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Post by Finvola on Jun 20, 2017 23:07:16 GMT
I have tried them all but didn't see the Morrigan romance all the way through. Not yet anyway, one of these days. I don't often play male wardens so maybe I will do a full romance with her the next time I play a guy. My favorite is Zevran.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 22, 2017 19:18:17 GMT
Went with Zevran as only m/m.
If I could choose any character it'd be Alistair, I think.
Future choice would be either Morrigan or Alistair. Leliana only when on 4th playthrough.
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Post by congokong on Jun 26, 2017 0:16:07 GMT
From a storytelling perspective, Alistair is probably the best romance option, followed by Morrigan. I have issues with all of them though which makes it hard for one particular romance to stand out. My canon did choose Alistair, however.
Alistair:
His hypocritical idolizing of the Grey Wardens despite actually objecting to their methods, along with his unshakable reverence for Duncan, made him rather irritating at times. For example, when Duncan kills Ser Jory after almost no effort of negotiation, Alistair brushes it off as a casualty of the joining; as if he died the same way as Daveth instead of being stabbed. Yet if the warden had done this, you could be sure he'd disapprove heavily.
He can occasionally be funny but tries way too hard to be so that it often falls flat. He's also very selective on when it's ok for you to use humor yourself. Picking one humor option actually ended a romance and earned like 26 disapproval, which leads to another point.
Alistair is very disapproving by nature. I've only successfully romanced him by showering him with Feastday gifts because, unless you're playing a white knight who behaves nothing like how Alistair's precious Grey Wardens are supposed to, he disapproves ...hard. Even seemingly innocent comments can earn disapproval; including romantic ones.
Ex: "Hah! You're so goofy!" Alistair disapproves -8 Ex: "If we care about each other that's all that matters." Alistair disapproves -10
Earning his favor feels a bit like maneuvering through a minefield, but pales in comparison to the next love interest.
Morrigan:
She's a royal bitch, plain and simple. Like Alistair, it is very difficult to successfully romance her without showering her with gifts, unless you're an immoral character. Romancing her often made me question why I was even bothering besides "to do a Morrigan romance." This is reinforced further when she literally begs you to end it.
Maneuvering her romance successfully is a true case of trial and error. I never would have guessed "Get in the tent, woman" would be so acceptable to her, for example, when other aggressive options have accidentally ended her romance.
Morrigan's beliefs fit most definitions of "evil." Her only redeeming quality is that she doesn't actually do such things herself (in-game), but rather urges the warden to do them and disapproves when refused.
Zevran:
My only real problem with romancing Zevran, excluding potentially having a moral issue with falling for an assassin (who also tried to kill you), is how doing so requires heavy meta-gaming and accepting that your warden is a moron. I can't conceive of anyone ever actually taking an assassin who tried to kill them along as a companion on a lengthy journey; letting them guard your back, having them sleep near you at night, and eventually sleeping with him as well (which is how assassins kill some targets). I really wish Bioware introduced him as a companion in a less controversial manner.
On a personal level, Zevran is very charming and quite intelligent. I've seen very few players who didn't like him. He lacks the strong opinions of the others (something which generally makes characters more likeable, like Varric) and is very easy to get to like you. It's pretty obvious what he'll approve of. As long as you don't flat out insult him or argue against him being an assassin, he'll approve. ...Just don't slaughter large groups of innocent elves though.
Leliana:
She's the only one I've never fully romanced because I just wasn't that fond of her overly religious (and hypocritical) manner. However, while she'll be disapproving of many arguably evil/selfish actions, she's very predictable. Her romance can take a lot of work and upkeep without endless gifts, as she'll actually stop sleeping with you if you don't maintain near maximum approval.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 26, 2017 12:14:53 GMT
Morrigan:She's a royal bitch, plain and simple. Like Alistair, it is very difficult to successfully romance her without showering her with gifts, unless you're an immoral character. Romancing her often made me question why I was even bothering besides "to do a Morrigan romance." This is reinforced further when she literally begs you to end it. Maneuvering her romance successfully is a true case of trial and error. I never would have guessed "Get in the tent, woman" would be so acceptable to her, for example, when other aggressive options have accidentally ended her romance. Morrigan's beliefs fit most definitions of "evil." Her only redeeming quality is that she doesn't actually do such things herself (in-game), but rather urges the warden to do them and disapproves when refused. Mm... no, it's really easy. I simply avoided taking Morrigan with me on quests where she would disapprove of my decisions. Also, the dialogue at camp and her personal quest give enough approval that I only ever had to give her like two gifts.
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From a storytelling perspective, Alistair is probably the best romance option, followed by Morrigan. I have issues with all of them though which makes it hard for one particular romance to stand out. My canon did choose Alistair, however. Alistair:His hypocritical idolizing of the Grey Wardens despite actually objecting to their methods, along with his unshakable reverence for Duncan, made him rather irritating at times. For example, when Duncan kills Ser Jory after almost no effort of negotiation, Alistair brushes it off as a casualty of the joining; as if he died the same way as Daveth instead of being stabbed. Yet if the warden had done this, you could be sure he'd disapprove heavily. He can occasionally be funny but tries way too hard to be so that it often falls flat. He's also very selective on when it's ok for you to use humor yourself. Picking one humor option actually ended a romance and earned like 26 disapproval, which leads to another point. Alistair is very disapproving by nature. I've only successfully romanced him by showering him with Feastday gifts because, unless you're playing a white knight who behaves nothing like how Alistair's precious Grey Wardens are supposed to, he disapproves ...hard. Even seemingly innocent comments can earn disapproval; including romantic ones. Ex: "Hah! You're so goofy!" Alistair disapproves -8 Ex: "If we care about each other that's all that matters." Alistair disapproves -10 Earning his favor feels a bit like maneuvering through a minefield, but pales in comparison to the next love interest. Being bioWARE's old player, I easily recognize Alistair's pattern as every LG NPC out there, and find his approval easy to win. Flatter him, don't mock him and do good things.
What I did not like about his romance is that BioWARE really wanted you to "harden" him in his family quest in order to make him a king. He is basically still recognizable as Anomen from BG2 with an easier to swallow personality and more interesting backstory. If you have not been yourself "hardened" as a player by Anomen, I can see how Alistair could be a shock.
Overall though, I find that making him sheepish and boyish and charming did the trick for me, and I absolutely adore him, plus he aligns with how I want to play the game, as I can't really see any option of playing an "evil" version of Origins and retaining approval of enough characters to make a party. Basically, Approval limits your party comps in origins so much that you have to have either Alistair + Wynne + 1 or Morrigan + Dog + 1, where you +1, you just go "whatever" on their approval.
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Post by XJlock on Jun 26, 2017 18:03:01 GMT
My romance choice was Morrigan.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 26, 2017 23:30:23 GMT
This poll is rather strange, in a wiki I read that Leliana is the most popular romance in DAO
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Post by Domakir on Jun 27, 2017 7:06:26 GMT
This poll is rather strange, in a wiki I read that Leliana is the most popular romance in DAO I wouldn't trust any wiki tbh. Also keep in mind that in this forum there is just a small part of all the people who has played the game, so obviously this poll is not very accurate. It's only to see who we chose as our LI.
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Post by Beregond5 on Jun 28, 2017 8:33:05 GMT
Overall though, I find that making him sheepish and boyish and charming did the trick for me, and I absolutely adore him, plus he aligns with how I want to play the game, as I can't really see any option of playing an "evil" version of Origins and retaining approval of enough characters to make a party. Basically, Approval limits your party comps in origins so much that you have to have either Alistair + Wynne + 1 or Morrigan + Dog + 1, where you +1, you just go "whatever" on their approval.
Agreed. Once you figure out your companions and what kind of actions they approve, it's pretty easy to make them adore your character pretty fast, and you don't even have to spam them with gifts - you can limit them to the ones that trigger cutscenes so that they're meaningful in the story. It's also true that the potential for companion combos suffers. I always play goody two-shoes characters, so if I want to gain approval, I need to have Wynne, Alistair and Leliana with me. That means companions like Sten, Zevran and especially Morrigan stay in camp - a shame, really, because that limits the banter and interruptions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 13:38:57 GMT
Overall though, I find that making him sheepish and boyish and charming did the trick for me, and I absolutely adore him, plus he aligns with how I want to play the game, as I can't really see any option of playing an "evil" version of Origins and retaining approval of enough characters to make a party. Basically, Approval limits your party comps in origins so much that you have to have either Alistair + Wynne + 1 or Morrigan + Dog + 1, where you +1, you just go "whatever" on their approval.
Agreed. Once you figure out your companions and what kind of actions they approve, it's pretty easy to make them adore your character pretty fast, and you don't even have to spam them with gifts - you can limit them to the ones that trigger cutscenes so that they're meaningful in the story. It's also true that the potential for companion combos suffers. I always play goody two-shoes characters, so if I want to gain approval, I need to have Wynne, Alistair and Leliana with me. That means companions like Sten, Zevran and especially Morrigan stay in camp - a shame, really, because that limits the banter and interruptions. It still inherits from the earlier games, where companions were provided in quantities that allowed the PC's to form parties that matched his or her own alignment. So, the NPCs/LIs in the DA1 fairly clearly divide into two parties, one which support a good, and the other - the evil PC, with Dog & Shale for neutrality, and Loghain to replace Alistair in the final battle.
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Post by vindur on Jun 28, 2017 19:19:06 GMT
I don't think it's that simple to divide the characters into two parties. This may be for another thread but I'll go on.
My main point about this issue is this: Thedas is a dark, medieval-phantasy inspired game. It is a brutal world that shapes people, with more or less resistance, into its ways: the ways of violence, limited trust, need for survival, etc.
The Warden is special exactly because you can fit your morals in him, he's the protagonist, a character that is not directly affected by all that ambient and THAT is exactly what it makes him/her so influential, charismatic, inspiring leader.
This is why I find it so dull and infantile when people say ''Morrigan is evil, Sten is merciless'', etc. Reality is a bit more complicated than that, and I think Dragon Age has worked that out pretty nicely. All the characters have been shaped by this ambient I was talking about in one way or another, mostly in a negative sense, but letting almost intact, also, their inherent positive traits:
- Morrigan takes her admiration for uniqueness, passion and energy (both in bed and on the battlefield), striving for one's power and improvement and respect for knowledge, ancient creatures and magic, which in themselves are not inherently ''bad'' values, as a means to despise the weak. She was raised by a vengeful goddess in an almost complete isolation who taught her to distrust, to hate. Nonetheless, the way she reacts to the feelings that begin to spring within her for the Warden, specially in the romance but also in the friendship background, is one of the best written things I've seen in a game, and her character development through Origins and Inquisition if you decide to confront her darkest side is yet to be matched in the saga.
- Sten is a killing machine, he also respects nothing but might, the way of the warrior, and also hates the weak, and when he found himself in an alarming situation of vulnerability, he murdered an entire family out of panic. He's extremely contemptful towards the Elven (''they are good at being poor'') and if your Warden is an elf, he will question your leadership constantly, even leading him to actually trying to kill you and take over the entire group if the disapproval rating sinks (something I consider to be way, way worse than the ''great betrayal'' of Morrigan when she decides to abandon you if you decide to reject the Dark Ritual). But when getting his best side afloat, he proves to be capable of respecting other cultures and being the most loyal comrade in arms of Thedas.
- Alistair, as correctly said by someone here, is completely delusional about the Grey Wardens and only likes a good sense of humor when he's the one being witty. He's a golden hearted comrade for sure, but he's also absolutely incapable of assuming control of his own life and assuming responsibilities. This is something that can dramatically change if you inspire him to accept his self-worth in the King election quests.
- Leliana, after spending her whole life murdering and stealing people, desperately crawls back her way to the Chantry, looking for a redemption that she would do better to find in actually facing her problems and finding her redemption through actual, real life people. She can learn though thanks to the interaction with the Warden, to face her past, through a great friendship or romance.
- Wynne, even when not given proof to do it, is extremely judgamental, when not paternalistic, about you and almost every companion, specially Morrigan. She has a good point when she recognises a genuine passion and love if you may romance Morrigan to the end and retracts, while she can also learn to address that not every spiritual possession is evitable nor evil.
- Oghren and Zevran just like to kill. As simply as that. The dwarf is not only not sorry for having murdered a poor young bastard in the Orzammar's Games even when there was no need to do so, he also mocks civilized rules about not attacking people when in a city (''swords are for killing'' dialogue), while also having a generous amount of misogynism inside him. He was raised that way. The same goes to Zevran, another poor bastard who couldn't choose his life and ended up finding ''poetry'' in the way a blade plunges into a man's flesh. Both also improve their morals and are actually capable of trusting a good friend if the Warden inspires them to do so.
What I want to say with all this is simple: there are no ''evil'' characters. There are characters molded by their circumstances in a grim world who have very bright and very dark sides: the point of Dragon Age is that you actually have the power to inspire them, to change them, in one way or the other. The choice is up to you.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 6, 2017 16:43:04 GMT
- Sten is a killing machine, he also respects nothing but might, the way of the warrior, and also hates the weak, and when he found himself in an alarming situation of vulnerability, he murdered an entire family out of panic. He's extremely contemptful towards the Elven (''they are good at being poor'') and if your Warden is an elf, he will question your leadership constantly, even leading him to actually trying to kill you and take over the entire group if the disapproval rating sinks (something I consider to be way, way worse than the ''great betrayal'' of Morrigan when she decides to abandon you if you decide to reject the Dark Ritual). But when getting his best side afloat, he proves to be capable of respecting other cultures and being the most loyal comrade in arms of Thedas. "Zevran: You seem to have quite the disdainful attitude towards elves, my Qunari friend. Sten: Don't take it personally, elf. I have a disdainful attitude towards everyone." Oghren is many things, but I never understood how being very direct and promiscuous equals woman hater. If we had a lesbian character that behaves like him, she would not be labeled such. Of course, she would be criticised by her peers as Isabela is in DA2, but misogynistic wouldn't be among the names people use to describe her.
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Post by lucretia on Jul 11, 2017 2:43:51 GMT
Leliana Or, I have romanced all of them, but Leliana is my absolute favorite and my canon romance.
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I don't think it's that simple to divide the characters into two parties. This may be for another thread but I'll go on. My main point about this issue is this: Thedas is a dark, medieval-phantasy inspired game. It is a brutal world that shapes people, with more or less resistance, into its ways: the ways of violence, limited trust, need for survival, etc. The Warden is special exactly because you can fit your morals in him, he's the protagonist, a character that is not directly affected by all that ambient and THAT is exactly what it makes him/her so influential, charismatic, inspiring leader. This is why I find it so dull and infantile when people say ''Morrigan is evil, Sten is merciless'', etc. Reality is a bit more complicated than that, and I think Dragon Age has worked that out pretty nicely. All the characters have been shaped by this ambient I was talking about in one way or another, mostly in a negative sense, but letting almost intact, also, their inherent positive traits: And, every BioWARE game, from Baldur's gate onward did the same thing. Gave each companion a smattering of threats, and you could go in circles of whom you liked, whom you disliked with other players. Viconia and Kivan were interchangeably called good and evil on the basis of like 5 lines, whomever you liked better, or thought sexier. No, DA:O is not dark, and it is not medieval. It's a heroic fantasy with a half-naked bad girl that is written to trigger the men to want to "understand" and "defend" and a sheepish charming boy that is written to be snubbed for not being alpha (on purpose). Female chars have "spank" but when males do, it's "Oh, I hate him!" time. It works like that in all Bio games, it's ridiculously simple. Morrigan is the standard bioWARE's "redeem between the sheets" material. Hopefully, she served her time as the man-favorite and I can finally kill her soon & for good.
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Post by vindur on Jul 11, 2017 17:45:12 GMT
I don't think it's that simple to divide the characters into two parties. This may be for another thread but I'll go on. My main point about this issue is this: Thedas is a dark, medieval-phantasy inspired game. It is a brutal world that shapes people, with more or less resistance, into its ways: the ways of violence, limited trust, need for survival, etc. The Warden is special exactly because you can fit your morals in him, he's the protagonist, a character that is not directly affected by all that ambient and THAT is exactly what it makes him/her so influential, charismatic, inspiring leader. This is why I find it so dull and infantile when people say ''Morrigan is evil, Sten is merciless'', etc. Reality is a bit more complicated than that, and I think Dragon Age has worked that out pretty nicely. All the characters have been shaped by this ambient I was talking about in one way or another, mostly in a negative sense, but letting almost intact, also, their inherent positive traits: And, every BioWARE game, from Baldur's gate onward did the same thing. Gave each companion a smattering of threats, and you could go in circles of whom you liked, whom you disliked with other players. Viconia and Kivan were interchangeably called good and evil on the basis of like 5 lines, whomever you liked better, or thought sexier. No, DA:O is not dark, and it is not medieval. It's a heroic fantasy with a half-naked bad girl that is written to trigger the men to want to "understand" and "defend" and a sheepish charming boy that is written to be snubbed for not being alpha (on purpose). Female chars have "spank" but when males do, it's "Oh, I hate him!" time. It works like that in all Bio games, it's ridiculously simple. Morrigan is the standard bioWARE's "redeem between the sheets" material. Hopefully, she served her time as the man-favorite and I can finally kill her soon & for good. Why do you all Morrigan-haters seem always to have personal shit into this? Lmao The fact that characters are called ''good'' or ''evil'' in 5 lines in other titles says nothing. Also: ''DA:O is not dark, and it is not medieval''. What? Like... hello? I guess that's like it's exactly and on purpose made on the image of feudal relations and ancient primitive communal regime-like myths, with both ruthless Feudal Lords, crushed peasantry classes and witches outcast of society and an almost unforgiving struggle for existence that lead people to do shitty things. But hey, it's not dark fantasy and also not medieval. Sorry, but the more people with your point of view try to portray this or that character as inherently ''evil'', specially Morrigan, the more ridiculous it seems. You also forget that Morrigan can also have the ''redemption'' with a high approval friendship, not only with a romance. And you also seem to have problems with the fact that Morrigan is romanceable or with the fact that Alistair enters the scenario with huge confidence problems (which has nothing to do with ''hating'' him because ''he's not alpha''). Let feminism aside when playing games, it'll do you good.
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And, every BioWARE game, from Baldur's gate onward did the same thing. Gave each companion a smattering of threats, and you could go in circles of whom you liked, whom you disliked with other players. Viconia and Kivan were interchangeably called good and evil on the basis of like 5 lines, whomever you liked better, or thought sexier. No, DA:O is not dark, and it is not medieval. It's a heroic fantasy with a half-naked bad girl that is written to trigger the men to want to "understand" and "defend" and a sheepish charming boy that is written to be snubbed for not being alpha (on purpose). Female chars have "spank" but when males do, it's "Oh, I hate him!" time. It works like that in all Bio games, it's ridiculously simple. Morrigan is the standard bioWARE's "redeem between the sheets" material. Hopefully, she served her time as the man-favorite and I can finally kill her soon & for good. Why do you all Morrigan-haters seem always to have personal shit into this? Lmao The fact that characters are called ''good'' or ''evil'' in 5 lines in other titles says nothing. Also: ''DA:O is not dark, and it is not medieval''. What? Like... hello? I guess that's like it's exactly and on purpose made on the image of feudal relations and ancient primitive communal regime-like myths, with both ruthless Feudal Lords, crushed peasantry classes and witches outcast of society and an almost unforgiving struggle for existence that lead people to do shitty things. But hey, it's not dark fantasy and also not medieval. Sorry, but the more people with your point of view try to portray this or that character as inherently ''evil'', specially Morrigan, the more ridiculous it seems. You also forget that Morrigan can also have the ''redemption'' with a high approval friendship, not only with a romance. And you also seem to have problems with the fact that Morrigan is romanceable or with the fact that Alistair enters the scenario with huge confidence problems (which has nothing to do with ''hating'' him because ''he's not alpha''). Let feminism aside when playing games, it'll do you good. Nah, I just hate her, and want to kill her. Peeps who wanted to romance and friend her got their jollies. Now I want mine. Optional is optional. Peeps can kill Alistair if they want to, so I want to kill Morrigan. Were I a feminist, I'd love Morrigan, because I won't be experiencing rivalry, hatred and jealousy towards another woman character.
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Post by vindur on Jul 11, 2017 17:59:11 GMT
Why do you all Morrigan-haters seem always to have personal shit into this? Lmao The fact that characters are called ''good'' or ''evil'' in 5 lines in other titles says nothing. Also: ''DA:O is not dark, and it is not medieval''. What? Like... hello? I guess that's like it's exactly and on purpose made on the image of feudal relations and ancient primitive communal regime-like myths, with both ruthless Feudal Lords, crushed peasantry classes and witches outcast of society and an almost unforgiving struggle for existence that lead people to do shitty things. But hey, it's not dark fantasy and also not medieval. Sorry, but the more people with your point of view try to portray this or that character as inherently ''evil'', specially Morrigan, the more ridiculous it seems. You also forget that Morrigan can also have the ''redemption'' with a high approval friendship, not only with a romance. And you also seem to have problems with the fact that Morrigan is romanceable or with the fact that Alistair enters the scenario with huge confidence problems (which has nothing to do with ''hating'' him because ''he's not alpha''). Let feminism aside when playing games, it'll do you good. Nah, I just hate her, and want to kill her. Peeps who wanted to romance and friend her got their jollies. Now I want mine. Optional is optional. Peeps can kill Alistair, I want to kill Morrigan. Were I a feminist, I'd love Morrigan. Well I'm sorry for u pal but... M O R R I G A N / / / I S / / / E T E R N A L
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 18:27:24 GMT
Nah, I just hate her, and want to kill her. Peeps who wanted to romance and friend her got their jollies. Now I want mine. Optional is optional. Peeps can kill Alistair, I want to kill Morrigan. Were I a feminist, I'd love Morrigan. Well I'm sorry for u pal but... M O R R I G A N / / / I S / / / E T E R N A L Well, than I'll save myself a few bucks and stop buying DA games. The hope of killing her was the only thing that made me look at DA4.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 22, 2017 19:54:56 GMT
My Brosca didn't romance anyone - I couldn't see him with any of them. If only there was a dwarf romance option!
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Post by Catilina on Jul 22, 2017 19:58:39 GMT
My Brosca didn't romance anyone - I couldn't see him with any of them. If only there was a dwarf romance option! This whole series lack of dwarf romance... shame!
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 22, 2017 20:04:41 GMT
My Brosca didn't romance anyone - I couldn't see him with any of them. If only there was a dwarf romance option! This whole series lack of dwarf romance... shame! Apart from Gorim, I guess, but that didn't last long. Sigrun and Varric could have been great ones.
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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 30, 2017 6:30:16 GMT
Origins has had my favorite romances of any Bioware game. Leliana and her song still give me shivers. And the emotion felt in Morrigan's voice when she leaves and finally give in to the Warden's declaration of love gave me goosebumps.
All that, coupled with the intimate quiet of the party camp, mad for some epic moments.
Nothing in any other game has come close to matching it.
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Post by vindur on Jul 31, 2017 18:27:07 GMT
Origins has had my favorite romances of any Bioware game. Leliana and her song still give me shivers. And the emotion felt in Morrigan's voice when she leaves and finally give in to the Warden's declaration of love gave me goosebumps. All that, coupled with the intimate quiet of the party camp, mad for some epic moments. Nothing in any other game has come close to matching it. So true. DA2 romances feel like a bad imitation of Origins ones, and DAI romances are just... not enough. Thy have the thrill of the beginning but they have almost absolute 0 development
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 4, 2017 6:35:20 GMT
Morrigan easily. She's the most interesting and dynamic romance for a male Warden. Leiliena is fine in DAO even if a bit strange at times. But I think she gets weaker as a character in DA2 and DAO. Where as I love the development Morrigan received by DAI. I really liked how fondly she spoke of her Warden and how attached she is to her child.
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Post by valkyrja on Aug 6, 2017 4:32:12 GMT
I'm actually really impressed Zev is coming second in this poll. Normally when these spring up (at least back on the old forums) he was always dead last. Glad he's more appreciated these days 
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