I like the design for the number of skills and cooldown on profile change. I think that strikes a good balance between having a genuine reason to use multiple powers and not being completely broken by cycling through multiple combos.
I've preordered through Origin so it will come as a download but yeah I'm not sure why they are not releasing a physical version for those who want the disk, but why is this a console issue?
The interface? We haven't really had a chance to play around with it yet. My only real issue with the ME3 interface was the inability to change keys for multiplayer character kits (I imagine consoles would've liked that as well) and the messy journal (which I imagine console players would've liked changed as well).
I don't really see your point.
My belief and I could be wrong is that they are slowing down production of disk releases because they just might not sell that many to justify the cost and if the game is 40gigs in size that would be five DVDs versus one BluRay for consoles. If the case was that they didn't want the cost of producing a five disk release, have a BluRay release only for those that want a disk release even if it is just available at limited locations.
OK, I now at least see the point. Not sure what to think about that, it doesn't hurt me but I can see it being very annoying, or even literally showstopping, for some people.
Indeed, I do (and no: I don't have a "crappy internet connetction", but others I know do!), to tell somebody who lives somewhere in the countryside with a crappy connection to "go with the time" is an insult (makes you sound like some entitled "born with golden spoon in his/her mouth" kind of person) and I was NOT talking about a blue-ray (you didn't actually read my posting, did you? You skimmed it at best!)...and being "SOL" for a few gigabytes of a patch is better than having to download 40+ gigabytes for the full game (!)
Controller support? I don't want or need that on PC, I'd want propper KEYBOARD and MOUSE SUPPORT (I will never play a shooter with a controller if I have the choice to use mouse and keyboard which makes much more sense - even bad gamers are better at shooters with mouse/keyboard than with a controller)
Yeah, a gameplay decision because it only works decently on console that way (on PC you have over ten times the buttons you could assign to skills, weapons etc.!)
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2. You DO need to get with the times. Just because you may unfortunately have a slow-ass DSL connection does not mean the rest of us do. Most Americans (yes, I'm assuming America because I'm American and our internet speeds are in the middle of the road compared to worldwide) have internet speeds over 9 Mbps (over half), and over 80% have speeds over 4.5 Mbps. That's good enough to download the average AAA game in 8 hrs or less. If you don't meet those standards, then YOU are behind the curve. Not that the rest of us are "entitled" or "born with golden spoons in his/her mouth" for a simple $40/month internet connection of at least 10 Mbps, but simply that you are SOL because of where you choose to live and the limited internet services that less than 20% of Americans have to deal with, in respect to this case.
I was gonna leave this post alone until I read this little nugget.
You do realize that there's people in major metropolitan areas of upwards of 1 million or more people who have shitty internet connections, right? I have friends in town, who, through the same exact internet provider, have internet far less reliable than me and they can tell time by when their internet cuts out. Not to mention, damn near every ISP, large and small, lacks competition in nearly every region they're in and have little to no incentive to up internet speeds, provide better connections, or maintain their service, right?
You do realize that those same ISPs have either rolled out or will be rolling out significant data caps, right? I've talked to people in other cities and states with internet speeds far superior to mine, yet shudder when they have to download large games and patches because their speeds mean nothing when they have a data cap of 300GB and live in a household with other gamers and people who stream netflix.
This is all beside the fact that the government gave money to ISPs in the late 90s to mid-2000s to upgrade and build out infrastructure to these regions to disparage and they did nothing but take the money and camp on their poor networks. Or in some cases, built out networks, stopped on one half of the street in the same neighborhood, and then moved on, only to turn around to tell individual households on the other side of the street that they'll connect their homes to the service if they pay $5000+ for what's essentially dropping a cable from a pole.
This isn't an issue of people getting with the times or being behind the curve, this is an issue of ISPs in general being shitty with a lot of people having no recourse but dealing with it while people like you point and laugh, not even noticing that by this time next year, you could be in the same position or worse, especially with your faster connection prompting you to download more and more often.
See, this is why nobody likes the PC people. They start off with concern about KB+M support, which could be valid, and then suddenly it's "peasants" this and "shills" that. I'm sure it will be fine. You really won't know until the game comes out, but I agree there shouldn't be an entirely different UI in the case of the powers access.
Then again, the great and glorious PC Master Race can just mod their way out of anything, right?
Good luck modding on Frostbite.
Also, I don't know what you're talking about. Mustards are clearly superior.
You do realize that there's people in major metropolitan areas of upwards of 1 million or more people who have shitty internet connections, right? I have friends in town, who, through the same exact internet provider, have internet far less reliable than me and they can tell time by when their internet cuts out. Not to mention, damn near every ISP, large and small, lacks competition in nearly every region they're in and have little to no incentive to up internet speeds, provide better connections, or maintain their service, right?
Commercial internet services in the US are abysmal, which is tragic; because the damn thing was invented in the US using public funding, and now a duopoly of corporations are holding the technology ransom.
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I like the design for the number of skills and cooldown on profile change. I think that strikes a good balance between having a genuine reason to use multiple powers and not being completely broken by cycling through multiple combos.
I've preordered through Origin so it will come as a download but yeah I'm not sure why they are not releasing a physical version for those who want the disk, but why is this a console issue?
The interface? We haven't really had a chance to play around with it yet. My only real issue with the ME3 interface was the inability to change keys for multiplayer character kits (I imagine consoles would've liked that as well) and the messy journal (which I imagine console players would've liked changed as well).
I don't really see your point.
My belief and I could be wrong is that they are slowing down production of disk releases because they just might not sell that many to justify the cost and if the game is 40gigs in size that would be five DVDs versus one BluRay for consoles. If the case was that they didn't want the cost of producing a five disk release, have a BluRay release only for those that want a disk release even if it is just available at limited locations.
Yeah I'm starting to think they should start switching to blu-ray as PC's can use blu ray drives heck I've even got one in my machine. It cretainly would help those that do have a dodsgy internet connection as it can take me a few hours to download something of MEA's size in some cases even a whole day. Sometimes when I have to reinstall the ME trilogy onto my system it can take most of the day to do so and that's mostly because of the DLC's as Origin isn't that efficient at downloading where I am. Although I think it has been better since the more recent upgrades but still it could be better. It's mostly ME3 that's the problem as that has to go all through Origin. Whereas I use my standalone copy of ME2 which definitely installs faster also I have all the ME2 DLC's saved onto a flashdrive so it all goes in nice fast and smooth. I tried the trilogy copy of ME2 once and that one took forever to do what with all ME2's DLC's as well.
Admittedly I don't want to have to get MEA this way but if I want it this is my only choice so in situations like this we have to just put up and shut up either that or don't buy it. Personally with a ME game I don't really think I can turn my back on it given the countless fun hours I've enjoyed on the trilogy so I feel obliged really to support Andromeda.Especially as like the trilogy it's looking a fun game as well.
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You people are forgetting it's not all about internet connection. Some people just prefere disc editions. And we should be able to get them. Code in the box is stupid because why should I bother then.
My belief and I could be wrong is that they are slowing down production of disk releases because they just might not sell that many to justify the cost and if the game is 40gigs in size that would be five DVDs versus one BluRay for consoles. If the case was that they didn't want the cost of producing a five disk release, have a BluRay release only for those that want a disk release even if it is just available at limited locations.
Yeah I'm starting to think they should start switching to blu-ray as PC's can use blu ray drives heck I've even got one in my machine. It cretainly would help those that do have a dodsgy internet connection as it can take me a few hours to download something of MEA's size in some cases even a whole day. Sometimes when I have to reinstall the ME trilogy onto my system it can take most of the day to do so and that's mostly because of the DLC's as Origin isn't that efficient at downloading where I am. Although I think it has been better since the more recent upgrades but still it could be better. It's mostly ME3 that's the problem as that has to go all through Origin. Whereas I use my standalone copy of ME2 which definitely installs faster also I have all the ME2 DLC's saved onto a flashdrive so it all goes in nice fast and smooth. I tried the trilogy copy of ME2 once and that one took forever to do what with all ME2's DLC's as well.
Admittedly I don't want to have to get MEA this way but if I want it this is my only choice so in situations like this we have to just put up and shut up either that or don't buy it. Personally with a ME game I don't really think I can turn my back on it given the countless fun hours I've enjoyed on the trilogy so I feel obliged really to support Andromeda.Especially as like the trilogy it's looking a fun game as well.
The problem with that is that I don't have a blu-ray drive. Blu-ray drives can read DVDs, but not the other way around. For me to get a Blu-Ray drive would be $50 bare minimum for the upgrade; higher if I factor in the fact that before the end of the year, I'm going to be building an ultra-small form factor PC and thus would have to rely on an external drive since there'd be no way for a regular drive to fit in such a small case.
For me, I could maybe justify it because with a usff PC, I can shove it in the living room in an entertainment center and use my PC as a blu-ray player; not everyone could justify the upgrade when DVD suffices and then we're still back to square one of people having to download the game because they have no drive that works with the disc.
You people are forgetting it's not all about internet connection. Some people just prefere disc editions. And we should be able to get them. Code in the box is stupid because why should I bother then.
You preferring something doesn't necessarily mean that it makes sense for EA to manufacture it.
Having said that, it's not obvious to me why they don't just keep making DVD editions and jack up the price on them. That would drive people to downloads, but that's what EA wants. I suppose they're not willing to destroy the retailers just yet.
Sadly, almost all titles that are on PC and console are designed mainly for the consoles and then ported to PC which is why the PC, which is the superior console in almost every way, gets shafted in most cases. Luckily most GOOD companies minimize the effect, but I think it shouldn't be too bad for Andromeda.
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Yeah I'm starting to think they should start switching to blu-ray as PC's can use blu ray drives heck I've even got one in my machine. It cretainly would help those that do have a dodsgy internet connection as it can take me a few hours to download something of MEA's size in some cases even a whole day. Sometimes when I have to reinstall the ME trilogy onto my system it can take most of the day to do so and that's mostly because of the DLC's as Origin isn't that efficient at downloading where I am. Although I think it has been better since the more recent upgrades but still it could be better. It's mostly ME3 that's the problem as that has to go all through Origin. Whereas I use my standalone copy of ME2 which definitely installs faster also I have all the ME2 DLC's saved onto a flashdrive so it all goes in nice fast and smooth. I tried the trilogy copy of ME2 once and that one took forever to do what with all ME2's DLC's as well.
Admittedly I don't want to have to get MEA this way but if I want it this is my only choice so in situations like this we have to just put up and shut up either that or don't buy it. Personally with a ME game I don't really think I can turn my back on it given the countless fun hours I've enjoyed on the trilogy so I feel obliged really to support Andromeda.Especially as like the trilogy it's looking a fun game as well.
The problem with that is that I don't have a blu-ray drive. Blu-ray drives can read DVDs, but not the other way around. For me to get a Blu-Ray drive would be $50 bare minimum for the upgrade; higher if I factor in the fact that before the end of the year, I'm going to be building an ultra-small form factor PC and thus would have to rely on an external drive since there'd be no way for a regular drive to fit in such a small case.
For me, I could maybe justify it because with a usff PC, I can shove it in the living room in an entertainment center and use my PC as a blu-ray player; not everyone could justify the upgrade when DVD suffices and then we're still back to square one of people having to download the game because they have no drive that works with the disc.
This isn't any different then when games stopped being released on CDs, people were upset that they had perfectly good CD drives in their computers and a DVD drive was an unnecessary expense. This was about the same time as well when games were requiring four or more CDs. At least this time if you don't want to invest in a Blu-Ray players you can still use digital downloads. Unless you want the cost of games to go up to cover the additional costs they have for producing five or six DVDs.
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Yeah I'm starting to think they should start switching to blu-ray as PC's can use blu ray drives heck I've even got one in my machine. It cretainly would help those that do have a dodsgy internet connection as it can take me a few hours to download something of MEA's size in some cases even a whole day. Sometimes when I have to reinstall the ME trilogy onto my system it can take most of the day to do so and that's mostly because of the DLC's as Origin isn't that efficient at downloading where I am. Although I think it has been better since the more recent upgrades but still it could be better. It's mostly ME3 that's the problem as that has to go all through Origin. Whereas I use my standalone copy of ME2 which definitely installs faster also I have all the ME2 DLC's saved onto a flashdrive so it all goes in nice fast and smooth. I tried the trilogy copy of ME2 once and that one took forever to do what with all ME2's DLC's as well.
Admittedly I don't want to have to get MEA this way but if I want it this is my only choice so in situations like this we have to just put up and shut up either that or don't buy it. Personally with a ME game I don't really think I can turn my back on it given the countless fun hours I've enjoyed on the trilogy so I feel obliged really to support Andromeda.Especially as like the trilogy it's looking a fun game as well.
The problem with that is that I don't have a blu-ray drive. Blu-ray drives can read DVDs, but not the other way around. For me to get a Blu-Ray drive would be $50 bare minimum for the upgrade; higher if I factor in the fact that before the end of the year, I'm going to be building an ultra-small form factor PC and thus would have to rely on an external drive since there'd be no way for a regular drive to fit in such a small case.
For me, I could maybe justify it because with a usff PC, I can shove it in the living room in an entertainment center and use my PC as a blu-ray player; not everyone could justify the upgrade when DVD suffices and then we're still back to square one of people having to download the game because they have no drive that works with the disc.
I'm only suggesting it as an option of getting around the bad internet connection problem that's all. I'm just saying that the more options there aer the better it is for everyone. Whilst it is a pain having to download games and all that and it can take time in my case it's not too much of a problem as I just generally leave the game downloading in the background while I do something else. But I have to admit I do prefer having disc copies for games like MEA because of their size but we do have to adapt to getting a lot of games on download now if we want to play them.
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The problem with that is that I don't have a blu-ray drive. Blu-ray drives can read DVDs, but not the other way around. For me to get a Blu-Ray drive would be $50 bare minimum for the upgrade; higher if I factor in the fact that before the end of the year, I'm going to be building an ultra-small form factor PC and thus would have to rely on an external drive since there'd be no way for a regular drive to fit in such a small case.
For me, I could maybe justify it because with a usff PC, I can shove it in the living room in an entertainment center and use my PC as a blu-ray player; not everyone could justify the upgrade when DVD suffices and then we're still back to square one of people having to download the game because they have no drive that works with the disc.
This isn't any different then when games stopped being released on CDs, people were upset that they had perfectly good CD drives in their computers and a DVD drive was an unnecessary expense. This was about the same time as well when games were requiring four or more CDs. At least this time if you don't want to invest in a Blu-Ray players you can still use digital downloads. Unless you want the cost of games to go up to cover the additional costs they have for producing five or six DVDs.
Indeed in fact I've got a game that's spread across 7 CD's in fact
This isn't any different then when games stopped being released on CDs, people were upset that they had perfectly good CD drives in their computers and a DVD drive was an unnecessary expense. This was about the same time as well when games were requiring four or more CDs. At least this time if you don't want to invest in a Blu-Ray players you can still use digital downloads. Unless you want the cost of games to go up to cover the additional costs they have for producing five or six DVDs.
Indeed in fact I've got a game that's spread across 7 CD's in fact
I think GTA V had 7 or 8 and it was similar in size to Andromeda (55GB) so Andromeda would have likely needed 7-8. I can see why they got rid of them to be honest.
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Indeed in fact I've got a game that's spread across 7 CD's in fact
I think GTA V had 7 or 8 and it was similar in size to Andromeda (55GB) so Andromeda would have likely needed 7-8. I can see why they got rid of them to be honest.
Perhaps but it dosen't invalidate the possibility of switching over to Blu ray really for anyone.
This isn't any different then when games stopped being released on CDs, people were upset that they had perfectly good CD drives in their computers and a DVD drive was an unnecessary expense. This was about the same time as well when games were requiring four or more CDs. At least this time if you don't want to invest in a Blu-Ray players you can still use digital downloads. Unless you want the cost of games to go up to cover the additional costs they have for producing five or six DVDs.
There is a difference; everyone knew that there was a physical medium that was the next stage of storage, and that isn't the case today. When you went away from VHS or cassette tapes, you knew you were getting CDs and DVDs. Today, people are moving from DVDs, but they're getting netflix or digital downloads, so they're forgoing players and drives and aren't updating their equipment. And for music and movies, that's fine. An album is 120MB at the most and most movie downloads are 1-4GB, and compression can bring those down further. People who went digital wholesale now have a drive that's paid for itself over the 10+ year lifespan, and the scenario is pushing them toward a $50+ expenditure that's ultimately obsolete for the vast majority of their media usage.
I'm only suggesting it as an option of getting around the bad internet connection problem that's all. I'm just saying that the more options there aer the better it is for everyone. Whilst it is a pain having to download games and all that and it can take time in my case it's not too much of a problem as I just generally leave the game downloading in the background while I do something else. But I have to admit I do prefer having disc copies for games like MEA because of their size but we do have to adapt to getting a lot of games on download now if we want to play them.
I know, but considering that more people have DVD drives than Blu-Ray drives, you're going to reach a broader audience with sticking with DVDs.
You people are forgetting it's not all about internet connection. Some people just prefere disc editions. And we should be able to get them. Code in the box is stupid because why should I bother then.
Disk releases on pc are no longer cost effective, not just for EA, but any company. Because no one goes to a store to buy PC games anymore, most people just buy digital.
If you wanna blame someone you should blame consumers, gaming publishers are just following trends.
2. You DO need to get with the times. Just because you may unfortunately have a slow-ass DSL connection does not mean the rest of us do. Most Americans (yes, I'm assuming America because I'm American and our internet speeds are in the middle of the road compared to worldwide) have internet speeds over 9 Mbps (over half), and over 80% have speeds over 4.5 Mbps. That's good enough to download the average AAA game in 8 hrs or less. If you don't meet those standards, then YOU are behind the curve. Not that the rest of us are "entitled" or "born with golden spoons in his/her mouth" for a simple $40/month internet connection of at least 10 Mbps, but simply that you are SOL because of where you choose to live and the limited internet services that less than 20% of Americans have to deal with, in respect to this case.
I was gonna leave this post alone until I read this little nugget.
You do realize that there's people in major metropolitan areas of upwards of 1 million or more people who have shitty internet connections, right? I have friends in town, who, through the same exact internet provider, have internet far less reliable than me and they can tell time by when their internet cuts out. Not to mention, damn near every ISP, large and small, lacks competition in nearly every region they're in and have little to no incentive to up internet speeds, provide better connections, or maintain their service, right?
You do realize that those same ISPs have either rolled out or will be rolling out significant data caps, right? I've talked to people in other cities and states with internet speeds far superior to mine, yet shudder when they have to download large games and patches because their speeds mean nothing when they have a data cap of 300GB and live in a household with other gamers and people who stream netflix.
This is all beside the fact that the government gave money to ISPs in the late 90s to mid-2000s to upgrade and build out infrastructure to these regions to disparage and they did nothing but take the money and camp on their poor networks. Or in some cases, built out networks, stopped on one half of the street in the same neighborhood, and then moved on, only to turn around to tell individual households on the other side of the street that they'll connect their homes to the service if they pay $5000+ for what's essentially dropping a cable from a pole.
This isn't an issue of people getting with the times or being behind the curve, this is an issue of ISPs in general being shitty with a lot of people having no recourse but dealing with it while people like you point and laugh, not even noticing that by this time next year, you could be in the same position or worse, especially with your faster connection prompting you to download more and more often.
just wanted to ask your opinion on this, because as far as we know:
We will not get an optimized UI for the PC, we will not have access to as many skills as we could have (without needing profiles and all that jazz!) and finally we won't even be getting a DVD? I mean they do know that not everybody is fortunate enough to have a decent internet connection (I do, but I know how it is not to have one, I've had very slow DSL for a long time and frankly I hated it!), don't they?
Sure there's some other things I have missed, but over all it sounds like they are more or less ignoring us (more so after DA:I were people were already complaining and rightfully so!)!
So the stage is your's: DISCUSS!
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I agree. I hate how annoying it is for games on PC that want you to use a controller. Something most don't see a problem with right? Well I do. When I try using a controller for anymore than a few minutes; -I end up going to the hospital with hands swollen 3 times the normal size and no it is not kidney related they checked many times. Also not gout either. Doctors don't know what it is.
Again an annoyance but this time one I think we can get around with the possibility of upgrades that will reduce cooldowns... still would have preferred what you suggested.
Care for a handshake? Let me introduce myself: Guy with a lame connection. Don't know what a great connection is. Up till this month I had the $40 connection AND YES that is only 0.50MBs. I upped it to $50 this month and only now get 1.00MBs and they say If want the max they offer: 3MBs then I need to go to $100!!!!! Also before anyone suggests getting another provider -these rip-offers are the only ones in this area... unless i want Dial-Up... oye I remember those days. It is a shame though if I was going to have to download ME:A it would not fair well since I use this connection for work as well.
It may be wrong or confusion on my part but according to a message I sent to Ian S. Frazier there is supposed to be a Disk version of ME:A for PC:
Sorry to not contact via social media -I am not on twitter or facebook (the latter for some reason causes me BSOD's ). I do not have a fast internet speed: 0.50 Mbs metered capped connection. So I can not download the game -for the PC version. Heard that there would be an actual physical disk version and that it would be the standard edition. Noticed two versions of the standard edition -normal and digital. www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-Andromeda-PC/dp/B00ZPZQKIG/ref=sr_1_2_twi_gam_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1488084026&sr=1-2&th=1 However the image for the standard edition shows it is just a download code in a case: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71E6j2BJ5AL._AC_SX215_.jpg Is this image out of date and only for the digital standard edition or also for the other standard edition as well and there is no actual physical disk version? Do I have cause for concern or do I go ahead order and which version?
That said, what country are you in? It's possible there are certain territitories where we're doing digital-only for some reason. I could look into it.
I'm probably gonna need all six days I get for the preload for the game too finish. Possibly more. But c'est la vie, it's not realistic to expect a business to maintain inefficient distribution practices cuz a small percentage of their base would be better off with hard copies.
Unfortunately I was misinformed about this, and tweeted a correction earlier today when I found out: the disc version for pc is apparently NOT in North America. It is in Europe, but in NA it's just a d/l code in the box. I'm not sure about other territories.
If Tom's Hardware is any guide, home builders are giving up on optical drives altogether.
Yeah there's not much incentive to bother with an optical drive if people are downloading or streaming whatever it is they want to use on their system anyway. I can't remember the last time I even used the optical on my laptop.
(on PC you have over ten times the buttons you could assign to skills, weapons etc.!)
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