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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 19:05:30 GMT
Yeah. I watched gameplay videos of people who got pretty far with the main quest. Up until: The Salarian Ark. And more. It is almost as the plot hole SAM becomes, reaches critical mass and becomes a black hole of senselessness. Oh dear.
If you are right, then I think that this initial... unfavorable response to ME:A, is merely the prelude, and might signal the end for the ME franchise.
I dunno really. On one side, SAM is a big problem and very finite. So, erasing the SAMs from the game would help immensely, imo. Otherwise, sooner rather than later Bioware has to address all of the problems regarding its existence (which are immense). About the rest of the game I believe everyone should build his/her own impression about... on my part though, I've some face yet to palm.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 19, 2017 19:15:33 GMT
You're all talking like SAM couldn't have reaper technin him as well, why couldn't he?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 19, 2017 19:17:06 GMT
You're all talking like SAM couldn't have reaper technin him as well, why couldn't he? He could. Those parts of Sovereign went somewhere.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Mar 19, 2017 19:21:17 GMT
You're all talking like SAM couldn't have reaper technin him as well, why couldn't he? He probably does
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 19, 2017 19:31:24 GMT
You're all talking like SAM couldn't have reaper technin him as well, why couldn't he? He could. Those parts of Sovereign went somewhere. The Keepers ate them.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 19, 2017 19:33:44 GMT
He could. Those parts of Sovereign went somewhere. The Keepers ate them. Good source of iron
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Post by Addictress on Mar 19, 2017 19:41:07 GMT
If SAM truly has reaper tech in it then maybe I'll allow it. But get this: Alec Ryder invented him..Yes.
This dad. This one guy. He's not a quadrillionaire like The Illusive Man with entire scientific colonies dedicated nonstop to working out reaper tech.
Your dad simply admits to fuckin building SAM -a reaper-level AI.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 19, 2017 19:41:59 GMT
Alec Ryder is more successful and competent than The Illusive Man and his entire organization.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 19:43:24 GMT
Bioware just needed a way to make it so you can change from a biotic superwarrior to a tech engineer instantly, I'm not really the kind of guy to get worked up about stupid bits of plot, so i'm not too upset about it. I think you're overreacting, I don't think the common person is going to get as annoyed about things like this than people on this forum, who are really in to the franchise, so I don't think something like this will be the death knell for the series You're wrong: to the point, I wish you were right. For starters it’s not a stupid bit of the plot: it’s one of its main pillars. But I suppose it could seem overreacting to people who don’t care. If you’re interested, I’ve tried to summarized some of the whys in this topic: bsn.boards.net/thread/5224/sam-matter-entails
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 19:45:19 GMT
Alec Ryder is more successful and competent than The Illusive Man and his entire organization. Than he can't be part of Cerberus. Success is unknown to them: they only deal in failures and controversial researches.
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Post by cameronlfc on Mar 19, 2017 19:47:09 GMT
Bioware just needed a way to make it so you can change from a biotic superwarrior to a tech engineer instantly, I'm not really the kind of guy to get worked up about stupid bits of plot, so i'm not too upset about it. I think you're overreacting, I don't think the common person is going to get as annoyed about things like this than people on this forum, who are really in to the franchise, so I don't think something like this will be the death knell for the series You're wrong: to the point, I wish you were right. For starters it’s not a stupid bit of the plot: it’s one of its main pillars. But I suppose it could seem overreacting to people who don’t care. If you’re interested, I’ve tried to summarized some of the whys in this topic: bsn.boards.net/thread/5224/sam-matter-entailsI'm sure they'll explain it during the "Ryder Family History" quest line, since it seems to be about how SAM was created. I wasn't saying that this was a stupid bit of plot tbh, I was talking in general
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 19:52:17 GMT
You're all talking like SAM couldn't have reaper technin him as well, why couldn't he? Because SAMs were completed before the Sovereign attack to the Citadel. And the Initiative departed a little after that. And even if SAMs have reapers' tech in them, it would beg the question where an N7 with no Council attachment and toxic even to the alliance brass obtained it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 19:57:26 GMT
Didn't the Illusive Man have his hand on reaper teach prio to Sovereign? I don't remember all of his backstory at the moment.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 19, 2017 19:58:13 GMT
Right? I mean before the full-scale invasion of Mass Effect 3 the only access even Cerberus and the Alliance had to reaper tech was from the fragments of Sovereign in the Citadel, and the highly difficult-to-obtain Collector base stuff which required an entire mission arc for Shepard to find. Shepard had to infiltrate the collector ships directly. This was top-secret, suicide mission stuff.
So Alec Ryder just randomly had reaper tech on hand?
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Post by Addictress on Mar 19, 2017 19:59:59 GMT
Didn't the Illusive Man have his hand on reaper teach prio to Sovereign? I don't remember all of his backstory at the moment. I guess he did have Dragon Teeth via the indoctrinated geth from Mass Effect 1
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 19, 2017 20:04:44 GMT
Wasn't there pre-ME1 Reaper stuff though?
Not 'pieces of a Reaper' but still content? And/or gaps in story in which this could occur?
They already did that with the FCW itself with Jack Harper's story, and Saren's tracking down Sovereign.
It doesn't need to use 'Reaper tech' - it can even use the general understanding of AI gleaned from something to do with the Reapers.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 19, 2017 20:05:31 GMT
Didn't the Illusive Man have his hand on reaper teach prio to Sovereign? I don't remember all of his backstory at the moment. I guess he did have Dragon Teeth via the indoctrinated geth from Mass Effect 1 Illusive's Man own backstory ties in with Reaper tech during the first contact war. It's not outlandish to say he could've had tech from before Sovereign. Also making an AI doesn't seem to be the hard part, there was that credit stealing AI from ME1 who was made from an AI that someone else made, it just depends on how smart said AI is. There's a company that specialises in making AI after all, remember? The Quarian indentured servant from ME2. I have my own theories regarding SAM and his development... but I'm not saying anything.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 20:05:41 GMT
Didn't the Illusive Man have his hand on reaper teach prio to Sovereign? I don't remember all of his backstory at the moment. I guess he did have Dragon Teeth via the indoctrinated geth from Mass Effect 1 At most I think TIM had only data on them before the trilogy: not hardware. Reaper tech was only available after Eden Prime in ME1, and even then it was very limited in scope and use. What did the trick imo was the Sovereign after ME1 and the dead reaper in ME2 (where we encounter Legion): Cerberus had weeks or maybe even months there to scrounge and ship away tech and materials.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 19, 2017 20:11:44 GMT
If SAM truly has reaper tech in it then maybe I'll allow it. But get this: Alec Ryder invented him..Yes. This dad. This one guy. He's not a quadrillionaire like The Illusive Man with entire scientific colonies dedicated nonstop to working out reaper tech. Your dad simply admits to fuckin building SAM -a reaper-level AI. ........... ...... Chances are after Alec got dishonorably discharged Cerberus hit him up. Then TIM gives him access to Reaper resources for the betterment of humanity. Makes sense.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 19, 2017 20:12:36 GMT
If SAM truly has reaper tech in it then maybe I'll allow it. But get this: Alec Ryder invented him..Yes. This dad. This one guy. He's not a quadrillionaire like The Illusive Man with entire scientific colonies dedicated nonstop to working out reaper tech. Your dad simply admits to fuckin building SAM -a reaper-level AI. ........... ...... Chances are after Alec got dishonorably discharged Cerberus hit him up. Then TIM gives him access to Reaper resources for the betterment of humanity. Makes sense. Sure, if Mac Walters didn't mind dirtying his paws with enough prior-trilogy references to do something like this. Sure.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 20:18:07 GMT
And now that I remember, AI development in the ME:T universe was only allowed by the Council directly and only on a case by case basis. Even Saren himself only found the Sovereign after being deployed to investigate a rogue scientist who was developing AI without the green light from the Council. Do we get this? In the Milky Way, if you developed AI without Council’s consent, they sent Saren after you. Alec, with his idea of AI able to plug to organic brains, should have been quad deep in SPECTRES! And even supposing he got the green light (blackmailing the Turian councillor?) he should have needed at least the funds of a major interstellar corporation backing him up just to procure the “blue box” needed to house the AI consciousness.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 20:20:18 GMT
Chances are after Alec got dishonorably discharged Cerberus hit him up. Then TIM gives him access to Reaper resources for the betterment of humanity. Makes sense. Sure, if Mac Walters didn't mind dirtying his paws with enough prior-trilogy references to do something like this. Sure. Mmhh... without trying to hijack the project for himself? Doesn’t seem Cerberus M.O.
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Post by Warrick on Mar 19, 2017 20:22:30 GMT
Well, my general impression of SAM is just that he won't STFU. There is no exploration in this game. "Pathfinder, you remember that datapad that you found that had the separatists outpost on it? We've reached that outpost." "Pathfinder, you can mine here." "Pathfinder, your bowels are increasing in size, indicating a large amount of mass, indicating that you need to take a dump." Err, can you just shut up? DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?Ryder will end up worse than Manuel.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 20:25:12 GMT
Well, my general impression of SAM is just that he won't STFU. There is no exploration in this game. "Pathfinder, you remember that datapad that you found that had the separatists outpost on it? We've reached that outpost." "Pathfinder, you can mine here." "Pathfinder, your bowels are increasing in size, indicating a large amount of mass, indicating that you need to take a dump." Err, can you just shut up? DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?Ryder will end up worse than Manuel. Yeah, he will become a Noise Marine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 20:25:15 GMT
Sure, if Mac Walters didn't mind dirtying his paws with enough prior-trilogy references to do something like this. Sure. Mmhh... without trying to hijack the project for himself? Doesn’t seem Cerberus M.O. His sole Interest in such a project could hinge on a few things. A backup for Humanity in case his plan to control the reapers fail. Also to make sure Cora survives, if she is indeed his daughter. I don't feel we know enough about Alec and the Initiative to write this off as bad writing, yet! So far however it does a poor job of selling us on the concept.
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