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Post by danishgambit on Mar 13, 2017 4:31:41 GMT
Whatever happened to actually playing the game and learning about the characters? Too many people want to know who's gay, straight, and whatever else before they even play the game. Why? I think Bioware shouldn't say anything at all when asked about who can romance what except, "play the game and find out." I'm already really salty about hearing a major spoiler about the characters that just got tweeted out in the open and it really killed the story for me. And if it wasn't for the fact that Bioware wants to hand hold everyone and is afraid that everyone wouldn't like everything about the game this wouldn't have happened.
Why can't people just play the game and deal with it?
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Mar 13, 2017 4:38:10 GMT
The orientations of characters shouldn't be considered spoilers any more than what they look like. It's just part of what they are, not who they are - not part of their personality.
And knowing that is very helpful for planning characters and how you want to roleplay them. It's lame to make a character specifically for one romance just to find out ingame that you can't romance them as that character.
The other part that's now getting under people's skin is the hypocrisy of the "We want you to discover romances naturally" spiel, since they officially revealed 2 options for Scott after saying that.
As for actual spoilers, it's just personal preference, really. Personally I don't want huge story spoilers, but some are fine with it. Live and let live.
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Post by Wolfwhistler on Mar 13, 2017 4:40:32 GMT
Just because you don't care about their sexual preferences doesn't mean other can't. I tried to woo Samantha Taylor only to find out she was lesbian and I wasted my time. Everyone has different views of how they view spoilers and if you don't want spoilers, I'd suggest going on blackout.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 13, 2017 4:42:30 GMT
-Impatience -It's fun to plan out your character's personal story -Pregame fantasy fuel -IMPATIENCE
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 13, 2017 4:44:40 GMT
Just because you don't care about their sexual preferences doesn't mean other can't. I tried to woo Samantha Taylor only to find out she was lesbian and I wasted my time. Everyone has different views of how they view spoilers and if you don't want spoilers, I'd suggest going on blackout. I don't see the difference between getting turned down in a video game and missing a collectible or something. You can't know, see and do everything during your first playthrough and why should you expect to?
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Post by Cypher on Mar 13, 2017 4:49:59 GMT
The orientations of characters shouldn't be considered spoilers any more than what they look like. It's just part of what they are, not who they are - not part of their personality.And knowing that is very helpful for planning characters and how you want to roleplay them. It's lame to make a character specifically for one romance just to find out ingame that you can't romance them as that character. The other part that's now getting under people's skin is the hypocrisy of the "We want you to discover romances naturally" spiel, since they officially revealed 2 options for Scott after saying that. As for actual spoilers, it's just personal preference, really. Personally I don't want huge story spoilers, but some are fine with it. Live and let live. Considering the heavy roleplaying vibe that people have going into these games and their desire to be the character they're playing, having this meta knowledge is a waste. If we met in real life, I wouldn't know your orientation and you wouldn't know mine, but if one of us deemed the other attractive --assuming some nondescript gender/sexual orientation stuff because I don't look at mini-profile shit so just assume that everything matches up in regards to external preferences--and attempted to pursue, it's all part of the unplanned experience. And though I can see and understand the other side when taking in real world examples of wanting to know ahead of time in order to avoid wasting your own time, and that's fair. And at the same time, Bioware addressed that by letting things slip about Suvi, Gil, Cora, and Peebee. Just like knowing everyone's deal in real life ruins the mystique of life, knowing everything ahead of time about these characters ruins their mystique, too. If you hit on one and they decline, recover and move on to someone else. You'll eventually snag someone; just like life. If people want immersion in their games, there's nothing more immersive in this context than getting curved.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 13, 2017 4:52:47 GMT
What is this real life you people speak of? I'm here to murder some pixels and court the rest.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 13, 2017 4:53:55 GMT
The orientations of characters shouldn't be considered spoilers any more than what they look like. It's just part of what they are, not who they are - not part of their personality. And knowing that is very helpful for planning characters and how you want to roleplay them. It's lame to make a character specifically for one romance just to find out ingame that you can't romance them as that character. The other part that's now getting under people's skin is the hypocrisy of the "We want you to discover romances naturally" spiel, since they officially revealed 2 options for Scott after saying that. As for actual spoilers, it's just personal preference, really. Personally I don't want huge story spoilers, but some are fine with it. Live and let live. Sexual orientation is a preference and spoils part of the character imo. Besides, how do you reveal it without sounding weird? It's like saying, "Lucy is an engineer who works at the station. Oh and by the way, she's gay." I mean really? Who says things like that? Ok I get roleplaying but again, do you need to know everything about a game to roleplay? You try to romance a character, it works great. You try to romance a character and it doesn't work. Oh well, move on to another. I don't see the problem of failing to do something in videogames. You're not expected to know and do everything are you? I didn't know about the Scott romance thing. I don't pay any attention to that stuff anyway.
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Post by snook on Mar 13, 2017 4:55:07 GMT
What is this real life you people speak of? I'm here to murder some pixels and court the rest. I hear it's some kind of MMO released around 10,000 BCE. It's still in early access and the devs have kind of abandoned it as a pay to win mess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 4:55:22 GMT
Not everyone feels like you do because we are human and have individual minds. If you can't understand why or try to justify why you think it's pointless, it's not going to stop how the other person feels.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 13, 2017 4:58:55 GMT
What is this real life you people speak of? I'm here to murder some pixels and court the rest. I hear it's some kind of MMO released around 10,000 BCE. It's still in early access and the devs have kind of abandoned it as a pay to win mess. I heard it was only one developer, which is why the graphics are so janky.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 13, 2017 4:59:02 GMT
Not everyone feels like you do because we are human and have individual minds. If you can't understand why or try to justify why you think it's pointless, it's not going to stop how the other person feels. I never said anything was wrong with having preferences or feeling anything. I just asked why people have these preferences. I don't understand and would like to. This is the point of asking questions yes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 5:03:53 GMT
Not everyone feels like you do because we are human and have individual minds. If you can't understand why or try to justify why you think it's pointless, it's not going to stop how the other person feels. I never said anything was wrong with having an opinion or feeling anything. I just asked why people have these opinions? I don't understand and would like to. This is the point of asking questions yes? Yes but everyone will have a different opinion, so if you were seeking a straight answer, it might get muddled. If not, then carrying on lol Personally I think it's 2 things. 1. People want to know if they are being screwed out of romancing a specific sex 2. People can't control life, but a game is in your control and if your personal life is spinning out of control, having a perfect setup with no heartbreak (which can just remind you of real life) can help people cope.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 13, 2017 5:05:07 GMT
I don't know -- why do people need to know what other people's temperaments are?
I like spoilers. They don't ruin the experience for me. In fact, when I get both the game and strategy guide, I will read up on all character romance and story spoilers while the game is updating. Different strokes for different folks.
With that said, I don't really care much what the devs reveal about characters or not. They can, they can not. I agree some of the people on Twitter, YouTube, and, yes, even this Forums can be a bit grating when it comes to femRyder, gayRyder, lesbianRyder romances and exposure. It's one thing to ask for representation but all the passive-aggressive whining and ranting and bugging of devs is kind of annoying. And that coming from a gay guy who actually marched out on the streets for social issues. Is this what gay rights and feminism has been reduced to? Lobbying FOR A VIDEO GAME?
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Mar 13, 2017 5:07:52 GMT
The orientations of characters shouldn't be considered spoilers any more than what they look like. It's just part of what they are, not who they are - not part of their personality. Considering the heavy roleplaying vibe that people have going into these games and their desire to be the character they're playing, having this meta knowledge is a waste. If we met in real life, I wouldn't know your orientation and you wouldn't know mine, but if one of us deemed the other attractive --assuming some nondescript gender/sexual orientation stuff because I don't look at mini-profile shit so just assume that everything matches up in regards to external preferences--and attempted to pursue, it's all part of the unplanned experience. And though I can see and understand the other side when taking in real world examples of wanting to know ahead of time in order to avoid wasting your own time, and that's fair. And at the same time, Bioware addressed that by letting things slip about Suvi, Gil, Cora, and Peebee. Just like knowing everyone's deal in real life ruins the mystique of life, knowing everything ahead of time about these characters ruins their mystique, too. If you hit on one and they decline, recover and move on to someone else. You'll eventually snag someone; just like life. If people want immersion in their games, there's nothing more immersive in this context than getting curved. Well actually, the pool of options is significantly smaller ingame than in real life, so you have a very real chance of not eventually snagging someone. I don't have any problem with people not wanting to know, but with the game barely more than a week away, the time to go dark is now. That way, they can avoid information/spoilers and the people who want to be informed can be. Win/win. And knowing that is very helpful for planning characters and how you want to roleplay them. It's lame to make a character specifically for one romance just to find out ingame that you can't romance them as that character. Sexual orientation is a preference and spoils part of the character imo. Besides, how do you reveal it without sounding weird? It's like saying, "Lucy is an engineer who works at the station. Oh and by the way, she's gay." I mean really? Who says things like that? Ok I get roleplaying but again, do you need to know everything about a game to roleplay? You try to romance a character, it works great. You try to romance a character and it doesn't work. Oh well, move on to another. I don't see the problem of failing to do something in videogames. You're not expected to know and do everything are you? I didn't know about the Scott romance thing. I don't pay any attention to that stuff anyway. Sexual orientation is not a preference. The sooner people stop with this terminology, the better. A preference is that I prefer vanilla ice cream over chocolate, and like both. Sexual orientation is an inborn, unalterable trait. Anyway, they revealed all of the options in DA:I before release, so it's hardly impossible. They've also now revealed 2 romance options for Scott without saying a single word, so writing a list isn't the only way to do it. Hey, you asked why people wanted to know, and I gave one of the reasons. If you want to keep asking "But why ____?", we'll be here a while. The short answer to everything is that different people want to know different info before launch for many reasons.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 13, 2017 5:08:22 GMT
I don't know -- why do people need to know what other people's temperaments are? I like spoilers. They don't ruin the experience for me. In fact, when I get both the game and strategy guide, I will read up on all character romance and story spoilers while the game is updating. Different strokes for different folks. With that said, I don't really care much what the devs reveal about characters or not. They can, they can not. I agree some of the people on Twitter, YouTube, and, yes, even this Forums can be a bit grating when it comes to femRyder, gayRyder, lesbianRyder romances and exposure. It's one thing to ask for representation but all the passive-aggressive whining and ranting and bugging of devs is kind of annoying. And that coming from a gay guy who actually marched out on the streets for social issues. Is this what gay rights and feminism has been reduced to? Lobbying FOR A VIDEO GAME? Jesus Christ, this is the truest thing I've read all day, especially after that whiny ass tweet I read today about character romances. People need to chill the hell out.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 13, 2017 5:10:05 GMT
I'm not looking to judge or anything. Bioware has been adamant about not wanting to spoil the game but revealing things like this seems really spoilery to me and the other thing that I won't talk about really ruined the story for me and yet they don't deem it as a spoiler either. Maybe their idea of a spoiler is different than mine. Maybe I should just avoid any info about the game. Anyway this kind of stuff really ruins part of the game for me.
When my character gets turned down it's like, "oh snap I just got turned down hard lol." It's just a part of the story. It's still roleplaying - sometimes things happen that you don't expect. I didn't know Traynor in ME3 was gay and loled when she teased MaleShep for hitting on her. It didn't seem like a big deal to me. But ok i guess it's a big deal to other people and that's fine.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 13, 2017 5:11:33 GMT
Considering the heavy roleplaying vibe that people have going into these games and their desire to be the character they're playing, having this meta knowledge is a waste. If we met in real life, I wouldn't know your orientation and you wouldn't know mine, but if one of us deemed the other attractive --assuming some nondescript gender/sexual orientation stuff because I don't look at mini-profile shit so just assume that everything matches up in regards to external preferences--and attempted to pursue, it's all part of the unplanned experience. And though I can see and understand the other side when taking in real world examples of wanting to know ahead of time in order to avoid wasting your own time, and that's fair. And at the same time, Bioware addressed that by letting things slip about Suvi, Gil, Cora, and Peebee. Just like knowing everyone's deal in real life ruins the mystique of life, knowing everything ahead of time about these characters ruins their mystique, too. If you hit on one and they decline, recover and move on to someone else. You'll eventually snag someone; just like life. If people want immersion in their games, there's nothing more immersive in this context than getting curved. Well actually, the pool of options is significantly smaller ingame than in real life, so you have a very real chance of not eventually snagging someone. I don't have any problem with people not wanting to know, but with the game barely more than a week away, the time to go dark is now. That way, they can avoid information/spoilers and the people who want to be informed can be. Win/win. I think that answer makes more sense for the type of person who's in it for the rollercoaster experience; you want to know what kind of ride you're hopping on before you climb in sort of thing. But a lot of the questions, whines, and complaints are coming from those who appear to be more in it for the immersive roleplaying experience, where knowing those sort of things, at least to me, run counter to that kind of roleplaying to begin with.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 13, 2017 5:12:27 GMT
Because some people like to meta game and create a story they like. I remember when I got the worst ending in the TW3 needless to say I'm NEVER riding blind into an rpg ever again. While I enjoy it, having to replay the game just to get the ending I want was, ugh, so bad. Maybe I've gotten impatient in my old age (well more impatient ) but having a job that leaves you mentally and physically exhausted makes you really appreciate the time you have off. I get really pissed when I waste my time on my days off.
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Post by zaefkol on Mar 13, 2017 5:44:02 GMT
Why is wanting to know a character's sexual orientation being equated with wanting to know everything about that character?
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Post by jediguardian on Mar 13, 2017 5:54:22 GMT
Someone want to know about Character story some just want to know their sexuality. Some don't care about character but want to know about gameplay, combat, exploration,crafitng etc.
If you think know more about character will kill the story. I have to say the same about gameplay. Why many people ask too much about gameplay (and dev. answer) , right now we know so much about gameplay, what wait for us in game. I want to play game and learn about what in store for me rather than knowl everything before game launch.
For me, reveal basic gameplay and a bit of exploration, crafting etc. is enough, let me learn the rest in game. In term of romance, I am fine if they just tell me that they have all of full/light/fling in game for every gender. And have all of staright, gay,bi romance in squadmate (or tell specific gender that available). They don't have to reveal the name, It's my job to find out and that is the most excite.
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Post by Adhin on Mar 13, 2017 6:03:04 GMT
Just because you don't care about their sexual preferences doesn't mean other can't. I tried to woo Samantha Taylor only to find out she was lesbian and I wasted my time. Everyone has different views of how they view spoilers and if you don't want spoilers, I'd suggest going on blackout. You didn't 'waste your time'. You may of been disappointed, I know I was. But your not 'wasting your time' by talking to an NPC in a BioWare game. That is one of the most silly things I keep hearing about wanting to know romances ahead of time. Wasting time, c'mon, not like you ONLY talk to the ONE NPC you can romance and everyone else gets the cold shoulder. The whole idea of wasting your time on attempted romance is real world issue, not one in a game where your gonna be talking to every NPC anyway. That said I'd still like a list just cause I like to plan out characters ahead of time. Though, having a list now wont really help me know if I actually 'like' those characters to even 'want' to romance whos available. That's also why I don't care if I even get a list at this point, as much as having one would be nice.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 13, 2017 6:09:17 GMT
Imagine this forum as a fizzy, carbonated beverage. Imagine this carbonated beverage quivering with a lot of complicated feelings the closer the game comes to release and you'll get what's going on here.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 13, 2017 6:56:09 GMT
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Post by rahavan on Mar 13, 2017 8:07:17 GMT
Just because you don't care about their sexual preferences doesn't mean other can't. I tried to woo Samantha Taylor only to find out she was lesbian and I wasted my time. Everyone has different views of how they view spoilers and if you don't want spoilers, I'd suggest going on blackout. You didn't 'waste your time'. You may of been disappointed, I know I was. But your not 'wasting your time' by talking to an NPC in a BioWare game. That is one of the most silly things I keep hearing about wanting to know romances ahead of time. Wasting time, c'mon, not like you ONLY talk to the ONE NPC you can romance and everyone else gets the cold shoulder. The whole idea of wasting your time on attempted romance is real world issue, not one in a game where your gonna be talking to every NPC anyway. That said I'd still like a list just cause I like to plan out characters ahead of time. Though, having a list now wont really help me know if I actually 'like' those characters to even 'want' to romance whos available. That's also why I don't care if I even get a list at this point, as much as having one would be nice. While I agree with this some games have made decisions you made 30 hours of play time ago count against you or lock you out of content you wanted to see. Luckily Bioware hasn't done much of that to my knowledge. Bioware games in the past always allowed you to pursue multiple relationships and be forced to an ultimatum while in the TW3 if you did that and thought an ultimatum was going to happen you probably got fucked (well not literally poor Geralt xD).
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