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Post by alanc9 on Mar 21, 2017 0:45:29 GMT
Huh? DA2 took plenty of risks.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 21, 2017 0:55:56 GMT
Yeah if its a 6/10 to the ignorants at Gamespot, it is really likely to be at the VERY least a 7/10 for me. (though I'm looking for 8-9 for a ME game; so hoping for updates, patches, even overhauls if need be, and very quality DLC) Calls a 6/10 ignorant. Then rates game 7/10. ???? I was responding to the idea of that Gamespot went into the game with ignorance, not that a 6/10 is ignorant. If the game deserves 6, it deserves 6.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 21, 2017 0:59:26 GMT
It's truly a bummer it's not getting better reviews but I'm wondering what it takes for the high level brass at EA/Bioware to rethink their formula and start taking risks. So many reviewers saying Andromeda is more of the same and a meek effort by Bioware. Same things they heard when they rushed out DA2. And yet here we are. Look at TW3, Horizon and Zelda. All huge risks for those devs, but it paid off big time. da2 took risks apart from having a unfair 18 month development cycle. At least it had a different general narrative in contrast to most bioware games. MEA is a retreading of ME1 and DAI is a retreading of Origins.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 21, 2017 1:01:08 GMT
Still 75 on metacritic. Stupid gamespot really pulled the score down. 78 now. To those who say the reviews are bad they really aren't. Even the critical ones have positive points. Most of them are positive yet some of you act like it's the end of the world.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 21, 2017 1:03:39 GMT
Still 75 on metacritic. Stupid gamespot really pulled the score down. 78 now. To those who say the reviews are bad they really aren't. Even the critical ones have positive points. Most of them are positive yet some of you act like it's the end of the world. Well to be fair none of them have actually been downright negative. I guess we can't expect a 96 like ME 2 got every single time.
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Post by radaway on Mar 21, 2017 1:20:31 GMT
I hate watching or listening to people saying negative things about an IP I love so much, but this was intelligent, thoughtful, and thoroughly worth my time. Thank you. Thank you for saying so. Likely because I am like you. This hurts.
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 21, 2017 1:24:47 GMT
Huh? DA2 took plenty of risks. Yeah, I should have clarified that. It took creative risks. But in the way of production, I thought it was universally accepted it got rushed out the door. So the same thing: a lack of commitment from the bean counters.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 21, 2017 1:29:07 GMT
Huh? DA2 took plenty of risks. Yeah, I should have clarified that. It took creative risks. But in the way of production, I thought it was universally accepted it got rushed out the door. So the same thing: a lack of commitment from the bean counters. That time was truly EA's fault. They wanted to cash DAO's success. There's no way RPG developers would work on a rpg for practically less then a year, by their own choice.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 21, 2017 1:34:04 GMT
Yeah, I should have clarified that. It took creative risks. But in the way of production, I thought it was universally accepted it got rushed out the door. So the same thing: a lack of commitment from the bean counters. That time was truly EA's fault. They wanted to cash DAO's success. There's no way RPG developers would work on a rpg for practically less then a year, by their own choice. I remember when DA 2 was announced it took me by surprise since DAO was still pretty fresh at the time.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 21, 2017 1:35:58 GMT
That time was truly EA's fault. They wanted to cash DAO's success. There's no way RPG developers would work on a rpg for practically less then a year, by their own choice. I remember when DA 2 was announced it took me by surprise since DAO was still pretty fresh at the time. The game was released at October/November, and DA2 was announced in the next summer. They were probably forced to rush Awakening as well.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 21, 2017 1:37:40 GMT
That review, along with every other negative review, have solid arguments, but in the end, it's still subjective. No matter what they say, there will be people who enjoy this game, even fan of the OT. I cannot stress that enough. Hypothetically speaking, the absolute worst thing you can do is call the people who like it "stupid." That is an unfair, and unwarranted accusation. If you are respectful with your own opinion, please, have the decency as a rational/civil human being, and respect their opinion. You don't gain anything if you treat them poorly. The same goes the other way around. If you have a more positive outlook on the game, the same thing applies.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 21, 2017 1:41:34 GMT
That review, along with every other negative review, have solid arguments, but in the end, it's still subjective. No matter what they say, there will be people who enjoy this game, even fan of the OT. I cannot stress that enough. Hypothetically speaking, the absolute worst thing you can do is call the people who like it "stupid." That is an unfair, and unwarranted accusation. If you are respectful with your own opinion, please, have the decency as a rational/civil human being, and respect their opinion. You don't gain anything if you treat them poorly. The same goes the other way around. If you have a more positive outlook on the game, the same thing applies. That is why I hate the term "biodrone".
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 21, 2017 1:43:50 GMT
That review, along with every other negative review, have solid arguments, but in the end, it's still subjective. No matter what they say, there will be people who enjoy this game, even fan of the OT. I cannot stress that enough. Hypothetically speaking, the absolute worst thing you can do is call the people who like it "stupid." That is an unfair, and unwarranted accusation. If you are respectful with your own opinion, please, have the decency as a rational/civil human being, and respect their opinion. You don't gain anything if you treat them poorly. The same goes the other way around. If you have a more positive outlook on the game, the same thing applies. That is why I hate the term "biodrone". What do you mean?
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 21, 2017 1:47:13 GMT
I have to say, my first hours with Andromeda have been quite pleasant. Sure, I have to pretend it's a different franchise so I'm bothered with the crimes against ME's trilogy lore, but the game itself has been quite good.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 21, 2017 1:53:32 GMT
I have to say, my first hours with Andromeda have been quite pleasant. Sure, I have to pretend it's a different franchise so I'm bothered with the crimes against ME's trilogy lore, but the game itself has been quite good. Did you reach or got over the part that was locked behind early access?
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 21, 2017 1:54:15 GMT
@ kotoreffect3 Oh... I get it I tried to be more civil, and make some sense out of this, and you call me (in other terms) a blind fanboy. Is that the only comeback you have?
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 21, 2017 2:27:20 GMT
I hate watching or listening to people saying negative things about an IP I love so much, but this was intelligent, thoughtful, and thoroughly worth my time. Thank you. Thank you for saying so. Likely because I am like you. This hurts. do you plan on doing a more in depth story spoilers video discussing what does and does not work in Andromeda?
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 21, 2017 2:36:10 GMT
Geralt's facial hair grow. TW3 is great but that facial hair shit just did not work. I remember early on playing Hearts of Stone, in the middle of the scene where he's in the ship as a prisoner, where his facial hair suddenly changed. Geralt had a goatee for several in-game days up until that very scene, and then the camera turns away from him for a moment, turns back, and BOOM--Geralt suddenly has a short, 5 O'clock shadow-ish beard. And oddly enough, the area around his mouth had shorter hair than his original goatee! It's a cute idea, but a silly execution. EDIT: By goatee I mean the van dyke, I guess. The 90s ingrained the wrong word in me.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 21, 2017 2:57:04 GMT
Huh? DA2 took plenty of risks. Yeah, I should have clarified that. It took creative risks. But in the way of production, I thought it was universally accepted it got rushed out the door. So the same thing: a lack of commitment from the bean counters. Although you could also classify a lowball budget as a risk. Can you play in this league at that budget without blowing up the brand? Looks like the answer was "no" in DA2's case. (I liked the short dev cycle, myself --I'd rather have three DA2s than two DAIs.) This came up earlier today, come to think of it. By some estimates ME:A had only half of the TW3 budget. Assuming that's true -- don't ask me, I have no idea where those numbers came from -- then maybe EA's trying the experiment again.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 21, 2017 2:58:22 GMT
@ kotoreffect3 Oh... I get it I tried to be more civil, and make some sense out of this, and you call me (in other terms) a blind fanboy. Is that the only comeback you have? You misinterpreted me big time. I am on the same side as you. I hate being called those things like you do. Apologies for any confusion.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 21, 2017 3:03:48 GMT
@ kotoreffect3 Oh... I get it I tried to be more civil, and make some sense out of this, and you call me (in other terms) a blind fanboy. Is that the only comeback you have? You misinterpreted me big time. I am on the same side as you. I hate being called those things like you do. Apologies for any confusion. Never mind, I'm just exhausted right now.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 21, 2017 3:10:54 GMT
You misinterpreted me big time. I am on the same side as you. I hate being called those things like you do. Apologies for any confusion. Never mind, I'm just exhausted right now. Would you say that your face is tired, at this point?
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Post by warrior on Mar 21, 2017 3:18:29 GMT
I think the TW3 may have raised all bars for me, esp re: facial expressions and side quests. I usually prefer games where I can customize a character -- or at least play as a female character -- but that game really got me and ME:A sounds like it pales, unfortunately. Preliminary thoughts before it launches for me in 45 min:
I wonder if the game is suffering from sequel syndrome. ME2 and 3 aren't really sequels but continuations in a trilogy, one long story. This is a true sequel to a long series and that is very difficult to execute because you have to balance nostalgic features with newness, and if you aren't careful you get a hybrid mess. It's even a sequel in the sense that the original people didn't work on it, which only very rarely works out (like, with Alien and Aliens, two very different movies by very different directors set in the same universe that actually are both extremely good in their own ways and also make sense paired together). But ALSO: people do get nostalgic and that puts you immediately at a disadvantage no matter how well you execute...so it sounds as if they missed the mark in some areas, but people also need to check their biases and expectations.
And as some have pointed out, nostalgia comes with rose-colored glasses. The original games had some really strong storytelling and world-building, but the dialogue itself was not actually very good. It was often cheesy and cliched, as in many action movies, with of course some exceptions (especially when it came to chatting with characters one-on-one). But so many extemporaneous speeches! My expectations are low for this so I doubt it will bother me.
And I get that reviewers need to take bugs into account for the scores, but...to me, it just matters less than most. It's a big game and bound to have glitches and many will be fixed. Yes, it should be ready -- or at least more polished than it seems -- but I get it. It's kind of like when people Yelp review a restaurant that makes amazing food 1-2 stars for bad service, in that it matters and I get why it does but what really matters most to me is how the food tastes. If it tastes amazing, I can overlook a lot.
That said, I am pretty bummed about the GotG/Star Trek tone being suggested. Part of what gave the trilogy dimension despite some of its issues with writing and genre cliches was its darkness/dark themes. Fallout 4 also went lighter in tone and surroundings and I enjoyed it far less than Fallout 3 and NV for that reason. I've seen some people say that it was refreshing after all that darkness, but I worry it's going to feel like a PG movie about togetherness, or something, instead of about the threat of total annihilation, issues of mortality, or about how we define the human being, etc. Like, this game doesn't look as if it has a Jack or even a Cerberus. It doesn't look like characters have serious baggage, for ex. It just looks so bright. I sincerely hope there is some dark depth beneath that service, becuase I get that there are bugs in a game this huge and yes the facial animation is wonky, but I just hope that there is more dimension here to these characters and their stories than it seems.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 21, 2017 3:21:26 GMT
Never mind, I'm just exhausted right now. Would you say that your face is tired, at this point? Oh, piss off with that annoying crap. It's not even funny.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 21, 2017 3:23:32 GMT
Would you say that your face is tired, at this point? Oh, piss off with that annoying crap. It's not even funny. Wow, really? I wasn't picking a fight. You should consider logging off and taking a nap. I'm going to assume a language and/or cultural barrier is at work and move along. Hopefully, we'll have better interactions down the road.
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