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Post by tbr1 on Feb 25, 2017 6:17:15 GMT
linkwith MEA release date only a few weeks away i am concerned about EA's digital distribution software program Origin. so if it becomes a success and i decide to buy it legitimately. what will happen to the game after i bought it and not touching it for 6-7 years? (i live in the US) will it still be there or will just be deleted by EA during that timespan? The way it stands right now, its much better to get a pirated copy of MEA rather than go legit because the pirated copy will ALWAYS be there whereas the legit one may not...
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Post by Cypher on Feb 25, 2017 6:23:22 GMT
Nothing will happen to your game. If the game were on Steam, Valve could conceivably do the same thing since plenty of people have had games "pulled" from their accounts; likewise with Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.
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Post by tbr1 on Feb 25, 2017 6:25:08 GMT
that does not sound reassuring considering that i am conflicted on whether to buy MEA or not beside when has Valve ever put stocks on the stock market? Valve i trust but EA is to me a bit more suspicous and therefore must be treated with caution
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Post by RoboticWater on Feb 25, 2017 6:30:30 GMT
If you have any intention of supporting BioWare, then buy the game at release (or whenever you plan on playing the game), and if these allegations of Origin removing games become true for Andromeda, then I think you'd be more justified in the act then (and only then, not before). However, I seriously doubt that EA would just up and remove a high profile release like Mass Effect a few years down the line, especially since the Vault (EA's back-catalog of games) is arguably the most valuable feature of their Access program.
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Post by tbr1 on Feb 25, 2017 6:37:06 GMT
If you have any intention of supporting BioWare, then buy the game at release (or whenever you plan on playing the game), and if these allegations of Origin removing games becomes true for Andromeda, then I think you'd be more justified in the act then (and only then, not before). However, I seriously doubt that EA would just up and remove a high profile release like Mass Effect a few years down the line, especially since the Vault (EA's back-catalog of games) is arguably the most valuable feature of their Access program. as you say, but i still am concerned about giving 65 bucks that I paid for in a game to company who has questionable business practices...the only way to know is to watch other people play it on youtube on day 1 and then one can judge for themselves...
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 25, 2017 6:38:04 GMT
that does not sound reassuring considering that i am conflicted on whether to buy MEA or not beside when has Valve ever put stocks on the stock market? Valve i trust but EA is to me a bit more suspicous and there must be treated with caution You do realize in the Steam ToS that Valve withholds the legal right to terminate the service (and take all of your games) at anytime should they feel the need? This is a standard practice for all digital video game ownership. In reality, we don't "own" these games. We merely are purchasing a lease to play them. As far as Origin is concerned, it's not different from Steam, UPlay, Microsoft, or Sony. As long as you don't delete your account, yourself, the game will always be there. I've had my Origin account since the service opened and I've never lost any games I've purchased.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 25, 2017 6:42:37 GMT
If EA starts deleting games, then stop playing EA games.
Which you'll be doing anyway, since, you know, they deleted your games.
It hasn't happened yet, so don't worry about it yet. You can't burn a bridge before they build it.
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Post by tbr1 on Feb 25, 2017 6:43:11 GMT
that does not sound reassuring considering that i am conflicted on whether to buy MEA or not beside when has Valve ever put stocks on the stock market? Valve i trust but EA is to me a bit more suspicous and there must be treated with caution You do realize in the Steam ToS that Valve withholds the legal right to terminate the service (and take all of your games) at anytime should they feel the need? This is a standard practice for all digital video game ownership. In reality, we don't "own" these games. We merely are purchasing a lease to play them. As far as Origin is concerned, it's not different from Steam, UPlay, Microsoft, or Sony. As long as you don't delete your account yourself, the game will always be there. I've had my Origin account since the service opened and I've never lost any games I've purchased. as you say, but since i can't see it with my very own 2 eyes the only way to know for sure is for me to test it out. the question is should i do it and is it worth it?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 25, 2017 6:44:36 GMT
Well, are you from a country likely to get banned by the U.S.? If so, maybe buy physical. And if EA did take the game off of Origin in 6-7 years, MEA would be SUPER CHEAP at that point, so you could just buy another copy. But don't pirate a game because you don't trust EA and think in over a half-decade the game might be unavailable. Jeeze, man. Support Bioware for making a game you enjoy. Don't pirate it. If you hate EA so much, just don't buy the game at all, but don't steal from the hardworking people at Bioware who have slaved away for the last 5 years making this game.
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Post by tbr1 on Feb 25, 2017 6:47:50 GMT
If EA starts deleting games, then stop playing EA games. Which you'll be doing anyway, since, you know, they deleted your games. It hasn't happened yet, so don't worry about it yet. You can't burn a bridge before they build it. or you could pirate them if it did happen (as in they screwed you over big time to fund their get-rich-quick schemes).
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 25, 2017 6:49:21 GMT
You do realize in the Steam ToS that Valve withholds the legal right to terminate the service (and take all of your games) at anytime should they feel the need? This is a standard practice for all digital video game ownership. In reality, we don't "own" these games. We merely are purchasing a lease to play them. As far as Origin is concerned, it's not different from Steam, UPlay, Microsoft, or Sony. As long as you don't delete your account yourself, the game will always be there. I've had my Origin account since the service opened and I've never lost any games I've purchased. as you say, but since i can't see it with my very own 2 eyes the only way to know for sure is for me to test it out. the question is should i do it and is it worth it? I'd say it's worth it if you actually want to play MEA on PC as well as support the developers who made the game. I'm about to purchase the digital deluxe version, myself, once March is here. I'm also going to subscribe to Origin Access for the early access trial for MEA. I have all of BioWare's games from Jade Empire (2005) to Dragon Age Inquisition (2014) in my Origin library.
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Post by RoboticWater on Feb 25, 2017 6:50:16 GMT
If you have any intention of supporting BioWare, then buy the game at release (or whenever you plan on playing the game), and if these allegations of Origin removing games becomes true for Andromeda, then I think you'd be more justified in the act then (and only then, not before). However, I seriously doubt that EA would just up and remove a high profile release like Mass Effect a few years down the line, especially since the Vault (EA's back-catalog of games) is arguably the most valuable feature of their Access program. as you say, but i still am concerned about giving 65 bucks that I paid for in a game to company who has questionable business practices...the only way to know is to watch other people play it on youtube on day 1 and then one can judge for themselves... OK, then don't buy the game. Just wait. You don't need us or some spurious claims about Origin to justify your caution; it's simply in your best interest to not buy this game the day it comes out. Wait for reviews or a sale or even the inevitable GOTY edition. It can only ever benefit you (if we ignore multiplayer). Piracy, however, is a serious issue, and shouldn't even be considered except in the case of archiving, which, as we've established, isn't a problem for Andromeda.
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Post by tbr1 on Feb 25, 2017 6:50:21 GMT
Well, are you from a country likely to get banned by the U.S.? If so, maybe buy physical. And if EA did take the game off of Origin in 6-7 years, MEA would be SUPER CHEAP at that point, so you could just buy another copy. But don't pirate a game because you don't trust EA and think in over a half-decade the game might be unavailable. Jeeze, man. Support Bioware for making a game you enjoy. Don't pirate it. If you hate EA so much, just don't buy the game at all, but don't steal from the hardworking people at Bioware who have slaved away for the last 5 years making this game. if you say so
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 25, 2017 6:50:36 GMT
If EA starts deleting games, then stop playing EA games. Which you'll be doing anyway, since, you know, they deleted your games. It hasn't happened yet, so don't worry about it yet. You can't burn a bridge before they build it. or you could pirate them if it did happen (as in they screwed you over big time to fund their get-rich-quick schemes). If it happens, and it's a game I care about, then perhaps. Until then, I won't condone pre-emptive piracy.
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Post by Pearl on Feb 25, 2017 6:53:28 GMT
You can't burn a bridge before they build it.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 25, 2017 7:07:35 GMT
I really don't get why people trust one major corporation that has screwed over their customers, but then says they can't trust another major corporation that has screwed over their customers.
EA and Valve only care about money, if they start taking away people's purchased games without a good reason such as a trade embargo by the Federal Government they won't do it because it would destroy the service for then they have a track record of doing. By creating that example people won't put any faith into their system and stop buying there and would kill the business. Just like with Greenlight people lost faith in the system and now Valve came up with a new system that people are already criticizing.
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Just for perspective, I bought a game on a Steam sale and it placed the wrong version of the game on my account for I only got the standard version, but I bought the GoTY. After spending five weeks trying to get help with the problem I decided it wasn't worth anymore of my time since the amount of hours I spent trying to deal with the horrible customer support from Valve probably cost me more money in my time then what I paid for the game. I also had Valve ban my forum account because when The Witcher 2 was released I said "I wasn't very happy I would have to download basically the game again for a patch" and the reason for my banning was that I was promoting piracy.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 25, 2017 7:22:55 GMT
It's pretty obvious you're looking for some pretext to justify pirating to yourself, probably something you should deal with in private.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 25, 2017 7:52:36 GMT
Right. It's not enough that he wants to steal, he wants our approval for doing it too?
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Post by Cypher on Feb 25, 2017 7:58:01 GMT
that does not sound reassuring considering that i am conflicted on whether to buy MEA or not beside when has Valve ever put stocks on the stock market? Valve i trust but EA is to me a bit more suspicous and therefore must be treated with caution That's the most inane and fallacious logic I've come across in weeks. That literally makes no sense. Valve is just as beholden to the market as EA. Considering their severe lack of customer service and chaotic and wild internal structure, you could be banned from Valve, cut off from your games, and then turn around and have no one to talk to in order to get the situation immediately rectified. EA has customer support at the very least, so if something goes wrong, there's actual people to talk to.
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Post by stysiaq on Feb 25, 2017 8:06:27 GMT
EA will never delete your games if you never buy them.
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Post by kino on Feb 25, 2017 8:12:03 GMT
If you buy the game the game then nothing will happen, going by the fact that every game I've bought through Origin since it's inception has been fine. If you pirate the game then there's no telling.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 25, 2017 8:19:07 GMT
If you buy the game the game then nothing will happen, going by the fact that every game I've bought through Origin since it's inception has been fine. If you pirate the game then there's no telling. The meat of the potential issue is that when you "buy" a digital download game through Steam or Origin, you are not buying the game, you are buying the "right to play it". The game can be removed from your library when official support for that game ends and legally that is fine, because you don't own the game. EA could, for example, pull ME3 off Origin when MEA comes out. This would "encourage" you to "purchase" MEA, since you can no longer play ME3. And then when Mass Effect: Sagittarius-B comes out, they remove MEA and the cycle continues. That said, until it starts to actually happen, it's no excuse for pirating.
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Post by Pearl on Feb 25, 2017 8:30:12 GMT
The only time someone I know has had their access to a Steam/Origin/Uplay/etc game revoked has been a consequence of something he did. This is in almost ten years of playing PC games and using digital distribution services. In case you're curious, it was because it was a press copy of the game (meaning he got it for free per an agreement with the publisher), and about six months later he started talking mad shit about the publisher of the game on his twitch stream. Someone caught wind of it, and the next day, it was gone from his Steam library. We still laugh about it to this day.
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Post by fulcrum290 on Feb 25, 2017 9:16:05 GMT
You do realize in the Steam ToS that Valve withholds the legal right to terminate the service (and take all of your games) at anytime should they feel the need? This is a standard practice for all digital video game ownership. In reality, we don't "own" these games. We merely are purchasing a lease to play them. As far as Origin is concerned, it's not different from Steam, UPlay, Microsoft, or Sony. As long as you don't delete your account, yourself, the game will always be there. I've had my Origin account since the service opened and I've never lost any games I've purchased. Physical copies doesn't remove DRM, DLC to play, 24/7 internet connection. If that ever happen then PC will revert back to piracy, a battle they already lost in the past and round 2 would be any different ?
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 25, 2017 9:30:31 GMT
You do realize in the Steam ToS that Valve withholds the legal right to terminate the service (and take all of your games) at anytime should they feel the need? This is a standard practice for all digital video game ownership. In reality, we don't "own" these games. We merely are purchasing a lease to play them. As far as Origin is concerned, it's not different from Steam, UPlay, Microsoft, or Sony. As long as you don't delete your account, yourself, the game will always be there. I've had my Origin account since the service opened and I've never lost any games I've purchased. Physical copies doesn't remove DRM, DLC to play, 24/7 internet connection. If that ever happen then PC will revert back to piracy, a battle they already lost in the past and round 2 would be any different ? I'm not really sure I understand your comment. Origin, Steam, UPlay, etc., are all forms of DRM. You need to run those services in order to actually play the games. The only service that is actually DRM-free is GOG, and even they have GOG Galaxy, which functions the same way as the other competitors. Luckily, none of them are incredibly intrusive. You don't even have to be online to play the games (unless you want to participate in multiplayer).
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