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Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 15, 2017 16:35:24 GMT
I think a huge part of the facial issues stem from the eyes.The faces aren't that bad per se...It is just the eyes are empty,dead,soulless..They don't convey emotion as they should. I watched a ton of gameplay vids since yedterday and nothing has been fixed since the trailers. Some characters are ok for example Cora and Dr.Lexi look very good for the most part but characters like Foster Addison and Suvi...They have as much life as a porcelain doll!
I have noticed a number of graphical glitches too. Without spoiling anything I have seen PeeBee fire a gun backwards and a scene where Sara is alone in a big room and suddenly people teleport in it from the ceiling.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 15, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
τThese issues exist in all games but as of right now this is insult to injury. This is salt to my wounds. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
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Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 15, 2017 16:45:46 GMT
i know this guy hates mass effect but come on!!|this is rediculous! they release a video with such a scene in it pre-release!!!! I really wonder: in those oval table meetings pre-release noone bothered mentioning this mess with the animations? did noone notice? noone thought it embarassing? noone? Or didjust everybody refused to mention the elephant in the room? Just because he is harsh with ME doesn't mean he hates it. I watch a lot of Mass Effect/Bioware game Youtubers from the pure fanboy/fangirl to the more harsh ones like Smudboy so I am not biased.I hear everyones opinion and I think labelling him as a hater is not accurate.He has said that the reason he makes those videos and puts so much time and energy into critiquing ME is because he loves the series a lot. I don't agree with everything he says but I believe him when he says he is a fan. Let's not equate criticism to hate.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 15, 2017 16:58:02 GMT
Guys, animations are fine. For example Sara perfectly reacts to seeing Poohornet for the first time. I don't know about you, but this mix of disgust and confusion is just perfect for me. MEME MACHINE
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 15, 2017 17:03:39 GMT
I think a huge part of the facial issues stem from the eyes.The faces aren't that bad per se...It is just the eyes are empty,dead,soulless..They don't convey emotion as they should. I watched a ton of gameplay vids since yedterday and nothing has been fixed since the trailers. Some characters are ok for example Cora and Dr.Lexi look very good for the most part but characters like Foster Addison and Suvi...They have as much life as a porcelain doll! I have noticed a number of graphical glitches too. Without spoiling anything I have seen PeeBee fire a gun backwards and a scene where Sara is alone in a big room and suddenly people teleport in it from the ceiling. All the footage from yesterday is without the day one patch focused on bugs and improving facial animations.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 15, 2017 17:06:50 GMT
ME:A is game using frostbyte3 and while DA:I used it as well they are made by different studios housed in the same company. I personally don't know how much they are allowed to communicate with each others these days -especially since the EA restructuring last year or earlier this year... MEA use Frostbyte 4 (DAI used 3) and it is the first BioWare game to use facial mo-capping. Going by DX:MD, MEA and Squadron 42, facial mocap is a PITA for developers...and only Squadron 42 has "infinite budget" to fix it. Umm, there is no Frostbite 4. Both MEA and DAI use Frostbite 3. That's the latest iteration of the engine.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 15, 2017 17:11:16 GMT
"BioWare animations were never good to begin with." When you're waiting for the D, but the devs didn't animate it properly. XD XD
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Post by armass81 on Mar 15, 2017 17:11:47 GMT
Yeah it seems like their quality control is either half blind, or just shrugs their shoulders and goes "ehh, close enough, time to grab a beer."
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 15, 2017 17:12:13 GMT
I think a huge part of the facial issues stem from the eyes.The faces aren't that bad per se...It is just the eyes are empty,dead,soulless..They don't convey emotion as they should. I watched a ton of gameplay vids since yedterday and nothing has been fixed since the trailers. Some characters are ok for example Cora and Dr.Lexi look very good for the most part but characters like Foster Addison and Suvi...They have as much life as a porcelain doll! I have noticed a number of graphical glitches too. Without spoiling anything I have seen PeeBee fire a gun backwards and a scene where Sara is alone in a big room and suddenly people teleport in it from the ceiling. All the footage from yesterday is without the day one patch focused on bugs and improving facial animations. Deep down inside i really wanna believe this. Cause i am totally broken from this mess.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 15, 2017 17:15:37 GMT
I doubt the patch is gonna fix the totality of animation issues, thats something you take the game back for a total polish, which they clearly didnt have time for anymore. It may eliminate bugs and glitches, like the peebees gun, but i think the animations are here to stay. Get used to them, people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 17:17:49 GMT
People who are expecting animations to be massively improved at release are setting themselves up for disappointment. There may be some improvement, but it isn't going to be a radical change this close to release. All the talk Bioware is doing about this still being worked on is damage control.
The game is going to ship with lots of jank.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 15, 2017 17:29:52 GMT
MEA use Frostbyte 4 (DAI used 3) and it is the first BioWare game to use facial mo-capping. Going by DX:MD, MEA and Squadron 42, facial mocap is a PITA for developers...and only Squadron 42 has "infinite budget" to fix it. Umm, there is no Frostbite 4. Both MEA and DAI use Frostbite 3. That's the latest iteration of the engine. I was pretty sure that DICE changed the version number when they started to add DX12 to it (see Battlefield 1). MEA is using a version of Frostbyte 3 that is over 2 years ahead of DAI then.
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Post by littlemad on Mar 15, 2017 17:56:37 GMT
I loved bioware. I played all the Dragon age games and the Mass effect. And I tell you this game for me at the moment feels like is gonna be just above of Dragon Age 2 (which was a terrible terrible flop as game). Only that instead of having reused maps is gonna have cut down on many aspect to feel there is a lack of polish. It's gonna be exactly the inverse of a polished game as zelda of the wild as world open game, or a witcher game in well written side quest and main missions.
For me the biggest of all problem is the facial animation of 2010, there is a lot of more content and I feel that I am dealing with bad representation of humans, a bit like when the original Final Fantasy movie did come out it was good, but something was off because it was yet not realistic enough.
I am telling you, I would like this game to be great, but sincerely every time that I see the human character talks, it feels like something is awfully wrong with them and... it bothers me more than I have anticipated. It's a problem with their weird eyes and lack of movement in facial expression when they talk.
If we see and compare the facial expression we notice that something is off My own analysis NO SPOILER
A video from another source that show of bad it looks, only the eyes and the mouth are moving, nothing else. SPOILERS
So yeah it feels like something unpolished and unfinished, there are so many more interesting games, much more polished that this game I believe doesn't deserve an hype, and it is gonna be just mediocre. A buy in 1 year time to get a decent discount because I am personally not feeling it, from what I saw.
What do you think about it? am I too picky? or the dead faces bothers you as well?
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Post by bigbad on Mar 15, 2017 18:00:35 GMT
I sure am glad we have a new, entirely separate thread to discuss this heretofore unknown issue.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 15, 2017 18:01:47 GMT
You'll get used to it.
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Post by littlemad on Mar 15, 2017 18:02:17 GMT
I searched about it, couldn't find anything on the face related discussion. And I wanted to hear other people opinion to understand if it was just me or it was a common feeling, I am not here to flame.
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Post by urkibalurki on Mar 15, 2017 18:02:45 GMT
Another thread about facial animation? We really needed that!
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Post by BadgerladDK on Mar 15, 2017 18:03:46 GMT
Let's not. There's been a hundred threads on it already, and yeah they're not great but hardly game breaking either.
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Post by littlemad on Mar 15, 2017 18:06:23 GMT
I agree that it is not a game break bug, but doesn't ever happen to you that something in the game bothered you too much to just care about the game?
The example is the Dragon Age 2, map re-use. It feels like a cut down product. Metal Gear Solid the end part when re-do the same mission just with some limitation, it feel a punch in the face in Konami style.
And you know full price paying 50€ / 60€ it feels like something not worth buy as day one, because exactly it feels more like a commercial move than something made to make you enjoy.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 15, 2017 18:08:39 GMT
This is what Bioware bets on. i am sure. IF this game scores less than 90 (i NEVER care for reviews but this time i ll make an exception) thi will be the first Bioware game i ll pass. I am aggravated froom the lack of polish
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Post by fiannawolf on Mar 15, 2017 18:09:11 GMT
Bless this thread.
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