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Post by leafspring on Mar 11, 2017 19:49:43 GMT
Honestly though, katanas are shit-tier swords. Why would the Asari use them? That's like concluding a fork is inferior to a spoon because it's worse at eating soup with... But hey, quality German television... She should be a second stage asari if she's ex Justicar. I swear it's like the people that think this stuff up have little to no idea of Mass Effect lore. Like they played the game once or twice and never bothered to try to understand what anything meant. Pathetic. I played the ME games many many times and I have no issues with an ex-Justicar. I do agree on the first part, though.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 11, 2017 20:25:24 GMT
That's like concluding a fork is inferior to a spoon because it's worse at eating soup with... But hey, quality German television... I just don't like the whole katana hype. It's probably the most overrated bladed weapon.
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Post by kinggavorn on Mar 11, 2017 20:39:00 GMT
That's like concluding a fork is inferior to a spoon because it's worse at eating soup with... But hey, quality German television... I just don't like the whole katana hype. It's probably the most overrated bladed weapon. Can we really talk about " Katana hype " ? Sure the character itself is the " Female space ninja badass gymnast " type, but they have to give some of what they want to everybody I'm sure there will be more " serious " or " Lore " characters
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 11, 2017 21:16:05 GMT
I just don't like the whole katana hype. It's probably the most overrated bladed weapon. Can we really talk about " Katana hype " ? Sure the character itself is the " Female space ninja badass gymnast " type, but they have to give some of what they want to everybody I'm sure there will be more " serious " or " Lore " characters I'm talking about all the internet weaboos who revere the katana as the ultimate sword, folded millions of times and able to cut through anything. The reason why they had to fold their steel so much is that they had shit-tier iron ore and inferior smelting processes. The katana was more of a side-arm or last resort weapon for samurai, as well as a status symbol in peace times to fight honor duels and cut down uppity peasants. I'd rather have an omni-sword or something like that.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 11, 2017 21:16:50 GMT
Honestly though, katanas are shit-tier swords. Why would the Asari use them? Well that just depends. (Note that I am simply going to refer to "Ninja Swords" and "Knight Swords", you know what I mean) Knight Swords had to be more durable because Knights were fighting people in full mail/plate armor, often carrying big slabs of metal known as "Shields" Ninja Swords has to be light and maneuverable because Ninjas were fighting people who could jump 500 feet up into the air and throw fireballs
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 11, 2017 21:22:56 GMT
Knight Swords had to be more durable because Knights were fighting people in full mail/plate armor, often carrying big slabs of metal known as "Shields" Ninja Swords has to be light and maneuverable because Ninjas were fighting people who could jump 500 feet up into the air and throw fireballs I see what you did there.
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Post by leafspring on Mar 11, 2017 21:57:19 GMT
That's like concluding a fork is inferior to a spoon because it's worse at eating soup with... But hey, quality German television... I just don't like the whole katana hype. It's probably the most overrated bladed weapon. Well, it is a very beautiful weapon with its sleek and elegant design. Pretending for it to be more than just a piece of decoration or art in our modern world is stupid, though. Same goes for regarding it as inherently superior to other bladed weapons. And to be honest, the duelist kit would probably make more sense using tanto-style weapons for melee combat but they just don't look as cool I guess.
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Post by midasear on Mar 11, 2017 22:26:49 GMT
Uhg...ninja swords.
There is no such thing as a ninja sword. A ninja would not be caught dead carrying a sword of any type, because if he did, he'd be dead right after he was caught. A commoner carrying a sword in feudal Japan during the era ninjas were an actual thing got an instant death sentence by katana chop.
A real ninja waits for your bodyguard to go off and take a piss at night, kills him with an improvised garrote, then carefully hides the body. Then he uses _that_ guy's sword to kill you, and leaves the now bloody sword nearby so it look like the hapless bodyguard did it.
Edit: That is assuming the ninja is a he, which is about 50/50. Ninjas were smart to know that everyone suspects the butler, but nobody ever suspects the scullery maid.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 11, 2017 22:36:20 GMT
Stop derailing the thread to the route of the old and tired argument of weaboo trash metal scraps vs beautiful European claymores and zweihanders.
Back to me ranting and raving about the precious lore in MP
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 11, 2017 22:40:13 GMT
Uhg...ninja swords. There is no such thing as a ninja sword. A ninja would not be caught dead carrying a sword of any type, because if he did, he'd be dead right after he was caught. A commoner carrying a sword in feudal Japan during the era ninjas were an actual thing got an instant death sentence by katana chop. A real ninja waits for your bodyguard to go off and take a piss at night, kills him with an improvised garrote, then carefully hides the body. Then he uses _that_ guy's sword to kill you, and leaves the now bloody sword nearby so it look like the hapless bodyguard did it. Edit: That is assuming the ninja is a he, which is about 50/50. Ninjas were smart to know that everyone suspects the butler, but nobody ever suspects the scullery maid. www.realultimatepower.net/ninja/hatemail.htm
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Post by Pearl on Mar 11, 2017 23:00:03 GMT
That's like concluding a fork is inferior to a spoon because it's worse at eating soup with... But hey, quality German television... I just don't like the whole katana hype. It's probably the most overrated bladed weapon.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 12, 2017 6:46:33 GMT
This sounds like a very personal story of a certain asari.
Like someone who signed up with the Justicars and then basically ran away and now like so many else, regrets that too. But kept her training.
I'm actually not that bothered.
A Justicar doesn't need to be old. I think you're imagining that requirement. A former Justicar means she gave up the Code. There you go.
I know Samara was Oh So Serious about her Code but she was also particularly written to have personally steeled herself in preparation for killing her daughter. Its why she joined anyway, though I'm not sure that's explicitly proven, its at least super likely. There's a selfishness element to it all and I can easily imagine some younger Justicar seeing that this aged order is not all its cracked up to be in the stories and running off on another adventure.
Silly? Sure. But only a little, imo.
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Post by DayusMakhina on Mar 12, 2017 6:50:20 GMT
Don't give a hoots about the lore aspect in MP really, but... the Asari Duelist is just totally a 'rule of cool' character. Have absolutely no clamour to use that kit.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 12, 2017 9:18:57 GMT
Well, I suppose we will know who is who in ME:A. Players who use asari duelist? Shun them, they are last hour heathens: fools to be eaten. Players who headbutt back? Proper chaps.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Mar 12, 2017 9:25:26 GMT
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 12, 2017 9:46:21 GMT
Well, I suppose we will know who is who in ME:A. Players who use asari duelist? Shun them, they are last hour heathens: fools to be eaten. Players who headbutt back? Proper chaps. A properly played Duelist might be pretty decent, even fun. Of course expect to see 90% poorly played ones.
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Post by leafspring on Mar 12, 2017 10:23:22 GMT
A Justicar doesn't need to be old. I think you're imagining that requirement. Kinda depends on what you consider old for an Asari, really. From the ME codex: Given that Asari younger than 100 years are basically considered children, we can assume any Justicar to be at least around 400 years old. But to be quite honest, I feel we gave more thought to her back story in this thread than the devs did when they came up with her. Games like ME usually have someone in charge of the lore, so they probably thought a former Justicar space ninja chick sounded cool, got that guy to sign off the fact that a Justicar can leave the ranks of the order and be done with it... Besides, she might officially still be a Justicar and just have fled and called herself a former Justicar because she no longer follows the code...
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Post by Sailears on Mar 12, 2017 11:45:24 GMT
Now that looks like a fun character!
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 12, 2017 11:51:14 GMT
Well, I suppose we will know who is who in ME:A. Players who use asari duelist? Shun them, they are last hour heathens: fools to be eaten. Players who headbutt back? Proper chaps. A properly played Duelist might be pretty decent, even fun. Of course expect to see 90% poorly played ones. So the Mass Effect version of Genji? I totally don't play Genji all the time in Overwatch. Definitely not.
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Post by Wynne on Mar 12, 2017 11:55:59 GMT
Asari: JusticarsDespite the refinement and sophistication of asari culture, criminality remains a fact of life. The asari solution to the most vicious and destructive criminal element is the Justicar Order. Justicars are an asari class of virtually untouchable, extrajudicial executioners operating almost exclusively within asari territory. In the last decade alone, Justicars have smashed dozens of criminal rings inside asari territory, operated by asari and non-asari alike. Their methods range from subtle where possible, to brutal where necessary. Trained for extreme-strength, biotic capacity, resourcefulness, asceticism, and ruthlessness, the fanatical justicars are romanticized and feared throughout asari society. Although justicars generally work alone, their effectiveness arises from the huge body of knowledge they can access. Any asari who enters the ranks of justicars has already spent centuries in a combination of criminal investigation, military intelligence, and combat experience; the collective body of justicar knowledge exceeds even that of the Spectres. Justicars tend to be independent, requiring little help but also scorning it since such advanced skill and experience usually travels with a powerful ego. The conflicts presented by such arrogance prompted the Justicar Order to develop the Oaths of Subsumation. The oaths pledge protection of the innocent, the punishment of the guilty, and defence of common law and the norms of asari society. The effect of the Oaths is conservative, ensuring that justicars respect the existing distribution of asari power rather than staging a coup to rearrange society according to justicar satisfation. Nevertheless, the possibility of such an attack is a source of anxiety -- and counter-intelligence -- among the asari elite. Of all the pledges, the Third Oath of Subsumation is sworn the least of any of the oaths. Requiring a justicar to swear loyalty that overrides the dictates of even the Justicar Code, the Third Oath is usually invoked in matters where even the black-or-white thinking of justicars is forced to concede the existence of gray. ------------------------------------ Does this sound like a job you can quit? We move from Samara devotion to space Bushido that requires her to fight evil and protect the innocents and even kill authorities if necessary to achieve the goal (of greater good), to space ninja with a 'cool' sword that has 'doubts about going to new galaxy'. To do what? Fight off waves of enemies? At least ME3MP was always about fighting the war against the Reapers, so these problems weren't so blatant. I will really need a Volus Sentinel in MEAMP to get over this. So Justicars are specifically described as arrogant egotists, but you're complaining about her smug expression. Justicars' jurisdiction is almost EXCLUSIVELY asari space, but you're complaining about her being a former justicar out in unknown territory where she may not feel the Code is as applicable. Uh, highly logical, I guess? Harboring doubts about her choice seems plenty logical to me--anyone would have moments like that, really. She doesn't look excruciatingly smug to me--she looks supremely confident, but also sad or regretful. And that sword looks more like a falchion than a katana. Katanas are curved on the whole blade, not just at the tip. She also doesn't really look any younger facially than Samara or Matriarch Aethyta or Benezia. You can't even see whether there are lines around her eyes for sure, but it looks a bit like there ARE. She's also an Ultra Rare. I'm a lorehound too, but this doesn't bust my chops at all. She'd better be badass, though. That part is canonical.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 12, 2017 17:19:39 GMT
A Justicar doesn't need to be old. I think you're imagining that requirement. Kinda depends on what you consider old for an Asari, really. From the ME codex: Given that Asari younger than 100 years are basically considered children, we can assume any Justicar to be at least around 400 years old. But to be quite honest, I feel we gave more thought to her back story in this thread than the devs did when they came up with her. Games like ME usually have someone in charge of the lore, so they probably thought a former Justicar space ninja chick sounded cool, got that guy to sign off the fact that a Justicar can leave the ranks of the order and be done with it... Besides, she might officially still be a Justicar and just have fled and called herself a former Justicar because she no longer follows the code... Oh yeah I meant young relative for Asari. And yes that it'd be a Justicar that fled the responsibility.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 12, 2017 17:22:31 GMT
Kinda depends on what you consider old for an Asari, really. From the ME codex: Given that Asari younger than 100 years are basically considered children, we can assume any Justicar to be at least around 400 years old. But to be quite honest, I feel we gave more thought to her back story in this thread than the devs did when they came up with her. Games like ME usually have someone in charge of the lore, so they probably thought a former Justicar space ninja chick sounded cool, got that guy to sign off the fact that a Justicar can leave the ranks of the order and be done with it... Besides, she might officially still be a Justicar and just have fled and called herself a former Justicar because she no longer follows the code... Oh yeah I meant young relative for Asari. And yes that it'd be a Justicar that fled the responsibility. Assuming they reach physical maturity around 20 years, they could still have 80 years of experience with law enforcement before becomming a Justicar at age 100, which is still relatively young for an Asari. So it's not really a stretch for an "ex Justicar" who decided the life wasn't for her to be so "young". It makes sense enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 19:10:57 GMT
Oh, awesome, more garbage weaboo spaceswordshit.
They put this dumbshit on a quarian and I will literally buy a katana just to seppuku myself.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 13, 2017 3:05:19 GMT
I know this will be an unpopular, minority opinion. But I not only like the addition of melee weapons, I think its actually in keeping with the lore. In fact, given the technologies that get described and used, deployment of melee weapons would be practically mandatory for a military organization. But my favorite Sci-fi novel as a kid was Dune. Dune makes clear early on that the technology of personal shields had rendered ballistic weapons like firearms an extremely unreliable means of killing someone. A combatant unprepared to fight with a blade was going to die quickly if charged directly. Hand-to-hand combat was less possibility than inevitability. Frankly, this sounds an AWFUL lot like the Mass Effect trilogy, where various defenses, including personal shields, turn both Shepard and the bad guys into bulletsponges. Plus, I really want to use Biotic charge + Krogan hammer and feel good about it. So neener, neener to you killjoys! This would be really awesome IF swords ignored the shield gate. Then the risk/reward of using swords would be good. But I'm pretty sure on high difficulties that I'm going to run up to a krogan and do my little melee dance and then just get completely rekt by his graal.
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