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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 21, 2017 3:32:01 GMT
Oh, piss off with that annoying crap. It's not even funny. Wow, really? I wasn't picking a fight. You should consider logging off and taking a nap. I'm going to assume a language and/or cultural barrier is at work and move along. Hopefully, we'll have better interactions down the road. You don't get it. These jokes and memes, from all the kind of haters, who no logical sense, who only want to cause problems, have been spreading like locusts all over the place. They're all IN YOUR FACE with it. You know how many times I've seen tweets and comments that said the same thing you commented? I lost count. Now I think people are doing it because it's popular, and they think they're being clever, but they are not. They have nothing to gain from them.
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Post by brunobyof on Mar 21, 2017 3:33:30 GMT
I came from a time when games weren't evaluated by que quality of it's facial animations, because they didn't even exist! so, when did this change? Now if a game introduces something new, every other game after that will be penalized if they don't implement something better than the other game, even if the other game is from another company?
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 21, 2017 3:35:49 GMT
Wow, really? I wasn't picking a fight. You should consider logging off and taking a nap. I'm going to assume a language and/or cultural barrier is at work and move along. Hopefully, we'll have better interactions down the road. You don't get it. These jokes and memes, from all the kind of haters, who no logical sense, who only want to cause problems, have been spreading like locusts all over the place. They're all IN YOUR FACE with it. You know how many times I've seen tweets and comments that said the same thing you commented? I lost count. Now I think people are doing it because it's popular, and they think they're being clever, but they are not. They have nothing to gain from them.I thought we'd share a wry chuckle. Clearly, I was mistaken. It's not a big deal. We'll discuss something better once we've both played the game and have some cool experiences to share.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Mar 21, 2017 3:38:08 GMT
I came from a time when games weren't evaluated by que quality of it's facial animations, because they didn't even exist! so, when did this change? Now if a game introduces something new, every other game after that will be penalized if they don't implement something better than the other game, even if the other game is from another company? It changed when the generations changed, then the standards became too high, beyond logic. Some are so ridiculous, that even the most insignificant form of nitpicking will make the game automatically crap.
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Post by brunobyof on Mar 21, 2017 3:49:36 GMT
I came from a time when games weren't evaluated by que quality of it's facial animations, because they didn't even exist! so, when did this change? Now if a game introduces something new, every other game after that will be penalized if they don't implement something better than the other game, even if the other game is from another company? It changed when the generations changed, then the standards became too high, beyond logic. Some are so ridiculous, that even the most insignificant form of nitpicking will make the game automatically crap. Yeah, that's what i'm talking about here. I love Withcer 3 and Mass effect 3, and even though they are separated from a few years, they are just as fun to me. I couldn't say that Witcher 3 was more fun to me than the thousand hours i spent playing Mario on SNES for example or even Sonic om Mega drive. Hell, graphics and technical stuff in video games are awesome, but they don't dictate wheter or not the game is good. They can evaluate those things in a review, but at least clarify what are the parameters of the score before giving out a fucking 6.0 to a game that's obviously an epic and memorable game
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Post by jalis on Mar 21, 2017 5:00:50 GMT
I came from a time when games weren't evaluated by que quality of it's facial animations, because they didn't even exist! I came from a time when games were in 320 x 240, ega 16 colors, and now if a company launch a game in such resolution it would be bashed just for that ? What s the fuck this these reviewers who move with time ?
Facial animations seems to be only a problem among many others.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 21, 2017 5:20:08 GMT
Whatever CDOR is, it had not yet made a single game I wanted to try -I am waiting on Cyberpunk-but I loved every BioWare's game save for NWN1 and Inquisition. I also did not try their very first one, the pre-BG1. So, yeah, I am a narrow focused player, and every time I tried to step out of that narrow range, I did not like what I saw. I actually wanted to try out the Zero Dawn, but it's publisher does not just ignore a small issue like cc not having sliders, it outright did not even try to port it on the PC. Bio ported JE back in what? 2004? So, yeah, Bio gets a big consumer loyalty thing going from me. I literally do not see alternatives. As far as I know on the balance, there is no one doing better by me than Bio. Personally, i'm puzzled how a Bioware fan can not at least somewhat appreciate the Witcher series. And seemingly just because you can't craft your own character. In reality, you can define your personality pretty much like in Mass Effect, so in the end, it's just about visuals we can't change. Oh, well, to each their own... I guess it's because CPDR fans don't often respect bioware fans.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 21, 2017 5:47:30 GMT
I came from a time when games weren't evaluated by que quality of it's facial animations, because they didn't even exist! so, when did this change? Now if a game introduces something new, every other game after that will be penalized if they don't implement something better than the other game, even if the other game is from another company? This is a disingenuous argument. BioWare is one of the originators of the cinematic presentation you're discussing. They did it pretty efficiently in an old, clunky engine on tired old gaming consoles throughout the OT. Now, they've produced a lesser result with Fb3 and more powerful tech. That's why reviewers are offering valid criticism. If you've read any of these reviews, you know that the animations are just a small part of why the game is scoring lower than you'd hoped. It has a great many technical issues. It is even frequently being criticized for its character writing and voice acting, which are typically two points we BioWare fans assume will be golden, regardless of all other features. No one in these forums loves Mass Effect any more than I, nor has devoted more time to it and BioWare's other IPs. I have the 70+ completed ME playthroughs to prove that. I love this IP. That strawman preemptively slain, I don't understand this thin-skinned reaction to valid criticism. Where would we be in a world without criticism? All products would be shite. These reviewers are not attacking BioWare. Many of them seem sad, almost morose, about the fact that they're writing such a "disappointed" review of MEA. The problem with the game review industry doesn't seem to be the reviewers or publishers; it seems to be the fans. Publishers are accused of buying higher review scores, but I've often seen fans bitching the most when a game doesn't get the score they wanted it to get. This thread is a perfect example of this. I'll gladly listen to the guy who has actually played the game and compiled a detailed accounting of its strengths and weaknesses. He has valuable insight. Only a fool plugs his ears to opinions that don't tickle his fancy.
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Post by Rico01 on Mar 21, 2017 5:51:50 GMT
I came from a time when games weren't evaluated by que quality of it's facial animations, because they didn't even exist! so, when did this change? Now if a game introduces something new, every other game after that will be penalized if they don't implement something better than the other game, even if the other game is from another company? This is a disingenuous argument. BioWare is one of the originators of the cinematic presentation you're discussing. They did it pretty efficiently in an old, clunky engine on tired old gaming consoles throughout the OT. Now, they've produced a lesser result with Fb3 and more powerful tech. That's why reviewers are offering valid criticism. If you've read any of these reviews, you know that the animations are just a small part of why the game is scoring lower than you'd hoped. It has a great many technical issues. It is even frequently being criticized for its character writing and voice acting, which are typically two points we BioWare fans assume will be golden, regardless of all other features. No one in these forums loves Mass Effect any more than I, nor has devoted more time to it and BioWare's other IPs. I have the 70+ completed ME playthroughs to prove that. I love this IP. That strawman preemptively slain, I don't understand this thin-skinned reaction to valid criticism. Where would we be in a world without criticism? All products would be shite. These reviewers are not attacking BioWare. Many of them seem sad, almost morose, about the fact that they're writing such a "disappointed" review of MEA. The problem with the game review industry doesn't seem to be the reviewers or publishers; it seems to be the fans. Publishers are accused of buying higher review scores, but I've often seen fans bitching the most when a game doesn't get the score they wanted it to get. This thread is a perfect example of this. I'll gladly listen to the guy who has actually played the game and compiled a detailed accounting of its strengths and weaknesses. He has valuable insight. Only a fool plugs his ears to opinions that don't tickle his fancy. The problem is that it goes both ways. I've read a review giving the game a 9.5 score. Is that review wrong because you don't like certain aspects of the game? Commentators of that review naturally started to question it saying it was paid and that the reviewer was gay. In my not at all humble opinion, neither side in this debate has the moral high ground.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 21, 2017 6:09:57 GMT
This is a disingenuous argument. BioWare is one of the originators of the cinematic presentation you're discussing. They did it pretty efficiently in an old, clunky engine on tired old gaming consoles throughout the OT. Now, they've produced a lesser result with Fb3 and more powerful tech. That's why reviewers are offering valid criticism. If you've read any of these reviews, you know that the animations are just a small part of why the game is scoring lower than you'd hoped. It has a great many technical issues. It is even frequently being criticized for its character writing and voice acting, which are typically two points we BioWare fans assume will be golden, regardless of all other features. No one in these forums loves Mass Effect any more than I, nor has devoted more time to it and BioWare's other IPs. I have the 70+ completed ME playthroughs to prove that. I love this IP. That strawman preemptively slain, I don't understand this thin-skinned reaction to valid criticism. Where would we be in a world without criticism? All products would be shite. These reviewers are not attacking BioWare. Many of them seem sad, almost morose, about the fact that they're writing such a "disappointed" review of MEA. The problem with the game review industry doesn't seem to be the reviewers or publishers; it seems to be the fans. Publishers are accused of buying higher review scores, but I've often seen fans bitching the most when a game doesn't get the score they wanted it to get. This thread is a perfect example of this. I'll gladly listen to the guy who has actually played the game and compiled a detailed accounting of its strengths and weaknesses. He has valuable insight. Only a fool plugs his ears to opinions that don't tickle his fancy. The problem is that it goes both ways. I've read a review giving the game a 9.5 score. Is that review wrong because you don't like certain aspects of the game? The review, as in the written content, was worth a read. I don't feel Steve Wright's review score matched his review text. He cited serious technical glitches, including one that required a shutdown/reboot, yet said, "none of that matters". Okay, Steve. It doesn't matter for you, I guess. The thing you don't see me doing is getting upset about Steve's judgment that MEA deserves a 9.5, technical issues and all. Some here, in contrast, seem so deeply and personally wounded by these 6 and 7 scores that it's ruined their day. Some perspective is needed. Criticism from a professional critic is not a personal attack. Likewise, Steve Wright and I could probably laugh about our differences in opinion concerning the review score, and then get to the fun part of discussing the game itself. Those getting upset are completely losing sight of the fun. No one here is paid to get ulcers over review scores. That's BioWare's job.
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Post by qwib on Mar 21, 2017 6:14:11 GMT
Whatever CDOR is, it had not yet made a single game I wanted to try -I am waiting on Cyberpunk-but I loved every BioWare's game save for NWN1 and Inquisition. I also did not try their very first one, the pre-BG1. So, yeah, I am a narrow focused player, and every time I tried to step out of that narrow range, I did not like what I saw. I actually wanted to try out the Zero Dawn, but it's publisher does not just ignore a small issue like cc not having sliders, it outright did not even try to port it on the PC. Bio ported JE back in what? 2004? So, yeah, Bio gets a big consumer loyalty thing going from me. I literally do not see alternatives. As far as I know on the balance, there is no one doing better by me than Bio. Personally, i'm puzzled how a Bioware fan can not at least somewhat appreciate the Witcher series. And seemingly just because you can't craft your own character. In reality, you can define your personality pretty much like in Mass Effect, so in the end, it's just about visuals we can't change. Oh, well, to each their own... Maybe because I played Witcher 2. Pre-Ordered it and there was basically NO Act 3 for me you can by "accident, by not knowing the game" walk right into the ending of Witcher 2 lmao. There was NO ENDING to this game that was satisfying, they promised 16 different endings. Where were the 16 different endings? The crafting is useless, why is it even in that game? You had one character that you can't change. There was no different haircuts. They completely ignore that you maybe liked Shawni more in Witcher 1 and you are canonly in love suddenly with Triss. The Boss-Fights were glitched, I didn't even know that Letho had some kind of skills. The Dragon just ate my sword without doing anything. I payed the full price for a game that was finished in the Extended Edition. Every gamers dream! The game is great okay. I do understand why Witcher 2 got the rating that it got. But at that moment I also knew that Bioware would never get a fair rating again. And I was right. 6/10 rating for ME:A? Even the biggest CD-Projekt fan has to realize at some point that something very weird is going on here.
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Post by Rico01 on Mar 21, 2017 6:55:38 GMT
The problem is that it goes both ways. I've read a review giving the game a 9.5 score. Is that review wrong because you don't like certain aspects of the game? The review, as in the written content, was worth a read. I don't feel Steve Wright's review score matched his review text. He cited serious technical glitches, including one that required a shutdown/reboot, yet said, "none of that matters". Okay, Steve. It doesn't matter for you, I guess. The thing you don't see me doing is getting upset about Steve's judgment that MEA deserves a 9.5, technical issues and all. Some here, in contrast, seem so deeply and personally wounded by these 6 and 7 scores that it's ruined their day. Some perspective is needed. Criticism from a professional critic is not a personal attack. Likewise, Steve Wright and I could probably laugh about our differences in opinion concerning the review score, and then get to the fun part of discussing the game itself. Those getting upset are completely losing sight of the fun. No one here is paid to get ulcers over review scores. That's BioWare's job. I've called out certain posters who have particularly thin skin myself. That's not what I'm talking about though. You wrote: Only a fool plugs his ears to opinions that don't tickle his fancy. I pointed out that that exact sentiment should go both ways. Should people who think this game is crap disregard the review that scored it 9.5? Judging by your comments, no, they should not. Because the reviewer has played the game and has important insights. They should love the game because the reviewer does! I don't think a person who dislike the premise of this game or whatever their reason for it has any obligation to take into account a reviewer's opinion that it is a great game, but the same goes for people who like the game, they don't have to listen to a reviewer who scored it a 6 or whatever. They don't have to be a fool just because they don't feel the same as that reviewer. Personally, I like the game regardless of the technical issues. No reviewer can make me feel any different. Am I a fool? Maybe. But a very happy one in that case.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 21, 2017 7:22:37 GMT
I've completed the prologue, and on the animation side, it's definitely flawed but not the total gamebreaking shitshow that the internet might give the impression of. Aside from that, I really love the combat and I'm growing increasingly fond of the whole setup. I get the feeling that I'll give even less of a shit what other people think by the time I get to the end of this.
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Post by Eterna on Mar 21, 2017 7:37:38 GMT
And of course people in the user reviews are dishing out the 0/10s.
Stay classy.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 21, 2017 7:40:22 GMT
Personally, i'm puzzled how a Bioware fan can not at least somewhat appreciate the Witcher series. And seemingly just because you can't craft your own character. In reality, you can define your personality pretty much like in Mass Effect, so in the end, it's just about visuals we can't change. Oh, well, to each their own... Maybe because I played Witcher 2. Pre-Ordered it and there was basically NO Act 3 for me you can by "accident, by not knowing the game" walk right into the ending of Witcher 2 lmao. There was NO ENDING to this game that was satisfying, they promised 16 different endings. Where were the 16 different endings? The crafting is useless, why is it even in that game? You had one character that you can't change. There was no different haircuts. They completely ignore that you maybe liked Shawni more in Witcher 1 and you are canonly in love suddenly with Triss. The Boss-Fights were glitched, I didn't even know that Letho had some kind of skills. The Dragon just ate my sword without doing anything. I payed the full price for a game that was finished in the Extended Edition. Every gamers dream! The game is great okay. I do understand why Witcher 2 got the rating that it got. But at that moment I also knew that Bioware would never get a fair rating again. And I was right. 6/10 rating for ME:A? Even the biggest CD-Projekt fan has to realize at some point that something very weird is going on here. There's nothing weird going on... It's a big, open (dead) world, with beautiful vistas, fun combat, mediocre writing/story, horrible side quests, and more bugs than any AAA game with a budget this big that I can remember. Also, times change. The Witcher 2 came out in 2011. When it came out, there was nothing like it. It deserved the scores it got. If Andromeda came out in 2011, it'd probably get 9's across the board as well, but it's 2017. 7.5 is generous compared to its competition.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 8:11:17 GMT
Wow, really? I wasn't picking a fight. You should consider logging off and taking a nap. I'm going to assume a language and/or cultural barrier is at work and move along. Hopefully, we'll have better interactions down the road. You don't get it. These jokes and memes, from all the kind of haters, who no logical sense, who only want to cause problems, have been spreading like locusts all over the place. They're all IN YOUR FACE with it. You know how many times I've seen tweets and comments that said the same thing you commented? I lost count. Now I think people are doing it because it's popular, and they think they're being clever, but they are not. They have nothing to gain from them. People do it because the memes are funny, at least to them. It doesn't even necessarily mean they hate the game. Mass Effect 2 is the most popular game, and that had no shortage of memes either. Harbinger, Jacob's romance content, and Shepard's badly animated smile were all subjected to mockery, even by people who loved the game. In short, relax. Unless you're a Bioware employee there is no reason to take it so personal. Even if you are a Bioware employee you probably shouldn't. Most of it is in good fun and isn't intended to be mean-spirited.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 8:32:10 GMT
when a company cannot accept constructive criticism from its own customer base without throwing out hissy fit strops and denials (such as Bioware did with ME3) then it's on the slippery slope to oblivion. The reaction of the fanbase to MEA (even though it may not be the worst game anyone has ever played) might seem a bit over the top, but it should be taken as constructive criticism and not just nerdrage.
Don't forget Employees have been leaving Bioware like rats off a sinking ship. Why do you think that is?
Remind me how many years Bioware has had to get this game finished? I don't think Bioware will last much longer tbh. It used to make great games, now all it does is come up with excuses.
They need to go back to what they do best. I think they have forgotten. Also get rid of Mac the Hack. His writing skills are as consistant as my arse.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 21, 2017 8:43:19 GMT
Geralt's facial hair grow. TW3 is great but that facial hair shit just did not work. I remember early on playing Hearts of Stone, in the middle of the scene where he's in the ship as a prisoner, where his facial hair suddenly changed. Geralt had a goatee for several in-game days up until that very scene, and then the camera turns away from him for a moment, turns back, and BOOM--Geralt suddenly has a short, 5 O'clock shadow-ish beard. And oddly enough, the area around his mouth had shorter hair than his original goatee! It's a cute idea, but a silly execution. EDIT: By goatee I mean the van dyke, I guess. The 90s ingrained the wrong word in me. yes the plastic props hair in andromeda and the MS paint beards are better.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 21, 2017 8:43:58 GMT
Based on the witcher series it should. I do not want to get into how many details and effort witcher 3 has.... Roach searches and drinks water when left alone. Geralt's facial hair grow. ALL sidequests are great. The expansion s BETTER than the main game. Animations are ALL NOT recycled and there is quite the variety Faces are SUPERB. Facial animations actually show the CORRECT emotion. Insane amount of quality content with the FEW occasional fetch quests ofcourse. Respect to customers. CONSTANT FIXING AND VARIOUS TWEAKS FOR THE BETTER. NO SIGNIFICANT OR GAMEBREAKING BUGS AT LAUNCH SO yeah i can dickride them all day long . I even enjoy it P.S i am by no means a CDPR fanboy but a bioware one, albeit not a blind fanboy To the point where the constant praise becomes annoying? check above in the quoted who brought up CDPR into the discussion please. it was not me. i just responded
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Post by mordrek on Mar 21, 2017 8:49:01 GMT
Been playing it for awhile now, and I'm huge ME fan. Played all the originals more than once. The writing in ME:A is very subpar, and that's being nice.
Stuff like I linked below, is not acceptable, it's a 20 second breakout of a romance dialogue. It's tragic, and sad that this kind of stuff made it in the game the way it did. Serious problems in Animation, writing, and VO... it's just unacceptable.
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Post by Eterna on Mar 21, 2017 8:56:45 GMT
Been playing it for awhile now, and I'm huge ME fan. Played all the originals more than once. The writing in ME:A is very subpar, and that's being nice. Stuff like I linked below, is not acceptable, it's a 20 second breakout of a romance dialogue. It's tragic, and sad that this kind of stuff made it in the game the way it did. Serious problems in Animation, writing, and VO... it's just unacceptable. Are you.... aware that was supposed to be uncomfy and awkward?
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 21, 2017 8:59:06 GMT
Based on the witcher series it should. Which wasn't anything that SPECIAL but go on, really, opinions and all that. Coming from a fanboy of neither. Enjoy it though. The level of polish in tw3 is not to be argued about. And we should stop about tw3 , its a bioware forum here
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 21, 2017 9:01:21 GMT
Been playing it for awhile now, and I'm huge ME fan. Played all the originals more than once. The writing in ME:A is very subpar, and that's being nice. Stuff like I linked below, is not acceptable, it's a 20 second breakout of a romance dialogue. It's tragic, and sad that this kind of stuff made it in the game the way it did. Serious problems in Animation, writing, and VO... it's just unacceptable. Are you.... aware that was supposed to be uncomfy and awkward? τThat wscene was fynny imo. its a good, scene. give credit where its due
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 9:01:54 GMT
Been playing it for awhile now, and I'm huge ME fan. Played all the originals more than once. The writing in ME:A is very subpar, and that's being nice. Stuff like I linked below, is not acceptable, it's a 20 second breakout of a romance dialogue. It's tragic, and sad that this kind of stuff made it in the game the way it did. Serious problems in Animation, writing, and VO... it's just unacceptable. Are you.... aware that was supposed to be uncomfy and awkward? It isn't a well written scene regardless of the intent. The dialogue is stilted and painful, rather than endearing.
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Post by xan84 on Mar 21, 2017 9:04:59 GMT
I came from a time when games weren't evaluated by que quality of it's facial animations, because they didn't even exist! so, when did this change? Now if a game introduces something new, every other game after that will be penalized if they don't implement something better than the other game, even if the other game is from another company? No idea if I qualify to be in your generation or not (33 years old here) but the point is this. A game 10 years old from the same company, from the same universe did many things better then ME A and I am referring here to ME 1. Certain things are now the standard, the norm. When you buy a TV now you expect it to be in color, a bunch of years back you had black and white but I am sure that if you both a TV now and it would be B&W you would take it back and be pissed as hell. Also, considering this is an industry where this people are in a competition with one another having the same standards or better should be a main focus for BW. If you are as old as you say you should now how business works. At the company I work we are constantly trying to have better services then our competition and when clients compare us to other companies in the same field of work we don't blame the client for not living up to those standards. But hell, you want to blame the customer for not being pleased with a product BW is offering? Like really? If you like it then good for you. I am very upset with what BW is today... Still both the game but meh...
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