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Post by Darks1te on Mar 19, 2017 5:31:36 GMT
I remmeber mu h the same was said when ME3 came out...Wait was that you? Even then 5 years later...6? I Still play ME3 MP on the regular Yeah, but me3mp was pretty unique then was released so noone can rly expect this. While meamp is pretty similar to me3mp (but with a dozens of new cruel bugs), so u can expect something now. And this expectations is not rly shiny...
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Post by Urizen on Mar 19, 2017 9:27:48 GMT
I´ve cancelled the cancellation of my cancelled pre-order cancellation. Well I've just cancelled the cancellation of my cancelled pre-order cancellation due to you cancellating the cancelation of your pre-order cancellation. Cancelception!
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 20, 2017 10:12:11 GMT
it is not the trainwreck abortion that DAI was, not even close. This is all I wanted to hear. Thank you.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Mar 20, 2017 17:28:00 GMT
I'm going to wait until the game comes out before forming impressions. No offense but half of BSN is a bunch of damn whiny douches. I'll wait until I play it extensively or wait until someone I trust plays it and gives me an opinion.
Balance is going to happen and the learning curve also will change the player base opinion. Remember when the venom sucked, the drell vanguard was too weak, etc?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 20, 2017 20:19:12 GMT
Well, here's a thing or two I have considered about the MP, and why I will be waiting to play it, if I play it at all, since I have cancelled my Amazon order and will wait for the deep sale that will be coming sooner than anyone expected...
There are no N7 weapons this time around. This removes any extra incentive that you might have had to participate in weekend MP events, since in the beginning that was the only way to level up your N7 guns... It was awesome, we all came out, and win or lose we tried and had fun. We won most of them. But I digress.
This also means that even though I will be "falling behind" the regular MP crowd as far as manifest building goes, there won't be anything "special" I missed out on that I can't replicate by playing Gold with my friends list. In short, a good player can "catch up" to an extent, which is cool.... but means a value-minded consumer like myself is not significantly penalized for waiting for a price drop. Poor marketing/strategy again.
ME3MP has been a hit-or-miss lagfest, and if you really cannot PuG in MEAMP with any real hope of good connectivity for all involved, that greatly limits the amount of time anyone will spend playing the MP. Yes, it is fun to play with friends, but we don't all have the same time free, and if the lobby server cannot make good matches for ping and quality of connection - I just see this as something that would hinder my ability to enjoy the game a great deal. Even when MP was going strong, I still enjoyed pugging a lot and found more good matches than bad. Maybe this is still a premature concern, but looking at the DAIMP and what we have going on so far, I am skeptical.
So, will it last? Sure, it will last at least as long as DAIMP. Will it last as long as ME3MP? I highly doubt it, but it seems like the potential is there to at least keep our interest for a little while. However, with each cancelled pre-order, there is that small percentage tick towards less MP DLC, shorter support life, etc. In the end, this thing has to sell well, or none of it will last.
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Post by Clockworkspectre on Mar 20, 2017 20:43:20 GMT
Success in MP is hugely reliant on player level. Veteran players do not benefit from playing with newer players as there is a power divide. Veterans are encouraged to leave lobbies hosted by under-leveled players. This design decision is popular in MMOs with a huge variety of content and huge playerbase, but is a death spell when the playerbase is limited. See: DAI:MP. So.. ME:A MP, which is pretty much an enhanced version of ME3 MP and works in large part the same won't be successful? Considering ME3 MP is still running and populated you are likely very wrong. Once they work out the bugs and add a couple of the free DLC that it will be getting I don't see any reason for it not to be successful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 21:07:15 GMT
I guess the complainers can always go back to Candy Crush and Minecraft. Or ME3MP. Which is exactly what I'm going to do :smiles:
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Post by Kevlareater on Mar 20, 2017 22:25:49 GMT
If it lasts longer than DAIMP, that's a positive in my book. More positives over DAI: - No more having to be a perma barrier bot while everyone else had the fun of actually playing the game
- No more needing things like health on crit/kill weapons and accessories just to survive
- No more... having 2/3 doors unable to be opened because someone wasn't a warrior/rogue/mage
- No more getting scrap for rewards with the super slim hope of getting anything of value (ME3MP was like this, but at least once something was maxed out, it came off the RNG list)
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Post by Ghostknife72 on Mar 20, 2017 22:31:39 GMT
My assessment is that it feels like ME3MP when it first came out.
Lots of quirks, goofy bugs (think Banshees hung up on counters on FB White), etc.
If you were looking for something BRAND NEW, this won't be it.
If you wanted more of the same, then it will be close to what you want to see.
I think it might not have the same staying powerbdue to the aforementioned line. But time will tell.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 21, 2017 1:00:14 GMT
If it lasts longer than DAIMP, that's a positive in my book. More positives over DAI: - No more having to be a perma barrier bot while everyone else had the fun of actually playing the game
- No more needing things like health on crit/kill weapons and accessories just to survive
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Post by Parachroma on Mar 21, 2017 2:15:55 GMT
I played my first MP match tonight on Bronze (after the tutorial). I never played ME3MP, but I played DAIMP quite a bit. My goal was to go in, kill stuff, do my best to achieve the objectives, support my teammates, and win. All were accomplished, full extraction, and I had a blast! I was quite surprised that in my first public match how well the team of strangers did in terms of sticking together and helping each other. I think MP, not just based on my 1 and only match, is a better experience than the SP. The MP was the primary reason why I pre-ordered...as I had a feeling that MP would turn out alright. I feel the community will regulate itself and things will fall into place over time. While I think we can all sit here and bash the inexcusable issues with SP, I think the MP side is pretty decent. Sure, there are a few things to be ironed out, but overall, I think it will be an enjoyable experience. Get friends, get good, and have fun.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 21, 2017 4:21:53 GMT
exactly. which is why it will die because of playerbase divide. ok so now we all know you are trolling, first it will die because not like me3 now it will die because it is like me3 even though it's been pointed out ME3 is still going strong. everyone can move along and this thread should be deleted. In ME3mp I can start a new account and move to Platinum right away after putting enough points into biotics.
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Post by Astronautic on Mar 21, 2017 7:07:12 GMT
same thing in me3 and I've been playing it recently can still always get a match. doomsaying nothing more. it's not all sunshine and rainbows I completely acknowledge there sure as heck are bugs in MP, few of them I've experienced personally, but this particular issue is a non issue. this is not the same as me3mp. meamp is very much grind reliant. read this post in one year and you'll see i was right You need to make a full fledged account so that you can tell us that you told us so.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 21, 2017 8:13:57 GMT
ok so now we all know you are trolling, first it will die because not like me3 now it will die because it is like me3 even though it's been pointed out ME3 is still going strong. everyone can move along and this thread should be deleted. In ME3mp I can start a new account and move to Platinum right away after putting enough points into biotics. I hope this remains in MEA to some extent as well. Well, tbh, some T4 equipment is always helpful on platinum even for biotics. Or you could just stack warp+inc, that could work. I wonder, do we want clever use of game mechanics in MEA, and charming little bugs like warp+inc, turian passive working only during certain conditions, hipfire sticky grenades with ammo powers - it actually made all these little nooks we had figured out quite charming, in a way. Btw can you still reload cancel in MEA? For example for me it was always so intriguing whenever I returned to ME3MP I always had to look for "the bug thread" before playing, to refresh my memory how all the bugs and mods worked with eachother, and I never saw this as an annoyance, but a feature that I was proud of knowing every detail of it. There was just so much of it, and not just things not working, but many just working differently or giving you an advantage and I really liked that. Explaining all the tricks to new players that you meet never got old as well, there was always something to talk about. How funny would it be if a legacy power upgrade like shockwave evolution 4B was still bugged in MEA as form of an easter egg?
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Post by civviewarrior20 on Mar 21, 2017 8:30:27 GMT
There are no N7 weapons this time around.
I am reasonably certain there are N7 weapons in MEAMP...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 21, 2017 10:03:59 GMT
There are no N7 weapons this time around.
I am reasonably certain there are N7 weapons in MEAMP...
Yes, but they are not outside of the rarity pool. In ME3MP, N7 weapons were their own rarity group, beyond UR. Now they are just UR. Thus, no incentive. Got it?
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 21, 2017 10:07:29 GMT
I am reasonably certain there are N7 weapons in MEAMP...
Yes, but they are not outside of the rarity pool. In ME3MP, N7 weapons were their own rarity group, beyond UR. Now they are just UR. Thus, no incentive. Got it? Oh I get it, so it is basicaly the same, there's just not a guaranteed drop in challenge packs this time around. You could still get N7 weapons in ME3 just as any other in the spectre packs, they shared the same drop rate ( proof). Technically, N7 = ultra rare in ME3MP store, they all have N7 designations. So, saying that there is no N7 weapons this time around sounds a bit like spreading misinformation. There just isn't any challenges to get a free weekly N7 drop, if I'm correct. Everything else still is exactly the same.
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Post by civviewarrior20 on Mar 21, 2017 10:10:16 GMT
I am reasonably certain there are N7 weapons in MEAMP...
Yes, but they are not outside of the rarity pool. In ME3MP, N7 weapons were their own rarity group, beyond UR. Now they are just UR. Thus, no incentive. Got it? Were they available on release? I seem to remember they were mostly available after the Earth DLC landed (Typhoon and Piranha at least)
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 21, 2017 10:14:17 GMT
Yes, but they are not outside of the rarity pool. In ME3MP, N7 weapons were their own rarity group, beyond UR. Now they are just UR. Thus, no incentive. Got it? Were they available on release? I seem to remember they were mostly available after the Earth DLC landed (Typhoon and Piranha at least) I think they were added to the drop pool after the events stopped happening, I'm about 90% sure on that. So, following on my post above, at the moment it is technically exactly the same as if you would start a fresh ME3MP account, both N7 and UR share the same drop rates, N7 is just part of a name nothing else. Unless they still plan to add weekly challenges for rewards (I think there was something like that in DAI, too?), we will see. It would be really nice, it gave you a lot of reason to play a least a bit of ME3MP at the time, and that reward was really, really something special. And to be honest, they didn't even follow the naming convention with any logic whatsoever, like for example why the Typhoon an N7 weapon, but it was never in a weekly challenge pack, it was just added later as a regular UR drop.
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Post by Aricin on Mar 21, 2017 10:47:49 GMT
Well, here's a thing or two I have considered about the MP, and why I will be waiting to play it, if I play it at all, since I have cancelled my Amazon order and will wait for the deep sale that will be coming sooner than anyone expected... There are no N7 weapons this time around. This removes any extra incentive that you might have had to participate in weekend MP events, since in the beginning that was the only way to level up your N7 guns... It was awesome, we all came out, and win or lose we tried and had fun. We won most of them. But I digress. This also means that even though I will be "falling behind" the regular MP crowd as far as manifest building goes, there won't be anything "special" I missed out on that I can't replicate by playing Gold with my friends list. In short, a good player can "catch up" to an extent, which is cool.... but means a value-minded consumer like myself is not significantly penalized for waiting for a price drop. Poor marketing/strategy again. ME3MP has been a hit-or-miss lagfest, and if you really cannot PuG in MEAMP with any real hope of good connectivity for all involved, that greatly limits the amount of time anyone will spend playing the MP. Yes, it is fun to play with friends, but we don't all have the same time free, and if the lobby server cannot make good matches for ping and quality of connection - I just see this as something that would hinder my ability to enjoy the game a great deal. Even when MP was going strong, I still enjoyed pugging a lot and found more good matches than bad. Maybe this is still a premature concern, but looking at the DAIMP and what we have going on so far, I am skeptical. So, will it last? Sure, it will last at least as long as DAIMP. Will it last as long as ME3MP? I highly doubt it, but it seems like the potential is there to at least keep our interest for a little while. However, with each cancelled pre-order, there is that small percentage tick towards less MP DLC, shorter support life, etc. In the end, this thing has to sell well, or none of it will last. re N7 weapons. Some are def in. Some as in ME3 some unique to MEA I am a numpty and dont know how to show images. otherwise i could show a screen shot from the APEX HQ app showing my salarian operative equipped with the N7 Hurricane, and PAW1 - alien weapon, but also on a N7 background same as the Hurricane.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 21, 2017 10:49:17 GMT
Initially, you could only get N7 upgrades from getting Victory packs for winning the weekend challenges. They were only added to the UR pool after the final DLC and end of support.
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Post by N7Mith on Mar 21, 2017 15:43:30 GMT
DAMP failed because it had only 3 maps, gamebreakers on launch that lasted months, annoying quickchats and too few characters. MEAMP has none of those.
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Post by N7Mith on Mar 21, 2017 16:03:39 GMT
So, will it last? Sure, it will last at least as long as DAIMP. Will it last as long as ME3MP? I highly doubt it, but it seems like the potential is there to at least keep our interest for a little while. However, with each cancelled pre-order, there is that small percentage tick towards less MP DLC, shorter support life, etc. In the end, this thing has to sell well, or none of it will last. Preorders have nothing to do with mp dlc being developed. As long as people keep paying microtransactions, it's a lucrative business. And lucrative businesses don't shut down because there were fewer people at launch.
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Post by cato on Mar 21, 2017 16:07:53 GMT
Yes, but they are not outside of the rarity pool. In ME3MP, N7 weapons were their own rarity group, beyond UR. Now they are just UR. Thus, no incentive. Got it? Oh I get it, so it is basicaly the same, there's just not a guaranteed drop in challenge packs this time around. You could still get N7 weapons in ME3 just as any other in the spectre packs, they shared the same drop rate ( proof). Technically, N7 = ultra rare in ME3MP store, they all have N7 designations. So, saying that there is no N7 weapons this time around sounds a bit like spreading misinformation. There just isn't any challenges to get a free weekly N7 drop, if I'm correct. Everything else still is exactly the same. Not really. When ME3 was released the only way to get the Eagle, Valiant, Crusader and Hurricane was as a reward for participating in the weekend challenge events, they were not available in the store. The Valkyrie was added to that group of weapons some time later. After the last DLC was released Bioware made all five available to drop in packs from the store just like regular ultra-rares.
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