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Post by hathur on Mar 14, 2017 12:46:10 GMT
Considering that maybe 20% of pc games have proper SLI support at all, I wouldn't count too much on SLI being a huge help (SLI support on DAI was .. severely lacking.. as in nonexistant and actually made the game look / run worse). More often than not it just has caused me problems with games and I've generally just reverted to a single video card cus of it. I don't know what you are talking about sorry. Dragon Age inquisition with max settings and MSAAx4 worked fine at 4k constant 60fps on my 2 1080's so SLI must have been working fine otherwise 1 1080 wouldn't of not handled it. SLI at launch, and for at least 6+ months after launch, was broken for the overwhelming majority of SLI users. Shadows didn't render at all or constantly flickered, among a slew of other visual glitches that didn't occur when you weren't using SLI. Perhaps you didn't frequent the Bioware forums back then, but the tech support forum was filled with complaints about SLI issues and numerous reputable reviewers also brought it up when the game launched. They did eventually get it working for the most part... almost a year after launch. When I replayed the game nearly 2 years later SLI worked fine... but it sure as hell didn't for those first 6 months, I had to switch down to 1 card to avoid endless visuals bugs.
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I can only hope and pray that I get similar performance in ME:A that I did in DA:I. In DAI I was getting a solid 165 FPS with all settings on Ultra/Fade-Touched and v-sync off using a 1080FTW2 and an Intel 6850K. With all the hype and press concerning the 1060- even though it has been corrected and clarified...I'm a bit concerned. I'm sure I'll do really well (hoping for avg of at least 85 to 100 FPS), but now that everyone is all about the 1080Ti and how that is the only card capable of anything right now...I feel...I don't know how I feel.
But seriously, is there REALLY that much real-world difference between the 1080 FTW 1/2 and the 1080Ti? Numbers say (35% MORE of EVERYTHING)...But to me numbers are just ink (or pixels) on paper/screen, know what I mean? And if the FE starts at 1000...You can bet that any aftermarket edition (ie EVGA will cost a lot more) so is it realy worth it?
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 14, 2017 13:38:40 GMT
I can only hope and pray that I get similar performance in ME:A that I did in DA:I. In DAI I was getting a solid 165 FPS with all settings on Ultra/Fade-Touched and v-sync off using a 1080FTW2 and an Intel 6850K. With all the hype and press concerning the 1060- even though it has been corrected and clarified...I'm a bit concerned. I'm sure I'll do really well (hoping for avg of at least 85 to 100 FPS), but now that everyone is all about the 1080Ti and how that is the only card capable of anything right now...I feel...I don't know how I feel. But seriously, is there REALLY that much real-world difference between the 1080 FTW 1/2 and the 1080Ti? Numbers say (35% MORE of EVERYTHING)...But to me numbers are just ink (or pixels) on paper/screen, know what I mean? And if the FE starts at 1000...You can bet that any aftermarket edition (ie EVGA will cost a lot more) so is it realy worth it? Yes there is a real world difference between a 1080 and 1080 TI. Not 35% in all cases though, for the benchmarks I've seen it's about a 30% increase over the 1080 on average. Which is still significant, it could be the difference between 45FPS and 60FPS. That's on 4K by the way. If you're on 1440p or lower, it may not be worth it because the 1080 is plenty powerful enough anyway and the new price for the 1080 makes it more value per FPS. So don't worry the 1080 is still a beast of a card, the 1080 TI is just better as expected.
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Post by christsuperstar on Mar 14, 2017 13:42:26 GMT
I can only hope and pray that I get similar performance in ME:A that I did in DA:I. In DAI I was getting a solid 165 FPS with all settings on Ultra/Fade-Touched and v-sync off using a 1080FTW2 and an Intel 6850K. With all the hype and press concerning the 1060- even though it has been corrected and clarified...I'm a bit concerned. I'm sure I'll do really well (hoping for avg of at least 85 to 100 FPS), but now that everyone is all about the 1080Ti and how that is the only card capable of anything right now...I feel...I don't know how I feel. But seriously, is there REALLY that much real-world difference between the 1080 FTW 1/2 and the 1080Ti? Numbers say (35% MORE of EVERYTHING)...But to me numbers are just ink (or pixels) on paper/screen, know what I mean? And if the FE starts at 1000...You can bet that any aftermarket edition (ie EVGA will cost a lot more) so is it realy worth it? In my case, my 980 Ti tore through 1080p gaming like a baws, but then I got my 1440p monitor, and it's no longer performing satisfactory to me in some games. Anything below 60 fps hurts my eyes, and ~90 FPS seems to be my sweet spot where more doesn't really matter to me - might end up getting the 1080 Ti when Strix or the like gets released. Anyways, basically, if your card is good enough for your needs, that's all that should matter - different people, different strokes. Also, seeing you actually get 165 FPS in DAI, I wouldn't worry, at all. Imo, none of the current cards on the market are truly 4k worthy/capable as standalone cards at all - 1440p seems to be the max I would deem their performance acceptable, but hopefully we'll get there at next generation or upcoming AMD GPU (hoping, but I really don't think that's gonna happen)...
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 14, 2017 13:45:57 GMT
I can only hope and pray that I get similar performance in ME:A that I did in DA:I. In DAI I was getting a solid 165 FPS with all settings on Ultra/Fade-Touched and v-sync off using a 1080FTW2 and an Intel 6850K. With all the hype and press concerning the 1060- even though it has been corrected and clarified...I'm a bit concerned. I'm sure I'll do really well (hoping for avg of at least 85 to 100 FPS), but now that everyone is all about the 1080Ti and how that is the only card capable of anything right now...I feel...I don't know how I feel. But seriously, is there REALLY that much real-world difference between the 1080 FTW 1/2 and the 1080Ti? Numbers say (35% MORE of EVERYTHING)...But to me numbers are just ink (or pixels) on paper/screen, know what I mean? And if the FE starts at 1000...You can bet that any aftermarket edition (ie EVGA will cost a lot more) so is it realy worth it? In my case, my 980 Ti tore through 1080p gaming like a baws, but then I got my 1440p monitor, and it's no longer performing satisfactory to me in some games. Anything below 60 fps hurts my eyes, and ~90 FPS seems to be my sweet spot where more doesn't really matter to me - might end up getting the 1080 Ti when Strix or the like gets released. Anyways, basically, if your card is good enough for your needs, that's all that should matter - different people, different strokes. Also, seeing you actually get 165 FPS in DAI, I wouldn't worry, at all. Imo, none of the current cards on the market are truly 4k worthy/capable as standalone cards at all - 1440p seems to be the max I would deem their performance acceptable, but hopefully we'll get there at next generation or upcoming AMD GPU (hoping, but I really don't think that's gonna happen)... I guess it depends on you deem as 4K capable, if you're happy to play on high instead of ultra, the 1080 TI comes very very close of being a single card that's 4K capable. Heck even with settings on ultra it seems to average at least 60FPS on most games which is ridiculous for a single card.
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Post by rohirrimelf on Mar 14, 2017 14:18:03 GMT
I`m having serious issues installing the lastest driver from nvidia. Could my driver from last oktober run the game? This is the last one that works on my pc.
I cant play battlefield 1 anymore because of the driver requirements today. I`m afraid the same is going to happen for Mass effect Andromeda
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 14, 2017 14:30:07 GMT
I can only hope and pray that I get similar performance in ME:A that I did in DA:I. In DAI I was getting a solid 165 FPS with all settings on Ultra/Fade-Touched and v-sync off using a 1080FTW2 and an Intel 6850K. With all the hype and press concerning the 1060- even though it has been corrected and clarified...I'm a bit concerned. I'm sure I'll do really well (hoping for avg of at least 85 to 100 FPS), but now that everyone is all about the 1080Ti and how that is the only card capable of anything right now...I feel...I don't know how I feel. But seriously, is there REALLY that much real-world difference between the 1080 FTW 1/2 and the 1080Ti? Numbers say (35% MORE of EVERYTHING)...But to me numbers are just ink (or pixels) on paper/screen, know what I mean? And if the FE starts at 1000...You can bet that any aftermarket edition (ie EVGA will cost a lot more) so is it realy worth it? Yes there is a real world difference between a 1080 and 1080 TI. Not 35% in all cases though, for the benchmarks I've seen it's about a 30% increase over the 1080 on average. Which is still significant, it could be the difference between 45FPS and 60FPS. That's on 4K by the way. If you're on 1440p or lower, it may not be worth it because the 1080 is plenty powerful enough anyway and the new price for the 1080 makes it more value per FPS. So don't worry the 1080 is still a beast of a card, the 1080 TI is just better as expected. Hi Bryanky5...Thanks for your post. To answer your question, I run @ 1440p on a samsung 850T (check my earlier post on page 23 for my complete specs)...And to be honest, I'm not too interested in 4K at this point...Unless or until they come out with a 'proper' 4k Gaming monitor (like ACER and ASUS are slated to in Q'2 of this year) Rumour Mill says (TRUE 4K resolution @ 4096x2160, not UHD 3840x2160 that has been incorrectly marketed as 4K...W/ G-Sync, 144 to 165 Hz, plus HDR 10/Dolby VIsion) Panel sizes are reported to be 27 and 32 inches. Projected price approximately 2000 USD. But now they even have 5K and even true 8K monitors available from DELL... So UHD is not so hyped anymore. But the 27" 8K panel from DELL is over $4,000.00 all-in. I think for a lot of Gamers still, 1440p or even 1600 is still the sweet spot for a lot of reasons (both performance and visuals). I know that the 1080 FTW2 is a fantastic card, and that of course the 1080Ti will be better as newer tech always is...I guess I'm just ranting because like everyone else here I am anxious for Andromeda to be in my hands. Thanks again for your post.
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Post by christsuperstar on Mar 14, 2017 14:39:08 GMT
*rabble rabble 4k bad on current gfx rabble rabble* I guess it depends on you deem as 4K capable, if you're happy to play on high instead of ultra, the 1080 TI comes very very close of being a single card that's 4K capable. Heck even with settings on ultra it seems to average at least 60FPS on most games which is ridiculous for a single card. I agree it's "close", but that's on games a few years old to current gen, with best of the best of gaming cards we have atm - and then future games will demand even better hardware to run 4k. I'm not saying they're bad cards, they own 1080 and 1440 just fine, it's just the 4k came abruptly, 1440p kinda was a short half step, before "true gamers" went on the 4k fad. It does look very good, but our current GFX just aren't up to snuff when it comes down to it, unless you're born rich. What I'm really hoping is that these damn developers would start thinking about utilizing true explicit multi GPU performance, that DX12 (and hopefully soon Vulkan) offers, making it far easier to make GFX setups and upgrades more seamless.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 14, 2017 15:00:28 GMT
I can only hope and pray that I get similar performance in ME:A that I did in DA:I. In DAI I was getting a solid 165 FPS with all settings on Ultra/Fade-Touched and v-sync off using a 1080FTW2 and an Intel 6850K. With all the hype and press concerning the 1060- even though it has been corrected and clarified...I'm a bit concerned. I'm sure I'll do really well (hoping for avg of at least 85 to 100 FPS), but now that everyone is all about the 1080Ti and how that is the only card capable of anything right now...I feel...I don't know how I feel. But seriously, is there REALLY that much real-world difference between the 1080 FTW 1/2 and the 1080Ti? Numbers say (35% MORE of EVERYTHING)...But to me numbers are just ink (or pixels) on paper/screen, know what I mean? And if the FE starts at 1000...You can bet that any aftermarket edition (ie EVGA will cost a lot more) so is it realy worth it? In my case, my 980 Ti tore through 1080p gaming like a baws, but then I got my 1440p monitor, and it's no longer performing satisfactory to me in some games. Anything below 60 fps hurts my eyes, and ~90 FPS seems to be my sweet spot where more doesn't really matter to me - might end up getting the 1080 Ti when Strix or the like gets released. Anyways, basically, if your card is good enough for your needs, that's all that should matter - different people, different strokes. Also, seeing you actually get 165 FPS in DAI, I wouldn't worry, at all. Imo, none of the current cards on the market are truly 4k worthy/capable as standalone cards at all - 1440p seems to be the max I would deem their performance acceptable, but hopefully we'll get there at next generation or upcoming AMD GPU (hoping, but I really don't think that's gonna happen)... Hey Superstar. Thanks for your post. As for FPS in gaming...I find the only thing that truly hurts my eyes is excessive tearing; I honestly can't tell the difference between the visial fidelity of ME 3 (which is written to be locked at 30FPS) vs DA:I in which I get a solid 160. Yes DA:I runs smoother...But I hear people talking about being able to see the individual frames...and I can't. I've never really understood how people can see the individual frames past a certain sample rate. Now that being said...I can tell you that when The 3D version of The Hobbit came out...all they did to make the 3D was increase the FPS from 24 to 48, and I could see that--it gave me a huge migraine! But in terms of gaming...like I said, I don't notice much difference. I agree with you that 1440 or 1600p is the sweet spot and that as long as whatever card you have fits your needs than you're good. In my experience with ATI/AMD....Well it has never ever been good. I've had one AMD CPU (many years ago around 1998 or so)...and it was so under-powered that it over-worked itself to the point where it actually fused to the socket. And for video cards...I always bought ATI (because they were Canadian) and they offered comparable performance for a fraction of the cost of Nvidia. But even if the cards were decent build quality, I always had problems with their CC and the Drivers. In 2006...I went through several ATI cards (the 2600 series from Diamond, VisionTek, ASUS and ColorPalit) and not one of them last more than six months without crapping out in some fashion. The same could be said for the ASUS motherboards I had at that same time...I had capacitors popping, defective RAM slots, BIOS issues, warping/twisting of the PCB....and REALLY horrible experiences with Customer Service. So all that being said, I have no faith or interest in anything from AMD/ATI. I know everyone has their own very different experiences with every company...Some have had the same experiences with Intel/Nvidia, I'm sure. But I can only speak to what I have experienced. In any case...Thank you for your post. Enjoy your trip to Andromeda! T-7 Days....
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Post by laudable11 on Mar 14, 2017 15:13:58 GMT
Reading all this is very insightful. I've never owned a gaming PC. I'm getting one just for this game and all of this helps soo much.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 14, 2017 16:11:28 GMT
Reading all this is very insightful. I've never owned a gaming PC. I'm getting one just for this game and all of this helps soo much. Morning, Laudable. I'm building two computers for colleagues at work who want gaming PCs for their families, and if you're looking for hardware recommendations...I'd be happy to offer my nickel's worth of free advice. The configurations I am building are as follows. Maybe you'll like these builds...or at least get some ideas: -i7 6700K -Gigabyte Gaming 3 ATX motherboard - Gigabyte G1 or EVGA GTX 1070 (which ever they choose to buy) -EVGA 850 G3 Gold Rated PSU -G.Skill DDR4 Aegeis @ 2400 -WD Blue 1 TB SSD - WD Blue 2TB HD -Corsair H80i v.2 Liquid CPU Cooler -Cooler Master HAF X Gaming Tower (and/or CoolerMaster HAF XB EVO Cube Case) -Windows 10 64-bit HOME Ed. Total Price after tax will be about 2300.00 CDN (not including Sale Prices) My personal Preference for hardware/brand: -CoolerMaster for Cases -EVGA or Corsair for PSUs -Western Digital for Mechanical HDs -Samsung, Crucial or WD for SSDs -Intel for CPUs -Gigabyte (or EVGA if you can get it) for Motherboards and GPUs -G.Skill for RAM (or Mushkin....But Gskill offers the better price/performance and is noted to be one of the most reliable brands for Memory with the least amount of sales-to-returns ratio.) -Corsair for Liquid Coolers (my personal experience has been with the following models over the years: H55, H60, H90, H75 and currently H80v2) All have been exceptional in performance, quality and longevity. -Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Hope this helps!
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Post by Pearl on Mar 14, 2017 17:48:13 GMT
Such is life in the world of PC hardware. Whatever component you want becomes obsolete the instant you buy it.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 14, 2017 18:00:08 GMT
Well, as previous comments in this thread demonstrate, I've been nervous about my Fx-6300 which doesn't meet the minimum requirements for the game. However, I just played the Battlefield 1 trial through origin access, whose minimum CPU requirements are also above my current system (though not by quite as much), and I'm happy to report that I was able to play the game on all high settings with perfectly decent frame rates at 1080p. This has me cautiously optimistic about being able to at least play MEA.
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Post by tomatti on Mar 14, 2017 19:12:49 GMT
I'm really torn on whether to get the game for PC or regular PS4, could anyone provide some input for me, please? I can't afford anything fancier than what I've got but right now I'm running a ROG Asus laptop with Intel i7-4720, Nvidia GTX 970M and 16RAM. I can run DA:I smoothly on mostly High and a couple Ultra settings. I really want the game to perform well but I'm honestly ok with running plenty of settings at Medium if need be. Just a little terrified of getting a repeat of DA:I on PS3...muddy textures, lumpy meshes and choppy gameplay. Actually got a PS4 just out of fear my PC wouldn't run ME:A well but now I'm wondering if that was a mistake and I should go for PC? But if PS4 will look good and not dip below 30fps that's fine, too. This is a predicament
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Mar 14, 2017 19:15:38 GMT
I'm really torn on whether to get the game for PC or regular PS4, could anyone provide some input for me, please? I can't afford anything fancier than what I've got but right now I'm running a ROG Asus laptop with Intel i7-4720, Nvidia GTX 970M and 16RAM. I can run DA:I smoothly on mostly High and a couple Ultra settings. I really want the game to perform well but I'm honestly ok with running plenty of settings at Medium if need be. Just a little terrified of getting a repeat of DA:I on PS3...muddy textures, lumpy meshes and choppy gameplay. Actually got a PS4 just out of fear my PC wouldn't run ME:A well but now I'm wondering if that was a mistake and I should go for PC? But if PS4 will look good and not dip below 30fps that's fine, too. This is a predicament I PC game because I have the hardware to run it at high levels, PC gaming offers my keyboard/mouse gaming and modding. If you're not interested in that or don't have that available to you (sounds like that with the laptop specs) then yeah - console gaming is the way to go, in my humble opinion.
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Post by Rico01 on Mar 14, 2017 19:18:06 GMT
I'm really torn on whether to get the game for PC or regular PS4, could anyone provide some input for me, please? I can't afford anything fancier than what I've got but right now I'm running a ROG Asus laptop with Intel i7-4720, Nvidia GTX 970M and 16RAM. I can run DA:I smoothly on mostly High and a couple Ultra settings. I really want the game to perform well but I'm honestly ok with running plenty of settings at Medium if need be. Just a little terrified of getting a repeat of DA:I on PS3...muddy textures, lumpy meshes and choppy gameplay. Actually got a PS4 just out of fear my PC wouldn't run ME:A well but now I'm wondering if that was a mistake and I should go for PC? But if PS4 will look good and not dip below 30fps that's fine, too. This is a predicament If you're able, try the Origin Access early access on PC and see how it runs on your computer.
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Post by narcoticbiotic on Mar 14, 2017 21:11:59 GMT
I'm really torn on whether to get the game for PC or regular PS4, could anyone provide some input for me, please? I can't afford anything fancier than what I've got but right now I'm running a ROG Asus laptop with Intel i7-4720, Nvidia GTX 970M and 16RAM. I can run DA:I smoothly on mostly High and a couple Ultra settings. I really want the game to perform well but I'm honestly ok with running plenty of settings at Medium if need be. Just a little terrified of getting a repeat of DA:I on PS3...muddy textures, lumpy meshes and choppy gameplay. Actually got a PS4 just out of fear my PC wouldn't run ME:A well but now I'm wondering if that was a mistake and I should go for PC? But if PS4 will look good and not dip below 30fps that's fine, too. This is a predicament I'd almost guarantee that it will still run and look better on your laptop than the PS4. I linked to a reviewer on reddit earlier in this thread who was playing the game on similar specs on ultra (he had a 980M and a different i7, I think). And from today's press footage it also looks like the PS4 has some significant performance hiccups with the game sometimes.
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Post by tomatti on Mar 14, 2017 21:50:33 GMT
I'd almost guarantee that it will still run and look better on your laptop than the PS4. I linked to a reviewer on reddit earlier in this thread who was playing the game on similar specs on ultra (he had a 980M and a different i7, I think). And from today's press footage it also looks like the PS4 has some significant performance hiccups with the game sometimes. Cool, I'd been looking around for feedback with a similar setup and hadn't seen anything on PS4 that wasn't Pro. But I did get Origin Access after all, so I guess that'll decide it. Thanks for replies
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Post by fredvdp on Mar 14, 2017 22:53:46 GMT
I`m having serious issues installing the lastest driver from nvidia. Could my driver from last oktober run the game? This is the last one that works on my pc. I cant play battlefield 1 anymore because of the driver requirements today. I`m afraid the same is going to happen for Mass effect Andromeda What exactly is the issue you're having?
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Post by bigbad on Mar 15, 2017 2:05:29 GMT
Did the minimum CPU requirements get toned down? When they first came out, I could have sworn that the minimum AMD CPU was listed was FX-8350. Now it's the 6350, and the 8350 is the recommended CPU.
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Post by Talon on Mar 15, 2017 3:38:53 GMT
Did the minimum CPU requirements get toned down? When they first came out, I could have sworn that the minimum AMD CPU was listed was FX-8350. Now it's the 6350, and the 8350 is the recommended CPU. I don't think they have? Unless they changed them immediately after releasing them, I've always seen the 8350 as recommended. I've got an overclocked 8320, so I'm hopeful with the requirements.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 15, 2017 8:22:56 GMT
Off topic I know, but: fredvdp, I recognize you from EA Access, good to see you over here, you know what you're talking about
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Post by fredvdp on Mar 15, 2017 13:03:42 GMT
you know what you're talking about I'm good at pretending to know what I'm talking about.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 15, 2017 13:16:02 GMT
Did the minimum CPU requirements get toned down? When they first came out, I could have sworn that the minimum AMD CPU was listed was FX-8350. Now it's the 6350, and the 8350 is the recommended CPU. I don't think they have? Unless they changed them immediately after releasing them, I've always seen the 8350 as recommended. I've got an overclocked 8320, so I'm hopeful with the requirements. Huh. Okay, I guess I've been worrying due to my poor reading comprehension. Sigh.
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