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Post by smilesja on Mar 17, 2017 4:57:14 GMT
The game has bugs, not surprising. But people already saying it's the worst game of 2017. Of course its far too early for that and we need to see what post launch support looks like. That said, bugs/= shoddily done animation, its also the larger principle that worries me. If they couldn't be bothered to ensure the characters' eyes don't go chameleon on us it doesn't bode well for more subtle aspects of the game. There were some animations that I liked. But to be honest, a lot of it feels spiteful to me.
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 17, 2017 5:00:12 GMT
The game has bugs, not surprising. But people already saying it's the worst game of 2017. Of course its far too early for that and we need to see what post launch support looks like. That said, bugs/= shoddily done animation, its also the larger principle that worries me. If they couldn't be bothered to ensure the characters' eyes don't go chameleon on us it doesn't bode well for more subtle aspects of the game. I think this kinda hits home to what is underlying in the animation furor. "If you can't make people's eyes and faces work, what is the rest of the craftsmanship in the game like?" sentiment. Like, good animations should be pretty basic standard in a AAA title. If the game can't get that right, what about the rest of the game? And after my access trail, that's a legit concern for me.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 5:01:32 GMT
Of course its far too early for that and we need to see what post launch support looks like. That said, bugs/= shoddily done animation, its also the larger principle that worries me. If they couldn't be bothered to ensure the characters' eyes don't go chameleon on us it doesn't bode well for more subtle aspects of the game. There were some animations that I liked. But to be honest, a lot of it feels spiteful to me. Perhaps that's true. But as I said, I'm mostly worried for other aspects of the game. One thing that came to me immediately was mission structure, lighting, and cinematography (mostly for the cut scene conversations, but BioWare hasn't been able to measure up to ME2 in this regard)
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Post by Vikingblitz92 on Mar 17, 2017 5:03:23 GMT
Of course its far too early for that and we need to see what post launch support looks like. That said, bugs/= shoddily done animation, its also the larger principle that worries me. If they couldn't be bothered to ensure the characters' eyes don't go chameleon on us it doesn't bode well for more subtle aspects of the game. I think this kinda hits home to what is underlying in the animation furor. "If you can't make people's eyes and faces work, what is the rest of the craftsmanship in the game like?" sentiment. Like, good animations should be pretty basic standard in a AAA title. If the game can't get that right, what about the rest of the game? And after my access trail, that's a legit concern for me. Does anyone know if they used facial motion capture or if its all hand animated? That makes a huge difference in quality
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 17, 2017 5:05:51 GMT
As excited as I am to play this game, I am also equally, anxiously awaiting for the next interview with the Devs and the producers just to see them ask "what the fuck happened with the animations!?"
Surely they can't look at it and say, this looks great!
I'm going to blame EA for most likely not allowing them to delay the game again for extra polish on the animations
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 17, 2017 5:07:00 GMT
I think this kinda hits home to what is underlying in the animation furor. "If you can't make people's eyes and faces work, what is the rest of the craftsmanship in the game like?" sentiment. Like, good animations should be pretty basic standard in a AAA title. If the game can't get that right, what about the rest of the game? And after my access trail, that's a legit concern for me. Does anyone know if they used facial motion capture or if its all hand animated? That makes a huge difference in quality MEA has facial motion capture, in contrast the Witcher 3 which has objectively superior facial animations is hand animated.
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 17, 2017 5:08:24 GMT
I think this kinda hits home to what is underlying in the animation furor. "If you can't make people's eyes and faces work, what is the rest of the craftsmanship in the game like?" sentiment. Like, good animations should be pretty basic standard in a AAA title. If the game can't get that right, what about the rest of the game? And after my access trail, that's a legit concern for me. Does anyone know if they used facial motion capture or if its all hand animated? That makes a huge difference in quality The fact that so much is... weird would lead me to believe some kind of scripted program and hand animation for a lot of NPCs.
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 17, 2017 5:11:04 GMT
As excited as I am to play this game, I am also equally, anxiously awaiting for the next interview with the Devs and the producers just to see them ask "what the fuck happened with the animations!?" Surely they can't look at it and say, this looks great! I'm going to blame EA for most likely not allowing them to delay the game again for extra polish on the animations Also "How did you guys manage to make a PC copy that was optimized worse than DAI?" I'm basically running their exact recommended rig (a pinch nicer actually), and I'm having to constantly reboot. Want to adjust graphical settings? Reboot the game. Did your sound just de-sync? Reboot the game. Did an enemy get stuck in the floor, spinning in a circle and become impervious to damage and now you can't finish the level because until the enemy is dead the next trigger won't happen? Reboot the game.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 17, 2017 5:12:17 GMT
Does anyone know if they used facial motion capture or if its all hand animated? That makes a huge difference in quality MEA has facial motion capture, in contrast the Witcher 3 which has objectively superior facial animations is hand animated. I thought it was the opposite, the mocap was for body movements and facial animations were key frame animation?
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Post by phazonmario on Mar 17, 2017 5:13:15 GMT
naw doge i disagree i do not believe people are being over critical i believe bioware has set them selves up for this by not testing the game more and working with people outside the office that wont just turn their eyes away from blatantly glaring issues that are being discussed here. Bioware used to make amazing games with way better animations and story with just the right amount of filler quests to make things come full circle, i feel now a days the ball has been dropped and shattered into 1 million pieces of unforgivable BullS*** and then expect us to pay 60-100$ for a game that i feel was no tested commercially or other wise (like idk let people secretly play the Alpha lock those who play the alpha with a press agreement and do in depth testing and feedback...which by the way i feel as tho most bioware games they make now a days do not do any kind of field testing like that and are kept all in house as it was....and i feel like that all started back with DA 2 and ME3's ending)I honestly feel like that they just stuck a team together who all just graduated with a college degree and had no clue of what they were doing gave it to the person who owned the Mass effect licenses and said here make anther mass effect game good luck....
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 17, 2017 5:14:50 GMT
If anyone wants to see some overreacting, go check out IGN and look for this dumbass by the name of DarthMickey make Dutch and Wavebend look tame
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Post by Vikingblitz92 on Mar 17, 2017 5:15:15 GMT
MEA has facial motion capture, in contrast the Witcher 3 which has objectively superior facial animations is hand animated. I thought it was the opposite, the mocap was for body movements and facial animations were key frame animation? LA Noire started using mocap for facial movments back in the day and games like uncharted and the last of us have used it as well to great effect
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 5:15:49 GMT
EA gave them five years and the keys to the new car, Frostbite 3.
This failure is squarely on BioWare's shoulders. EA cannot and should not be expected to give ME a blank check.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 5:42:30 GMT
If anyone wants to see some overreacting, go check out IGN and look for this dumbass by the name of DarthMickey make Dutch and Wavebend look tame Impossibru. Such a being would need to be made of pure energy.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 17, 2017 5:47:07 GMT
EA gave them five years and the keys to the new car, Frostbite 3. This failure is squarely on BioWare's shoulders. EA cannot and should not be expected to give ME a blank check. How can the game be a failure if it's not out yet?
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 5:48:06 GMT
EA gave them five years and the keys to the new car, Frostbite 3. This failure is squarely on BioWare's shoulders. EA cannot and should not be expected to give ME a blank check. How can the game be a failure if it's not out yet? I mean failure in regards to animation and such, not sales.
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Post by lunaxo on Mar 17, 2017 6:08:48 GMT
The way I see it is this. We make our complaints of the game heard, so that for future games whether it be ME or DA, they'll know exactly what we didn't like.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 17, 2017 6:09:45 GMT
How can the game be a failure if it's not out yet? I mean failure in regards to animation and such, not sales. I'm glad you clarified, and yeah, animations across the board need work. I just wonder who is vetting that stuff like who saw it and said yep this is good! Or is this truly the best bioware can do in five years because if that's the case they need to out source or hire (and subsequently fire) some new people. I get time constraints but that just means you have to make the rest of the game make up for it (which in my opinion it does).
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Post by SilJeff on Mar 17, 2017 6:20:25 GMT
If anyone wants to see some overreacting, go check out IGN and look for this dumbass by the name of DarthMickey make Dutch and Wavebend look tame Oh god, that guy is insane. In every Star Wars or Bioware article on IGN, he is there writing essay after essay whining about the most miniscule of things and if you so much as say something positive about either company/product, he will threaten to report you to the police for astroturfing or whatever the heck that is. His obsession with Bioware is near unhealthy, as if he is a disgruntled employee of Bioware
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 17, 2017 6:28:23 GMT
ARE PEOPLE BEING OVERLY FORGIVING I can do all caps titles too That's not a title. That's a comment.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 17, 2017 6:37:38 GMT
If anyone wants to see some overreacting, go check out IGN and look for this dumbass by the name of DarthMickey make Dutch and Wavebend look tame Oh god, that guy is insane. In every Star Wars or Bioware article on IGN, he is there writing essay after essay whining about the most miniscule of things and if you so much as say something positive about either company/product, he will threaten to report you to the police for astroturfing or whatever the heck that is. His obsession with Bioware is near unhealthy, as if he is a disgruntled employee of Bioware Reading the IGN comments section of any article will likely give you brain cancer, it is best for your own health never to venture in there.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 17, 2017 6:47:42 GMT
Oh god, that guy is insane. In every Star Wars or Bioware article on IGN, he is there writing essay after essay whining about the most miniscule of things and if you so much as say something positive about either company/product, he will threaten to report you to the police for astroturfing or whatever the heck that is. His obsession with Bioware is near unhealthy, as if he is a disgruntled employee of Bioware Reading the IGN comments section of any article will likely cause you brain cancer, it is best for your own health never to venture in there. It amazes me that people still go to IGN for reviews. Like what is this the early 2000s? haven't people heard of twitch or youtubers? Thank god for twitch allows you to see the game unedited and form your own opinions, just maybe close chat on the larger channels.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Mar 17, 2017 6:55:41 GMT
NO.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 17, 2017 7:03:31 GMT
PERCHANCE.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 17, 2017 7:04:03 GMT
It really doesn't matter, all that matters is if you like the game. I love it for instance after playing early access and I'm excited for more.
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