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Post by Hrungr on Jul 20, 2017 18:07:41 GMT
David @adhill082 While I am not hating - What is all this DAI resurgence I have seen this past two weeks?
Blair Brown @thefiddzz I just love my DA people 🤗
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 20, 2017 18:08:57 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes 'Sup Bramblefae AutumnbornCrone You lot make me feel deeply suspicious today. Blair Brown @thefiddzzWe make bioware games, you should always be suspicious 😂 Faerie Dragon @faerie_DragonIs this a good time to advocate for Inquisitors who want to help Solas? 'Cause I'm always happy to do that. 😄 Cori Nicole @genevraelThat's me, all day, every day. Iron Bull: Hey, Varric, I was reading your stuff. Where do your bad guys come from? Varric: Well, some of them come from Tevinter and some are Ben-Hassrath spies, but I like the story where the villain was the man beside you the whole time. The best villains don't see themselves as evil. They're fighting for a good cause and willing to get their hands dirty.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 20, 2017 18:16:01 GMT
Yup. Melra _f_lem Hey buds, help a girl out. Please reply, give me something about yourself that you love or something you did today that you are proud of. ❤️ Cori Nicole @genevraelI swam 1.5 km this morning, and now I'm getting to actually edit scenes and it's the absolute best part of my job so I am happy. EDIT: From later tweets, it sounds like Cori was editing scenes for Anthem, not DA.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 20, 2017 18:35:57 GMT
Yup. Melra _f_lem Hey buds, help a girl out. Please reply, give me something about yourself that you love or something you did today that you are proud of. ❤️ Cori Nicole @genevraelI swam 1.5 km this morning, and now I'm getting to actually edit scenes and it's the absolute best part of my job so I am happy. Confirmed! DA4 has scenes
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Post by themikefest on Jul 20, 2017 18:53:16 GMT
Yup. Melra _f_lem Hey buds, help a girl out. Please reply, give me something about yourself that you love or something you did today that you are proud of. ❤️ Cori Nicole @genevraelI swam 1.5 km this morning, and now I'm getting to actually edit scenes and it's the absolute best part of my job so I am happy. You mentioned you were swimming and then editing scenes. Is it possible there will be a scene involving swimming?
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Yup. Melra _f_lem Hey buds, help a girl out. Please reply, give me something about yourself that you love or something you did today that you are proud of. ❤️ Cori Nicole @genevraelI swam 1.5 km this morning, and now I'm getting to actually edit scenes and it's the absolute best part of my job so I am happy. Confirmed! DA4 has scenes Maybe it will have NPCs and dialogue too!
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Post by tacsear on Jul 20, 2017 20:18:58 GMT
Confirmed! DA4 has scenes Maybe it will have NPCs and dialogue too! That's a bold prediction
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Mike Laidlaw @ SDCC @mike_Laidlaw Made it. Ging to hang around the BioWare part of Dark Horse for an hour of anyone wants to say hi!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jul 20, 2017 23:11:08 GMT
O_O! I never thought to use it in combat. That is one uber kitty. Yup. May I also add here that Ser Pounce-a-lot's Heroes of Dragon Age version is the best? Just look at him. I bet he ran away from whoever Anders left him with and went to fight crime on his own.He's now the Red Jenny of Antiva City. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes 'Sup Bramblefae AutumnbornCrone You lot make me feel deeply suspicious today. Blair Brown @thefiddzzWe make bioware games, you should always be suspicious 😂 Faerie Dragon @faerie_DragonIs this a good time to advocate for Inquisitors who want to help Solas? 'Cause I'm always happy to do that. 😄 Cori Nicole @genevraelThat's me, all day, every day. Iron Bull: Hey, Varric, I was reading your stuff. Where do your bad guys come from? Varric: Well, some of them come from Tevinter and some are Ben-Hassrath spies, but I like the story where the villain was the man beside you the whole time. The best villains don't see themselves as evil. They're fighting for a good cause and willing to get their hands dirty. Speaking as a Solavellan fan, hopefully Varric's "cheesy" tendencies when writing romances prove just as prophetic...
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Post by thats1evildude on Jul 20, 2017 23:41:12 GMT
On cat-related topics, might I note that Kitty was just added to the line-up for Heroes of Dragon Age?
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Post by Rascoth on Jul 20, 2017 23:50:08 GMT
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 21, 2017 1:23:18 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWhen your sensitivity reader calls out something bad you did, appropriate response is, "Oops, didn't know that," and then you make a change. (This tweet was in regards to a book he's writing - Hrungr) Austin Dixon @adixonianI think this explains a lot. Is this really a thing?! Sensitivity reader, I can't even. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Austin, wanting to get a gut check from an expert when writing about other cultures or ways of life IS really a thing. Sorry you can't even! Also, general note: having a sensitivity reader doesn't mean you give up creative freedom. It means you can make informed choices. Sometimes unfucking something I fucked up is a simple word choice that means NADA to me. Super easy way to make something more readers like! Sometime's it's trickier or more complex, as changing something messes something else up. Then you pick your poison. What can you live with? But what's important is: having a sensitivity reader lets me make INFORMED edits. I KNOW whether I'm making choices that'll hurt people. That doesn't mean I never will. They're still choices. But knowledge is, by and large, better than ignorance. Holly King @smokesinbedI think this is a bad way to use such input. Ex: Cutting scene from DA => women said it was rapey. Priority should be story, not feelings. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes It sounds like you disapprove of listening to expert feedback because you heard we once changed something. Hoping I've misunderstood you. Holly King @smokesinbedIf you write about a sensitive subject and it affects the audience, and then your response is to undo your work, that is tragic. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes If you write about a sensitive subject, and it affects the audience IN A WAY YOU DIDN'T INTEND AND DON'T LIKE, response is TO CHANGE IT. Simon @simonjadis @patrickweekes Have you seen this yet? It's pretty heavy but, um, good job with Bull and Cole. dragonageconfessions.tumblr.com/post/163224347858/confession-my-big-brother-is-a-special-forces Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWow. That's heavy, and I hope I didn't hurt that dude. (I wrote Bull not as having super-PTSD, but a definite post-military hypervigilance.) Heather @revera_LavellanSomehow, whenever people hear you changed stuff they always assume the original was SUPER GOOD! And the damn SJWs forced you to RUIN ART! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI wasn't sure I should say this, but it needs to be said: all y'all need to really understand that my first drafts are often SUPER SHITTY. It is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE to rewrite/revise something to death, filing down all the coolness until only mediocrity remains. BUT! What I see about A ZILLION TIMES AS OFTEN is something that would've benefited from an edit. Edits, revisions, iteration: THEY GOOD. Susan Arendt @susanarendt Something I ask my writers is "Is X the fight you want to have with readers?If it is, ok, but if it isn't, change this wording." Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesFor work-writing, it's, "Am I prepared to justify this choice to a roomful of fans, many of whom are recording me as I answer?"
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 21, 2017 1:28:33 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWhen your sensitivity reader calls out something bad you did, appropriate response is, "Oops, didn't know that," and then you make a change. (This tweet was in regards to a book he's writing - Hrungr) Austin Dixon @adixonianI think this explains a lot. Is this really a thing?! Sensitivity reader, I can't even. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Austin, wanting to get a gut check from an expert when writing about other cultures or ways of life IS really a thing. Sorry you can't even! Also, general note: having a sensitivity reader doesn't mean you give up creative freedom. It means you can make informed choices. Sometimes unfucking something I fucked up is a simple word choice that means NADA to me. Super easy way to make something more readers like! Sometime's it's trickier or more complex, as changing something messes something else up. Then you pick your poison. What can you live with? But what's important is: having a sensitivity reader lets me make INFORMED edits. I KNOW whether I'm making choices that'll hurt people. That doesn't mean I never will. They're still choices. But knowledge is, by and large, better than ignorance. Holly King @smokesinbedI think this is a bad way to use such input. Ex: Cutting scene from DA => women said it was rapey. Priority should be story, not feelings. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes It sounds like you disapprove of listening to expert feedback because you heard we once changed something. Hoping I've misunderstood you. Holly King @smokesinbedIf you write about a sensitive subject and it affects the audience, and then your response is to undo your work, that is tragic. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes If you write about a sensitive subject, and it affects the audience IN A WAY YOU DIDN'T INTEND AND DON'T LIKE, response is TO CHANGE IT. Simon @simonjadis @patrickweekes Have you seen this yet? It's pretty heavy but, um, good job with Bull and Cole. dragonageconfessions.tumblr.com/post/163224347858/confession-my-big-brother-is-a-special-forces Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesWow. That's heavy, and I hope I didn't hurt that dude. (I wrote Bull not as having super-PTSD, but a definite post-military hypervigilance.) Heather @revera_LavellanSomehow, whenever people hear you changed stuff they always assume the original was SUPER GOOD! And the damn SJWs forced you to RUIN ART! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI wasn't sure I should say this, but it needs to be said: all y'all need to really understand that my first drafts are often SUPER SHITTY. It is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE to rewrite/revise something to death, filing down all the coolness until only mediocrity remains. BUT! What I see about A ZILLION TIMES AS OFTEN is something that would've benefited from an edit. Edits, revisions, iteration: THEY GOOD. Susan Arendt @susanarendt Something I ask my writers is "Is X the fight you want to have with readers?If it is, ok, but if it isn't, change this wording." Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesFor work-writing, it's, "Am I prepared to justify this choice to a roomful of fans, many of whom are recording me as I answer?" I thought he handled that pretty well.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 21, 2017 3:01:32 GMT
Eric san Diego @biofanofficialWant to know what @patrickweekes's thoughts are on having a female qunari companion in #DragonAge? Click the link! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI just said it's be cool, man! ...I mean, it would, though. ʕ୨•̀ᴥ•́ʔ୨ ︵ ¡ǝʇǝd @awesomonster it'd be cool to smooch a female qunari companion too just fyi Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesSmooching? Is that a thing that happens in our games?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 21, 2017 3:04:58 GMT
Eric san Diego @biofanofficialWant to know what @patrickweekes's thoughts are on having a female qunari companion in #DragonAge? Click the link! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI just said it's be cool, man! ...I mean, it would, though. ʕ୨•̀ᴥ•́ʔ୨ ︵ ¡ǝʇǝd @awesomonster it'd be cool to smooch a female qunari companion too just fyi Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesSmooching? Is that a thing that happens in our games?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 21, 2017 3:34:32 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes 'Sup Bramblefae AutumnbornCrone You lot make me feel deeply suspicious today. Blair Brown @thefiddzzWe make bioware games, you should always be suspicious 😂 Faerie Dragon @faerie_DragonIs this a good time to advocate for Inquisitors who want to help Solas? 'Cause I'm always happy to do that. 😄 Cori Nicole @genevraelThat's me, all day, every day. Iron Bull: Hey, Varric, I was reading your stuff. Where do your bad guys come from? Varric: Well, some of them come from Tevinter and some are Ben-Hassrath spies, but I like the story where the villain was the man beside you the whole time. The best villains don't see themselves as evil. They're fighting for a good cause and willing to get their hands dirty. This banter was some excellent foreshadowing, the rest of it, though - was pure meta.... Iron Bull: Yeah, that's great - but where do they come FROM? Literally. Sometimes it seems as if they just appear out of thin air. ^^^ that was paraphrasing - I can't remember it exactly, but that was the gist.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 21, 2017 3:50:25 GMT
Iron Bull: Hey, Varric, I was reading your stuff. Where do your bad guys come from? Varric: Well, some of them come from Tevinter and some are Ben-Hassrath spies, but I like the story where the villain was the man beside you the whole time. The best villains don't see themselves as evil. They're fighting for a good cause and willing to get their hands dirty. This banter was some excellent foreshadowing, the rest of it, though - was pure meta.... Iron Bull: Yeah, that's great - but where do they come FROM? Literally. Sometimes it seems as if they just appear out of thin air. ^^^ that was paraphrasing - I can't remember it exactly, but that was the gist. Yeah the rest of it was Iron Bull making fun of DA2's enemies jumping out of everywhere.
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Post by cigne on Jul 21, 2017 4:07:19 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes 'Sup Bramblefae AutumnbornCrone You lot make me feel deeply suspicious today. Blair Brown @thefiddzzWe make bioware games, you should always be suspicious 😂 Faerie Dragon @faerie_DragonIs this a good time to advocate for Inquisitors who want to help Solas? 'Cause I'm always happy to do that. 😄 Cori Nicole @genevraelThat's me, all day, every day. Iron Bull: Hey, Varric, I was reading your stuff. Where do your bad guys come from? Varric: Well, some of them come from Tevinter and some are Ben-Hassrath spies, but I like the story where the villain was the man beside you the whole time. The best villains don't see themselves as evil. They're fighting for a good cause and willing to get their hands dirty. This would be too perfect if it happened when Hawke was tagging along. "Really, Varric?"
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 21, 2017 4:16:44 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesFinal addendum in re sensitivity reader tweets today: Was not taking about work stuff. Was referring to edits on upcoming novel, FEEDER. Ran book past friends from variety of backgrounds, but one of my characters is disabled. Don't have any close friends w/similar disability. The editor was awesome about finding someone to read for that. Reader pointed out some stuff I totally biffed and would never have known. One of book's themes is that your differences are okay; you are worth loving. Without that reader's help, I'd have screwed that message up. "You are worthy of respect regardless of who you are!" /makes disabled character a horrible stereotype See how that would've been bad? So: thanks again to my readers. I owe you big. Any stuff still there that's messed up is on me. (And finally, for work, we've also used expert consultants for characters like Krem, and will likely do so again when we try new stuff.)
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 21, 2017 6:43:43 GMT
I don't know why people refuse to understand the context of the whole "rapey" thing in DAI. It wasn't the intention of the writer to begin with, which is a huge part of the problem. They tried to make it work, but then just decided to scrap it altogether.
It's not like they've never used rape in Dragon Age as a plot device -- there is actual rape, or implied rape in all three games -- but I'll assume they intended to do so on those occasions.
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 21, 2017 10:28:52 GMT
Re: PW's 'sensitivity reader' tweets
Iron Bull romance at times felt like reading a wikipedia page due to the "safety words" and all that stuff and then there was the lecture of Krem's gender identity... honestly I would've preferred both to be handled differently. DA is fantasy fiction and entertainment. It shouldn't take itself so very seriously with real life issues and politics because at least I found that distracting and it took me out of the setting. I didn't have the same problem with Dorian's personal quest for example - because it felt more genuine in a way and had to do with Dorian's personality more than anything else. Where as Iron Bull's lecture comes out of nowhere and doesn't really fit his character at all - but it's something that bothers me about him often, he's too different from the other qunari and even if it's intentional and part of it's an act on his behalf, he still doesn't really react to things like someone from an entirely different culture.
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Post by Pokemario on Jul 21, 2017 10:55:53 GMT
IIRC, some members of the BDSM community applauded Weekes for the way he wrote Bull's romance arc, while others criticised him for the very same reason. Patrick also claimed that he sought councel from BDSM people while writing Bull's romance.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 21, 2017 11:00:28 GMT
Re: PW's 'sensitivity reader' tweets Iron Bull romance at times felt like reading a wikipedia page due to the "safety words" and all that stuff and then there was the lecture of Krem's gender identity... honestly I would've preferred both to be handled differently. DA is fantasy fiction and entertainment. It shouldn't take itself so very seriously with real life issues and politics because at least I found that distracting and it took me out of the setting. I didn't have the same problem with Dorian's personal quest for example - because it felt more genuine in a way and had to do with Dorian's personality more than anything else. Where as Iron Bull's lecture comes out of nowhere and doesn't really fit his character at all - but it's something that bothers me about him often, he's too different from the other qunari and even if it's intentional and part of it's an act on his behalf, he still doesn't really react to things like someone from an entirely different culture. How should he react other than how he feels about issues personally? Bull isn't Sten or Arishok, who are as Qunari as one can get and look at others with either confusion or disdain. If he wasn't open-minded and easy-going in the first place, he wouldn't have collected his band of ragtags from all walks of life in the first place... nevermind that he's shown to be protective of Chargers, so I'm confused as to why him standing up for Krem should be characterized as 'out of nowhere'? And he's not 'lecturing' us out of the blue: we have to ask him about stuff and he responds by presenting his point of view. I also find the whole 'DA is fantasy fiction an entertainment therefore it shouldn't take itself so seriously with real life issues and politics' as somewhat bizarre, given that being serious at portraying real life issues and politics has been done in DA series since DAO? Anyway, from my point of view this isn't a binary matter - one can chew gum and walk at the same time. DA can be fantasy fiction and entertainment while weaving in serious takes on real life issues.
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