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Post by stringerbell on Mar 11, 2017 2:16:43 GMT
So the Initiative launched before Shepard cures the genophage (or didn't), meaning the Krogan that go to Andromeda are presumably still suffering from the 1 in a 1000 pregnancies being viable. Since there will only be a few thousand Krogan arriving in Andromeda, it seems to me like they are sort of screwed, what with low birthrate, small gene pool etc.
Anyone have thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 2:23:03 GMT
Supposedly there is a quest that deals with that in the game.
Presumably they'll either end up outright cured, or the rate of viable pregnancies will be increased.
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Post by Laughing_Crow on Mar 11, 2017 2:33:58 GMT
The question was asked by someone in the audience and answered by BioWare (without providing details) in the 2nd PAX livestream (4:00 pm) event.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 2:34:53 GMT
Unless we deal with that issue in the game, then yes, they are.
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Post by bigevil on Mar 11, 2017 2:42:35 GMT
They'll definitely be screwed if Bioware lets people romance them.
But yeah, if there's no way to do something about it in the game (which it seems there is, or at least it's addressed in some way) then they're probably in trouble. Then again, Krogan don't just have one kid at a time, so maybe there are enough Krogan going to make it barely manageable for them to survive.
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Post by stringerbell on Mar 11, 2017 3:33:49 GMT
Ok I figured it would be adressed in game somehow, good to hear that's the case. The other thought I just had was if the krogan brought a large number of fertile females that would alleviate the problem somewhat
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2017 3:47:27 GMT
Didn't Mordin mention that he had to modify the Genophage, because the Krogan were adapting to it?
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Post by hydroflame20 on Mar 11, 2017 4:02:25 GMT
Didn't Mordin mention that he had to modify the Genophage, because the Krogan were adapting to it? I've heard of that to lol well there you go we have it.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 11, 2017 4:07:18 GMT
The genophage in and of itself wasn't going to lead to extinction anyway. A low birth rate doesn't wipe you out; it's having more deaths than births which does that, and the genophage was designed to keep krogan fertility at something like replacement. The problem with MW krogan was the non-productive way their society reacted to the genophage.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Mar 11, 2017 5:21:10 GMT
It's been mentioned multiple times by BioWare that this question gets answered in game /thread
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Post by hipi07 on Mar 11, 2017 5:46:23 GMT
Considering Mordin makes the Genophage efficient again in ME2 I still doubt there has been enough time for the updated version to have spread to all Krogan around the galaxy.
Unless they also infected the Krogan in the Initiative with it before they left, there would be high chances that there would be Krogan aboard with the old strain which was wearing off as the Krogan were adapting and overcoming it. It would be interesting to know what happened with the Krogans physiology in regards to the Genophage during the trip to Andromeda.
I wouldn't say they are necessarily fucked. Worst case, as long as they don't exterminate each other out in Andromeda they could strive and eventually build their numbers off with the weakened strain. I feel like this will be touched at some point in Andromeda because the Krogans are a big deal in something like this.
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Post by TaliWhacker on Mar 11, 2017 5:55:56 GMT
Hopefully their women are... a lot. I want battle toads to fight!
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Post by Fredward on Mar 11, 2017 6:13:24 GMT
No doubt humanity will make something to ease their burden and wow humanity your shoulders are so broad your skin is luminescent are you doing something new with your sexy hair have my babies humanity, y'know like every other race in Andromeda.
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Post by ladiesman777 on Mar 11, 2017 6:21:15 GMT
I really dont get the genophage, isnt the galaxy big enough for everyone?
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Post by Abramsrunner on Mar 11, 2017 6:39:27 GMT
No, they aren't "screwed". They're the one doing the "screwing" though.
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Mar 11, 2017 11:51:31 GMT
I'm half-expecting to find some magic genophage cure in Andromeda that will downplay the big deal it was in the trilogy with a hand wave.
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Post by simsimillia on Mar 11, 2017 12:18:03 GMT
Mordin didn't modify the Genophage in ME2 he did that prior to ME2 before he opened his clinic on Omega.
The Genophage is supposed to keep the Krogan population in check, not eradicate them. The doom of their race is brought on to them, because of Krogan society.
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Post by boyaki on Mar 11, 2017 12:21:43 GMT
The genophage in and of itself wasn't going to lead to extinction anyway. A low birth rate doesn't wipe you out; it's having more deaths than births which does that, and the genophage was designed to keep krogan fertility at something like replacement. The problem with MW krogan was the non-productive way their society reacted to the genophage. Well the genophage does not reduce fertility rate but the pregnancy that comes to term. The Salarian logic was that if the krogan stop fighting and focus on breeding they would stay stable, however they were quite naive on the subject. -Saying "now you stop war forever, and we will keep killing your babies to ensure it" is no way to keep a population in check. Especially if they are as warmonging as the krogan. -"Keep breeding and you will survive" is no plan either. Human women need to have a bit more than 2 children that comes to adulthood to ensure that the human race survives and fact showed that a woman can have a lot more than 2 children in their life, a krogan who lives way longer could theoricaly have more. However the genophage is a immense rise in miscariage not a decrease in fertility. If human female had to have 10 miscariages before having one child (who could still die) there would be heavy psychololgical issues. Eve from mass effect 3 address that concern. So yes the genophage was not concieved to anihilate from existence the krogan. But unless the krogan used all of their female as breeding slaves it was the only possible consequence of a "sucessful genophage". And let's remember that Mordin who defended the genophage for years admit in the end that he was wrong. Now about Mass Effect Andromeda and the Krogan problem : -Mordin had to upgrade the genophage because krogan were naturaly adapting to it, meaning they could still do it in the future and that there is no way the salarian could have re-infected the krogan across the entire galaxy. -ME:A start between ME2 and ME3 so the AI could have the Maelon data or share information with Mordin's secret lab. After all it took only a few years of research (and only one with enough scientists) to find a cure to the genophage. I don't see why the AI which has a big scientist crew could not find a cure to the genophage. So now i'm going to make conclusion about what could happen in Andromeda according to the trailers so spoiler i guess. The AI is a huge project that require a lot of funding but also a lot of man power + a lot of volunteer to leave everything behind. The Krogan are perfect candidate for this : they are strong, resilient to hostile environment and could be additional muscle the AI need. Moreover we know from ME1 and ME2 that a lot of krogans does not care anymore about their homeland and civilisation and could easily be volunteer. If the AI promised some Krogan to find a cure for the genophage (which seems not improbable) they could gain additional krogan which aspire to a new start similar as Wrex and his follower, but Wrex at that time had nothing to cure the genophage. Now we know that once on Andromeda, the Krogan does not trust the Andromeda Initiative. Maybe it was always the case but I think it is because the AI cannot release all pods for the moment and focus on short term necessity to ensure their survival and for that reason delayed the cure for genophage for more urgent matter, resulting in a distrust.
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Post by derrame on Mar 11, 2017 12:55:39 GMT
maybe we can cure the genophage again, or the krogans in andromeda are not affected by this desease
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Post by azarhal on Mar 11, 2017 13:04:35 GMT
I really dont get the genophage, isnt the galaxy big enough for everyone? No the galaxy wasn't big enough. The genophage was created to stop the Krogans when they turned against the Council Races and tried to pretty much take over known space.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 11, 2017 13:08:21 GMT
If bioware had any sense they'd retcon krogan biology.
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Post by Reznore on Mar 11, 2017 13:12:02 GMT
I'm not a pro when it comes to ME lore but I've read Krogan can live a very very long time + they are tough + they have lots of offsprings...so basically a tendency for overpopulation . If true it might be better for everyone to not cure the genophage or find some better birth control that doesn't involve stillborn.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 11, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
They lay 1000 eggs every year. 1 successful birth every year is still comparable to a busy human couple.
Yeah, they're so doomed.
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Post by boyaki on Mar 11, 2017 13:26:46 GMT
They lay 1000 eggs every year. 1 successful birth every year is still comparable to a busy human couple. Yeah, they're so doomed. Except it does not affect the number of egg, but if a pregnancy comes to term. So no it is absolutly not 1 successful birth every year, but most likely a miscariage every year. They give birth to dead krogan again and again until it became too hard, that is the horror the genophage, Eve explained that. Just imagine a woman who had to go throuh 3,5,10 miscariages to have one sane child and that you have to go through it several times to have a stable population (and remember that even without war, krogan inhabit dangerous planet so 2 children/woman is not a solution to a stable population.
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Post by stringerbell on Mar 11, 2017 13:48:00 GMT
They lay 1000 eggs every year. 1 successful birth every year is still comparable to a busy human couple. Yeah, they're so doomed. Well it's not necessarily birthrate that's the problem, it's the fact that all of the offspring would be coming from the fertile females, who would be small in number (at most a few dozen out of a population in the thousands). This means in a few generations the krogan would be severly inbred, it's a pretty severe genetic bottleneck
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