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Post by saitamat56 on Mar 15, 2017 7:08:22 GMT
have seen worse deus ex mankind for eg, and tht game was small as **** with crappy facial animations
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Post by armass81 on Mar 15, 2017 10:01:47 GMT
Im voting, not so great aside from some exceptions, they are betetr than Deus Ex games and way better than Alan Wake(which ahs some of the worst face animations ive seen), but lets be realistic, its 2017, were expecting smething more at thsi point. The standards have gone up.
"We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do. The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player."
Hah, yeah. Apparently, either Frostbite cant do much or Biowares animators cant do it. Cause the quality from the 10 year old first game is pretty much the same, minus the dead eyes.
Its not a game breaker , at leats not for me cause i know the game has a shitlaod of characters and width, and the ME1 animatiosn still hold up to me today, but i just gotta wonder why, why in the hell have they not advanced seemingly at all, in 10 years, and with a new engine? Is it because the game lenght took most of the space and memory, or did they just hire some animators straight out of school? They should have outsourced this, if not to some outsiders then at least to Edmonton, that made the last trilogy.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 15, 2017 10:07:51 GMT
Seriously this is 2017 and Inquisition had better facial. On the other hand ANdromeda;s facial are like porn facials: messy that is. who on earth does not cringe in this latest eurogamer video? i just cannot defend them anymore.
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Mar 15, 2017 10:11:37 GMT
"We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do. The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player." i.imgur.com/ZckRCqG.pngi.imgur.com/0OCUviQ.png... :oki:
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 15, 2017 10:13:43 GMT
Seriously this is 2017 and Inquisition had better facial. On the other hand ANdromeda;s facial are like porn facials: messy that is. who on earth does not cringe in this latest eurogamer video? i just cannot defend them anymore. Graphics are OVERRATED. Give me a story and gameplay and Ryder could talk upside down for all I care.
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Post by beantony on Mar 15, 2017 10:15:43 GMT
flat face, dead eyes, bad eyebrows animation, aand.. mediocre lip syncs. I hope they give us option to do our own voice synchronization (hastening/delaying) like VLC player does with the movie subtitles.
but I think most of the people will get used to all of these after they played the game for a while, so it doesn't really matter to me.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 15, 2017 10:29:36 GMT
Seriously this is 2017 and Inquisition had better facial. On the other hand ANdromeda;s facial are like porn facials: messy that is. who on earth does not cringe in this latest eurogamer video? i just cannot defend them anymore. Graphics are OVERRATED. Give me a story and gameplay and Ryder could talk upside down for all I care. I agree. And then again No. Bioware should not take a pass just because i love their games. There is zero excuse for this mess. If a polish dev with half the money does excell in details then bioware should too. I love inquisition and all bioware games. Hell i like what i see in adnromeda regarding gameplay. i really do. But the facial animations are non excusable. I curse bethesda for this. I disliked the SEQUEL of deus ex as they did not evelve either. I do not like to have double standards. Bioware should fix this mess. this is a AAA title in 2017 and in all seriousness Technomancer (which i really liked) rivals andromeda in facial expressions and eωen surpasses it. Edit: i like the aestetic side of it, i like Sara;s face
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 15, 2017 11:06:14 GMT
Graphics are OVERRATED. Give me a story and gameplay and Ryder could talk upside down for all I care. I agree. And then again No. Bioware should not take a pass just because i love their games. There is zero excuse for this mess. If a polish dev with half the money does excell in details then bioware should too. I love inquisition and all bioware games. Hell i like what i see in adnromeda regarding gameplay. i really do. But the facial animations are non excusable. I curse bethesda for this. I disliked the SEQUEL of deus ex as they did not evelve either. I do not like to have double standards. Bioware should fix this mess. this is a AAA title in 2017 and in all seriousness Technomancer (which i really liked) rivals andromeda in facial expressions and een surpasses it. ME:A is game using frostbyte3 and while DA:I used it as well they are made by different studios housed in the same company. I personally don't know how much they are allowed to communicate with each others these days -especially since the EA restructuring last year or earlier this year... So if that is true then unlike many others the people working on ME:A are still learning all the quirks with Fb3. If not then it could be many things some easy and some hard to fix there are many things in programming that are like those old Christmas Lights: one burns out and none work. Also before you say they have been at it for 5 years and should know what they are doing -let me say while I don't know how the exact game development cycle goes. I do know that I heard it from somewhere -I think even a developer statement that the last thing they work on since switching to Fb3 is the conversation system... be that actual facial view or just the conversation wheel to that I could not say. That said, -to say that facial animations are horrible I would have to say we would agree to disagree. I still play Kotor on Win 10 and the mouths don't really match the voice anymore and it bothers me none. Guess you abhor those Chinese and Japanese movie translations: ? Pitty such realism is looked forward to in games. They are games after all. Realism should be left for the real world.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 15, 2017 11:22:17 GMT
I agree. And then again No. Bioware should not take a pass just because i love their games. There is zero excuse for this mess. If a polish dev with half the money does excell in details then bioware should too. I love inquisition and all bioware games. Hell i like what i see in adnromeda regarding gameplay. i really do. But the facial animations are non excusable. I curse bethesda for this. I disliked the SEQUEL of deus ex as they did not evelve either. I do not like to have double standards. Bioware should fix this mess. this is a AAA title in 2017 and in all seriousness Technomancer (which i really liked) rivals andromeda in facial expressions and een surpasses it. ME:A is game using frostbyte3 and while DA:I used it as well they are made by different studios housed in the same company. I personally don't know how much they are allowed to communicate with each others these days -especially since the EA restructuring last year or earlier this year... So if that is true then unlike many others the people working on ME:A are still learning all the quirks with Fb3. If not then it could be many things some easy and some hard to fix there are many things in programming that are like those old Christmas Lights: one burns out and none work. Also before you say they have been at it for 5 years and should know what they are doing -let me say while I don't know how the exact game development cycle goes. I do know that I heard it from somewhere -I think even a developer statement that the last thing they work on since switching to Fb3 is the conversation system... be that actual facial view or just the conversation wheel to that I could not say. That said, -to say that facial animations are horrible I would have to say we would agree to disagree. I still play Kotor on Win 10 and the mouths don't really match the voice anymore and it bothers me none. Guess you abhor those Chinese and Japanese movie translations: ? Pitty such realism is looked forward to in games. They are games after all. Realism should be left for the real world. yes i know they are different teams in inquisition and Mass effect (new team in andromeda however, the old mass effect team is elswhere). Kotor seriously had better animations for it's time. I liked Mankind divided and the bad kung fu style lipsync did not bother me as i thought it would. But without beeing hyperbolic andromeda's dead eyed gazes are immersion breaking. there is no excuse as bioware is an emblimatic well respected developer. its all about polising their game. If witcher did it then bioware should too. i do not expect uncharted 4 like animations , i do demand however decent like. and these are not decent. these are AA level like technomancer. Speaking of which i did not matter cause i knew it was a AA dev. i knew what to expect. From bioware as a loyeal hardcore fanboy i demand more.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 15, 2017 12:51:24 GMT
Graphics are OVERRATED. Give me a story and gameplay and Ryder could talk upside down for all I care. I agree. And then again No. Bioware should not take a pass just because i love their games. There is zero excuse for this mess. If a polish dev with half the money does excell in details then bioware should too. I love inquisition and all bioware games. Hell i like what i see in adnromeda regarding gameplay. i really do. But the facial animations are non excusable. I curse bethesda for this. I disliked the SEQUEL of deus ex as they did not evelve either. I do not like to have double standards. Bioware should fix this mess. this is a AAA title in 2017 and in all seriousness Technomancer (which i really liked) rivals andromeda in facial expressions and eωen surpasses it. Edit: i like the aestetic side of it, i like Sara;s face People won't appreciate the rotating head of a NPC unless it is a Bethesda/Obsidian game and then it becomes an important feature.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 15, 2017 12:54:46 GMT
Bethesda games never pretended to be highly cinematic or impressive for its "digital acting"
Digital acting is a term Casey Hudson used when they conceptualized ME1 and something he considered highly important. In fact, this is where ME1 in particular excelled next to the shoddy level design, bloated RPG progression and bad gunplay. It looked impressive as hell for a game that wasn't fully hand animated.
And now we have this. This is a spiritual successor to that game and it looks nothing short of embarrassing.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 15, 2017 14:07:35 GMT
ME:A is game using frostbyte3 and while DA:I used it as well they are made by different studios housed in the same company. I personally don't know how much they are allowed to communicate with each others these days -especially since the EA restructuring last year or earlier this year... MEA use Frostbyte 4 (DAI used 3) and it is the first BioWare game to use facial mo-capping. Going by DX:MD, MEA and Squadron 42, facial mocap is a PITA for developers...and only Squadron 42 has "infinite budget" to fix it.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 15, 2017 14:17:07 GMT
*sigh* I'd deeply appreciate it if the animators either aligned the guns during cutscenes or dropped the cutscene Avenger that makes no sense since we won't be able to make our squadmates switch weapons.
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Post by jastall on Mar 15, 2017 14:23:19 GMT
From what I have seen so far, they are decent enough, nothing spectacular but not immersion-breakingly awful either. The worst bit is the eyes, especially on humans. They just fail to be very expressive.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 15, 2017 15:04:43 GMT
flat face, dead eyes, bad eyebrows animation, aand.. mediocre lip syncs. I hope they give us option to do our own voice synchronization (hastening/delaying) like VLC player does with the movie subtitles. but I think most of the people will get used to all of these after they played the game for a while, so it doesn't really matter to me. This is basically my criticism exactly, and why I voted the facial animations as horrible. It's like their animators don't realize that people express with their entire faces, not just their mouths. Eyebrows move, eyes flick around to look at things. It's intensely unsettling to watch ever more realistic faces speak with nothing but their mouths moving, while their dead, flat eyes are locked into the distance. (And what's up with those eye textures anyway?) I agree it's not game-breaking, but it's at least a solid point off a game that's sold on its characters and storytelling. I've been watching radaway's videos with the opening few hours, and... yeah. Without spoiling, there's a scene that's supposed to be emotional, and I actually laughed out loud, because the expressions were so frozen and dead, and Sara's eyes were rolling back into her head. Shoddy work. And these are supposed to have been mocapped? I find that hard to believe, considering what I've seen. Maybe they forgot to stick the little balls around people's eyes. Don't make me break out TW3 videos, Bioware. Everyone's tired of hearing about that.
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Post by 10k on Mar 15, 2017 15:22:15 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Mac gave an interview to Gamezone a few days back. The development of ME:A force the team to push the boundaries of what the FB3 engine can do regarding facial animations. "We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do. The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player."
Perhaps, then, that Ninja Asari is just a behind the Scenes showing an artist pushing that envelope and nothing more. Another tidbit. " One of the great things about working on Mass Effect is that it’s ground in reality. .."
"'That exists? That’s here on Earth?' and then we tweak it a little bit, and now it’s alien, right?"
So, they take inspiration from Earth's own natural treasures. Article is here: www.gamezone.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-to-push-the-boundaries-of-the-frostbite-engine-3442141That is the most blatant lie ever, every game in the trilogy had much better animations. Especially if we're talking about facial animations. Not to mention I have never seen anyone shoot the carnifax pistol backwards until I met peebee
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Post by MonkeynKnot on Mar 15, 2017 15:40:02 GMT
The facial animations are decent I can get over some of it. Could be worse like Ride to Hell kind of facial animations.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Mar 15, 2017 15:42:52 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Mac gave an interview to Gamezone a few days back. The development of ME:A force the team to push the boundaries of what the FB3 engine can do regarding facial animations. "We’re pushing the boundaries of what Frostbite can do and what Mass Effect can do. The quality of the character animations is at an all-time high for us, and that’s great because it means expressiveness, emotion and a connection with the player."
Perhaps, then, that Ninja Asari is just a behind the Scenes showing an artist pushing that envelope and nothing more. Another tidbit. " One of the great things about working on Mass Effect is that it’s ground in reality. .."
"'That exists? That’s here on Earth?' and then we tweak it a little bit, and now it’s alien, right?"
So, they take inspiration from Earth's own natural treasures. Article is here: www.gamezone.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-to-push-the-boundaries-of-the-frostbite-engine-3442141That is the most blatant lie ever, every game in the trilogy had much better animations. Especially if we're talking about facial animations. Not to mention I have never seen anyone shoot the carnifax pistol backwards until I met peebee The facial animations for the original trilogy were kinda wooden to be honest. What I've seen so far (for myself) has been on the whole an improvement both in detail and animation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:45:20 GMT
the mouth animations in andromeda when someone speaks looks like 2 slugs fighting over a patch of salt. Like they've all had lip injections that went terribly wrong.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 15, 2017 15:52:08 GMT
i know this guy hates mass effect but come on!!|this is rediculous! they release a video with such a scene in it pre-release!!!! I really wonder: in those oval table meetings pre-release noone bothered mentioning this mess with the animations? did noone notice? noone thought it embarassing? noone? Or didjust everybody refused to mention the elephant in the room?
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Post by guanxi on Mar 15, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
DP. From what we've seen so far if I had to describe the facial animations in this game in 5 words or less it would be: 'dead eye stares & guppy mouths'.
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Post by guanxi on Mar 15, 2017 16:17:39 GMT
When FIFA 17's optional story mode the Journey contains better facial animations in Frostbite than a BioWare Mass Effect game in development for over 5 years something has gone horribly wrong somewhere. The humans in this game look more alien than the Aliens during conversations.
What is so puzzlingly bizarre is that Dragon Age Inquisition's animations overall were significantly better for the most part.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 15, 2017 16:22:44 GMT
Everyone seems surprised, but remember, Montreal is the studio that brought us these gems of animation:
I get the feeling that Montreal is kinda like their 'B' studio.
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