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Post by CosmicGnosis on Mar 16, 2017 3:42:41 GMT
The doom and gloom surrounding Andromeda is starting to feel like the 2016 U.S. Election Night. Like, it couldn't be that bad, right? It's not actually going to happen, right?
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 16, 2017 3:47:50 GMT
I'm sure some people will like it
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Post by CosmicGnosis on Mar 16, 2017 3:51:19 GMT
It's just unthinkable to me that Andromeda might actually get a "C"-level average score, but some of the impressions make this seem possible.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2017 3:56:35 GMT
I don't really get all the negativity we have had as far as i know one bad review and a few criticisms here and there. Things seem pretty positive.
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Post by CosmicGnosis on Mar 16, 2017 4:07:05 GMT
I love BioWare games. They are some of my favorite games ever. I adore the ME Trilogy and Dragon Age. Until yesterday, I wasn't worried about Andromeda. But what has really rattled me today is that I'm seeing harsh criticism of the writing. This really bothers me, and I hope it's not as bad as some people want it to seem.
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Post by jymm on Mar 16, 2017 4:20:36 GMT
I don't really get all the negativity we have had as far as i know one bad review and a few criticisms here and there. Things seem pretty positive. I was a bit rattled by a panel they had on GameSpot. The editors seemed really bummed and kept sighing heavily like they really wanted to like it, but were disappointed in many aspects. They seemed confused about how things went wrong. I hope its just bad first impressions, but that was the first coverage where I actually thought "oh crap, what if its actually not very good..."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 4:26:23 GMT
I'm getting DA:I vibes from ME:A.
Not that it will be DA:I in space, but that it will probably turn out to be a decent but deeply flawed game that is going provoke very polarized reactions. Another big swing and a miss for Bioware and open world.
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Post by jastall on Mar 16, 2017 4:26:45 GMT
I love BioWare games. They are some of my favorite games ever. I adore the ME Trilogy and Dragon Age. Until yesterday, I wasn't worried about Andromeda. But what has really rattled me today is that I'm seeing harsh criticism of the writing. This really bothers me, and I hope it's not as bad as some people want it to seem. First impressions can be a bit misleading when it comes to writing. I know if I had to base my first impressions of ME2 and ME3 on the first couple of hours, I's call both horribly written. The better bits came later on (and not so better bits in ME3's case but I digress).
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Post by bigbad on Mar 16, 2017 4:29:20 GMT
I just played through the first mission and thought it was (mostly) great!
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 16, 2017 4:32:27 GMT
Despite the potential meh reviews from some outlets, I fully believe this game will be leaps and bounds better than ME3 and more fun than ME1. I just hope the overall story is better than ME2 and ME1.
I still think the ME3 reviews were so inflated due to the success of the first two games and the overall hype. It was a very overrated game not because of the ending, but because of the meh mechanics and kind of boring/dull gameplay.
ME:A is unfortunately carrying a lot of old baggage, and high expectations. Sure the animations are a little off compared to many highly praised games, and the game seems to miss the extra attention to detail/love that you usually seem from successful smaller studios, but I still think it will be a great game overall.
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Post by General Mahad on Mar 16, 2017 4:33:58 GMT
I've seen the first 2-3 hours of EA.
It was pretty underwhelming, but not that terrible. I give it 8/10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 4:45:21 GMT
Despite the potential meh reviews from some outlets, I fully believe this game will be leaps and bounds better than ME3 and more fun than ME1. I just hope the overall story is better than ME2 and ME1. I still think the ME3 reviews were so inflated due to the success of the first two games and the overall hype. It was a very overrated game not because of the ending, but because of the meh mechanics and kind of boring/dull gameplay. ME:A is unfortunately carrying a lot of old baggage, and high expectations. Sure the animations are a little off compared to many highly praised games, and the game seems to miss the extra attention to detail/love that you usually seem from successful smaller studios, but I still think it will be a great game overall. ME3 had the best gameplay out of the original trilogy games.
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Post by CosmicGnosis on Mar 16, 2017 4:52:28 GMT
I like Dragon Age II. For me, it's a quirky game that has some major issues, but also a large heart. Still, I know that Dragon Age II is often the target of many jokes and criticisms within the fanbase. I concede that it's probably the "worst" BioWare game. And I'm starting to worry that Andromeda is going to be compared to Dragon Age II.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 16, 2017 4:55:39 GMT
I like Dragon Age II. For me, it's a quirky game that has some major issues, but also a large heart. Still, I know that Dragon Age II is often the target of many jokes and criticisms within the fanbase. I concede that it's probably the "worst" BioWare game. And I'm starting to worry that Andromeda is going to be compared to Dragon Age II. If you're spending your emotional energy worrying that a game you apparently have not yet played will end up being regarded similarly to a different game from several years ago that some other people didn't like but you enjoyed...wait...why are you worrying again?
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 16, 2017 5:09:38 GMT
Despite the potential meh reviews from some outlets, I fully believe this game will be leaps and bounds better than ME3 and more fun than ME1. I just hope the overall story is better than ME2 and ME1. I still think the ME3 reviews were so inflated due to the success of the first two games and the overall hype. It was a very overrated game not because of the ending, but because of the meh mechanics and kind of boring/dull gameplay. ME:A is unfortunately carrying a lot of old baggage, and high expectations. Sure the animations are a little off compared to many highly praised games, and the game seems to miss the extra attention to detail/love that you usually seem from successful smaller studios, but I still think it will be a great game overall. ME3 had the best gameplay out of the original trilogy games. maybe in terms of shooting/powers; however, you couldn't even holster your weapon so you're stuck in this close behind your back view the entire time. Sprinting was a mess as you couldn't control the camera while running because it was the x button. Animations at the time were subpar. It felt like a gears of war clone. Everything was so streamlined. The ladders felt like a really rushed gimmick. Oh great! ladders. Other games at that time had so much better mobility options. The levels felt like well levels. No open areas. Again ME3 was very overrated in the reviews and very meh without even considering the ending. It was an 8 in my book.
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Post by CosmicGnosis on Mar 16, 2017 5:13:47 GMT
I like Dragon Age II. For me, it's a quirky game that has some major issues, but also a large heart. Still, I know that Dragon Age II is often the target of many jokes and criticisms within the fanbase. I concede that it's probably the "worst" BioWare game. And I'm starting to worry that Andromeda is going to be compared to Dragon Age II. If you're spending your emotional energy worrying that a game you apparently have not yet played will end up being regarded similarly to a different game from several years ago that some other people didn't like but you enjoyed...wait...why are you worrying again? I just don't want the narrative that "BioWare has destroyed their flagship franchises" to be strengthened. I vehemently disagree with this belief, and I don't want to suddenly find myself sympathizing with it. And this video somewhat puts my mind at ease.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2017 7:17:17 GMT
I'm getting DA:I vibes from ME:A. Not that it will be DA:I in space, but that it will probably turn out to be a decent but deeply flawed game that is going provoke very polarized reactions. Another big swing and a miss for Bioware and open world. How? How was DA I a swing and a miss for BioWare or the open world? The game, apparently sold like hot cakes, was critically acclaimed, and did well in the Game of the Year Awards and other awards at the time. It was wildly successful, no matter what people will tell you, until Witcher 3 came out anyways.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2017 7:52:13 GMT
How? How was DA I a swing and a miss for BioWare or the open world? The game, apparently sold like hot cakes, was critically acclaimed, and did well in the Game of the Year Awards and other awards at the time. It was wildly successful, no matter what people will tell you, until Witcher 3 came out anyways. Until official data is released (if ever), I'm going to take claims about DA:I being "wildly successful" with a pinch of salt. Look at how it did in terms of awards and critical reception. Even without data on how well it sold or not one can logically make the claim that it was at least successful. Successful enough anyways that EA did not close BW down and we are very likel going to get a DA 4 at some point.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 16, 2017 7:58:00 GMT
The issues ive seen with Gamespot, seem somewhat exaggarated, at least to me, but then again Gamespot is one of the more critical reviewers out there, Dishing out more 7-8s than ur usual review sites, theyre not like IGN or the former gametrailers for example. RPS review is really exaggarated, im not taking that guy seriously.
Theres this problem of comparing this to the original trilogy or Shepard, while this game should be taken with its own, independently of them. Like with the characters, people say they dont like them or find them bad, how much have you seen them? Couple of hours? Thats not enough time to really be bonding, and these are completely new characters, including a hero. I didnt like Ashley or found Garrus being kind of bland first when i first played ME1, but they grew on me with time.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2017 7:58:07 GMT
Look at how it did in terms of awards and critical reception. Even without data on how well it sold or not one can logically make the claim that it was at least successful. Successful enough anyways that EA did not close BW down and we are very likel going to get a DA 4 at some point. Meh. DA:I didn't have much actual competition when it came out, which is the main reason why it can boast those awards.
"Successful enough" and "wildly successful" are two entirely different things.
I've always found this argument a bit amusing considering how many people were worried by all those games and that they were going to creme DA I before DA I came out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 8:18:11 GMT
I'm getting DA:I vibes from ME:A. Not that it will be DA:I in space, but that it will probably turn out to be a decent but deeply flawed game that is going provoke very polarized reactions. Another big swing and a miss for Bioware and open world. How? How was DA I a swing and a miss for BioWare or the open world? The game, apparently sold like hot cakes, was critically acclaimed, and did well in the Game of the Year Awards and other awards at the time. It was wildly successful, no matter what people will tell you, until Witcher 3 came out anyways. DA:I cleaned up with awards only because it released during one of the weakest years for games in recent memory. It was a decent but deeply flawed game. While the open world was beautiful and companion character content largely on par with other games in the series, there was very little of interest within those sprawling open world maps. Nearly all the side quests were boring and forgettable outside those tied to the companions, and completing the game felt like a chore. Although the game had some legitimately great moments, it wasn't worth the hours of MMO style drudgery you had to grind through to get to those moments. TW3 was a successful marriage of a strong focus on characters and a partially open world format. DA:I was not, and if the previews are any indication, neither is ME:A.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 16, 2017 8:29:49 GMT
The issues ive seen with Gamespot, seem somewhat exaggarated, at least to me, but then again Gamespot is one of the more critical reviewers out there, Dishing out more 7-8s than ur usual review sites, theyre not like IGN or the former gametrailers for example. RPS review is really exaggarated, im not taking that guy seriously. Theres this problem of comparing this to the original trilogy or Shepard, while this game should be taken with its own, independently of them. Like with the characters, people say they dont like them or find them bad, how much have you seen them? Couple of hours? Thats not enough time to really be bonding, and these are completely new characters, including a hero. I didnt like Ashley or found Garrus being kind of bland first when i first played ME1, but they grew on me with time. How? How was DA I a swing and a miss for BioWare or the open world? The game, apparently sold like hot cakes, was critically acclaimed, and did well in the Game of the Year Awards and other awards at the time. It was wildly successful, no matter what people will tell you, until Witcher 3 came out anyways. DA:I cleaned up with awards only because it released during one of the weakest years for games in recent memory. It was a decent but deeply flawed game. While the open world was beautiful and companion character content largely on par with other games in the series, there was very little of interest within those sprawling open world maps. Nearly all the side quests were boring and forgettable outside those tied to the companions, and completing the game felt like a chore. Although the game had some legitimately great moments, it wasn't worth the hours of MMO style drudgery you had to grind through to get to those moments. TW3 was a successful marriage of a strong focus on characters and a partially open world format. DA:I was not, and if the previews are any indication, neither is ME:A. I have doubts about the compromise between the two components being good in MEA, but you're basically listening to only the more negative reviews. There are previews, at least from the embargo that ended a few weeks ago, that mentioned that they did a better job, as well as making less MMO type of quests. It might be that the game opens up in a better and deeper way after the point in the access/that they can talk about (I did see, howewer, a side quest that isn't a MMO one from the first hours of the game, and potentially another). It might be that they failed in this regards like in DAI. But the previews aren't a good indication of it, and in any case they should all be considered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 8:44:05 GMT
The issues ive seen with Gamespot, seem somewhat exaggarated, at least to me, but then again Gamespot is one of the more critical reviewers out there, Dishing out more 7-8s than ur usual review sites, theyre not like IGN or the former gametrailers for example. RPS review is really exaggarated, im not taking that guy seriously. Theres this problem of comparing this to the original trilogy or Shepard, while this game should be taken with its own, independently of them. Like with the characters, people say they dont like them or find them bad, how much have you seen them? Couple of hours? Thats not enough time to really be bonding, and these are completely new characters, including a hero. I didnt like Ashley or found Garrus being kind of bland first when i first played ME1, but they grew on me with time. DA:I cleaned up with awards only because it released during one of the weakest years for games in recent memory. It was a decent but deeply flawed game. While the open world was beautiful and companion character content largely on par with other games in the series, there was very little of interest within those sprawling open world maps. Nearly all the side quests were boring and forgettable outside those tied to the companions, and completing the game felt like a chore. Although the game had some legitimately great moments, it wasn't worth the hours of MMO style drudgery you had to grind through to get to those moments. TW3 was a successful marriage of a strong focus on characters and a partially open world format. DA:I was not, and if the previews are any indication, neither is ME:A. I have doubts about the compromise between the two components being good in MEA, but you're basically listening to only the more negative reviews. There are previews, at least from the embargo that ended a few weeks ago, that mentioned that they did a better job, as well as making less MMO type of quests. It might be that the game opens up in a better and deeper way after the point in the access/that they can talk about (I did see, howewer, a side quest that isn't a MMO one from the first hours of the game, and potentially another). It might be that they failed in this regards like in DAI. But the previews aren't a good indication of it, and in any case they should all be considered. I've been reading the positive previews as well. What has me slightly skeptical about this game isn't just some of the previews, but how familiar some of the reaction (from both fans & critics) feels to the week or two before DA2, DA:I, and ME3's released. I loved ME3 and despite the endings thought it was the best game in the original trilogy. but even I have to admit that it was a very polarizing game that many people hated. There's a Groundhog Day element to some of the early negative criticism that makes me wonder if this is going to be another game from Bioware that is very hit-and-miss with fans. I hope the game turns out to be amazing, but the very mixed reactions from the critics probably does not bode well.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 16, 2017 8:48:27 GMT
Oh, I'm not saying the game won't be polarizing. This might actually happen. My point was just about the success of the marriage between the open world and the story focus.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2017 9:14:07 GMT
If anyone cares Minius from his experience with the game gave it a 9.5/ 10.
Anyways as far as the marriage of open world with RPG stuff, I thought DA I did a good job with it. Maybe not a *great* job. Not as good a job as Witcher 3. But I am confident MEA will do this a lot better.
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