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Post by Shaftell on Mar 8, 2017 0:55:28 GMT
I keep reading people saying they meant "dry ice". No they didn't. Dry ice and ice are different things so if they meant dry ice then say dry ice. People are just assuming it's dry ice so they can make sense of the sentence. Obviously this is as nitpicking as it gets but it's something so simple that the writers should've had right from the start.
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Post by cobalt72 on Mar 8, 2017 2:57:44 GMT
I heard it as water/ice
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Post by riou on Mar 8, 2017 8:54:28 GMT
Here's the thing. Ice has different properties and uses than liquid water. So it IS entirely possible they need both. Is that really such a strange concept?
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 8, 2017 9:56:29 GMT
I keep reading people saying they meant "dry ice". No they didn't. Dry ice and ice are different things so if they meant dry ice then say dry ice. People are just assuming it's dry ice so they can make sense of the sentence. Obviously this is as nitpicking as it gets but it's something so simple that the writers should've had right from the start. In astronomy, ice is not explicitly water ice, it's just any frozen gas/liquid. Water ice is referred to explicitly as such. So you're right, ice is not the same as dry ice, but that's because dry ice is ice, but not all ices are dry ice. Also, there is more than one form of water ice,they have different crystalline structures and have different properties
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Post by Amirit on Mar 8, 2017 12:34:13 GMT
Ice is the general term given to the solid state of something. It's not necessary H 2O. You can have CO 2 ice (aka dry ice) for example. They probably need ice as a cooling agent, what type it is doesn't matter, while water is needed to sustain life. Actually, no - ice IS water. "Dry ice" - is the only exception there are. The rest of materials called "frozen" or, in scientific term "solid state". Here, have a definition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice : Ice is water frozen into a solid state. (and here is other cases of using word "Ice", still not related to the solid state of other materials: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_(disambiguation))However, in planet description BW could use another word - Volatiles, the group of chemical elements and chemical compounds with low boiling points that are associated with a planet's or moon's crust or atmosphere. Examples include nitrogen, water, carbon dioxide, ammonia, hydrogen, methane and sulfur dioxide. In astrogeology, these compounds, in their solid state, often comprise large proportions of the crusts of moons and dwarf planets. Sometimes that can be very informally called "ice" as well.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 8, 2017 12:58:51 GMT
Ice is the general term given to the solid state of something. It's not necessary H 2O. You can have CO 2 ice (aka dry ice) for example. They probably need ice as a cooling agent, what type it is doesn't matter, while water is needed to sustain life. Actually, no - ice IS water. "Dry ice" - is the only exception there are. The rest of materials called "frozen" or, in scientific term "solid state". Here, have a definition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice : Ice is water frozen into a solid state. (and here is other cases of using word "Ice", still not related to the solid state of other materials: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_(disambiguation))In astronomy, ice is used for any solid volatiles.
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Post by Amirit on Mar 8, 2017 13:51:31 GMT
Actually, no - ice IS water. "Dry ice" - is the only exception there are. The rest of materials called "frozen" or, in scientific term "solid state". Here, have a definition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice : Ice is water frozen into a solid state. (and here is other cases of using word "Ice", still not related to the solid state of other materials: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_(disambiguation))In astronomy, ice is used for any solid volatiles. Exactly what I said (why quoting only half of the post?): Sometimes that can be very informally called "ice" as well. And it is used in description of the planet (The terms "gas" and "ice" in this context can apply to compounds that may be solids, liquids or gases. Thus, Jupiter and Saturn are gas giants, and Uranus and Neptune are ice giants) - not when you list all the compounds you can get from the planet. The term has it's place in planetology, but I am afraid in MEA it was used in a wrong way from both - science and common sense. Still, a very minor detail compare to everything else. I would forgive it
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Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 8, 2017 14:44:12 GMT
It kind of amazes me that people who do not understand basic science complain about bioware making huge blunders and poor writing. Though 'water ice' is the most common form of ice it is not the only one. You have dry ice as an immediate example. And any liquid which at room.temperature which turns into a solid the solid form is ice. Ok, science is not my field and english is not my main language so I cannot express and explain what I want to say in some subjects but that doesn't mean you have to jump to the conclusion that I "don't understand basic science". If you read my post you would see that I was merely asking questions. Never said "Bioware made a huge blunder" I asked if they made a blunder. Later ,I also talk about Dry Ice (frozen CO2). Also ,never said anything about poor writing.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 8, 2017 15:41:57 GMT
Exactly what I said (why quoting only half of the post?): Sometimes that can be very informally called "ice" as well. And it is used in description of the planet (The terms "gas" and "ice" in this context can apply to compounds that may be solids, liquids or gases. Thus, Jupiter and Saturn are gas giants, and Uranus and Neptune are ice giants) - not when you list all the compounds you can get from the planet. The term has it's place in planetology, but I am afraid in MEA it was used in a wrong way from both - science and common sense. Still, a very minor detail compare to everything else. I would forgive it I quoted only half, because I read only half when I started to respond and I didn't bother changing my response after I read the bottom part. Anyway, doesn't change that "ice" is used to mean solid phase of more than water in astronomy (even if informally, although I don't think NASA is super informal in its publications). That's why "water ice" is used in astronomical publication, so they can distinguished all those ices. But outside of that, even if the devs meant water and (water) ice, I fail to see where there was a mistake if they need both the liquid and solid phase of water for the Nexus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 15:45:48 GMT
Because for Nexus Station the will need massive quantities of ice. Due to non-existent to early developed industrialization efforts, AI will simply not have capacity nor resources to create ice in massive quantities for long while. Finding a planet with a ton of ice is far more convenient and efficient until you start having major urban cities with sprawling industries, which would take decades if not generations to appear. Ok lookit, they clearly show construction of the Nexus occuring after reaching the Helius Cluster. It literally doubles in size. All they have to do to turn water into ice in space is build a box, fill it with water, and let it orbit the Nexus for a spell. It shouldn't take years or generations to build a sheet metal box. Yeah, running a big garden hose to a big box in space should be a real easy task. I still don't see what was wrong with Bioware telling us we need both forms (ice and water) in that sentence... gives us the flexibility to collect it in either form and covert it to the other depending where we are at the time.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 8, 2017 16:47:13 GMT
Actually, no - ice IS water. "Dry ice" - is the only exception there are. The rest of materials called "frozen" or, in scientific term "solid state". Here, have a definition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice : Ice is water frozen into a solid state. (and here is other cases of using word "Ice", still not related to the solid state of other materials: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_(disambiguation))In astronomy, ice is used for any solid volatiles. So then, what kind of "ice" do they need, besides water? CO2? Methane, Nitrogen?
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Post by Amirit on Mar 8, 2017 17:13:23 GMT
So then, what kind of "ice" do they need, besides water? CO2? Methane, Nitrogen? I would not expect an answer from that poster - your question is too long and consist of too many parts As azarhal himself says "I quoted only half, because I read only half when I started to respond and I didn't bother changing my response after I read the bottom part." Do not over-complicate things here
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 8, 2017 17:18:03 GMT
So then, what kind of "ice" do they need, besides water? CO2? Methane, Nitrogen? Nitrogen would be a good example, considering how many things we use it for. Especially when on a space ship where we don't have the Earth's capabilities of cycling it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 17:19:30 GMT
Well, Ice Magic is different from Water Magic... and, yes, I noticed it, but I thought Suvi said "water or ice" for... I dunno. Maybe it's a tribute to Expanse. But if we have to collect both, oh, my, can't frigging wait.What about capturing vapour? No?
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Post by colfoley on Mar 8, 2017 17:24:05 GMT
It kind of amazes me that people who do not understand basic science complain about bioware making huge blunders and poor writing. Though 'water ice' is the most common form of ice it is not the only one. You have dry ice as an immediate example. And any liquid which at room.temperature which turns into a solid the solid form is ice. Ok, science is not my field and english is not my main language so I cannot express and explain what I want to say in some subjects but that doesn't mean you have to jump to the conclusion that I "don't understand basic science". If you read my post you would see that I was merely asking questions. Never said "Bioware made a huge blunder" I asked if they made a blunder. Later ,I also talk about Dry Ice (frozen CO2). Also ,never said anything about poor writing. i wasn't specifically talking about your post i was directing my comments to those who haven't been as kind.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 8, 2017 17:45:36 GMT
So then, what kind of "ice" do they need, besides water? CO2? Methane, Nitrogen? Assuming they don't have technologies to create elements at will, they would still need the "building blocks of organic lives" elements: C, H, O, N. Since they already had water, only C and N are needed. For those, methane and ammonia are most like candidates for ice that they will use. They are more common on planets than pure form of C and N, and their relative reactivity makes them easier to work with.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 8, 2017 19:05:27 GMT
So then, what kind of "ice" do they need, besides water? CO2? Methane, Nitrogen? Nitrogen would be a good example, considering how many things we use it for. Especially when on a space ship where we don't have the Earth's capabilities of cycling it. This just raises another question, aren't there more efficient ways of cooling hypersupertechnologythings than water ice?
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 8, 2017 19:06:49 GMT
Well, Ice Magic is different from Water Magic... and, yes, I noticed it, but I thought Suvi said "water or ice" for... I dunno. Maybe it's a tribute to Expanse. But if we have to collect both, oh, my, can't frigging wait.What about capturing vapour? No? great now we have to secure vast quantities of steam planets too
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Post by Iakus on Mar 8, 2017 19:11:53 GMT
So then, what kind of "ice" do they need, besides water? CO2? Methane, Nitrogen? Assuming they don't have technologies to create elements at will, they would still need the "building blocks of organic lives" elements: C, H, O, N. Since they already had water, only C and N are needed. For those, methane and ammonia are most like candidates for ice that they will use. They are more common on planets than pure form of C and N, and their relative reactivity makes them easier to work with. Well, sure, but then why not say "nitrogen" or "hydrocarbons"? Or "nitrogen crystals", if frozen nitrogen is what's really needed (is liquid nitrogen not cold enough?)
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 8, 2017 19:24:58 GMT
They mean clathrate hydrates but knew nobody would know what they are - so they just dubbed it ice for us scrubs.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 8, 2017 19:57:48 GMT
They mean clathrate hydrates but knew nobody would know what they are - so they just dubbed it ice for us scrubs. The only clathrates I'm interested in are Germanium ones. You probably never heard of them. Clathrate hydrates are too common...
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Post by Sifr on Mar 8, 2017 23:04:56 GMT
Y'know the more simpler explanation is that;
Ice can be found in space and on the surface of planets.
Liquid Water can only be found on the surface of planets.
Hence the two being separated into distinct categories when talking about resource gathering.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 9, 2017 2:13:47 GMT
They mean clathrate hydrates but knew nobody would know what they are - so they just dubbed it ice for us scrubs. How do you know? Clathrate hydrates are only technically ice, and practically every element usually bound in them can be found much easier and in greater quantities in another way. I highly doubt that's what they actually meant... not BioWare.
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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 9, 2017 5:42:52 GMT
Major blunder by the writing staff? No, that doesn't happen at bioware. They only hire the most capable personnel to write the stories and create the lore for their games. Having water and ice as two separate entities makes sense, just like the concept of the crucible in ME3 made sense, and just like shepard commander's resurrection in ME2 made sense.
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Post by christsuperstar on Mar 10, 2017 12:26:40 GMT
Same difference as rocky or lava planet... Well, not really, but you catch my drift - state of matter matters!
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