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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 17:56:32 GMT
1. We know of the location of the golden worlds and their viability for life because of the stolen data from THREE repurposed mass relays that were turned into a massive magnicscope to peer into another galaxy. The premise that the geth are that technologically advanced to reengineer 3 mass relays into one "geth array" and haul those three individual relays to one building point despite not having the ability to travel through relays since they'd deactivate them first is preposterous since they'd need to haul those relays across the galaxy with regular ftl drives which would take hundreds of years. The geth became sentient 300 years ago....
2. Alec's death. Super contrived and nothing else, it was just a bad and poorly done way to die (assuming he won't come back since we don't have a funeral scene or see his body, it would be even more contrived if the Kett have his body and turn him into something...). What happened to Cora and Liam, where were they in that scene?
3. Genophage and genetic engineering while in stasis, while in stasis.....
4. The reason for going to andromeda is still not convincing, one can argue that it's comparable to going to mars today while leaving our ocean floors not yet explored. But that's essentially apples and oranges because we can find loads of habitable garden worlds, resources and intelligent life within our galaxy since it's less than 1% explored.
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 18, 2017 17:59:22 GMT
You have issues and somehow think your opinion is a fact. Perhaps you should find a therapist. Or some hard drugs.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:00:32 GMT
You have issues and somehow think your opinion is a fact. Perhaps you should find a therapist. Or some hard drugs. Explain. You're not making sense at all. Can you debunk my points?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2017 18:01:49 GMT
1. We know of the location of the golden worlds and their viability for life because of the stolen data from THREE repurposed mass relays that were turned into a massive magnicscope to peer into another galaxy. The premise that the geth are that technologically advanced to reengineer 3 mass relays into one "geth array" and haul those three individual relays to one building point despite not having the ability to travel through relays since they'd deactivate them first is preposterous since they'd need to haul those relays across the galaxy with regular ftl drives which would take hundreds of years. The geth became sentient 300 years ago.... More likely the Geth used the three Mass Relays as smaller telescopes and connected them not physically but in other ways to see that far. We do the exact same thing here on Earth with radio telescopes. Instead of building one massive dish, we build several smaller dishes and use them to create a better image than even the one big dish would get.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:02:08 GMT
5. How Scott takes his fathers death, It doesnt matter if they didn't know each other that well. He just shrugged it off....
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:03:02 GMT
1. We know of the location of the golden worlds and their viability for life because of the stolen data from THREE repurposed mass relays that were turned into a massive magnicscope to peer into another galaxy. The premise that the geth are that technologically advanced to reengineer 3 mass relays into one "geth array" and haul those three individual relays to one building point despite not having the ability to travel through relays since they'd deactivate them first is preposterous since they'd need to haul those relays across the galaxy with regular ftl drives which would take hundreds of years. The geth became sentient 300 years ago.... More likely the Geth used the three Mass Relays as smaller telescopes and connected them not physically but in other ways to see that far. We do the exact same thing here on Earth with radio telescopes. Instead of building one massive dish, we build several smaller dishes and use them to create a better image than even the one big dish would get. The text on the website doesn't mention that so it's guess work on your part. Although it's also guess work in my part for assuming they'd physically connect them. However, it's still a bad sign of writing if your not clarifying an important premise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2017 18:04:36 GMT
More likely the Geth used the three Mass Relays as smaller telescopes and connected them not physically but in other ways to see that far. We do the exact same thing here on Earth with radio telescopes. Instead of building one massive dish, we build several smaller dishes and use them to create a better image than even the one big dish would get. The text on the website doesn't mention that. Doesn't matter. The text of the website works for what I just described.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 18, 2017 18:06:59 GMT
Dutch. :srs:
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:07:55 GMT
The text on the website doesn't mention that. Doesn't matter. The text of the website works for what I just described. It's still bad writing if we have to head canon it, don't you agree? I admit that it's also guess work on my part assuming that they'd need to physically connect them but that possibility still means they didn't do well on writing it. They shouldn't leave things to speculation especially the premise for getting the information about habitable golden worlds and their locations.
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 18, 2017 18:08:58 GMT
You have issues and somehow think your opinion is a fact. Perhaps you should find a therapist. Or some hard drugs. Explain. You're not making sense at all. Can you debunk my points? You don't have points. You have opinions. I get it. All you can do is whine hysterically about BioWARE. You're upset at BioWARE for...something. Not being The Witcher 3, I guess. Point 2 is complete opinion, Point 3 assumes things not in evidence (Your opinion that gene therapy doesn't work while in stasis is based on no evidence) Point 4 is cancelled out by the premise of the game (They're leaving the Milky Way because it is believed the Reapers will cleanse all space-faring life in the Milky Way. Finding another habitable planet there would be pointless.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:11:00 GMT
6. Really efficient and productive people on the initiative. I find it jarring that the setup colony on Eos is well built despite the lack of resources and man power. (The nexus had about 20 K individuals, a lot of them either died to the scourge or became exiles).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2017 18:15:16 GMT
Doesn't matter. The text of the website works for what I just described. It's still bad writing if we have to head canon it, don't you agree? I admit that it's also guess work on my part assuming that they'd need to physically connect them but that possibility still means they didn't do well on writing it. They shouldn't leave things to speculation especially the premise for getting the information about habitable golden worlds and their locations. No, I don't agree. Using what is possible in the real world as an explanation is not bad writing or using headcanon.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:15:55 GMT
Explain. You're not making sense at all. Can you debunk my points? You don't have points. You have opinions. I get it. All you can do is whine hysterically about BioWARE. You're upset at BioWARE for...something. Not being The Witcher 3, I guess. Point 2 is complete opinion, Point 3 assumes things not in evidence (Your opinion that gene therapy doesn't work while in stasis is based on no evidence) Point 4 is cancelled out by the premise of the game (They're leaving the Milky Way because it is believed the Reapers will cleanse all space-faring life in the Milky Way. Finding another habitable planet there would be pointless. I think you're hysterical. Firstly, point 3 is based on evidence from the dialogue of kesh herself. It's Bioware's fault for not proving why gene therapy while in stasis works instead we are left to assume that "it just works" which is bad writing. So yes it's bad writing. On point 4, we're not leaving the galaxy because of the reapers and if we were why don't we just travel to an uncharted part of the Milky Way with no mass relays? Once again bad writing. Seems like you're just a drone. The Witcher 3 comments you had were uncalled for and rude. We're not talking about it... Edit: point 2 is contrived, nothing particularly original about it. It's bad writing.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:18:20 GMT
It's still bad writing if we have to head canon it, don't you agree? I admit that it's also guess work on my part assuming that they'd need to physically connect them but that possibility still means they didn't do well on writing it. They shouldn't leave things to speculation especially the premise for getting the information about habitable golden worlds and their locations. No, I don't agree. Using what is possible in the real world as an explanation is not bad writing or using headcanon. You're assuming that the geth have tech to achieve that. Mass relays are a different animal altogether and can't be compared to what we have on earth which in comparison is primitive. Bioware not clarifying point 1 means that it is in fact bad writing.
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Post by nickles on Mar 18, 2017 18:22:16 GMT
I figure there are a lot of things that are not explored enough because of our only experience being the Trial (I get this feeling that Alec's death is a red herring) and the geth are going to come into the bigger picture later. But perhaps I'm just being hopeful here. The only writing that really irked me was the supposed Krogan gene therapy in cryostasis, because that's just Bioshock Infinite levels of not understanding a scientific premise your story is supposed to be heavily reliant on.
No worse than Vega claiming that a Cerberus spy was working with the Collectors in his doomed mission, though.
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 18, 2017 18:23:11 GMT
You don't have points. You have opinions. I get it. All you can do is whine hysterically about BioWARE. You're upset at BioWARE for...something. Not being The Witcher 3, I guess. Point 2 is complete opinion, Point 3 assumes things not in evidence (Your opinion that gene therapy doesn't work while in stasis is based on no evidence) Point 4 is cancelled out by the premise of the game (They're leaving the Milky Way because it is believed the Reapers will cleanse all space-faring life in the Milky Way. Finding another habitable planet there would be pointless. I think you're hysterical. Firstly, point 2 is based on evidence from the dialogue of kesh herself. It's Bioware's fault for not proving why gene therapy while in stasis works instead we are left to assume that "it just works" which is bad writing. So yes it's bad writing. On point 4, we're not leaving the galaxy because of the reapers and if we were why don't we just travel to an uncharted part of the Milky Way with no mass relays? Once again bad writing. Seems like you're just a drone. The Witcher 3 comments you had were uncalled for and rude. We're not talking about it... Again, you're insane, blaming BioWARE for not being The Witcher. I don't even know why you come on these boards if not to troll. Kesh's statement on gene therapy does not presuppose the fact that it doesn't work while in stasis. BioWARE is not responsible for your flawed assumption. As for point 4, again, use your head for something other than raging. What makes you think they'll find them. This geth relay was pointed towards Andromeda, not the Milky Way. What makes you think they'd know where the planets were? If you want to think rationally, we can. But until you realize that your opinion is not a fact, no one will get anywhere. Continue to be a joke.
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Post by riou on Mar 18, 2017 18:27:21 GMT
1. We know of the location of the golden worlds and their viability for life because of the stolen data from THREE repurposed mass relays that were turned into a massive magnicscope to peer into another galaxy. The premise that the geth are that technologically advanced to reengineer 3 mass relays into one "geth array" and haul those three individual relays to one building point despite not having the ability to travel through relays since they'd deactivate them first is preposterous since they'd need to haul those relays across the galaxy with regular ftl drives which would take hundreds of years. The geth became sentient 300 years ago.... 3. Genophage and genetic engineering while in stasis, while in stasis..... 4. The reason for going to andromeda is still not convincing, one can argue that it's comparable to going to mars today while leaving our ocean floors not yet explored. But that's essentially apples and oranges because we can find loads of habitable garden worlds, resources and intelligent life within our galaxy since it's less than 1% explored. For starters, you need to put spoilers in the thread title. Also, I deleted the one about Alec's death since that's simply subjective. Alec might have already been a corpse by the time they got to him to save you. 1) You really think the Geth being able to jury-rig three relays together is that ridiculous? You do realize this is the same geth who almost finished building a complete Dyson Sphere around Rannoch's sun for themselves before ME3, right? Do you have any idea how incredible that is? 3) This is easy to explain. Everyone is under the assumption that stasis (sometimes referred to as "suspended animation") means all the processes of the body come to a complete halt. That's just grossly untrue and impossible. If you stop all processes of the body, you die. End of story. Clearly they underwent the gene therapy BEFORE being put into stasis, where their bodies were allowed to adapt to the procedure over the course of 600+ years. Since krogan already likely have a much faster metabolism slowing them down likely still makes their baby process changes faster than other species proportionately. It is also not a complete cure for the genophage. It's just expanding upon ME2 lore. 4) Not apples and oranges at all. The fact we're already planning to put people on Mars despite having barely explored the ocean is the perfect comparison. Plus in Mass Effect, the Council sort of controls where you can go since you can't just open new relays willy-nilly or risk another Rachni debacle. Look what happened with the Yahg for a second example of that problem. Exploration and new beginnings isn't even remotely far-fetched as a reason.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:27:50 GMT
I think you're hysterical. Firstly, point 2 is based on evidence from the dialogue of kesh herself. It's Bioware's fault for not proving why gene therapy while in stasis works instead we are left to assume that "it just works" which is bad writing. So yes it's bad writing. On point 4, we're not leaving the galaxy because of the reapers and if we were why don't we just travel to an uncharted part of the Milky Way with no mass relays? Once again bad writing. Seems like you're just a drone. The Witcher 3 comments you had were uncalled for and rude. We're not talking about it... Again, you're insane, blaming BioWARE for not being The Witcher. I don't even know why you come on these boards if not to troll. Kesh's statement on gene therapy does not presuppose the fact that it doesn't work while in stasis. BioWARE is not responsible for your flawed assumption. As for point 4, again, use your head for something other than raging. What makes you think they'll find them. This geth relay was pointed towards Andromeda, not the Milky Way. What makes you think they'd know where the planets were? If you want to think rationally, we can. But until you realize that your opinion is not a fact, no one will get anywhere. Continue to be a joke. >calls me insane >screechs at me autistically It's Bioware job to clarify something preposterous as gene therapy while in stasis instead of saying we just did it despite making no sense at all. On the geth stuff, I don't get what you're trying to prove? Maybe make a point?
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 18, 2017 18:31:47 GMT
Again, you're insane, blaming BioWARE for not being The Witcher. I don't even know why you come on these boards if not to troll. Kesh's statement on gene therapy does not presuppose the fact that it doesn't work while in stasis. BioWARE is not responsible for your flawed assumption. As for point 4, again, use your head for something other than raging. What makes you think they'll find them. This geth relay was pointed towards Andromeda, not the Milky Way. What makes you think they'd know where the planets were? If you want to think rationally, we can. But until you realize that your opinion is not a fact, no one will get anywhere. Continue to be a joke. >calls me insane >screechs at me autistically It's Bioware job to clarify something preposterous as gene therapy while in stasis instead of saying we just did it despite making no sense at all. On the geth stuff, I don't get what you're trying to prove? Maybe make a point? I don't need to make a point. I'm only pointing out that your idea is completely absurd given that the whole point of the game was "MW colonists went to Andromeda in order to escape the galaxy-cleansing things called the Reapers." The goal of the Initiative, spelled out clearly, is not to find new habitable worlds. It was to find new habitable worlds that weren't in the Milky Way because the Reapers were cleansing it. Raging all of the time will just give you a tumor.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:32:09 GMT
1. We know of the location of the golden worlds and their viability for life because of the stolen data from THREE repurposed mass relays that were turned into a massive magnicscope to peer into another galaxy. The premise that the geth are that technologically advanced to reengineer 3 mass relays into one "geth array" and haul those three individual relays to one building point despite not having the ability to travel through relays since they'd deactivate them first is preposterous since they'd need to haul those relays across the galaxy with regular ftl drives which would take hundreds of years. The geth became sentient 300 years ago.... 3. Genophage and genetic engineering while in stasis, while in stasis..... 4. The reason for going to andromeda is still not convincing, one can argue that it's comparable to going to mars today while leaving our ocean floors not yet explored. But that's essentially apples and oranges because we can find loads of habitable garden worlds, resources and intelligent life within our galaxy since it's less than 1% explored. For starters, you need to put spoilers in the thread title. Also, I deleted the one about Alec's death since that's simply subjective. Alec might have already been a corpse by the time they got to him to save you. 1) You really think the Geth being able to jury-rig three relays together is that ridiculous? You do realize this is the same geth who almost finished building a complete Dyson Sphere around Rannoch's sun for themselves before ME3, right? Do you have any idea how incredible that is? 3) This is easy to explain. Everyone is under the assumption that stasis (sometimes referred to as "suspended animation") means all the processes of the body come to a complete halt. That's just grossly untrue and impossible. If you stop all processes of the body, you die. End of story. Clearly they underwent the gene therapy BEFORE being put into stasis, where their bodies were allowed to adapt to the procedure over the course of 600+ years. Since krogan already likely have a much faster metabolism slowing them down likely still makes their baby process changes faster than other species proportionately. It is also not a complete cure for the genophage. It's just expanding upon ME2 lore. 4) Not apples and oranges at all. The fact we're already planning to put people on Mars despite having barely explored the ocean is the perfect comparison. Plus in Mass Effect, the Council sort of controls where you can go since you can't just open new relays willy-nilly or risk another Rachni debacle. Look what happened with the Yahg for a second example of that problem. Exploration and new beginnings isn't even remotely far-fetched as a reason. On point 3: kesh specifically says the gene therapy was done during the travel to andromeda. Everything else is opinion frankly.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 18:33:35 GMT
>calls me insane >screechs at me autistically It's Bioware job to clarify something preposterous as gene therapy while in stasis instead of saying we just did it despite making no sense at all. On the geth stuff, I don't get what you're trying to prove? Maybe make a point? I don't need to make a point. I'm only pointing out that your idea is completely absurd given that the whole point of the game was "MW colonists went to Andromeda in order to escape the galaxy-cleansing things called the Reapers." The goal of the Initiative, spelled out clearly, is not to find new habitable worlds. It was to find new habitable worlds that weren't in the Milky Way because the Reapers were cleansing it. Raging all of the time will just give you a tumor. Ummm, no where in the game does it state that. You're assuming we're leaving because of the reapers. I'm not raging, you are - clearly....
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Post by kaind on Mar 18, 2017 21:49:08 GMT
The goal of the Initiative, spelled out clearly, is not to find new habitable worlds. It was to find new habitable worlds that weren't in the Milky Way because the Reapers were cleansing it. When was this spelled out? Cuz it's not spelled out like that in the first 10 hours of the game.
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All I have to say about this games writting is..
No one is a pathfinder until they have pathfound! Omni tools are tools! My face is tired..
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Post by Dragon slayer on Mar 18, 2017 23:04:01 GMT
The goal of the Initiative, spelled out clearly, is not to find new habitable worlds. It was to find new habitable worlds that weren't in the Milky Way because the Reapers were cleansing it. When was this spelled out? Cuz it's not spelled out like that in the first 10 hours of the game. it was found in the audiofiles though determining
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