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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 9:17:24 GMT
This is not a good excuse for all the areas supposedly being empty sandboxes (tho I will see for myself). They don't have to be packed, if all the markers on Eos or at least half of them even had been decent side quests it would have justified the space and you could still have had the Nomad. To be fair, I didn't think Eos was as bad as anywhere in Inqusition so maybe that claim is a little over exaggerated. Well looking at the trend with ME:A criticism, it is mostly exaggerated. I dunno, am I the only person who is not expecting nor seeking for perfection from this game? Like I don't care about the facial animations, I let the early cheesy dialogue go, I never cancelled my pre order and I have no wish to. I don't seek perfection but I would prefer an amazing game to an ok game. I would like Bioware to be successful and be able to create even better games in future. I don't expect anything. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 20, 2017 9:18:51 GMT
What an epic failure, it was obvious for anyone that Andromeda would be bad, but this bad? Jesus...
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 9:18:57 GMT
In general, yes. In terms of open world/side quest ratio? I disagree. They should try to go more towards narrative quests and less about fetch quests, which doesn't seem Andromeda did well, although it improved on DAI. But that's just about Bioware, but all open world RPGs. They could also look at how they handled it in ME1/ME2/ME3/DAO/DA2 instead if side quests were only a problem in DAI and Andromeda. I wasn't talking about problems. Of course they can look at their previous game for a more narrative focus on side quests. My point is that in the open world rpg camp TW3 set a standard in terms of marriage between open world and narrative focus, and so it'll be used a comparison until a game surpasses it in this. Not that MEA should've reached TW3 in that for having a good open world system, but if didn't seem it was good enough, even if improved on DAI. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 20, 2017 9:20:09 GMT
Nobody wants big empty sandboxes! Why can they not realise this, Skyrim and fallout 4 sell because it's Bethesda. The Witcher 3 because they packed their open world full of interesting content but we all know Bioware will never do this, even if they wanted to EA would not allow them the time or the budget. So stop with the open world nonsense, or at least only create as much space as you are going to use! I bet that first person flying minigame cost a lot of time and money too and we all know this will get old fast. Ugh, they can be so annoying sometimes.  In that case, vehicle sections feature must be removed permanently from ME franchise. You can not have packed area with things to do and have enjoyable driving. If you'll stop every 10 meters to do something, what's the damn point of the vehicle? People demanded Mako back since ME2 days. Bioware brought it back with ME:A with Nomad and now people are upset it's back, including people who miss Mako?! It's like people don't even know what they want. I effing love the Nomad. So far. Get back to you when I'm through much of the game. If anything I want to fly griffons in DA4 and fly my own shuttle in a ME game. But I want the design to safely and properly FIT THIS. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 9:23:06 GMT
Well I am making up my own damn mind for myself when I play the game. If it is still good enough for me than that is all I need to play it.
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Post by mrfixit on Mar 20, 2017 9:25:10 GMT
I think they rely too much on tired tropes while thinking they're 'expanding', 'subverting', etc etc (whatever word) them. Its not bad. But yeah, yeah, it DOES get tired at times. You go from Reapers to Corypheus and now to Archon and you, or at least I FEEL it. I know and I agree. That's why I said BioWare's writing isn't all it's hyped to be. That said, it hasn't really bothered me. I enjoyed all their games, warts and all. I expect to like Andromeda just fine, though I do believe the studio has to shake up the formula in the future, get bolder in storytelling department, more experimental overall, catch up with the times. BioWare games were considered "cutting edge" once upon a time (Baldur's Gate, KoTOR, Mass Effect). The whole thing *has* become kinda stale in recent times though. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 20, 2017 9:25:36 GMT
It could still get sales, like ME3 was still successful, DA2 supposedly did alright, DA:I had great launch sales. I feel like the Mass Effect name still counts for something, tho that's depressing. I want it to sell enough for another game but not too much so that they know they need to do better. That's my main worry. I hope these review scores don't hurt the bottom line that much. As long as the game is profitable the suits at EA won't shelve the franchise. It would be a damn shame if it got shelved to since I think many of us are still invested in the lore, races, and overall history they have created with this franchise. Same. I'm not one of the ones saying "Shut it down. Mass Effect is over." online. I want this setting to grow and shine. But I do think this needs to be the wake up call. Perhaps overdue. |
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Post by Reznore on Mar 20, 2017 9:28:30 GMT
I wasn't talking about problems. Of course they can look at their previous game for a more narrative focus on side quests. My point is that in the open world rpg camp TW3 set a standard in terms of marriage between open world and narrative focus, and so it'll be used a comparison until a game surpasses it in this. Not that MEA should've reached TW3 in that for having a good open world system, but if didn't seem it was good enough, even if improved on DAI. To be honest the open world in MEA actually make a lot of sense compared to the Witcher 3. Problem is the side quests, as in writing. Bioware hasn't been good at writing plots or interesting side quests for a while now, also they probably suffer from a lack of confidence after the ME3/DA2 disaster so you end up with a plot that says "omg we're in such a dire situation, it's awful" but then there's actually nothing really awful at all. |
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 20, 2017 9:30:04 GMT
I know this game is not the original trilogy, and I never expected it to be. I wanted it to be it's own game. Why do so many people have such unrealistic standards for video games. One small insignificant thing, and it's one of the many subjects on the internet. "The covering system is different." "The worlds are too large." "Where's Shepard?" "The animation is terrible." "The characters are not like Shepard's squad." It never ends! Why can't they be happy with what they have. Mass Effect is my favorite video game series, and even I don't old the original trilogy at such high esteem. Honestly, this. |
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 9:31:16 GMT
I wasn't talking about problems. Of course they can look at their previous game for a more narrative focus on side quests. My point is that in the open world rpg camp TW3 set a standard in terms of marriage between open world and narrative focus, and so it'll be used a comparison until a game surpasses it in this. Not that MEA should've reached TW3 in that for having a good open world system, but if didn't seem it was good enough, even if improved on DAI. To be honest the open world in MEA actually make a lot of sense compared to the Witcher 3. Problem is the side quests, as in writing. Bioware hasn't been good at writing plots or interesting side quests for a while now, also they probably suffer from a lack of confidence after the ME3/DA2 disaster so you end up with a plot that says "omg we're in such a dire situation, it's awful" but then there's actually nothing really awful at all. My point was more about the marriage of the two elements, not the open world by itself. The idea behind Andromeda's exploration is perfectly fine, it fits the theme of the game and the role of the PC. But the side quests are a mixed bag, it seems. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 9:34:30 GMT
That's my main worry. I hope these review scores don't hurt the bottom line that much. As long as the game is profitable the suits at EA won't shelve the franchise. It would be a damn shame if it got shelved to since I think many of us are still invested in the lore, races, and overall history they have created with this franchise. Same. I'm not one of the ones saying "Shut it down. Mass Effect is over." online. I want this setting to grow and shine. But I do think this needs to be the wake up call. Perhaps overdue. I view ME as bioware's flagship franchise (no disrespect to DA or SWTOR). You don't hand your flagship franchise off to your B or C team (whatever Montreal is). Your A team should be the ones working on it. |
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 9:34:31 GMT
That's my main worry. I hope these review scores don't hurt the bottom line that much. As long as the game is profitable the suits at EA won't shelve the franchise. It would be a damn shame if it got shelved to since I think many of us are still invested in the lore, races, and overall history they have created with this franchise. Same. I'm not one of the ones saying "Shut it down. Mass Effect is over." online. I want this setting to grow and shine. But I do think this needs to be the wake up call. Perhaps overdue. Yeah, a lot of people want Bioware to die. They are literally that mad. Which is another reason why i wanted this game to turn out to be amazing. I didn't expect it but I hoped. |
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 20, 2017 9:38:14 GMT
That's my main worry. I hope these review scores don't hurt the bottom line that much. As long as the game is profitable the suits at EA won't shelve the franchise. It would be a damn shame if it got shelved to since I think many of us are still invested in the lore, races, and overall history they have created with this franchise. Same. I'm not one of the ones saying "Shut it down. Mass Effect is over." online. I want this setting to grow and shine. But I do think this needs to be the wake up call. Perhaps overdue. Even if BioWare fixes things, you honestly think the haters will change? They'll keep going. They've been at it since Mass Effect 3, and they will never, EVER stop. BioWare will try something else, then WHAM, more complaints, hate rants, and harassment. They are wild fire, and there's no water to take them out. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 20, 2017 9:40:19 GMT
Wait, only 4 open world planets? Ow, that's a bummer... yea, the B team blew it, it seams.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 9:42:02 GMT
Same. I'm not one of the ones saying "Shut it down. Mass Effect is over." online. I want this setting to grow and shine. But I do think this needs to be the wake up call. Perhaps overdue. Even if BioWare fixes things, you honestly think the haters will change? They'll keep going. They've been at it since Mass Effect 3, and they will never, EVER stop. BioWare will try something else, then WHAM, more complaints, hate rants, and harassment. They are wild fire, and there's no water to take them out. but game critics are not haters, well most of them aren't. Neither are most gamers, the haters are a vocal minority who have been given ammo atm. If Bioware made an amazing game nobody would care about the haters. Just like nobody cares about the people who hate the Witcher series. |
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 9:42:22 GMT
Wait, only 4 open world planets? Ow, that's a bummer... yea, the B team blew it, it seams. There's a bit of conflicting opinions on that. Others said 5. Not that it changes much. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 9:43:20 GMT
Same. I'm not one of the ones saying "Shut it down. Mass Effect is over." online. I want this setting to grow and shine. But I do think this needs to be the wake up call. Perhaps overdue. Even if BioWare fixes things, you honestly think the haters will change? They'll keep going. They've been at it since Mass Effect 3, and they will never, EVER stop. BioWare will try something else, then WHAM, more complaints, hate rants, and harassment. They are wild fire, and there's no water to take them out. Yeah some of these assholes are downright fanatical in their hatred. There was a reason why the bsn had to be shutdown. And they call us the drones. |
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Post by Plague Doctor on Mar 20, 2017 9:46:20 GMT
So i have been disappointed because of the review scores and the writing complaints, but then i checked the Reddit review Megathread where they helpfully collected the verdicts of all the review sites, and it actually sounds better than i thought. For one, and most importantly, i thought bad writing and bland characters were a universal complaint when they really arent. There are just as many reviewers saying Andromeda has a good/great story and good/great characters. Seems its more divisive than i thought. ^^ |
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Post by guanxi on Mar 20, 2017 9:46:21 GMT
77 is not a bad score at all for a debut release. That's only 2 less than Dragon Age II and the majority of the reviews are still to come.
It's higher than Destiny (76) and I think we'll agree that game did alright. It's gamepot's 6 which is messing up the average, I think it will trend upwards and everything will be fine. There's definitely room for improvement and that's perfectly understandable. It was never going to be the finished article but if does well enough to warrant a sequel the foundations set forth here are looking promising and bode well for the future. I'm sure Montreal have come on in leaps and bounds, learned a whole lot, already have a bunch of ideas for improvements and they will have a ton of good feedback to work with.
Temper your expectations a little, consider it the first instalment (a spiritual successor) not the fourth and you'll have a blast, especially if you give the multiplayer a chance as well. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 9:47:37 GMT
Even if BioWare fixes things, you honestly think the haters will change? They'll keep going. They've been at it since Mass Effect 3, and they will never, EVER stop. BioWare will try something else, then WHAM, more complaints, hate rants, and harassment. They are wild fire, and there's no water to take them out. but game critics are not haters, well most of them aren't. Neither are most gamers, the haters are a vocal minority who have been given ammo atm. If Bioware made an amazing game nobody would care about the haters. Just like nobody cares about the people who hate the Witcher series. I don't think he is referring to professional critics. He is referring to trolls that have infested forums and other social media since DA2 and ME3. I remember how ugly the bsn could get back then and since then toxic trolls like smugboy have gained noriety and momentum. |
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 9:50:48 GMT
but game critics are not haters, well most of them aren't. Neither are most gamers, the haters are a vocal minority who have been given ammo atm. If Bioware made an amazing game nobody would care about the haters. Just like nobody cares about the people who hate the Witcher series. I don't think he is referring to professional critics. He is referring to trolls that have infested forums and other social media since DA2 and ME3. I remember how ugly the bsn could get back then and since then toxic trolls like smugboy have gained noriety and momentum. I was on the BSN, it was full of trolling sure but I don't think that's why they shut it down at all and while I think Smudboy has descended into nitpicking every detail in every bioware product obsessively I do not see how he is a troll. |
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 20, 2017 9:52:18 GMT
but game critics are not haters, well most of them aren't. Neither are most gamers, the haters are a vocal minority who have been given ammo atm. If Bioware made an amazing game nobody would care about the haters. Just like nobody cares about the people who hate the Witcher series. I don't think he is referring to professional critics. He is referring to trolls that have infested forums and other social media since DA2 and ME3. I remember how ugly the bsn could get back then and since then toxic trolls like smugboy have gained noriety and momentum. Not the critics. I try to not give a sh*t what critics have to say, because I need to play for myself. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 9:52:45 GMT
Wait, only 4 open world planets? Ow, that's a bummer... yea, the B team blew it, it seams. There's a bit of conflicting opinions on that. Others said 5. Not that it changes much. I was expecting to have at least as many big planets as DAI had big regions. Still despite these reviews I think MEA's planets will be more intesting than DAI's often grindy areas. So maybe less is more |
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 9:53:42 GMT
Here's the thing to take into account: The only thing critics universally agree upon is the technical issues.
Otherwise, they leap across the fence in one direction or the other with regards to every other aspect of the game.
Also, it seems a lot of reviews depend on how much of an attachment you have to the OT, or how much you wanted Andromeda to mimic the OT.
Overall, at this point it has honestly become a "decide for yourself" sort of game.
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