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Post by Iakus on Mar 11, 2017 19:52:08 GMT
I prefer Two Steps from Hell myself. Call my cynical, but I can't help but wonder if the song is also a subtle dig at the ME3 ending controversy "I'm only human, after all/Don't put the blame on me" Chewin did imply he preferred the former. The song was chosen by EA. Even if you're right, Bioware had no role in it. It fits the theme of Andromeda better in any case. And I was agreeing. EA's marketing clearly has no idea how to market MEA, and are pushing it just like any other shooter. Kill aliens. Bang blue space babes, etc. I have no idea how this song fits Andromeda's "theme" anyway. I thought speculating on what's in the game was a BAD THING. Or is it just BAD to be skeptical?
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 11, 2017 20:29:20 GMT
Chewin did imply he preferred the former. The song was chosen by EA. Even if you're right, Bioware had no role in it. It fits the theme of Andromeda better in any case. And I was agreeing. EA's marketing clearly has no idea how to market MEA, and are pushing it just like any other shooter. Kill aliens. Bang blue space babes, etc. I have no idea how this song fits Andromeda's "theme" anyway. I thought speculating on what's in the game was a BAD THING. Or is it just BAD to be skeptical? It's not wrong speculating either way. At least in my opinion.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2017 20:32:16 GMT
Oh my. Smud got to it. Be right back, have to go catch my lungs. Smudboy used to informative in his critiques, but nowanddays he really sounds like this:
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Post by Iakus on Mar 11, 2017 20:41:57 GMT
Oh my. Smud got to it. Be right back, have to go catch my lungs. Smudboy used to informative in his critiques, but nowanddays he really sounds like this: I dunno. With a couple of exceptions, he pretty much nailed it with that video.
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Post by midasear on Mar 11, 2017 20:42:14 GMT
I hates the trailer when I first watched it, specifically because the music seemed a terrible fit to my nostalgic feelz about Mass Effect.
But curious where the music came from, Bing lead me to the artist's video up on Youtube. Earworm inflicted.
After humming the piece to myself for several hours, I sort of like the music. And sort of like the trailer.
Curse you, earworm!
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2017 20:44:20 GMT
Smudboy used to informative in his critiques, but nowanddays he really sounds like this: I dunno. With a couple of exceptions, he pretty much nailed it with that video. Nailed what? A Launch trailer created for hype, the criticisms I can think of is the song and probably the fact they spoiled a little too much about the enemy. He's just making this video to appease the people against Bioware.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 11, 2017 20:50:10 GMT
I dunno. With a couple of exceptions, he pretty much nailed it with that video. Nailed what? A Launch trailer created for hype, the criticisms I can think of is the song and probably the fact they spoiled a little too much about the enemy. He's just making this video to appease the people against Bioware. And the "hype" in that trailer is pretty uninspired. This trailer makes MEA look like an generic paint by numbers shooter
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Post by Amirit on Mar 11, 2017 23:10:48 GMT
Rifts! It has rifts! Do we get to close it? NOW DAI in space is totally confirmed!
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Post by Pearl on Mar 11, 2017 23:17:04 GMT
Meh.
Still being marketed as a generic sci-fi shooter, and the music doesn't really fit in my opinion.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 11, 2017 23:39:07 GMT
I'm not keeping pace with MEA development so my general perception of what it's going to be is; going to a new galaxy, exploration, establish colonies, running into opposition with new alien races.
I didn't finish watching the trailer as I was turned off by the music. It does not evoke a sense of the unfathomable expanse of the universe, of the new worlds and races waiting to be found / understood, of the adversities waiting to be surmounted. I didn't hear the lyrics, I heard the beat and the voice that jangled with the images, that speaks of maverick havoc. It was so unpalatable that I cut it off midway.
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Post by fiannawolf on Mar 12, 2017 3:55:43 GMT
To be honest, Smud keeps me grounded so I don't fall for another hype train. Last time I did that it was for NMS. Sure he nitpiks like crazy but I find it rather entertaining. I think he should branch out to movies and even more games.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Mar 12, 2017 3:57:37 GMT
Well it is no Two Steps from Hell trailer, but that is OK, since I found the delivery of the song's message to be much more powerful with this trailer. Considering how Rag'N'Bone's song is about the human condition, and our inability to be perfect or even fix many of the problems that we as individuals face in our lives, the song really fits the trailer wherein it acts as a powerful and despairing lamentation that acknowledges both our problems and our limited ability to resolve our issues, which fits nicely into Andromeda, and what the characters will face. Very "human-centric" for sure, but either way, it gets the message across splendidly. You........I like you.
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Post by luke on Mar 12, 2017 6:48:58 GMT
I'm not keeping pace with MEA development so my general perception of what it's going to be is; going to a new galaxy, exploration, establish colonies, running into opposition with new alien races. I didn't finish watching the trailer as I was turned off by the music. It does not evoke a sense of the unfathomable expanse of the universe, of the new worlds and races waiting to be found / understood, of the adversities waiting to be surmounted. I didn't hear the lyrics, I heard the beat and the voice that jangled with the images, that speaks of maverick havoc. It was so unpalatable that I cut it off midway. Tbf the music doesn't need to evoke "a sense of the unfathomable expanse of the universe". Rag'n'Bones man's song deals with the theme of having being put under immense pressure and responsibility, and the fear of failure that comes with these stresses. In Andromeda, the AI hasn't gone to plan, and an untested, young Ryder finds him/herself now under immense pressure. Humanities colonists are counting on him/ her to find them a home. Unlike Shepard, Ryder isn't a legend, he's only human.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 12, 2017 6:50:22 GMT
I'm actually surprised by how many people don't understand the impact of the lyrics of the song. In fact I'm willing to bet that's the reason why they chose that song in the first place.
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Post by malgus on Mar 12, 2017 6:59:57 GMT
I'm actually surprised by how many people don't understand the impact of the lyrics of the song. In fact I'm willing to bet that's the reason why they chose that song in the first place. Indeed, when i first heard it, I did not like the song. But the more I rewatch it, I understood why they chose this one. The lyrics of the song are so about the subject of what MEA is about, its a much better song than it looks at first to present MEA. The problem is that this music is super catchy, and right now its in my head and its not getting out. I need help...
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Post by Kappa Neko on Mar 12, 2017 8:38:44 GMT
The song does fit the scared schoolboy theme they decided to go for...
And that doesn't appeal to me at all. Whiny angsty lyrics are not epic.
I did no sign up to play a cheesy coming of age drama involving a bunch of kids who go on their first adventure out in the real world, scared shitless of the responsibility and disappointing their old man.
Stepping out of daddy's shadow who's been way too mean to them... all these terrible expectations. Oh my!
Good grief... Send grown-ups to colonize a new galaxy next time!
None of the Normandy crew were this insecure even if young. But I guess this is our modern society. "Don't blame me. I'm too overwhelmed by life."
What did these kids think they'd find in Andromeda? Cuddly teddy bears?
The entire game looks like a dull uninspired train wreck. I cannot get over how bad it all looks. Boring characters and atrocious dialogue. Boring gameplay. Boring combat. What the hell happened to Bioware??
/rant
(To those who feel offended and like defending Bioware: I don't care. This game looks like an embarrassment and insult to Mass Effect. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to voice my disgust. I wish those who are hyped a good time. I wish I could see it your way but I can't. The more I see the worse it gets. And fast.)
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Post by sosolaris on Mar 12, 2017 9:21:06 GMT
The trailer was ok I guess. I didn't mind the song, besides thinking it was maybe a bit too on the nose. I didn't feel too affected by the trailer overall though.
However, the IGN Tempest vid and the 2nd Pax vid that also came out that day made me so much more excited. Actually showing gameplay and squad interaction goes a long way. Whodathunk.
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Post by Amirit on Mar 12, 2017 9:56:46 GMT
The song does fit the scared schoolboy theme they decided to go for... And that doesn't appeal to me at all. Whiny angsty lyrics are not epic. I did no sign up to play a cheesy coming of age drama involving a bunch of kids who go on their first adventure out in the real world, scared shitless of the responsibility and disappointing their old man. Stepping out of daddy's shadow who's been way too mean to them... all these terrible expectations. Oh my! Good grief... Send grown-ups to colonize a new galaxy next time! None of the Normandy crew were this insecure even if young. But I guess this is our modern society. "Don't blame me. I'm too overwhelmed by life." What did these kids think they'd find in Andromeda? Cuddly teddy bears? The entire game looks like a dull uninspired train wreck. I cannot get over how bad it all looks. Boring characters and atrocious dialogue. Boring gameplay. Boring combat. What the hell happened to Bioware?? /rant (To those who feel offended and like defending Bioware: I don't care. This game looks like an embarrassment and insult to Mass Effect. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to voice my disgust. I wish those who are hyped a good time. I wish I could see it your way but I can't. The more I see the worse it gets. And fast.) It's funny - I agree in almost every statement you made, I can not shake that "Life is Strange" married to Citadel feeling as a main theme of the game, I do not like that song in context of the game for all the reasons you mention and any time they mention anything "scientific" I want to cry... Still, with open eyes and clear mind I can say - I am interested and going to play it (even caved in an finally preordered it after a bit of youtube spoilers). I wish it was not bound with ME but accepted it as it is and found peace in familiar environment
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 12, 2017 12:57:01 GMT
The song does fit the scared schoolboy theme they decided to go for... And that doesn't appeal to me at all. Whiny angsty lyrics are not epic. I did no sign up to play a cheesy coming of age drama involving a bunch of kids who go on their first adventure out in the real world, scared shitless of the responsibility and disappointing their old man. Stepping out of daddy's shadow who's been way too mean to them... all these terrible expectations. Oh my! Good grief... Send grown-ups to colonize a new galaxy next time! None of the Normandy crew were this insecure even if young. But I guess this is our modern society. "Don't blame me. I'm too overwhelmed by life." What did these kids think they'd find in Andromeda? Cuddly teddy bears? The entire game looks like a dull uninspired train wreck. I cannot get over how bad it all looks. Boring characters and atrocious dialogue. Boring gameplay. Boring combat. What the hell happened to Bioware?? /rant (To those who feel offended and like defending Bioware: I don't care. This game looks like an embarrassment and insult to Mass Effect. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to voice my disgust. I wish those who are hyped a good time. I wish I could see it your way but I can't. The more I see the worse it gets. And fast.) I think it's totally fair if you're being disgusted by the game and don't want to buy it. I do think though you're overreacting on said insecurities of the crew and the main character. We've seen none of that in any trailer so far (not to mention the team is composed of older people as well); also, the expectation of a more peaceful situation is something the Initiative did. The characters of the team didn't seem naive. And while Alec seemed harsh, I don't think the game will force us in the role you described. The only thing you're right about is that Ryder is not that experienced, but that doesn't mean he's insecure or scared. He didn't appear as such in any footage. And previews said you can actually shape the MC in different ways, so you won't be forced into a role. I do hope that the reviews of people you can trust can give a better perspective of the game for you. I don't see how the game is an insult to Mass effect (quite the contrary, overall), but if you feel that way, not buying it is the right choice.
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Post by luke on Mar 12, 2017 14:09:54 GMT
The song does fit the scared schoolboy theme they decided to go for... And that doesn't appeal to me at all. Whiny angsty lyrics are not epic. I did no sign up to play a cheesy coming of age drama involving a bunch of kids who go on their first adventure out in the real world, scared shitless of the responsibility and disappointing their old man. Stepping out of daddy's shadow who's been way too mean to them... all these terrible expectations. Oh my! Good grief... Send grown-ups to colonize a new galaxy next time! None of the Normandy crew were this insecure even if young. But I guess this is our modern society. "Don't blame me. I'm too overwhelmed by life." What did these kids think they'd find in Andromeda? Cuddly teddy bears? The entire game looks like a dull uninspired train wreck. I cannot get over how bad it all looks. Boring characters and atrocious dialogue. Boring gameplay. Boring combat. What the hell happened to Bioware?? /rant (To those who feel offended and like defending Bioware: I don't care. This game looks like an embarrassment and insult to Mass Effect. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to voice my disgust. I wish those who are hyped a good time. I wish I could see it your way but I can't. The more I see the worse it gets. And fast.) I think the direction the story is going is great, and I haven't seen anything "whiny" at all. Ryder is young, untested, and now has the fates of 20,000 colonists on his shoulders in a strange, new galaxy. We're going to see Ryder develop and adapt to these new challenges, and that really interests me. I hope we see him/ her fail and struggle throughout the story. To expect them to take everything in their stride with no problems in those circumstances would be bad storytelling. If that kind of story doesn't interest you then fair enough, but it's by no means "whiny" or "angsty".
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Post by Chewin on Mar 12, 2017 14:26:45 GMT
I can certainly understand the skepticism and frustration towards BW and how Andromeda will turn out to be. I'm quite in the same boat as well, though I am more hopeful towards said game. Concept-wise, I find the whole premise of Andromeda to be intriguing. Having a civilization traveling to a new galaxy, discovering new planets to inhabit for scientific and anthropological reasons, has some great potential for powerful story telling. Considering the fact that the galaxy is inhabited by other races, there will be species which will be interested in collaboration, while others will treat us with suspicion, seeing us as intruders and troublemakers, which would lead our characters being intertwined in regional politics. Even more, exploration will play a critical role, since just like the trailer states, the "golden worlds are bust", and with supplies possibly running out, this could lead to some internal and external conflicts, with individuals and groups coming to disagreements as to what is the best course of action to take, and with things becoming increasingly desperate, so would the aggressiveness of the people involved start to escalate. To me personally, the Mass Effect series is about intergalactic politicking, navigating moral dilemmas, mediating inter-species relationships, and different levels of engagement in warfare. ME1 succeeded on these aspects quite well, but just as BW themselves stated, that same sense of discovery and exploration took a back seat in favor of the developing story-line with the Reapers, which ultimately had some mixed level of success. And that is why I am skeptical about BW and what Andromeda will eventually turn out to be. The plot in their games have almost always been quite weak, not to say formulaic--with the central hook being the threat of evil lingering above the order of things, and have to be stopped by a merry band of misfits. With Andromeda having the Archon and this whole thing about the Remnants, I am afraid BW will yet again fall into this pit, and sideline stories that I would personally consider to be more interesting, not to say fresh. Either way, BW has always on my part succeeded quite well will creating strong characters that accompany on your journeys. As long as they don't of course fall to their knees, kiss my boots and continuously tell how awesome my character is, then I don't think I'll have much to worry about with Andromeda on that part. Well it is no Two Steps from Hell trailer, but that is OK, since I found the delivery of the song's message to be much more powerful with this trailer. Considering how Rag'N'Bone's song is about the human condition, and our inability to be perfect or even fix many of the problems that we as individuals face in our lives, the song really fits the trailer wherein it acts as a powerful and despairing lamentation that acknowledges both our problems and our limited ability to resolve our issues, which fits nicely into Andromeda, and what the characters will face. Very "human-centric" for sure, but either way, it gets the message across splendidly. You........I like you.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Mar 12, 2017 14:31:41 GMT
I think it's totally fair if you're being disgusted by the game and don't want to buy it. I do think though you're overreacting on said insecurities of the crew and the main character. We've seen none of that in any trailer so far (not to mention the team is composed of older people as well); also, the expectation of a more peaceful situation is something the Initiative did. The characters of the team didn't seem naive. And while Alec seemed harsh, I don't think the game will force us in the role you described. The only thing you're right about is that Ryder is not that experienced, but that doesn't mean he's insecure or scared. He didn't appear as such in any footage. And previews said you can actually shape the MC in different ways, so you won't be forced into a role. I do hope that the reviews of people you can trust can give a better perspective of the game for you. I don't see how the game is an insult to Mass effect (quite the contrary, overall), but if you feel that way, not buying it is the right choice. I will play it eventually. A coworker has offered sharing her PS4 copy once she's done. I don't have much hope that my impression of the game based on gameplay footage will differ much from playing it myself. But then at least my disappointment will be grounded in hands-on experience, not questionable marketing. If my harsh judgment was premature, I will correct it. All I can say at this point is that the game looks terrible to me personally. Didn't feel that way about DAI before release. I was very excited. If the IGN videos are supposed to show off the game in a favorable light, they're failing spectacularly. And that's not a good thing in my book. Often promotional material looks better than the actual product. Like movie trailers. Either marketing is WAY OFF or the game is much worse than my already lukewarm expectations. Of course all of that is subjective. If the game ends up celebrated by the majority, then it simply didn't do right by me (which is not a crime), and I'll move on to developers I still enjoy. I'm very surprised though that "toxic BSN" is suddenly all hyped while the rest of the internet seems to share my negative reaction to the gameplay videos. For once I agree with all the negativity, and that makes me sad. I REALLY wanted to like the game and give a new approach a chance... and I guess in a sense I'll give Bioware the benefit of the doubt and play MEA on console at no cost to me. That's the best I can do right now: Looks like shit but I'll check it out.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 12, 2017 14:57:29 GMT
I think it's totally fair if you're being disgusted by the game and don't want to buy it. I do think though you're overreacting on said insecurities of the crew and the main character. We've seen none of that in any trailer so far (not to mention the team is composed of older people as well); also, the expectation of a more peaceful situation is something the Initiative did. The characters of the team didn't seem naive. And while Alec seemed harsh, I don't think the game will force us in the role you described. The only thing you're right about is that Ryder is not that experienced, but that doesn't mean he's insecure or scared. He didn't appear as such in any footage. And previews said you can actually shape the MC in different ways, so you won't be forced into a role. I do hope that the reviews of people you can trust can give a better perspective of the game for you. I don't see how the game is an insult to Mass effect (quite the contrary, overall), but if you feel that way, not buying it is the right choice. I will play it eventually. A coworker has offered sharing her PS4 copy once she's done. I don't have much hope that my impression of the game based on gameplay footage will differ much from playing it myself. But then at least my disappointment will be grounded in hands-on experience, not questionable marketing. If my harsh judgment was premature, I will correct it. All I can say at this point is that the game looks terrible to me personally. Didn't feel that way about DAI before release. I was very excited. If the IGN videos are supposed to show off the game in a favorable light, they're failing spectacularly. And that's not a good thing in my book. Often promotional material looks better than the actual product. Like movie trailers. Either marketing is WAY OFF or the game is much worse than my already lukewarm expectations. Of course all of that is subjective. If the game ends up celebrated by the majority, then it simply didn't do right by me (which is not a crime), and I'll move on to developers I still enjoy. I'm very surprised though that "toxic BSN" is suddenly all hyped while the rest of the internet seems to share my negative reaction to the gameplay videos. For once I agree with all the negativity, and that makes me sad. I REALLY wanted to like the game and give a new approach a chance... and I guess in a sense I'll give Bioware the benefit of the doubt and play MEA on console at no cost to me. That's the best I can do right now: Looks like shit but I'll check it out. The gameplay videos have been mostly met with praise.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 12, 2017 16:19:53 GMT
I think it's totally fair if you're being disgusted by the game and don't want to buy it. I do think though you're overreacting on said insecurities of the crew and the main character. We've seen none of that in any trailer so far (not to mention the team is composed of older people as well); also, the expectation of a more peaceful situation is something the Initiative did. The characters of the team didn't seem naive. And while Alec seemed harsh, I don't think the game will force us in the role you described. The only thing you're right about is that Ryder is not that experienced, but that doesn't mean he's insecure or scared. He didn't appear as such in any footage. And previews said you can actually shape the MC in different ways, so you won't be forced into a role. I do hope that the reviews of people you can trust can give a better perspective of the game for you. I don't see how the game is an insult to Mass effect (quite the contrary, overall), but if you feel that way, not buying it is the right choice. I will play it eventually. A coworker has offered sharing her PS4 copy once she's done. I don't have much hope that my impression of the game based on gameplay footage will differ much from playing it myself. But then at least my disappointment will be grounded in hands-on experience, not questionable marketing. If my harsh judgment was premature, I will correct it. All I can say at this point is that the game looks terrible to me personally. Didn't feel that way about DAI before release. I was very excited. If the IGN videos are supposed to show off the game in a favorable light, they're failing spectacularly. And that's not a good thing in my book. Often promotional material looks better than the actual product. Like movie trailers. Either marketing is WAY OFF or the game is much worse than my already lukewarm expectations. Of course all of that is subjective. If the game ends up celebrated by the majority, then it simply didn't do right by me (which is not a crime), and I'll move on to developers I still enjoy. I'm very surprised though that "toxic BSN" is suddenly all hyped while the rest of the internet seems to share my negative reaction to the gameplay videos. For once I agree with all the negativity, and that makes me sad. I REALLY wanted to like the game and give a new approach a chance... and I guess in a sense I'll give Bioware the benefit of the doubt and play MEA on console at no cost to me. That's the best I can do right now: Looks like shit but I'll check it out. This isn't BSN, regardless of the reaction (and this site has a side of skepticism and negativity. It's not all positivity and hype). Outside of YouTube, the trailers and videos have been meet with a variety of opinions on the sites. Some videos were more liked then others, and the opinion of the game varies. Outside of a few places, it's not all negative.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 12, 2017 16:21:11 GMT
I'm ONLY HOOOMAN AFTER ALL.
Best trailer.
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