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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 21:50:16 GMT
Name one thing that Reyes does that actually undermines Sloane. He asks Ryder to investigate a murder by the Roekaar, but how does that undermine Sloane in any way. So what else is there. The Collective take Outcast agents and beat them up for information, but how does that undermine Sloane with the general population? I really can't think of a single quest in game that demonstrates that Reyes is undermining Sloane's position other than by supplying food for the hungry in the slums and financing a free clinic.
Sloane's protection fees and her brutality in collecting them is what was undermining her at every turn... and she's bringing that on herself. One of the first things you see are a group of Outcast beating up on an Angara in the middle of the street for not paying protection fees. If you talked with the "little people," it's the protection fees they hated. Even her own people had issues with how they were being required to enforce them... like the one guy who feels guilty for sending an innocent person out to the badlands.
Furthermore, if Evfra and the Resistance has actually written Kadara off as much as you say... why did they have Reyes working for them even before the thing with Vehn Terev came up?
You're kidding right? I mean he literally states this in the scene where he is revealed to be the Charlatan. "Death by a thousand cuts" as he put it. Oh, and they "beat them up for information"? That's a nice way to dress up torture and mutilate. As for the protection fees, three things: 1. Welcome to taxes. 2. As I said, with the Vault on those fees become redundant because the Badlands suddenly aren't as bad. 3. The Collective also takes from the general populace. Also the Nexus they are supposedly allies with, except they do it from just straight up theft rather than protection fees. With Evfra using Reyes, that's easy. He's keeping an eye on an unknown force in case they become his enemies too. Yes, Reyes said that. I asked YOU to name one instance that is evidence of Reyes undermining Sloane's popularity with the civilians who live on Kadara. How does beating up Outcast agents undermine Sloane's ability to rule the populace, including a population of Angara - civilians? How does beating up civilians in the streets make Sloane a better leader than Reyes? How is allowing her minions to beat up civilians in the streets not causing her to lose popularity with those same civilians who followed her off the Nexus?
1) Protection fees are not taxes because if I don't pay my taxes, I am subject to a legally controlled process of investigation, litigation and perhaps penalty (that might include jail). I am not banned to badlands without due process (as Tomayo was) nor am I beaten up in the street by a gang of thugs (as the Angara you first see was).
2) The badlands remain lawless. Sure, you can drink the water, but they are still "bad" - a place where the gang you don't side with will continue to try to shoot you on sight. If you side with Reyes, he provides protection to the Initiative Colony and does not charge a protection fee. He only takes whatever his share of whatever increase in business is traded through the port as a result of the additional population.
3) Cite the source for the Collective stealing from the Nexus. Cite the source of the Collective stealing from the populace of Kadara. What I found were references to Spender stealing from the Nexus. The terminal in Reyes' office involves him both paying for shipments and receiving payments for shipments. No one seems to know how he acquires whatever he acquires for them. He does steal a bottle of liquor from Sloane... but how did Sloane acquire it is the real question, isn't it? Smuggling is not necessarily theft. Shipping and brokerage of legal goods is certainly not theft. Furthermore, just today, my Ryder had a conversation with Vetra on the Kadara docks (after having sided with Reyes) indicating that she had a bunch of crates of supplies going to the Nexus.
Soane and company stole of lot of stuff from the Nexus as they were being exiled. Sloane, not Reyes, is also the one encouraging the production of Oblivion and its distribution to the populace before Ryder shuts that hefty source of her income down (if that's what your Ryder does).
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Post by dazk on Oct 7, 2019 21:58:51 GMT
You're kidding right? I mean he literally states this in the scene where he is revealed to be the Charlatan. "Death by a thousand cuts" as he put it. Oh, and they "beat them up for information"? That's a nice way to dress up torture and mutilate. As for the protection fees, three things: 1. Welcome to taxes. 2. As I said, with the Vault on those fees become redundant because the Badlands suddenly aren't as bad. 3. The Collective also takes from the general populace. Also the Nexus they are supposedly allies with, except they do it from just straight up theft rather than protection fees. With Evfra using Reyes, that's easy. He's keeping an eye on an unknown force in case they become his enemies too. Yes, Reyes said that. I asked YOU to name one instance that is evidence of Reyes undermining Sloane's popularity with the civilians who live on Kadara. How does beating up Outcast agents undermine Sloane's ability to rule the populace, including a population of Angara - civilians? How does beating up civilians in the streets make Sloane a better leader than Reyes? How is allowing her minions to beat up civilians in the streets not causing her to lose popularity with those same civilians who followed her off the Nexus?
1) Protection fees are not taxes because if I don't pay my taxes, I am subject to a legally controlled process of investigation, litigation and perhaps penalty (that might include jail). I am not banned to badlands without due process (as Tomayo was) nor am I beaten up in the street by a gang of thugs (as the Angara you first see was).
2) The badlands remain lawless. Sure, you can drink the water, but they are still "bad" - a place where the gang you don't side with will continue to try to shoot you on sight. If you side with Reyes, he provides protection to the Initiative Colony and does not charge a protection fee. He only takes whatever his share of whatever increase in business is traded through the port as a result of the additional population.
3) Cite the source for the stealing from the Collective stealing from the Nexus. Cite the source of the Collective stealing from the populace of Kadara. What I found were references to Spender stealing from the Nexus. The terminal in Reyes' office involves him both paying for shipments and receiving payments for shipments. Smuggling is not necessarily theft. Shipping and brokerage of legal goods is certainly not theft. Furthermore, just today, my Ryder had a conversation with Vetra on the Kadara docks (after having sided with Reyes) indicating that she had a bunch of crates of supplies going to the Nexus.
Soane and company stole of lot of stuff from the Nexus as they were being exiled. Sloane, not Reyes, is also the one encouraging the production of Oblivion and its distribution to the populace before Ryder shuts that hefty source of her income down (if that's what your Ryder does).
Just re all this, where you see The Collective beating the outcasts people the reason given by The Collective guard in the jail for beating them is that they were caught placing/exploding a bomb so they could blame it on the Collective. Yes there is a place you can find where the Collective has been torturing Outcasts but Sloane is also only too happy to torture and execute Vehn Terev. Essentially neither of them are great options and hence I like the idea of getting rid of both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 22:08:24 GMT
Yes, Reyes said that. I asked YOU to name one instance that is evidence of Reyes undermining Sloane's popularity with the civilians who live on Kadara. How does beating up Outcast agents undermine Sloane's ability to rule the populace, including a population of Angara - civilians? How does beating up civilians in the streets make Sloane a better leader than Reyes? How is allowing her minions to beat up civilians in the streets not causing her to lose popularity with those same civilians who followed her off the Nexus?
1) Protection fees are not taxes because if I don't pay my taxes, I am subject to a legally controlled process of investigation, litigation and perhaps penalty (that might include jail). I am not banned to badlands without due process (as Tomayo was) nor am I beaten up in the street by a gang of thugs (as the Angara you first see was).
2) The badlands remain lawless. Sure, you can drink the water, but they are still "bad" - a place where the gang you don't side with will continue to try to shoot you on sight. If you side with Reyes, he provides protection to the Initiative Colony and does not charge a protection fee. He only takes whatever his share of whatever increase in business is traded through the port as a result of the additional population.
3) Cite the source for the stealing from the Collective stealing from the Nexus. Cite the source of the Collective stealing from the populace of Kadara. What I found were references to Spender stealing from the Nexus. The terminal in Reyes' office involves him both paying for shipments and receiving payments for shipments. Smuggling is not necessarily theft. Shipping and brokerage of legal goods is certainly not theft. Furthermore, just today, my Ryder had a conversation with Vetra on the Kadara docks (after having sided with Reyes) indicating that she had a bunch of crates of supplies going to the Nexus.
Soane and company stole of lot of stuff from the Nexus as they were being exiled. Sloane, not Reyes, is also the one encouraging the production of Oblivion and its distribution to the populace before Ryder shuts that hefty source of her income down (if that's what your Ryder does).
Just re all this, where you see The Collective beating the outcasts people the reason given by The Collective guard in the jail for beating them is that they were caught placing/exploding a bomb so they could blame it on the Collective. Yes there is a place you can find where the Collective has been torturing Outcasts but Sloane is also only too happy to torture and execute Vehn Terev. Essentially neither of them are great options and hence I like the idea of getting rid of both of them. As I recall, they are also beating that particular outcast since he was not talking (i.e. they were wanting more information from him... (possibly regarding additional bombs?). They also stop the beating if Ryder asks/demands that they stop it.
I'm not defending Reyes as a nice guy... he's not - he lies and he's shifty as H*ll; but I do consider him the lesser of the two evils. So, since Bioware did not provide an option to kill off both Sloane and Reyes during their duel, I generally do side with Reyes. I manipulate the dialogues accordingly... making sure I visit Sloane sometime just after releasing Terev and after my first trip out into the badlands, so that she mentions seeing Ryder in the badlands and that she would consider any move to place an Initiative Outpost on Kadara as an act of war. I think she can even tell Ryder she'll raze any outpost he/she sets up to the ground. My Ryder then takes her at her word. I avoid the dialogue in which she indicates she'll allow an outpost if I help her kill the Charlatan. This makes siding with Reyes an obvious choice for Ryder to make.
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Post by dazk on Oct 7, 2019 22:29:15 GMT
Just re all this, where you see The Collective beating the outcasts people the reason given by The Collective guard in the jail for beating them is that they were caught placing/exploding a bomb so they could blame it on the Collective. Yes there is a place you can find where the Collective has been torturing Outcasts but Sloane is also only too happy to torture and execute Vehn Terev. Essentially neither of them are great options and hence I like the idea of getting rid of both of them. As I recall, they are also beating that particular outcast since he was not talking (i.e. they were wanting more information from him... (possibly regarding additional bombs?). They also stop the beating if Ryder asks/demands that they stop it.
I'm not defending Reyes as a nice guy... he's not - he lies and he's shifty as H*ll; but I do consider him the lesser of the two evils. So, since Bioware did not provide an option to kill off both Sloane and Reyes during their duel, I generally do side with Reyes. I manipulate the dialogues accordingly... making sure I visit Sloane sometime just after releasing Terev and after my first trip out into the badlands, so that she mentions seeing Ryder in the badlands and that she would consider any move to place an Initiative Outpost on Kadara as an act of war. I think she can even tell Ryder she'll raze any outpost he/she sets up to the ground. My Ryder then takes her at her word. I avoid the dialogue in which she indicates she'll allow an outpost if I help her kill the Charlatan. This makes siding with Reyes an obvious choice for Ryder to make.
I have sided with Reyes 13 out of 16 times, I truly can't stand Sloane's MO and her threats although I like her character especially after reading the book "Nexus Uprising".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 7, 2019 22:46:17 GMT
I have yet to side with Reyes, because he is without doubt the worse choice. At least with Sloane it is a case of “Better the devil you know”.
Also the part about protection fees being taxed was a joke. Didn’t think that needed to be said.
But with the above posts stating they’ll only acknowledge the stuff that supports them, I see continuing the discussion is a waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 23:54:52 GMT
I have yet to side with Reyes, because he is without doubt the worse choice. At least with Sloane it is a case of “Better the devil you know”. Also the part about protection fees being taxed was a joke. Didn’t think that needed to be said. But with the above posts stating they’ll only acknowledge the stuff that supports them, I see continuing the discussion is a waste of time. ... and I'll take it as an admission that despite what Reyes says, there is actually nothing that Bioware wrote into the game that shows Reyes doing anything to actually undermine Sloane's leadership role.
That he's not a nice guy is not in question... he definitely is not a nice guy. Bioware obviously wanted you to be able to logically choose to side with either one. What they didn't do is give us an option to side with neither one... and I would have liked to have had such an option.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 8, 2019 0:23:53 GMT
I have yet to side with Reyes, because he is without doubt the worse choice. At least with Sloane it is a case of “Better the devil you know”. Also the part about protection fees being taxed was a joke. Didn’t think that needed to be said. But with the above posts stating they’ll only acknowledge the stuff that supports them, I see continuing the discussion is a waste of time. ... and I'll take it as an admission that despite what Reyes says, there is actually nothing that Bioware wrote into the game that shows Reyes doing anything to actually undermine Sloane's leadership role.
That he's not a nice guy is not in question... he definitely is not a nice guy. Bioware obviously wanted you to be able to logically choose to side with either one. What they didn't do is give us an option to side with neither one... and I would have liked to have had such an option.
No, there is. You just choose to ignore it even when it comes from his mouth so what's the point in continuing when I know you'll just keep ignoring?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 0:47:07 GMT
... and I'll take it as an admission that despite what Reyes says, there is actually nothing that Bioware wrote into the game that shows Reyes doing anything to actually undermine Sloane's leadership role.
That he's not a nice guy is not in question... he definitely is not a nice guy. Bioware obviously wanted you to be able to logically choose to side with either one. What they didn't do is give us an option to side with neither one... and I would have liked to have had such an option.
No, there is. You just choose to ignore it even when it comes from his mouth so what's the point in continuing when I know you'll just keep ignoring? Again, I'm not denying that he says it. I'm saying there is nothing in the game that shows it. This is a plot hole, IMO. They should have had us be involved in a quest that actually undermines Sloane's role as a leader. Instead, we wind up chasing a Roekaar murderer, which has nothing to do with Sloane's leadership.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 0:55:23 GMT
At any rate... back to the thread topic... Old Skinner is no more. Ryder also helped rescue what was left of the Asari ark. He wanted to tell Serissa that she was a fool for risking her ark to obtain a map; but thought that Cora might get upset... So, he told the Captain that Pathfinders had to take risks. In the end, a log was found that showed that Sarissa had not only risked the welfare of her ark but also refused to help the original Pathfinder hold up a barrier that might have held them off for a longer period of time. Sarissa was stripped of her Pathfinder status which was given to Vedaria. Cora has agreed to help Vedaria adapt to her new job.
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Post by melbella on Oct 8, 2019 0:57:21 GMT
Again, I'm not denying that he says it. I'm saying there is nothing in the game that shows it. This is a plot hole, IMO. They should have had us be involved in a quest that actually undermines Sloane's role as a leader. Instead, we wind up chasing a Roekaar murderer, which has nothing to do with Sloane's leadership. Yes, in order for the murders to undermine Sloane, the murderer would have needed to be on the Collective's payroll and/or working on Reyes' orders. Obviously the Roekaar don't fit that bill. The only thing that might possibly undermine her is the fact that Ryder, with Reyes' anonymous help, is the one who figured out who it was and took care of it. Yet, Sloane wasn't exactly making any attempt to solve them herself, so her own inaction would be just as, if not more, damaging to her status.
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 1:12:51 GMT
So yesterday pretty much finished Voeld (YAY) by activating the last monolith, resetting the vault and struggling mightily with that damned puzzle to get the data core, took me way too long!!!!!  Set up the outpost, found the dead scientistst, defeated the architect and struggled with that as well, certainly wasn't on top of my game yesterday. Completed the Subjugation quest to get the other data core, completed the other random generated quests except the scanning of dead Angarans it just wasn't popping. Picked up some memory triggers, found Mashal for Haana (killed the Kett and wish you could explain to her if you have already freed the Moshae who the Kett are) and placed the receiver. Got PeeBee's Rem Tech and now will return to Aya. Jaal and PeeBee faking it:   The dread of this fight always sets in at this point:  Got it done:  I like the Voeld Vault but hate the damn puzzle and the stupid cold taking down your Life Support so fast:  |
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Post by melbella on Oct 8, 2019 3:13:39 GMT
I like the Voeld Vault but hate the damn puzzle and the stupid cold taking down your Life Support so fast: I would love a mod that either fixes (for real) or completely disables the Voeld weather hazard. There's no hazard in any of the other vaults (until they are activated) so there's no reason for it in this one other than annoyance. That the outside weather actually gets worse afterwards is just so 
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I like the Voeld Vault but hate the damn puzzle and the stupid cold taking down your Life Support so fast: I would love a mod that either fixes (for real) or completely disables the Voeld weather hazard. There's no hazard in any of the other vaults (until they are activated) so there's no reason for it in this one other than annoyance. That the outside weather actually gets worse afterwards is just so
Me too. Voeld is pretty strange. I once managed to travel around without the Life Support bar appearing nor Ryder finally taking damage/dying. On another occasion, after falling down a cliff and being "reset", I had no bar shown but the "clock" was apparently still ticking and finally killed her. I've seen on Nexus that KrrKs messed around with the Backup Life Support, so I hope he can shed some light on this.
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 6:23:06 GMT
I would love a mod that either fixes (for real) or completely disables the Voeld weather hazard. There's no hazard in any of the other vaults (until they are activated) so there's no reason for it in this one other than annoyance. That the outside weather actually gets worse afterwards is just so
Me too. Voeld is pretty strange. I once managed to travel around without the Life Support bar appearing nor Ryder finally taking damage/dying. On another occasion, after falling down a cliff and being "reset", I had no bar shown but the "clock" was apparently still ticking and finally killed her. I've seen on Nexus that KrrKs messed around with the Backup Life Support, so I hope he can shed some light on this. Yeah it's damn annoying re the weather, there is also a bug you can get there when you first head off from the ops base and have that fight with the resistance against the Kett as you drive down the road where your life support just disappears really fast. It makes it near impossible to do the mission. When that happens it usually leads to the glitch later where the cold doesn't seem to affect you.  I was playing on Hardcore but for the vault I dropped it back to Easy as my life support was just disappearing ridiculously fast. There is a MOD called MEA Fixpack that fixed a lot of issues, must check if there has been an update maybe the person that made it has fixed it or at least can look at fixing it.
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 6:24:28 GMT
I like the Voeld Vault but hate the damn puzzle and the stupid cold taking down your Life Support so fast: I would love a mod that either fixes (for real) or completely disables the Voeld weather hazard. There's no hazard in any of the other vaults (until they are activated) so there's no reason for it in this one other than annoyance. That the outside weather actually gets worse afterwards is just so you would have laughed at me yesterday, after having been able to complete it the last few times I was back to like when you had to help me with the puzzle years ago!!!! 
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 8, 2019 7:49:00 GMT
Today some more random pics and back to Kadara, where water is burning... Seeing someone wake up  Shuttle wreck in cold, silent space...  Cant remember which planet was this but with UI.DrawEnable 0 and right mouse button to zoom, it looked fab *snapapicture*  Satellite near the star  Planet in starshine  Ah, Kadara Port.. wait why Ah?    Met Knight and made her believe   And these Cerberus idiots too  Seeing my handiwork done  Well, back to the caves...  |
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Post by correctamundo on Oct 8, 2019 8:19:50 GMT
No without Reyes no collective. The collective is the guarantee for security. Don't think so. Again, most of the Collective doesn't know who the Charlatan is. Reyes can be replaced without a vast majority even knowing that such a transition has occurred.
Placing the Anggara in actual power on the planet also brings in the Resistance as a security force... and the Resistance are far more capable of fighting kett than the Collective.
In game the collective falls apart without Reyes just as the outcast fall apart without Sloane. At High noon we learn that the outcasts are so weakened that Sloane has no where to turn except Ryder. Efvra gives no indication that he will divert forces to Kadara. Quite contrary. The only outside factions that do show interest in Kadara are the Kett and the Roekar. Neither of which gives security enough for an outpost. 😎 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 8:23:10 GMT
Me too. Voeld is pretty strange. I once managed to travel around without the Life Support bar appearing nor Ryder finally taking damage/dying. On another occasion, after falling down a cliff and being "reset", I had no bar shown but the "clock" was apparently still ticking and finally killed her. I've seen on Nexus that KrrKs messed around with the Backup Life Support, so I hope he can shed some light on this. Yeah it's damn annoying re the weather, there is also a bug you can get there when you first head off from the ops base and have that fight with the resistance against the Kett as you drive down the road where your life support just disappears really fast. It makes it near impossible to do the mission. When that happens it usually leads to the glitch later where the cold doesn't seem to affect you. I was playing on Hardcore but for the vault I dropped it back to Easy as my life support was just disappearing ridiculously fast. There is a MOD called MEA Fixpack that fixed a lot of issues, must check if there has been an update maybe the person that made it has fixed it or at least can look at fixing it. It might just be my imagination, but I think I found a way to reset the weather bug inside the Voeld vault. I hit a point with it this time that it was just going down so fast, the puzzle was basically impossible to do quickly enough to avoid dying. I lowered the difficulty and did the puzzle then increassed the difficulty again and went back to a save just before the vault and did it again... but that time the life support bar would deplete more reasonably. I'll have to wait for another run through Voeld to test it again.
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Don't think so. Again, most of the Collective doesn't know who the Charlatan is. Reyes can be replaced without a vast majority even knowing that such a transition has occurred.
Placing the Anggara in actual power on the planet also brings in the Resistance as a security force... and the Resistance are far more capable of fighting kett than the Collective.
In game the collective falls apart without Reyes just as the outcast fall apart without Sloane. At High noon we learn that the outcasts are so weakened that Sloane has no where to turn except Ryder. Efvra gives no indication that he will divert forces to Kadara. Quite contrary. The only outside factions that do show interest in Kadara are the Kett and the Roekar. Neither of which gives security enough for an outpost. 😎 It's a scenario, however, that Bioware didn't write... so we can each speculate about it in different ways. No worries. I would have still liked to have the option to kill off both of them... maybe put Remi Tomayo in charge.
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Post by correctamundo on Oct 8, 2019 10:29:08 GMT
In game the collective falls apart without Reyes just as the outcast fall apart without Sloane. At High noon we learn that the outcasts are so weakened that Sloane has no where to turn except Ryder. Efvra gives no indication that he will divert forces to Kadara. Quite contrary. The only outside factions that do show interest in Kadara are the Kett and the Roekar. Neither of which gives security enough for an outpost. 😎 It's a scenario, however, that Bioware didn't write... so we can each speculate about it in different ways. No worries. I would have still liked to have the option to kill off both of them... maybe put Remi Tomayo in charge. Oh Remi, Ryders first mission on Kadara. Always. 
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 13:18:03 GMT
Couldn't sleep last night, so I rescued Drack's future son-in-law instead. Didn't have the heart to drop Aroane this time around... will probably make up for it by exiling Spender... to Elaaden and let Drack deal with him there. We'll decide whenever I decide to head back to the Nexus... but I've got a Drive Core to retrieve first.
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Post by KrrKs on Oct 8, 2019 17:43:26 GMT
*snip I've seen on Nexus that KrrKs messed around with the Backup Life Support, so I hope he can shed some light on this. I only prolonged the duration of the life support cells (and made them stackable). No Idea about the Hazards. Though I vaguely remember believing that they seem to part of the map data. (Which also explains why there are several Kett heaters on Voeld that don't actually provide heat - like at the camp next to Techix) There is a MOD called MEA Fixpack that fixed a lot of issues, must check if there has been an update maybe the person that made it has fixed it or at least can look at fixing it. The last update of NightWolf's Fixpack was in January, she seems to be on something like hiatus for most of this year.
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 22:32:43 GMT
Yeah it's damn annoying re the weather, there is also a bug you can get there when you first head off from the ops base and have that fight with the resistance against the Kett as you drive down the road where your life support just disappears really fast. It makes it near impossible to do the mission. When that happens it usually leads to the glitch later where the cold doesn't seem to affect you. I was playing on Hardcore but for the vault I dropped it back to Easy as my life support was just disappearing ridiculously fast. There is a MOD called MEA Fixpack that fixed a lot of issues, must check if there has been an update maybe the person that made it has fixed it or at least can look at fixing it. It might just be my imagination, but I think I found a way to reset the weather bug inside the Voeld vault. I hit a point with it this time that it was just going down so fast, the puzzle was basically impossible to do quickly enough to avoid dying. I lowered the difficulty and did the puzzle then increassed the difficulty again and went back to a save just before the vault and did it again... but that time the life support bar would deplete more reasonably. I'll have to wait for another run through Voeld to test it again. That was exactly what was happening with me in regards to The Vault and life support. I'll try your solution when I play again depending of course that I remember!!!! 
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 22:34:37 GMT
In game the collective falls apart without Reyes just as the outcast fall apart without Sloane. At High noon we learn that the outcasts are so weakened that Sloane has no where to turn except Ryder. Efvra gives no indication that he will divert forces to Kadara. Quite contrary. The only outside factions that do show interest in Kadara are the Kett and the Roekar. Neither of which gives security enough for an outpost. 😎 It's a scenario, however, that Bioware didn't write... so we can each speculate about it in different ways. No worries. I would have still liked to have the option to kill off both of them... maybe put Remi Tomayo in charge. Remi Tomayo, Tomayo, Tomayo!!!! Yeah that'd be a good solution, maybe her and Conrad Verner's sister could rule together?????  
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 22:35:55 GMT
It's a scenario, however, that Bioware didn't write... so we can each speculate about it in different ways. No worries. I would have still liked to have the option to kill off both of them... maybe put Remi Tomayo in charge. Oh Remi, Ryders first mission on Kadara. Always.  I do that first too, just seems to make sense from an "urgency" perspective and also it clears that dead end part of the map. 
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