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Post by degs29 on Mar 19, 2017 15:48:46 GMT
Seriously? Who gives a fuck! Get a bloody life. Normally I'm the one saying that, but in this case it was pretty obvious racism and hatred. That said, I'm not one to say fire a guy over what he does or says in his personal time. Let his work stand for itself.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 19, 2017 15:56:15 GMT
That's all valid, and I'd agree with it. But the thing is, you do have to ask yourself what would have happened if an employee was to tweet out the exact tweets he did, only replacing every "white" with practically any other group, and especially something like: "blacks", "gays", "Muslims", etc.
Something tells me that the shitstorm would have been apocalyptic, and that Bioware wouldn't have been as forgiving. Racism should be treated with the same disdain, no matter which group it is directed at.
You're spot on. I'm not even white and found this just appalling. It's sad that society has such a double standard, and the notion that darker skinned people can't be racist is idiotic. No doubt if he was speaking about another group besides white people the community and BW in general would be up in arms. But because he was talking about the "white man" everything is okay and what he said doesn't matter But here's a thing, you're completely taking it out the context. White people in the Western Industrial World have never suffered oppression due to them being white. Meanwhile with black people in the US, there are still people who are in their 60's to have lived through Jim Crow laws. Meanwhile those racists in power didn't disappeared and they're still trying to bring back the same laws with next generation. So when someone is racist against white people, overwhelming majority of white people will just not give a damn and probably laugh it off. But black people lived through or live with family members who suffered through systemic racism against black people and are still suffering the consequences of the oppression to this day. It's not a laughing matter of them, hence why it's take far more seriously. Also generally only white supremacists and neo-nazis raise a noise about how white people are oppressed( some celebrities talking shit against whites ain't oppression), so people do some serious distancing when racism against whites topic is brought up. You can't take out historical context, especially when most people who lived through are still alive.
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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 19, 2017 16:05:15 GMT
There must have been some interesting meetings to have been a fly on the wall in.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 19, 2017 16:05:58 GMT
You're spot on. I'm not even white and found this just appalling. It's sad that society has such a double standard, and the notion that darker skinned people can't be racist is idiotic. No doubt if he was speaking about another group besides white people the community and BW in general would be up in arms. But because he was talking about the "white man" everything is okay and what he said doesn't matter But here's a thing, you're completely taking out the context. White people in the Western Industrial World have never suffered oppression due to them being white. Meanwhile with black people in the US, there are still people who are in their 60's to have lived through Jim Crow laws. Meanwhile those racists in power didn't disappeared and they're still trying to bring back the same laws with next generation. So when someone is racist against white people, overwhelming majority of white people will just not give a damn and probably laugh it off. But black people lived through or live with family members who suffered through systemic racism against black people and are still suffering the consequences of the oppression to this day. It's not a laughing matter of them, hence why it's take far more seriously. Also generally only white supremacists and neo-nazis raise a noise about how white people are oppressed( some celebrities talking shit against whites ain't oppression), so people do some serious distancing when racism against whites topic is brought up. You can't take out historical context, especially when most people who lived through are still alive. This. Thank you.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 19, 2017 16:08:25 GMT
You're spot on. I'm not even white and found this just appalling. It's sad that society has such a double standard, and the notion that darker skinned people can't be racist is idiotic. No doubt if he was speaking about another group besides white people the community and BW in general would be up in arms. But because he was talking about the "white man" everything is okay and what he said doesn't matter But here's a thing, you're completely taking out the context. White people in the Western Industrial World have never suffered oppression due to them being white. Meanwhile with black people in the US, there are still people who are in their 60's to have lived through Jim Crow laws. Meanwhile those racists in power didn't disappeared and they're still trying to bring back the same laws with next generation. So when someone is racist against white people, overwhelming majority of white people will just not give a damn and probably laugh it off. But black people lived through or live with family members who suffered through systemic racism against black people and are still suffering the consequences of the oppression to this day. It's not a laughing matter of them, hence why it's take far more seriously. Also generally only white supremacists and neo-nazis raise a noise about how white people are oppressed( some celebrities talking shit against whites ain't oppression), so people do some serious distancing when racism against whites topic is brought up. You can't take out historical context, especially when most people who lived through are still alive. The 'western world' isnt the entire planet. People who are non white live in societies where they are the majority and may in fact have racist views about people who are not them. This doesn't stop being true just because they happen to move to America. In other words perhaps you are the one taking things out of context? Billions of non white people have never experienced 'systemic racism' in the west. Because they don't live there. 'White' isn't a cohesive group either. You aren't really going to claim that Jewish people, Gypsys, Irish, etc have never been oppressed for being who they are, are you?
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Post by midasear on Mar 19, 2017 16:18:47 GMT
That's all valid, and I'd agree with it. But the thing is, you do have to ask yourself what would have happened if an employee was to tweet out the exact tweets he did, only replacing every "white" with practically any other group, and especially something like: "blacks", "gays", "Muslims", etc.
Something tells me that the shitstorm would have been apocalyptic, and that Bioware wouldn't have been as forgiving. Racism should be treated with the same disdain, no matter which group it is directed at.
Twitter likely would have cut the offender off. If they had not, someone would have complained to Quebec's Human Rights Commission and the offender would have been hauled in front of a tribunal. Is there a double standard in here? Yeah, sure. But that's on Twitter and Canada. So blame Canada. And Twitter. But seriously, Twitter is one of the worst ideas ever. The internet (and the world) will be a better place when it goes the way of AOL, MyPage or (better yet) Gawker. Anything that causes people to quit using Twitter is "good", even double standards!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:20:10 GMT
Gotta love the mental gymnastics some people will employ to excuse racism/sexism/discrimination of any kind, and how they will rationalise that a double standard isn't actually a double standard. It still usually just boils down to "what is a sin for thee Isn't for me!" Not exactly surprising though, nobody likes accepting their own hypocrisy.
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Post by 10k on Mar 19, 2017 16:20:26 GMT
But here's a thing, you're completely taking out the context. White people in the Western Industrial World have never suffered oppression due to them being white. Meanwhile with black people in the US, there are still people who are in their 60's to have lived through Jim Crow laws. Meanwhile those racists in power didn't disappeared and they're still trying to bring back the same laws with next generation. So when someone is racist against white people, overwhelming majority of white people will just not give a damn and probably laugh it off. But black people lived through or live with family members who suffered through systemic racism against black people and are still suffering the consequences of the oppression to this day. It's not a laughing matter of them, hence why it's take far more seriously. Also generally only white supremacists and neo-nazis raise a noise about how white people are oppressed( some celebrities talking shit against whites ain't oppression), so people do some serious distancing when racism against whites topic is brought up. You can't take out historical context, especially when most people who lived through are still alive. It's 2017, as Ben Shapiro would say "Point me to an example of systemic racism and I'll help you fight it" But there is no systemic racism. There are individuals who are racist, and that's about it. Just because there was racism in the past done to blacks doesn't mean it gives us the right to treat whites the same way our ancestors were treated. racism is racism in 2017, I don't care what color you are. I am black and I am successful in this western industrial world. I have never came across this idiotic suggestion of systematic racism. I have had every opportunity offered to me in the same fashion as my white counterparts, and I worked for everything I have, as did my family. To say there is still oppression going on in america towards blacks is ludicrous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:30:36 GMT
I know that someone had already posted this in the other thread but I see the need to repost this
Friendly reminder:
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 19, 2017 16:36:47 GMT
I know that someone had already posted this in the other thread but I see the need to repost this Friendly reminder: Whatever makes you sleep better at night mon ami
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 19, 2017 16:38:24 GMT
Manveer's race rhetoric didn't keep BioWare from hiring him, and had nothing to do with his departure. They get no credit for this from me.
Any suggestion that white people should have to listen to the Manveer Heirs of the world because of the other existing injustices, such as institutional racism, is foolish. No one should be expected to quietly, complacently listen to provocative ethnic rhetoric. He is an ass, just as anyone who acts like him is an ass. I feel sorry for him that his life revolves around this obsession, but I'll be glad to not hear about his racist ass again, or at least as often.
As with all bitter trolls, the best way to handle him would be to deny him an audience. We can choose to do our part, or not as suits you, by not spreading his name and hate any further.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 19, 2017 16:40:24 GMT
There is no difference between this and the other MH threads that have sprout out and have been shut down. Obviously this is an issue that polarizes people and causes undue stress.
Motion to shut thread down. Motion to move all discussions of race and MH to the General section for politics/racial discourse.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 19, 2017 16:59:12 GMT
There is no difference between this and the other MH threads that have sprout out and have been shut down. Obviously this is an issue that polarizes people and causes undue stress. Motion to shut thread down. Motion to move all discussions of race and MH to the General section for politics/racial discourse. Last word to you ryerye17 As we gave the topic one last go to get it out of our system (thanks for all the civil posts), for the purposes of this thread and this topic: I think we're done here...
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