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Post by kino on Mar 20, 2017 19:29:00 GMT
I doubt it. I suspect it'll do well internationally but those who have a beef with BioWare about ME3 will make the most noise. In the end, though, what will count more than the noise is the sales receipts.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 19:29:09 GMT
Man I hope not. This universe with all its races and lore is way too interesting to put to bed. As long as it's core base stays intact the IP should be fine. And as much as I hate to give MP trolls any ammo there is no denying how successful the ME3 multiplayer was. This game can still be profitable. If the game is profitable the IP won't be shelved.
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Post by Garo on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:31 GMT
They won't stop with ME because EA loves money too much.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 20, 2017 19:34:09 GMT
which is unfortunate since the more i read the more I'm convinced these impressions are ridiculous and unfair. Some are deliberate trolls and some might be a hunting expedition. I believe the proper term is fishing expedition Very true though. If not facial animations it would have been something else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:34:10 GMT
If it makes more money than it's cost there will be a sequel that's how EA works
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Post by q5tyhj on Mar 20, 2017 19:39:14 GMT
Lol, so many silly threads
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2017 19:40:26 GMT
I grant you that, sure. But my point is that there is a difference between saying the game doesn't meet current day standards, vs the game doesn't meet the current series standards. What I am curious is which is the real problem. Probably a mixture of both. I mean, some of the things I have seen so far are really cringe worthy, even if I haven't played the game yet. The game also seems buggy to a level that reminds me of DA2. There's also some questionable writing, and some very strange design decisions. They also seem to have ignored the feedback on DA:I at least to a degree. Well I got my copy downloading as we speak, so we shall see if that really is the case. That question though is in the back of my mind. Is it up to a fair standard is still worth asking in that way, and does the game actually have an identity onto it's own. That might make a difference here.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 20, 2017 19:41:06 GMT
If it is, which I doubt. I hope we at least get a remaster of the original trilogy. Also starting to think I may give multiplayer a shot.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2017 19:47:11 GMT
Well I got my copy downloading as we speak, so we shall see if that really is the case. That question though is in the back of my mind. Is it up to a fair standard is still worth asking in that way, and does the game actually have an identity onto it's own. That might make a difference here. We are getting slightly philosophical here... I'd say that even humans define their "identity" just as much around what they are *not*, in comparison to others, as around what they *are*. But yeah, we will all reach our own conclusions, at least those of us still intending to buy and play the game. Let's be honest, most of us are going to buy it anyway. We wouldn't be having much of a discussion if we didn't .
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Post by adrynbliss on Mar 20, 2017 19:54:41 GMT
1 terrible..25 bad..50 average..75 great..100 fantastic
gets great pretty much across the board, at the very least above average *cue internet* 'TIS THE DEATHKNELL OF OUR BELOVED!!'
i've got to spend less time on the internet, it's just batshit crazy, every single thing is over blown to proportions that would be comedic if it was just so stupid.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 20, 2017 20:08:51 GMT
Nah, EA will push a ME battlefield with frostbite 4.0 from DICE, problem solved.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Mar 20, 2017 20:27:48 GMT
I think a lot has to do with expectations.
People didn't expect Horizon zero dawn to be all that amazing. It released visually impressive - yet a good 90% of reviews on meta critic all agree that while it looks beautifully amazing, the mechanics were nothing new and straight out of franchises like Tomb Raider and Far Cry, (which are also NOT rpgs) and the story was very sparse and the characters needed work, the open world was quite empty. Essentially it looked beautiful but the gameplay and story was lacking. That is a universal fact repeated in every review I read. Yet it scores 90s and 100s. For a beautiful action game, lacking in gameplay and story, with zero character customisation, far less dialogue, etc.
Then we have Andromeda. People for some reason expected perfection. So we get reviews pretty much all of them agreeing the combat is really fun, the best in the series, and the environments are stunning, the best in the series, just it has bugs (that will be patched, already a PC patch has hit) and the facial animations are lacking. So we have a huge RPG with its gameplay and story are considered universally good but it is scoring 60s and 70s.
I honestly believe it has been scored overly harshly based partly on people comparing it to a completely different kind of game, partly because of the original ME trilogy, and partly based on the silly facial animations fiasco.
I played the trial, I loved it, and on my life I have no idea how anyone can honestly and fairly rate it a 6/10 for example.
I hope to see DLC and I hope to get the chance to jump into the Mass Effect universe another time.
All these harsh overwhelming criticisms only hurt the games we claim to love, kill the studios that make them, and then we all lose out. It's a shame.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 20, 2017 20:35:28 GMT
Nah, EA will push a ME battlefield with frostbite 4.0 from DICE, problem solved. That's not a bad idea.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 20, 2017 20:36:45 GMT
I think a lot has to do with expectations. People didn't expect Horizon zero dawn to be all that amazing. It released visually impressive - yet a good 90% of reviews on meta critic all agree that while it looks beautifully amazing, the mechanics were nothing new and straight out of franchises like Tomb Raider and Far Cry, (which are also NOT rpgs) and the story was very sparse and the characters needed work, the open world was quite empty. Essentially it looked beautiful but the gameplay and story was lacking. That is a universal fact repeated in every review I read. Yet it scores 90s and 100s. For a beautiful action game, lacking in gameplay and story, with zero character customisation, far less dialogue, etc. Then we have Andromeda. People for some reason expected perfection. So we get reviews pretty much all of them agreeing the combat is really fun, the best in the series, and the environments are stunning, the best in the series, just it has bugs (that will be patched, already a PC patch has hit) and the facial animations are lacking. So we have a huge RPG with its gameplay and story are considered universally good but it is scoring 60s and 70s. I honestly believe it has been scored overly harshly based partly on people comparing it to a completely different kind of game, partly because of the original ME trilogy, and partly based on the silly facial animations fiasco. I played the trial, I loved it, and on my life I have no idea how anyone can honestly and fairly rate it a 6/10 for example. I hope to see DLC and I hope to get the chance to jump into the Mass Effect universe another time. All these harsh overwhelming criticisms only hurt the games we claim to love, kill the studios that make them, and then we all lose out. It's a shame. Why should I care if Bioware succeeds or fails when they hit a homerun at failing with three different games now?
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Post by fulcrum290 on Mar 20, 2017 20:41:06 GMT
Nah, EA will push a ME battlefield with frostbite 4.0 from DICE, problem solved. That's not a bad idea. Full MP experience, still better then a Mass Effect SP game. Those fools should have realize now, Biower can't do shit like dialogue, character, storytelling, animation anymore. Just do a spin-off and release MP only for half the price
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 20, 2017 20:43:15 GMT
Why should I care if Bioware succeeds or fails when they hit a homerun at failing with three different games now? Who are you kidding dutchie - of course you care. You wouldn't be spending so much time on a forum dedicated to a studio you hate so much if you didn't care and you wouldn't make it it your lifelong mission to see failure in everything they do, including their successes, lol.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Mar 20, 2017 20:47:10 GMT
Bioware make great games. I've played almost all of them, all the way back from Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter, Jade Empire, KOTOR, Dragon Age, to Mass Effect - in my opinion they have never made a bad one and Andromeda is another great game that I played 10 amazing hours of so far and I'm going to spend 100s more exploring and enjoying the gameplay and the story and the universe.
To have a great game developer destroyed through hate filled "fans" blowing up small criticisms out of proportion would be a travesty to the entire gaming community, because of the wealth of amazing games it would prevent from being made in the future.
With Andromeda, Bioware made another great game in a long history of truly great games. I wish them every success now, and in the future - because their success = more great games for gamers to enjoy playing!
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Post by II So Close II on Mar 20, 2017 20:54:29 GMT
The whole judging the game by how it holds up to different kinds of games argument doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. The fact is that expectations are high because of the brilliance of the ME trilogy. It has become a benchmark franchise. If anything, it's a rod Bioware has created for its own back, but in a way a good problem to have.
Now, with all the issues surrounding the game (and my personal experience from 10 hours of gameplay), the overall feeling is that it has been rushed. There are things in the game that are unacceptably bad regardless of how "harshly" you judge them. The CC is a mess, writing is subpar, the conversation animations would have been a negative talking point 15 years ago and the fact that you can't quick save in an open world game is mind boggling. Yes, expectations are very high (as they should be!), but these issues have nothing to do with them. The expectations in these regards would have been the same for any AAA game. You don't expect basic, entry-level problems. That's it.
As for the game being the last of its kind or series, well, we'll see. I haven't seen the sales figures, but would assume they're at least going to be decent. However, this is a vocal community. If the game isn't up to snuff - and it's way too early to tell - Bioware will hear it. They can either let the game kill the franchise dead, ending it on a very sour note, or they can make sure that they do what they can to improve it and that when MEA2 is eventually released, it makes up for everything wrong with the first one and then some. Given the success of the trilogy, I know what I'd do.
Either way, I think it's only fair that the community expects a lot more than "that'll do".
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 20, 2017 20:54:42 GMT
Oh my god, OP, why do you have such a weak nerve? For fuck's sake, just play the game and see how you like it instead of having a meltdown over other's people opinions. We get it, you're terrified. You did countless threads about it already. Despite how excited you were. I do think these reviews are low for a ME game, regardless - 75 ain't a bad score, if it stays that way, even then, I think I will love this game. But I need to complete this shit first before pulling the trigger, and so far - it's a blast. So, hell fuckin' yes - try to control yourself. If you can't deal with the reviews, stay away from places that are talking about them. It's just that, reviews. You might disagree with them, or not. This game's fate lies with its sales, and it will probably do well, it's Mass Effect, unless there's another twist in this story, but that's something we have to wait and see. And meanwhile, I will be playing it, thankful for a new ME game when it wasn't needed in the bigger picture, but here it is. PREACH BROTHER!
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Post by squidney2k1 on Mar 20, 2017 21:18:02 GMT
I doubt it.
DA:I, for all of it's gripes, still was a commercial success and even notched a few notable GOTY nods and wins. This is a business and monetary success is success. I can't see anything so far that will hamper this game's sales below that of DA:I. The sheer number of trolls/fans, streamers, pre-orders, and media outlets covering this game is already an indication that this game will sell a lot of copies. The only question that remains is does it need to sell Call of Duty/GTA numbers in order to make a profit for EA?....and I'm betting that answer is a resounding "nope."
Mass Effect is a huge franchise with a huge fanbase. Bioware's fanbase is even bigger. Hell, even their "Average" games like DA:I & DA2 still sell a ton and are critical & commercial successes. I guess when you're Bioware, the expectation is to deliver nothing but 9.5+ games, because when you deliver an 8 like DA:I people freak out....while they play it for dozens of hrs and Bioware collects awards. Go figure.
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Post by jastall on Mar 20, 2017 21:36:21 GMT
Nah, EA will push a ME battlefield with frostbite 4.0 from DICE, problem solved. I'd take a Battlefield: Mass Effect spinoff myself. Lots of potential there, and the combat in Andromeda is already solid enough to support it. As for the OP, I doubt it. Bioware survived DA2, it will survive this. EA isn't axing studios over one game anymore, else DICE would have fallen prey to its jaws after Hardline.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 20, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
Nah, EA will push a ME battlefield with frostbite 4.0 from DICE, problem solved. I'd take a Battlefield: Mass Effect spinoff myself. Lots of potential there, and the combat in Andromeda is already solid enough to support it. As for the OP, I doubt it. Bioware survived DA2, it will survive this. EA isn't axing studios over one game anymore, else DICE would have fallen prey to its jaws after Hardline. It is not the first time EA do that. Look at Dead Space 3, Plant and Zombie Garden Warfare etc. And more importantly, compare to the marginal market share of RPG, Shooter would not fail easily. A 7.5 Metacritic for RPG is basically death penalty but a decent score for shooter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 21:46:20 GMT
John Dombrow - you who wrote Tuchanka, ME3 Garrus, and the Citadel DLC - you were the co-lead writer on this?
You were the chosen one!!!!!1 It was said that you would destroy what Mac Walters did to Mass Effect, not join him!
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Post by n7rhysj on Mar 20, 2017 22:11:52 GMT
Nah, EA will push a ME battlefield with frostbite 4.0 from DICE, problem solved. I'd take a Battlefield: Mass Effect spinoff myself. Lots of potential there, and the combat in Andromeda is already solid enough to support it. As for the OP, I doubt it. Bioware survived DA2, it will survive this. EA isn't axing studios over one game anymore, else DICE would have fallen prey to its jaws after Hardline. Ironic that visceral games who made deadspace made hardline
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Post by aionis on Mar 20, 2017 22:13:25 GMT
All the haters said DA:I would bomb and it didn't, they still say it did because EA doesn't release sales figures so we only know it's place in charts for physical console versions and that EA said it was their best release or something. Anyway we don't know how this will do. Let's wait and see. Exactly.
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