wait it out and do all the upgrading in one go, maybe in a year or so, after the prices of PS4 Pro and 4K TV's have come down a bit (and I'm kinda hoping that XBS might force a price drop on PS4P). But then again, if there are clear differences in performance and graphics, I might make that switch a bit earlier.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Feb 23, 2017 9:15:34 GMT
Sorry but the PS4 pro is a full native 4K device. The problem comes in with the game developers not porting or patching in a pro patch for their already released games to use native 4K or checkerboard up scaling which looks significantly better than 1080p. Stop putting out miss information PS4 pro is a full native 4K device period. Enough said on it I will say people who say they can't see I difference well I don't believe that one bit sorry. Huge difference on my Sony 4K and hdr tv with the pro next to my Sony 1080p tv and normal PS4. This is simply not true. The PS4 Pro is not capable of native 4K for most games because it literally is not powerful enough. A GTX 1080 is capable of native 4K at 30 fps and that graphics card is almost double the price of your Pro... As I indicated, only a few games (TLOU and ESO) actually have native 4K support, and that's because they are older and less graphically intensive. For current games, such as MEA or Horizon Zero Dawn, there is an almost 0% chance of any of these games having native 4K support. The hardware is simply not strong enough. I've already read several reviews about Horizon Zero Dawn and how critics can't even tell a difference between Horizon on a standard PS4 and the PS4 Pro. It's literally not worth the money. The only feature that is objectively better is HDR, and again that can be patched into the standard PS4. I understand you want to justify your purchase, but you are simply not being truthful. Dear Revan my previous setup was a1080 display with a ps4, my current Ps4pro with a 4k screen is vastly superior in terms of visual fidelity. Sure its not native 4k but its pretty damn good. Tomb raider which has 1080p enhanced mode and a regular 4kupscaled shows this. 1080p enriched visuals have nothing compared to the 4k presentation (upscaled). There IS a huge difference
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