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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 8:56:06 GMT
Nobody wants big empty sandboxes! Why can they not realise this, Skyrim and fallout 4 sell because it's Bethesda. The Witcher 3 because they packed their open world full of interesting content but we all know Bioware will never do this, even if they wanted to EA would not allow them the time or the budget. So stop with the open world nonsense, or at least only create as much space as you are going to use! I bet that first person flying minigame cost a lot of time and money too and we all know this will get old fast. Ugh, they can be so annoying sometimes.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 20, 2017 8:56:48 GMT
Ugh I don't like seeing these scores. For a series that has consistently gotten 9s in the past this is unsettling. Thing is I had a blast during the trial and I anticipate having a blast when I play it through. I just hope these reviews don't doom the franchise. Damn haters have been trying to tear it down for years. Kind of wished it stayed with the Edmonton team. No disrespect to the Montreal team but the Edmonton team had experience and success with the franchise. Doubt the technical problems would have been this glaring with the Edmonton team. It won them understandingly, though. ME1 was a subpar game even for it's time, lucked out by being people's first RPG for XBOX gamers and for being among the first to do RPG/shooter hybrid. ME3 meanwhile doesn't deserve it's great reception due to it's awful endings, bad writing for main story and villains, dreadful and boring fetch quests and for some sidequests using MP maps that were also uninteresting. Only ME2 is the one that deserved a 9, but only for it's time as game's combat mechanic is ageing poorly.
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Post by shaqfu on Mar 20, 2017 8:59:02 GMT
I'm still excited. Ya I'm disappointed it is scoring as low as it is in places and that it is getting a ton of hate but I'm not gonna let it bring me down! Plus I feel like if they can get all hands on deck and get those patches rolling out to fix those bugs they will still have a solid Mass Effect game.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Mar 20, 2017 8:59:17 GMT
Comparisons : MEA reviews: GameInformer 8.0 (DAI 9, ME3 10, TW3 9,75, DA2 7,75) PC Gamer 80 (DAI 87, ME3 93, TW3 92, DA2 94) IGN: 7.7 (DAI 8,8, ME3 9,5, TW3 9,3, DA2 8,5) Polygon 7.5 (DAI 9,5, ME3 10, TW3 8 - no review for DA2) GamesRadar 3.5 (DAI 4, ME3 4,5, TW3 4, DA2 4) Destructoid 6.5 (DAI 8,5, ME3 8,5, TW3 8, DA2 7) GameSpot: 6.0 (DAI 9, ME3 9, TW3 10, DA2 8) Less everytime, except one minor case (GameInformer for DA2). That's a blow. I'm more concerned with what the reviews are saying than the review score (thats for EA to worry about). I mean, the Gamespot review alone highlighted the following issues: 4 maps, tedious missions, technical problems, hackneyed writing, predictable plot, dull companions, arduous conversations, stilted romances, limited agency and messy UI. All big deals for me, which is to say nothing of the CC debacle and the lack of companion customisation options. I'm honestly debating giving the game a miss for now. To those who are still positive about playing Andromeda at launch, I hope you love it. Be sure to share your thoughts.
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Post by aionis on Mar 20, 2017 9:00:47 GMT
Some comparisons: GameInformer 8.0 ( DAI 9, ME3 10, TW3 9,75, DA2 7,75) PC Gamer 80 ( DAI 87, ME3 93, TW3 92, DA2 94) IGN: 7.7 ( DAI 8,8, ME3 9,5, TW3 9,3, DA2 8,5) Polygon 7.5 ( DAI 9,5, ME3 10, TW3 8 - no review for DA2) GamesRadar 3.5 ( DAI 4, ME3 4,5, TW3 4, DA2 4) Destructoid 6.5 ( DAI 8,5, ME3 8,5, TW3 8, DA2 7) GameSpot: 6.0 ( DAI 9, ME3 9, TW3 10, DA2 8) That's brutal. Less everytime, except one minor case (GameInformer for DA2). That's a blow. Reviews seem mixed, from really good ranges to really bad. All I can say is...better luck next time? Hopefully Bioware takes this as a challenge and just comes back harder. Really all I can say.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 20, 2017 9:01:04 GMT
Nobody wants big empty sandboxes! Why can they not realise this, Skyrim and fallout 4 sell because it's Bethesda. The Witcher 3 because they packed their open world full of interesting content but we all know Bioware will never do this, even if they wanted to EA would not allow them the time or the budget. So stop with the open world nonsense, or at least only create as much space as you are going to use! I bet that first person flying minigame cost a lot of time and money too and we all know this will get old fast. Ugh, they can be so annoying sometimes. In that case, vehicle sections feature must be removed permanently from ME franchise. You can not have packed area with things to do and have enjoyable driving. If you'll stop every 10 meters to do something, what's the damn point of the vehicle? People demanded Mako back since ME2 days. Bioware brought it back with ME:A with Nomad and now people are upset it's back, including people who miss Mako?! It's like people don't even know what they want.
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Post by Fluffy on Mar 20, 2017 9:01:13 GMT
The funny thing is they would just find something else to bitch and rage and be toxic and vile about like a broken record until any person who was ever excited about anything is just as miserable and full of hate as they are. They would find the tiniest things and make them into huge issues and NEVER stop mentioning it. Nothing is ever going to be perfect so the logic that "if the game didn't have flaws they would have nothing to say" just doesn't add up. I have only played the 10 hour trial so sure maybe I am not seeing the entire picture yet but to me the game is definitely not "admitably a mess". I can't wait to play more.
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Post by aionis on Mar 20, 2017 9:01:51 GMT
though I firmly believe some people were ready to hate this game already due to ME3 ending scorn still festering and the 'anti-sjw' crowd. Aka the idiots tbh.
Welp. can't wait to get into the full game tomorrow.
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Post by Pokemario on Mar 20, 2017 9:04:01 GMT
Getting tired of all these TW3 comments popping up. CD PROJEKT RED make a different type of games, which I personally don't like that much and find utterly inferior to BioWare's Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. That does not make said series better than The Witcher. If you like CDPR's approach better, than good, I hope their next game blows your mind. But BioWare should NOT try to be like them.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Mar 20, 2017 9:04:06 GMT
I don't hold too much stock with scores from official reviews - I actually used to write reviews for a gaming site (about a decade ago now!), and the team of reviewers often had hugely differing opinions on a game, and it was an awful lot to do with who in the team got allocated the game as to what the final score would be.
Prime example - Fallout 4. In reviews it got 10/10s, or high 90s almost completely across the board. It won awards and GOTY and had almost universal recommendations. I really disliked it! I completed it but I never got into it, (despite loving Fallout 3) I felt no magic, I was bored mindless playing it in the end, and I would never recommend it to anyone. I would have reviewed it as a 6.
With Andromeda I loved the trial, and I can't wait to play more. It feels like ME1 (my absolute favourite of the series) and I just hope with all my heart that the less favourable reviews don't mean EA kills the franchise.
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Post by taritu on Mar 20, 2017 9:04:07 GMT
ME 1 wasn't subpar to me. What it did, story and immersion, it did extremely well. ME3 was good overall, marred by the ending and too much railroading of Shepard's emotions (the kid thing pissed me off.) ME2, while great in many ways, was super-stupid in terms of narrative choice. (How about I just kill Miranda and Jacob once I find out they're Cerberus and take the shuttle where I choose?)
All 3 were good games.
As for ME:A, I still expect to enjoy it. While it has issues, from what I saw in Early Access, it is not a 6 game, that's an over-reaction to the negative after reviewers got burned by missing ME3's ending problem.
Also there are lots of games I love that other people don't. If you find yourself loving ME:A, that's great. Don't let other people ruin it for you. Personally, I wanted to keep playing when my trial ended, and that's the bottom line "I want to play more." I found the 6/10 review ridiculous for that reason: "Despite all this I still want to play."
Ok, then, if after 60 hours you still want to play, it's a good game, whatever its problems.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 9:04:25 GMT
It could still get sales, like ME3 was still successful, DA2 supposedly did alright, DA:I had great launch sales. I feel like the Mass Effect name still counts for something, tho that's depressing.
I want it to sell enough for another game but not too much so that they know they need to do better.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 9:07:19 GMT
Getting tired of all these TW3 comments popping up. CD PROJEKT RED make a different type of games, which I personally don't like that much and find utterly inferior to BioWare's Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. That does not make said series better than The Witcher. If you like CDPR's approach better, than good, I hope their next game blows your mind. But BioWare should NOT try to be like them. In general, yes. In terms of open world/side quest ratio? I disagree. They should try to go more towards narrative quests and less about fetch quests, which doesn't seem Andromeda did well, although it improved on DAI. But that's just about Bioware, but all open world RPGs.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 9:09:08 GMT
It could still get sales, like ME3 was still successful, DA2 supposedly did alright, DA:I had great launch sales. I feel like the Mass Effect name still counts for something, tho that's depressing. I want it to sell enough for another game but not too much so that they know they need to do better. DA2's sales were based basically on the preorders and DAO's success. And it was a financial success because the game has practically one year of dev time, so they didn't need the same aumont of copies sold of DAO to be successful financially. MEA had quite a long dev cycle, I'm quite sure they're expecting around 5 million copies.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Mar 20, 2017 9:09:34 GMT
Definitely - after 6 hours of Fallout 4 I did not want to play another minute, never mind 60 hours! If you still want to play a game that has big technical problems after 60 hours, to me that says that the game must be pretty great to keep your interest all that time, in spite of the issues!
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 9:09:49 GMT
Nobody wants big empty sandboxes! Why can they not realise this, Skyrim and fallout 4 sell because it's Bethesda. The Witcher 3 because they packed their open world full of interesting content but we all know Bioware will never do this, even if they wanted to EA would not allow them the time or the budget. So stop with the open world nonsense, or at least only create as much space as you are going to use! I bet that first person flying minigame cost a lot of time and money too and we all know this will get old fast. Ugh, they can be so annoying sometimes. In that case, vehicle sections feature must be removed permanently from ME franchise. You can not have packed area with things to do and have enjoyable driving. If you'll stop every 10 meters to do something, what's the damn point of the vehicle? People demanded Mako back since ME2 days. Bioware brought it back with ME:A with Nomad and now people are upset it's back, including people who miss Mako?! It's like people don't even know what they want. This is not a good excuse for all the areas supposedly being empty sandboxes (tho I will see for myself). They don't have to be packed, if all the markers on Eos or at least half of them even had been decent side quests it would have justified the space and you could still have had the Nomad. To be fair, I didn't think Eos was as bad as anywhere in Inqusition so maybe that claim is a little over exaggerated.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 20, 2017 9:11:29 GMT
I noticed that the most negative reviews are coming from PS4 version of ME:A. On PS4 game performs awful due to Sony's mandate for all SP games to have 1080p resolutions. XBOne in other hand allowed 900p resolution, hence why ME:A performs decently there. While amazingly well for majority of PC users, as of trial version of the game.
Yet for some reason all of the biggest gaming media outlets decided to review ME:A on PS4, not on XBOX nor PC where ME franchise started.
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Post by xetykins on Mar 20, 2017 9:13:19 GMT
Oh well. I was hoping that what I played for 5 hrs is going to get better, but I guess not.
Having said that, this would be the first ME that would let me down. I enjoyed ME trilogy immensely. I will still buy this perhaps after a few patches because unless I missed a lot, there aren't a lot of great RPGs I am looking forward to.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 20, 2017 9:13:21 GMT
In that case, vehicle sections feature must be removed permanently from ME franchise. You can not have packed area with things to do and have enjoyable driving. If you'll stop every 10 meters to do something, what's the damn point of the vehicle? People demanded Mako back since ME2 days. Bioware brought it back with ME:A with Nomad and now people are upset it's back, including people who miss Mako?! It's like people don't even know what they want. This is not a good excuse for all the areas supposedly being empty sandboxes (tho I will see for myself). They don't have to be packed, if all the markers on Eos or at least half of them even had been decent side quests it would have justified the space and you could still have had the Nomad. To be fair, I didn't think Eos was as bad as anywhere in Inqusition so maybe that claim is a little over exaggerated. Well looking at the trend with ME:A criticism, it is mostly exaggerated. I dunno, am I the only person who is not expecting nor seeking for perfection from this game?
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 20, 2017 9:13:21 GMT
I know this game is not the original trilogy, and I never expected it to be. I wanted it to be it's own game. Why do so many people have such unrealistic standards for video games. One small insignificant thing, and it's one of the many subjects on the internet. "The covering system is different." "The worlds are too large." "Where's Shepard?" "The animation is terrible." "The characters are not like Shepard's squad." It never ends! Why can't they be happy with what they have? Mass Effect is my favorite video game series, and even I don't hold the original trilogy at such high esteem.
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Post by Tachikoma on Mar 20, 2017 9:13:51 GMT
Haters are all over the ****ing place. YouTube, Google, everywhere. It's getting worse by the day. You would believe the amount of dislikes the romance scenes have. The game will be released tomorrow, and the hatred, from these terrible, toxic people, have clouded over my excitement for this game for the past several days. I can't take it anymore. If the game has problems, fine. No game is perfect. But take it WAY too seriously. They are too harsh. They are spreading like locusts. I know what you're gonna say. "It's the internet, and you shouldn't take it seriously." You're right. It is the internet, because they are the very irrational trash most of the internet is made out of. UGH!
I..I don't even think I'm excited anymore. It's like....all the comments are taking all the excitement away from me in place of a bad mood. I'm angry, and sad at the same time. I'm angry towards THEM, and I'm sad because they won't stop. How can I enjoy a game when 100's or 1000's of ***holes reign supreme, with all their bullshit comments all over my mind. It's like their sole purpose were to be the buzzkills of the internet, because they won't stand somebody being excited, claiming that person is just a "stupid fanboy." You know what it's like witnesses something you enjoy so much, being thrashed by so many angry people, and there's nothing you can do about it? That's me right now. What the hell is wrong with people? What did Mass Effect do to deserve this? And people are unfairly comparing it to games like the new Zelda game, and Horizon: Zero Dawn, as if they put such high standard before playing Andromeda, because of those games. Putting such a high standard could lead to disappointment, so they screw themselves over. Why would I compare Andromeda to games that have absolutely nothing to do with Mass Effect? Graphics? Maybe, but with every little detail to the point where it becomes unnecessary and irrelevant? The only standards I have for this game, come off of playing the Mass Effect Trilogy. Here here, have an internet hug buddy. :dumb: To be honest, although many issues are wayyy blown up by straight up malicious people, like animation glitches, even the most positive reviews do mention some technical issues. Still, I've never encountered a single bug on my rig, which is not particularly powerful and is already 1 1/2 years old. It's been stress tested, badly, by day 1 DAI and XCOM2 so maybe that helped. But rest assure it's going to be MUCH better than DAI at launch (since MEA has already been patched twice and such). Which was a bloody mess. Which somehow all the critics have conveniently glossed over. And if you don't push the settings to Ultra plus Omega on a potato build you are far less likely to encounter all those bugs mentioned in the review. Writing though is another whole issue that I don't even know where to start. Ugh! I don't get why people like Mass Effect 1's critical story line writing more than 2 or 3's, like, at all. Same amount of cringe, less fun, took itself too seriously. And I love DA2 to bits and pieces and think it's the best among all 3 in the series. Yeah, especially with the whole lotta "choice doesn't matter shits still hit the fan" idea. I don't see people complain about the ending of The Last of Us yet you cannot change a thing. At one point you gotta choose between telling a story and letting the player make their own story, and unless the game has a plotline as forgettable as skyrim's the choices are always a facade. You are being told a story by the developers. It is in the end a very personal issue. One man's meat, another man's poison. If you find polarizing views on writing quality then it almost guarantees a hate it or love it or even both experience, more so than a one-sided applause. Anyhow stay focused on the game itself, specifically on how YOU feel about it, not on other people who tell you how to enjoy(or trash) the game. And remember that there are like minded people here on this forum and we can huddle for warmth together in this crazy storm. Cheers
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Post by Pokemario on Mar 20, 2017 9:14:41 GMT
Getting tired of all these TW3 comments popping up. CD PROJEKT RED make a different type of games, which I personally don't like that much and find utterly inferior to BioWare's Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. That does not make said series better than The Witcher. If you like CDPR's approach better, than good, I hope their next game blows your mind. But BioWare should NOT try to be like them. In general, yes. In terms of open world/side quest ratio? I disagree. They should try to go more towards narrative quests and less about fetch quests, which doesn't seem Andromeda did well, although it improved on DAI. But that's just about Bioware, but all open world RPGs. They could also look at how they handled it in ME1/ME2/ME3/DAO/DA2 instead if side quests were only a problem in DAI and Andromeda.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 9:15:45 GMT
It could still get sales, like ME3 was still successful, DA2 supposedly did alright, DA:I had great launch sales. I feel like the Mass Effect name still counts for something, tho that's depressing. I want it to sell enough for another game but not too much so that they know they need to do better. That's my main worry. I hope these review scores don't hurt the bottom line that much. As long as the game is profitable the suits at EA won't shelve the franchise. It would be a damn shame if it got shelved to since I think many of us are still invested in the lore, races, and overall history they have created with this franchise.
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Post by farsight on Mar 20, 2017 9:15:52 GMT
They reviewed it on PS4 since it won the war duh. PS4 slaughtered the bone.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 20, 2017 9:16:42 GMT
I am kinda surprised by my own feelings this morning. Despite the astoundingly negative reviews, I am more optimistic about the game than I've been in a long time. Perhaps all this shitstrom had a liberating effect on me now that I don't have to anxiously await the "final word". For one, I don't give a f*ck about animations. I am a rather casual gamer who plays only a few games each year (and replays all sorts of olden goldies). Technical things are very low on my list of priorities. Writing may very well be on the weaker side, but then again I always thought BioWare's "writing accomplishments" have been exaggerated. None of their games are exactly literary masterpieces and their characters, who I enjoy immensely, regularly tend to be a bit broad and archetypal. After some patching, I expect Andromeda to be a very immersive and fun exploration game with a lot of interesting storytelling, some nice characters, and exciting combat system. Which is fine by me... more than fine. Honestly, I can't shake the feeling that at least part of the negativity has to do with the general fatigue regarding the "BioWare formula". Quite a few people comment on how "outdated" their approach is. I dunno, maybe they're right, but then again I'm an old school guy who doesn't mind these things. I guess I'll see soon enough (read: in a few months after I've bought a PC that can actually run this damn thing.) I think they rely too much on tired tropes while thinking they're 'expanding', 'subverting', etc etc (whatever word) them. Its not bad. But yeah, yeah, it DOES get tired at times. You go from Reapers to Corypheus and now to Archon and you, or at least I FEEL it.
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