Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
about 2400 years ago Socrates said:
I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.
He wrapped himself in quotations - as a beggar would enfold himself in the purple of Emperors.”
― Rudyard Kipling, Many Inventions
A quotation is a handy thing to have about, saving one the trouble of thinking for oneself, always a laborious business. The Record Lie ― A.A. Milne, If I May
Be careful--with quotations, you can damn anything.”
We know that we will have quarians,according to the latest briefing.Why haven't we seen them yet? i suppose the devs are keeping them for a surprise.Everyone had been disappointed with the Tali face reveal so seeing finally the quarians will be a huge thing.
We know that we will have quarians,according to the latest briefing.Why haven't we seen them yet? i suppose the devs are keeping them for a surprise.Everyone had been disappointed with the Tali face reveal so seeing finally the quarians will be a huge thing.
I don't know if that counts as a spoiler since it was mentioned in advertising.
It sounds to me like you are mad because you made yourself look like a fool by stating so vehemently that there was no way the quarians would make it to andromeda... and then it turned out that quarians are in andromeda..
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edit: Human 150lb produce 8lb baby once per 2 years = ~3% bodyweight per year Mahi Mahi reach 20lbs in 1 year (80lb at 5 years) starting at a weight of 2mg or 6lbs at 6months (twice that weight in captivity) They spawn 2-3 times per year, laying between 80k and 1mil eggs, each egg weighs 1-2mg (17oz per year per 20lb fish) = ~19% bodyweight per year Krogan 1k lb produce 30lb baby once per year via human standard/1k eggs = 0.5oz Egg at laying Krogan 1k lb produce 190lb baby once per year via mahi mahi standard/1k eggs = 3oz Egg at laying Human grows from 8lb at birth to 25 lbs at 1 year and 65lbs at 8 years Krogan starting at 3oz from human standard growth = 10oz at 1year and 2lb at 2 years, ~500lbs at 7 years and full grown at 8 years. (That is surprising) Krogan starting at 3oz from mahimahi standard growth = 1.5-2.5lb at 1year, 12-33.3lb at 2 years, and full grown at a little after 3 years. Krogan starting at 0.5oz from mahimahi standard growth = 0.4lb at 1year, 5lb5oz at 2 years, and full grown at four years.
Sorry if you actually read my past comment on March 5th at 3.34pm, I think you'll find I said that there could be quarians in andromeda if the marketing team did something stupid like show quarians next week or something in a video ( This is the long paragraph at the end of the post). Which they did. I'm never wrong.
I'm not clear on what you are discussing now with body weight.
Ive read all of your comments and they are hilarious. I see you like to hide behind semantics, that only makes you seem an even bigger fool, but okay... how is this for semantics, since you love them so much: I never called you a fool, I only said that you were making yourself LOOK like one.
It must be really great to never be wrong. You know there is only one type of person who always wins arguments, and never loses? I'll let you answer that yourself since I'm sure you know, like you know everything else.
ah you didn't know about the krogan, I'll tell you: more quotes, since I know you love those too: "never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain (proof you dragged me down to the idiot-level of semantics, above.)
the krogan math was not directed at you, I took my responding post as an opportunity to post some math I had done based on mahi mahi and human growth and reproduction to guess at the growth and reproduction rates possible for krogan. Only because I saw you and another talking about krogan and it spurred the thought in me.
Did you even pay attention to the previous three games worth of information or did you just stare at walls the entire time?
I'm sorry that I don't know every line of information in the codex or dialogue with respect to everything. I guess that makes me a bad fanboy.
Considering this shit was a major plot point of Mass 3 and repeated 2348 times, I don't see how you missed it. Has nothing to do with being a fanboy, it has everything to do with not paying attention to the obvious.
Sorry if you actually read my past comment on March 5th at 3.34pm, I think you'll find I said that there could be quarians in andromeda if the marketing team did something stupid like show quarians next week or something in a video ( This is the long paragraph at the end of the post). Which they did. I'm never wrong.
I'm not clear on what you are discussing now with body weight.
Ive read all of your comments and they are hilarious. I see you like to hide behind semantics, that only makes you seem an even bigger fool, but okay... how is this for semantics, since you love them so much: I never called you a fool, I only said that you were making yourself LOOK like one.
It must be really great to never be wrong. You know there is only one type of person who always wins arguments, and never loses? I'll let you answer that yourself since I'm sure you know, like you know everything else.
ah you didn't know about the krogan, I'll tell you: more quotes, since I know you love those too: "never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain (proof you dragged me down to the idiot-level of semantics, above.)
the krogan math was not directed at you, I took my responding post as an opportunity to post some math I had done based on mahi mahi and human growth and reproduction to guess at the growth and reproduction rates possible for krogan. Only because I saw you and another talking about krogan and it spurred the thought in me.
I couldn't be arsed having an argument now about nonsense. There's no need to get personally abusive. Typically the person initiating a personal abuse like saying the other person is stupid because their argument doesn't hold water and is futile They are unable to remain objective because their argument is useless. So I'm glad, you agree with me. Otherwise make some rational objective statement about the topic at hand rather than trying to 'hurt my feelings' about how stupid I am haha. I find your whining even more hilarious as you try and pass it off as some kind of passive aggression. I stand fully behind what I said in my earlier posts. I wasn't wrong.
I'm sorry that I don't know every line of information in the codex or dialogue with respect to everything. I guess that makes me a bad fanboy.
Considering this shit was a major plot point of Mass 3 and repeated 2348 times, I don't see how you missed it. Has nothing to do with being a fanboy, it has everything to do with not paying attention to the obvious.
It was such a major plot point that it wouldn't have changed the story if it was left out. You can still have the genophage without them breeding thousands of eggs.Man I played the game 5 years ago. I can't be expected to remember everything.
Considering this shit was a major plot point of Mass 3 and repeated 2348 times, I don't see how you missed it. Has nothing to do with being a fanboy, it has everything to do with not paying attention to the obvious.
It was such a major plot point that it wouldn't have changed the story if it was left out. You can still have the genophage without them breeding thousands of eggs.Man I played the game 5 years ago. I can't be expected to remember everything.
That makes no sense, seeing as the Genophage is the reason why they only have one or two viable eggs out of thousands.
Ive read all of your comments and they are hilarious. I see you like to hide behind semantics, that only makes you seem an even bigger fool, but okay... how is this for semantics, since you love them so much: I never called you a fool, I only said that you were making yourself LOOK like one.
It must be really great to never be wrong. You know there is only one type of person who always wins arguments, and never loses? I'll let you answer that yourself since I'm sure you know, like you know everything else.
ah you didn't know about the krogan, I'll tell you: more quotes, since I know you love those too: "never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain (proof you dragged me down to the idiot-level of semantics, above.)
the krogan math was not directed at you, I took my responding post as an opportunity to post some math I had done based on mahi mahi and human growth and reproduction to guess at the growth and reproduction rates possible for krogan. Only because I saw you and another talking about krogan and it spurred the thought in me.
I couldn't be arsed having an argument now about nonsense. There's no need to get personally abusive. Typically the person initiating a personal abuse like saying the other person is stupid because their argument doesn't hold water and is futile They are unable to remain objective because their argument is useless. So I'm glad, you agree with me. Otherwise make some rational objective statement about the topic at hand rather than trying to 'hurt my feelings' about how stupid I am haha. I find your whining even more hilarious as you try and pass it off as some kind of passive aggression. I stand fully behind what I said in my earlier posts. I wasn't wrong.
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It was such a major plot point that it wouldn't have changed the story if it was left out. You can still have the genophage without them breeding thousands of eggs.Man I played the game 5 years ago. I can't be expected to remember everything.
That makes no sense, seeing as the Genophage is the reason why they only have one or two viable eggs out of thousands.
It was such a major plot point that it wouldn't have changed the story if it was left out. You can still have the genophage without them breeding thousands of eggs.Man I played the game 5 years ago. I can't be expected to remember everything.
That makes no sense, seeing as the Genophage is the reason why they only have one or two viable eggs out of thousands.
It makes perfect sense. It doesnt matter how many children they have precisely. The concept of the genophage was to curtail the krogan population and prevent them from declaring war on the galaxy. The specifics can change but the reason why the genophage exists does not have to.
That makes no sense, seeing as the Genophage is the reason why they only have one or two viable eggs out of thousands.
It makes perfect sense. It doesnt matter how many children they have precisely. The concept of the genophage was to curtail the krogan population and prevent them from declaring war on the galaxy. The specifics can change but the reason why the genophage exists does not have to.
Krogan population needed to be curtailed because two people can have 1000 children who go on to have 1000 children of their own. If Krogans were dropping two children on average, there'd have been no reason for a Genophage in the first place.
It makes perfect sense. It doesnt matter how many children they have precisely. The concept of the genophage was to curtail the krogan population and prevent them from declaring war on the galaxy. The specifics can change but the reason why the genophage exists does not have to.
Krogan population needed to be curtailed because two people can have 1000 children who go on to have 1000 children of their own. If Krogans were dropping two children on average, there'd have been no reason for a Genophage in the first place.
What you said literally makes no sense.
It doesn't have to be 1000 children. Only 50 years ago people were having 12-14 children and the global population in the last century spiraled from 2 billion to 7 billion. Thats 5 billion more people in 80 years. And its heading towards 12 billion by the end of this century. People only having 2 children in our history is a relatively recent thing. Don't be ridiculous with the krogan had to have 1000 children each to have their population spiral out of control in order to have the genophage.
Krogan population needed to be curtailed because two people can have 1000 children who go on to have 1000 children of their own. If Krogans were dropping two children on average, there'd have been no reason for a Genophage in the first place.
What you said literally makes no sense.
It doesn't have to be 1000 children. Only 50 years ago people were having 12-14 children and the global population in the last century spiraled from 2 billion to 7 billion. Thats 5 billion more people in 80 years. And its heading towards 12 billion by the end of this century. People only having 2 children in our history is a relatively recent thing. Don't be ridiculous with the krogan had to have 1000 children each to have their population spiral out of control in order to have the genophage.
People were having 5+ children due poverty and disease inducing the need for more human bodies for collective survival. Most of the time, significant portions of those children died of illness, poverty, or whatever, helping in curbing the population. Things changed, so they started having less, but more people started surviving, so more people had children overall.
Krogran have 1000 children because KROGRAN WOMAN SHIT OUT 1000 EGGS AT A TIME PER PREGNANCY. One hundred pregnant Krogan shoot out 1000 eggs; even at half viability for egg clusters, that's 50k people from 100 people in a year. Fifteen+ years later, when those Krogran are getting freaky, assuming half are female, can get pregnant and drop 1000 eggs each. Assuming that batch has 80% viability, THAT'S 20 MILLION NEW KROGRAN. Are you noticing the exponential growth now, or are you still caught up thinking that Krogans were just getting pregnant hundreds of time in a single year, tossing out children.
Removed from their natural environment that was full of predators that likely gobbled up most of those eggs, krogran populations exploded and their culture hadn't changed to adapt. And seeing as they could spawn hundreds of millions of people with little effort, shit caused issues. If you give some poor people from China and India access to Prothean ruins and teach them how to use the shit to space travel, they're still going to be stuck in their ways for a significant period of time regardless of their tech level because their culture hadn't adapted, they're going to have more children while colonizing planets than the same number of second generation Chinese and Indian-Americans given the same tech and opportunity for space flight, simply because the culture the latter came up in is more adapted to not procreating for labor.
Yes, there are definitely going to be Quarians in Mass Effect Andromeda. This was already mentioned in the latest briefing. If I do recall correctly, it mentioned one of the planets being perfectly suitable for dextro-protein species' and then went on to mention our Turian and Quarian colonists, which is a clear indication that they will be present in Andromeda. Which excites me more than I can say, hoping we see them without their helmets...
.... and I can get a hunky male Quarian LI.
Last Edit: Mar 10, 2017 2:44:24 GMT by lovelypumpkin
It doesn't have to be 1000 children. Only 50 years ago people were having 12-14 children and the global population in the last century spiraled from 2 billion to 7 billion. Thats 5 billion more people in 80 years. And its heading towards 12 billion by the end of this century. People only having 2 children in our history is a relatively recent thing. Don't be ridiculous with the krogan had to have 1000 children each to have their population spiral out of control in order to have the genophage.
People were having 5+ children due poverty and disease inducing the need for more human bodies for collective survival. Most of the time, significant portions of those children died of illness, poverty, or whatever, helping in curbing the population. Things changed, so they started having less, but more people started surviving, so more people had children overall.
Krogran have 1000 children because KROGRAN WOMAN SHIT OUT 1000 EGGS AT A TIME PER PREGNANCY. One hundred pregnant Krogan shoot out 1000 eggs; even at half viability for egg clusters, that's 50k people from 100 people in a year. Fifteen+ years later, when those Krogran are getting freaky, assuming half are female, can get pregnant and drop 1000 eggs each. Assuming that batch has 80% viability, THAT'S 20 MILLION NEW KROGRAN. Are you noticing the exponential growth now, or are you still caught up thinking that Krogans were just getting pregnant hundreds of time in a single year, tossing out children.
Removed from their natural environment that was full of predators that likely gobbled up most of those eggs, krogran populations exploded and their culture hadn't changed to adapt. And seeing as they could spawn hundreds of millions of people with little effort, shit caused issues. If you give some poor people from China and India access to Prothean ruins and teach them how to use the shit to space travel, they're still going to be stuck in their ways for a significant period of time regardless of their tech level because their culture hadn't adapted, they're going to have more children while colonizing planets than the same number of second generation Chinese and Indian-Americans given the same tech and opportunity for space flight, simply because the culture the latter came up in is more adapted to not procreating for labor.
You're missing the point. And all that information isn't relevant. The genophage was created to curb a population explosion by the krogan of some kind, exponential or not. Whether the krogan had 10 children, 100, 1000, 1000000 children each is not relevant to the story. Its just a number made up by the writers. They could have put any number of children they wanted in the story and still have had the genophage if the krogan were warlike. All you're arguing for is some number a bioware writer came up with in his head. Then he wrote some backstory that can only be found in the codex or whereever. But the main events of the story that shepard was on in game wouldn't be affected if the writers had decided to change their numbers around. Thats the point.
People were having 5+ children due poverty and disease inducing the need for more human bodies for collective survival. Most of the time, significant portions of those children died of illness, poverty, or whatever, helping in curbing the population. Things changed, so they started having less, but more people started surviving, so more people had children overall.
Krogran have 1000 children because KROGRAN WOMAN SHIT OUT 1000 EGGS AT A TIME PER PREGNANCY. One hundred pregnant Krogan shoot out 1000 eggs; even at half viability for egg clusters, that's 50k people from 100 people in a year. Fifteen+ years later, when those Krogran are getting freaky, assuming half are female, can get pregnant and drop 1000 eggs each. Assuming that batch has 80% viability, THAT'S 20 MILLION NEW KROGRAN. Are you noticing the exponential growth now, or are you still caught up thinking that Krogans were just getting pregnant hundreds of time in a single year, tossing out children.
Removed from their natural environment that was full of predators that likely gobbled up most of those eggs, krogran populations exploded and their culture hadn't changed to adapt. And seeing as they could spawn hundreds of millions of people with little effort, shit caused issues. If you give some poor people from China and India access to Prothean ruins and teach them how to use the shit to space travel, they're still going to be stuck in their ways for a significant period of time regardless of their tech level because their culture hadn't adapted, they're going to have more children while colonizing planets than the same number of second generation Chinese and Indian-Americans given the same tech and opportunity for space flight, simply because the culture the latter came up in is more adapted to not procreating for labor.
You're missing the point. And all that information isn't relevant. The genophage was created to curb a population explosion by the krogan of some kind, exponential or not. Whether the krogan had 10 children, 100, 1000, 1000000 children each is not relevant to the story. Its just a number made up by the writers. They could have put any number of children they wanted in the story and still have had the genophage if the krogan were warlike. All you're arguing for is some number a bioware writer came up with in his head. Then he wrote some backstory that can only be found in the codex or whereever. But the main events of the story that shepard was on in game wouldn't be affected if the writers had decided to change their numbers around. Thats the point.
No, you're missing the point because the Genophage was only necessary due to the sheer number of Krogans that can be born. The population explosion is due to their potential to have a shit ton of children + their lack of natural predators once they started to colonize other planets.
None of the shit is only found in the codex; everything I've said can be found in multiple conversations.
You're missing the point. And all that information isn't relevant. The genophage was created to curb a population explosion by the krogan of some kind, exponential or not. Whether the krogan had 10 children, 100, 1000, 1000000 children each is not relevant to the story. Its just a number made up by the writers. They could have put any number of children they wanted in the story and still have had the genophage if the krogan were warlike. All you're arguing for is some number a bioware writer came up with in his head. Then he wrote some backstory that can only be found in the codex or whereever. But the main events of the story that shepard was on in game wouldn't be affected if the writers had decided to change their numbers around. Thats the point.
No, you're missing the point because the Genophage was only necessary due to the sheer number of Krogans that can be born. The population explosion is due to their potential to have a shit ton of children + their lack of natural predators once they started to colonize other planets.
None of the shit is only found in the codex; everything I've said can be found in multiple conversations.
Yeah conversations from 5 or 6 years ago. You're just repeating that the genophage was necessary due to the sheer number of krogans that can be born. Fine, but that didn't have to be the case at all to the story. That was just a plot point invented by bioware writers. If you could go back in time, you could instead have written a story where the genophage was created to curtail the krogan population because they wanted to expand through military force throughout the galaxy anyway, regardless of the extent of their population growth. By using the genophage to control their population size, they no longer become a threat. That was the reason for the genophage in both instances (the one that was written and the hypothetical reality where their population growth was not so extreme). So in essence, the extent of their growth wouldn't really change the story.
No, you're missing the point because the Genophage was only necessary due to the sheer number of Krogans that can be born. The population explosion is due to their potential to have a shit ton of children + their lack of natural predators once they started to colonize other planets.
None of the shit is only found in the codex; everything I've said can be found in multiple conversations.
Yeah conversations from 5 or 6 years ago. You're just repeating that the genophage was necessary due to the sheer number of krogans that can be born. Fine, but that didn't have to be the case at all to the story. That was just a plot point invented by bioware writers. If you could go back in time, you could instead have written a story where the genophage was created to curtail the krogan population because they wanted to expand through military force throughout the galaxy anyway, regardless of the extent of their population growth. By using the genophage to control their population size, they no longer become a threat. That was the reason for the genophage in both instances (the one that was written and the hypothetical reality where their population growth was not so extreme). So in essence, the extent of their growth wouldn't really change the story.
So, what you're saying is, shit in a Bioware story is irrelevant because it's a plot point invented by people who invented the story.
If I go back in time, I could have written a story about a lot of things, but that doesn't matter because the fact of the matter is, that has no bearing on the conversation of today or Andromeda. We don't exist in a parallel universe where canon and continuity varies, and the fact that you have to dig into alternate realities in effort of poorly attempting to make malformed arguments rational and valid just do nothing but further my point.
Yeah conversations from 5 or 6 years ago. You're just repeating that the genophage was necessary due to the sheer number of krogans that can be born. Fine, but that didn't have to be the case at all to the story. That was just a plot point invented by bioware writers. If you could go back in time, you could instead have written a story where the genophage was created to curtail the krogan population because they wanted to expand through military force throughout the galaxy anyway, regardless of the extent of their population growth. By using the genophage to control their population size, they no longer become a threat. That was the reason for the genophage in both instances (the one that was written and the hypothetical reality where their population growth was not so extreme). So in essence, the extent of their growth wouldn't really change the story.
So, what you're saying is, shit in a Bioware story is irrelevant because it's a plot point invented by people who invented the story.
If I go back in time, I could have written a story about a lot of things, but that doesn't matter because the fact of the matter is, that has no bearing on the conversation of today or Andromeda. We don't exist in a parallel universe where canon and continuity varies, and the fact that you have to dig into alternate realities in effort of poorly attempting to make malformed arguments rational and valid just do nothing but further my point.
The point was it wasn't a major plot point that would have altered the Mass effect story too much. But I'm trying to spell it out for you with a hypothetical example. And as you just made apparent in your comment, you're just not understanding what I'm trying to say at all. The krogen laying 1000 eggs doesn't matter to mass effect. Its not as significant as say the reaper cycles. Basically I'm saying there are different levels of importance of different plot points to a story. The krogen 1000 egg thing is just not that significant. If thye never wrote that, the same story would have played out. But if they didn't write about the reaper cycles, then there could have been a different mass effect story. And so, not being one of the most major plot points in the game, it doesn't matter if people forget little details many years later.
about 60 years ago Albert Einstein said: 
about 2400 years ago Socrates said:
