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Post by Elessar on Mar 20, 2017 22:10:01 GMT
Whatever CDOR is, it had not yet made a single game I wanted to try -I am waiting on Cyberpunk-but I loved every BioWare's game save for NWN1 and Inquisition. I also did not try their very first one, the pre-BG1. So, yeah, I am a narrow focused player, and every time I tried to step out of that narrow range, I did not like what I saw. I actually wanted to try out the Zero Dawn, but it's publisher does not just ignore a small issue like cc not having sliders, it outright did not even try to port it on the PC. Bio ported JE back in what? 2004? So, yeah, Bio gets a big consumer loyalty thing going from me. I literally do not see alternatives. As far as I know on the balance, there is no one doing better by me than Bio. Personally, i'm puzzled how a Bioware fan can not at least somewhat appreciate the Witcher series. And seemingly just because you can't craft your own character. In reality, you can define your personality pretty much like in Mass Effect, so in the end, it's just about visuals we can't change. Oh, well, to each their own...
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Post by mugwump v1 on Mar 20, 2017 22:12:02 GMT
Thought I'd drop in to share one of the more entertaining and informative video reviews I've seen today:
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 20, 2017 22:12:43 GMT
The greatest game of all time so far, The Witcher 3, is know for that. Ooops, Iakus, caught in your own trap. Don't fret about it, boobies and blood are going strong. Meanwhile Obsidian is in the dark, alone, forever... It might be the goat to you... but tw3 for many is mediocre. Mind boggling I know. Sure, those would be the minority. Also, how much did you like DAI?
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 20, 2017 22:27:56 GMT
Thought I'd drop in to share of the more entertaining and informative video reviews I've seen today: Great video, I'm also waiting for Super Bunnyjump's review, if there is ever going to be one.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 20, 2017 22:29:07 GMT
It might be the goat to you... but tw3 for many is mediocre. Mind boggling I know. Sure, those would be the minority. Also, how much did you like DAI? Thought it leagues better than TW3. But considering TW3 isn't even on my top 100 list that shouldn't be surprising.
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Post by surelyforth on Mar 20, 2017 22:31:28 GMT
Whatever CDOR is, it had not yet made a single game I wanted to try -I am waiting on Cyberpunk-but I loved every BioWare's game save for NWN1 and Inquisition. I also did not try their very first one, the pre-BG1. So, yeah, I am a narrow focused player, and every time I tried to step out of that narrow range, I did not like what I saw. I actually wanted to try out the Zero Dawn, but it's publisher does not just ignore a small issue like cc not having sliders, it outright did not even try to port it on the PC. Bio ported JE back in what? 2004? So, yeah, Bio gets a big consumer loyalty thing going from me. I literally do not see alternatives. As far as I know on the balance, there is no one doing better by me than Bio. Personally, i'm puzzled how a Bioware fan can not at least somewhat appreciate the Witcher series. And seemingly just because you can't craft your own character. In reality, you can define your personality pretty much like in Mass Effect, so in the end, it's just about visuals we can't change. Oh, well, to each their own... I mean, being a (bi) woman who can play a (bi) woman is a pretty big deal to me, and I know from my involvement in fandom that it's a pretty big deal to other female players, as well. I used to run a BW confessions blog, and I received confessions about the positive impact FemShep made on players a few times a week. So to anyone who wants to play as a woman (or even a bi/gay man), it goes well beyond Geralt being "visuals we can't change." ETA: Another thing that people seem to ignore when comparing TW series to BW games is the importance of companions to the over all experience. I love almost all of my BW companions, from DA to ME to SWTOR, and I miss having them around while playing games that don't have followers, or even games like Fallout 4 where followers have more personality and content than older Beth titles, but very little going on outside a short series of approval convos + maybe a personal quest.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 20, 2017 22:35:14 GMT
Sure, those would be the minority. Also, how much did you like DAI? Thought it leagues better than TW3. But considering TW3 isn't even on my top 100 list that shouldn't be surprising. Yeah, figured that much. Typical attitude from you guys. Don't fret about it.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 20, 2017 22:38:50 GMT
Thought it leagues better than TW3. But considering TW3 isn't even on my top 100 list that shouldn't be surprising. Yeah, figured that much. Typical attitude from you guys. Don't fret about it. Says the guy on a forum dedicated to Bioware but has to bring up TW3 in some insecure need to validate an opinion. Talk about typical and crap attitude.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 20, 2017 22:42:31 GMT
Yeah, figured that much. Typical attitude from you guys. Don't fret about it. Says the guy on a forum dedicated to Bioware but has to bring up TW3 in some insecure need to validate an opinion. Talk about typical and crap attitude. I didn't bring that up. Context is important. Insecure? Who's bitter about it? Not me. Butthurt DAI fans, never change. *also ignores everything I said about MEA*
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Post by lundajfs on Mar 20, 2017 22:43:04 GMT
I'm so happy with most reviews! See Bioware this is what you get for hurting me so bad destroying the Dragon Age Franchise! I really hope they get shut down, go broken and never do games again. Then perhaps some of them find jobs in marvelous companies like Obsidian, people that make real RPG and not these shit thing bioware does. Unfortunately shit sells well and I'm 99% sure this game will make lots of money... but a girl can dream.Is there any thing intelligently critical in this post? And why are listed as a boy then say a girl can dream? Or are you as strange/mentally f#$%ed up as your post? No intelligence at all in me. Anything and everything I once had left and all I have now is grief. I just wish terror on those who destroyed my franchise. Thankfully it seems ME:A will deliver part of the wrath I intend on them.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 20, 2017 22:44:32 GMT
Says the guy on a forum dedicated to Bioware but has to bring up TW3 in some insecure need to validate an opinion. Talk about typical and crap attitude. I didn't bring that up. Context is important. Insecure? Who's bitter about it? Not me. Butthurt DAI fans, never change. *also ignores everything I said about MEA* Maybe if your posts weren't juvenile dismissals of people that don't like Tw3 we would not treat you like a kid.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 20, 2017 22:47:06 GMT
I didn't bring that up. Context is important. Insecure? Who's bitter about it? Not me. Butthurt DAI fans, never change. *also ignores everything I said about MEA* Maybe if your posts weren't juvenile dismissals of people that don't like Tw3 we would not treat you like a kid. Or maybe if you knew how to interpret a conversation. But being called a kid by a salty DAI fan barely scratches my skin. Time's up. We're done here.
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Post by n7rhysj on Mar 20, 2017 22:47:30 GMT
Whatever CDOR is, it had not yet made a single game I wanted to try -I am waiting on Cyberpunk-but I loved every BioWare's game save for NWN1 and Inquisition. I also did not try their very first one, the pre-BG1. So, yeah, I am a narrow focused player, and every time I tried to step out of that narrow range, I did not like what I saw. I actually wanted to try out the Zero Dawn, but it's publisher does not just ignore a small issue like cc not having sliders, it outright did not even try to port it on the PC. Bio ported JE back in what? 2004? So, yeah, Bio gets a big consumer loyalty thing going from me. I literally do not see alternatives. As far as I know on the balance, there is no one doing better by me than Bio. Personally, i'm puzzled how a Bioware fan can not at least somewhat appreciate the Witcher series. And seemingly just because you can't craft your own character. In reality, you can define your personality pretty much like in Mass Effect, so in the end, it's just about visuals we can't change. Oh, well, to each their own... I love both games but I prefer ME but that’s more to do with the fact that I prefer sci fi to high fantasy, but let’s not forget that the TW3 is the lessons leant over three games where as the BW b team is their first game. What annoys me is when people pretend the Witcher didn’t have any glitches and pretend it didn’t have any bugs at launch. With good patching ME A could be turned in to a lot better game it just needs time its a solid game, the other issue is that people though it was going to change the ME 3 endings and magically have better characters and writing than what the trilogy had over three games. Much like the Witcher evolved over 3 games in to the excellent Witcher 3 perhaps the BW b team should be allowed to learn and develop instead of pretending because ME A isn’t goty ME is dead.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 20, 2017 22:51:54 GMT
Is there any thing intelligently critical in this post? And why are listed as a boy then say a girl can dream? Or are you as strange/mentally f#$%ed up as your post? No intelligence at all in me. Anything and everything I once had left and all I have now is grief. I just wish terror on those who destroyed my franchise. Thankfully it seems ME:A will deliver part of the wrath I intend on them. Hahah Fair enough. I'm glad you at least have a sense of humor with your misery. I also hope you play the game someday and are pleasantly surprised
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 20, 2017 22:56:09 GMT
Personally, i'm puzzled how a Bioware fan can not at least somewhat appreciate the Witcher series. And seemingly just because you can't craft your own character. In reality, you can define your personality pretty much like in Mass Effect, so in the end, it's just about visuals we can't change. Oh, well, to each their own... I love both games but I prefer ME but that’s more to do with the fact that I prefer sci fi to high fantasy, but let’s not forget that the TW3 is the lessons leant over three games where as the BW b team is their first game. What annoys me is when people pretend the Witcher didn’t have any glitches and pretend it didn’t have any bugs at launch. With good patching ME A could be turned in to a lot better game it just needs time its a solid game, the other issue is that people though it was going to change the ME 3 endings and magically have better characters and writing than what the trilogy had over three games. Much like the Witcher evolved over 3 games in to the excellent Witcher 3 perhaps the BW b team should be allowed to learn and develop instead of pretending because ME A isn’t goty ME is dead. TW3 is CDPR's first open world game, first multiple platform development, and first time work with the completed in house Red engine (yup, TW2's engine is still WIP when it ships). So I'm not too sure inexperience is a valid excuse here. Every new project brings uncertainty, is dev team's attitude makes all the difference.
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Post by MassEffectTechie on Mar 20, 2017 23:03:35 GMT
Sometimes I hate critic reviews. They're too academic in nature and don't necessarily reflect how much people are enjoying the game. At it's core, a game is an entertainment product and should be judged on whether gamers enjoy the game.
A recent example, but by no means the only or most striking, is between Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda. Reviewers fawned over Zelda giving it 10s everywhere with 97% on metacritic, yet it only has a user score of 7.5 which is quite mediocre. Meanwhile HZD was liked by critics but not absolutely loved at 89%, but has a much superior user score of 8.5 suggesting on the whole more people enjoyed the experience.
Zelda's a beautifiul work of art, don't get me wrong. But it's not for everyone and certainly isn't the best entertainment product ever, judging by the entertainment criterion. Mass Effect Andromeda might not be as polished, and it might have more obvious flaws to bash, but in the end as an entertainment product do people enjoy the game? I reckon if people gave it a chance and ignored the reviews, they really would.
And that's why critic reviews can be bad for gaming. It distorts people's opinion and enjoyment of the game before they've even played a minute of it.
I reckon when we look back at ME:A in a year's time, when the critics reviews are out of mind and people start playing ME:A with an mindset of just enjoying the game, it'll be much better regarded.
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Post by n7rhysj on Mar 20, 2017 23:07:56 GMT
I love both games but I prefer ME but that’s more to do with the fact that I prefer sci fi to high fantasy, but let’s not forget that the TW3 is the lessons leant over three games where as the BW b team is their first game. What annoys me is when people pretend the Witcher didn’t have any glitches and pretend it didn’t have any bugs at launch. With good patching ME A could be turned in to a lot better game it just needs time its a solid game, the other issue is that people though it was going to change the ME 3 endings and magically have better characters and writing than what the trilogy had over three games. Much like the Witcher evolved over 3 games in to the excellent Witcher 3 perhaps the BW b team should be allowed to learn and develop instead of pretending because ME A isn’t goty ME is dead. TW3 is CDPR's first open world game, first multiple platform development, and first time work with the completed in house Red engine (yup, TW2's engine is still WIP when it ships). So I'm not too sure inexperience is a valid excuse here. Every new project brings uncertainty, is dev team's attitude makes all the difference. Witcher 2 is semi open world with area hubs within the limits of the hardware at the time i.e. Xbox 360 and they had a 3 game development cycle much as the original trilogy did and each game improved on its faults I know they changed engines but they learnt lessons from the first two games the combat in Witcher 1 was quick time events and it wasn’t particular good in Witcher 2 either although you can’t fault story setting or characters and the combat in 3 is amazing. I’m just saying BW b team should be given time to be allowed to learn from their mistakes. People are acting like CDPR made a perfect first game where in reality they had a 3 game development cycle to refine and make one of the best games I have ever played. Did you really expect ME A to be better than the trilogy that’s one of the reasons that there is so much disappointment. They expected ME A to fix the ending of ME 3 and be better than the OT.
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Post by helios969 on Mar 20, 2017 23:12:57 GMT
well looks like CDPR is now the king of the hill. Bioware is way way down below, Though I'll enjoy ME:A Well, if we're to be honest they were already well ahead of the field with TW3. Let's hope they can follow that up with their Cyberpunk game.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 20, 2017 23:13:02 GMT
I almost feel bad for CDR because the first time they stumble (and it will happen). It will get ugly. The worst parts of the old bioware fanbase has migrated to them. The reason so many old Bioware fans have jumped ship and flocked to CDPR is because THEY are now writing amazing characters and stories that move you to tears while Bioware has turned into an embarrassing parody of its former self. Bioware's creativity is gone because the people who wrote these beloved great characters are GONE. They jumped ship years before most fans realized that the blank eyes of MEA are what Bioware has become under EA. Those freak show faces and awful animations couldn't be any more symbolic. MEA is a caricature of Mass Effect, it's a dating sim for teenagers to me. It's so wooden and dull, it's bordering on the bizarre. And the biggest irony of all is that Geralt allows for far greater roleplaying/real consequences than Ryder or his equally boring predecessor the inquisitor. Geralt is like paragon/regenade Shepard. You can be the sweetest helpful guy ever or sell out your friends to be tortured to death. Apparently Ryder is four shades of paragon that boils down to the same thing. How is that for roleplaying?? How can anybody defend this crap and hate on Geralt as a set character?! It's HILARIOUS! Can't create the face you want for Ryder, can't make the choices you want because the game won't allow you to be a big meanie. Can't even save your progress whenever you want. LOL. So does it boil down to who you can shag or what? Is that all that matters to people these days? Because that's the only thing Bioware still has to offer that other developers don't: LBGT romances. That's all that's left. Everything else is done way better by others now. Hell, Horizon has a MUCH better cinematic emotionally rewarding intro that drew me in the way Bioware once did. Aloy, another set character, feels more alive that this wooden creepy doll that is Ryder. It's only a matter of time until CDPR realizes that they can get away with a lot less effort too. Uninspired buggy games sell just a well. Why make an effort? Just look at all the people here not believing these reviewers all saying the writing is weak and the characters dull. And the quests are nothing but busywork. Having watched the opening and mission bits on YT I can only agree. CDPR has replaced Bioware for me as the most engaging storytellers. They don't care about SJW whining and political correctness one bit. They just do their thing, writing good stories and complex characters. I wish Bioware had done the same. But they chose to ride the special snowflake wave. So that everybody can indulge in their personal fantasies rather than play a good story. And it has killed all their creativity.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 20, 2017 23:15:47 GMT
TW3 is CDPR's first open world game, first multiple platform development, and first time work with the completed in house Red engine (yup, TW2's engine is still WIP when it ships). So I'm not too sure inexperience is a valid excuse here. Every new project brings uncertainty, is dev team's attitude makes all the difference. Witcher 2 is semi open world with area hubs within the limits of the hardware at the time i.e. Xbox 360 and they had a 3 game development cycle much as the original trilogy did and each game improved on its faults I know they changed engines but they learnt lessons from the first two games the combat in Witcher 1 was quick time events and it wasn’t particular good in Witcher 2 either although you can’t fault story setting or characters and the combat in 3 is amazing. I’m just saying BW b team should be given time to be allowed to learn from their mistakes. People are acting like CDPR made a perfect first game where in reality they had a 3 game development cycle to refine and make one of the best games I have ever played. Did you really expect ME A to be better than the trilogy that’s one of the reasons that there is so much disappointment. They expected ME A to fix the ending of ME 3 and be better than the OT. TW2 semi open world!? 😂 What r u even talking about? TW2's 360 port is done with the witches traditional enhanced patch, which is almost 1 year later since TW2's PC release. Given the improvement in the Red Engine, it is possible to port TW2 to other platforms. A fair comparison would be BW A team's first open world RPG vs TW3, we all know how that goes.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 20, 2017 23:22:31 GMT
Also....
Anyone else now looking back on Bioware shutting the forums down and going
"uhmmmm well that makes sense now"?
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Post by n7rhysj on Mar 20, 2017 23:27:54 GMT
Witcher 2 is semi open world with area hubs within the limits of the hardware at the time i.e. Xbox 360 and they had a 3 game development cycle much as the original trilogy did and each game improved on its faults I know they changed engines but they learnt lessons from the first two games the combat in Witcher 1 was quick time events and it wasn’t particular good in Witcher 2 either although you can’t fault story setting or characters and the combat in 3 is amazing. I’m just saying BW b team should be given time to be allowed to learn from their mistakes. People are acting like CDPR made a perfect first game where in reality they had a 3 game development cycle to refine and make one of the best games I have ever played. Did you really expect ME A to be better than the trilogy that’s one of the reasons that there is so much disappointment. They expected ME A to fix the ending of ME 3 and be better than the OT. TW2 semi open world!? 😂 What r u even talking about? TW2's 360 port is done with the witches traditional enhanced patch, which is almost 1 year later since TW2's PC release. Given the improvement in the Red Engine, it is possible to port TW2 to other platforms. A fair comparison would be BW A team's first open world RPG vs TW3, we all know how that goes. So you’re saying the Witcher 2 is completely linear and has no area hubs or any areas you can explore, yeh DA I was good but TW3 is an amazing game, I wish they would go back DA O style RPG
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 21, 2017 0:00:28 GMT
Also...it makes sense now that the nomad has no main gun, if the core mechanics are this flawed adding vehicular combat would have been a nightmare
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 21, 2017 0:13:45 GMT
It's truly a bummer it's not getting better reviews but I'm wondering what it takes for the high level brass at EA/Bioware to rethink their formula and start taking risks. So many reviewers saying Andromeda is more of the same and a meek effort by Bioware. Same things they heard when they rushed out DA2. And yet here we are. Look at TW3, Horizon and Zelda. All huge risks for those devs, but it paid off big time.
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