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Post by Syv on Jan 9, 2019 0:39:12 GMT
I don't think she has low self esteem. It's quite the opposite. Have you already picked the option " I know now why you are alone " ( or something like that ) instead of trying to appeal to her ideal ? She has very high expectations, she is self righteous, she knows it and admits it herself. She knows what she wants, and she wants the ideal or nothing at all regardless of what might think the inquisitor even if he is romantically interested. Let's do it my way and that's it. She thinks it isn't worth it to plan anything between them as long as the inquisitor hasn't given her what she wants, her ideal. If you plan to break with her before the scene with the poetry, you start with " can we talk about us " ? and she imediately answers : " Us ? There is no us inquisitor " making her point clear that as long as you haven't accomplished what she wants, there won't be anything between them. That doesn't give me at all the feeling that she has low self esteem, even if she admires the inquisitor. I'm sorry, but people with low self esteem can come across as exactly that, in desperate attempts to avoid having their feelings hurt. Trust me. "There is no us" is a skin deep comment, it is her using a facade of bluster to hide any potential disappointment. Yes, she is a sappy romantic, and wants all the sappy romantic things. That is hardly unreasonable for anyone who is serious about wanting to be with her. Cassandra is very a very traditional woman. It is the mans job to woo and court the woman. You don't have to like that, and thats fine. But that is hardly by any measure unreasonable. Cassandra is a very confident individual, she knows what she wants and expects to get it. But she is also in a lot of ways a contradiction, because she is afraid of being rejected, which is why she constantly insists nothing exists until she sees it for herself. She cannot let herself believe it is real until it is. There is nothing wrong with this, because we as people are all contradictory about something, wether we want to admit it or not. You are of course free to continue to view her as a cold arrogant woman who does not care at all and is doing you a favor by allowing you to date her if you go meet her completely unreasonable expections. You are well withing your rights to see anyone however you want. But if THAT is what you took away from Cassandra Pentaghast...then in my opinion, you didn't learn a thing about her.
She isn't a cold arrogant woman. Nobody claimed that except yourself. But yes, she is self righteous. And she admits it herself. Her own words. She is honest about her character, you can try too, if it pleases you. Her behavior is self righteous at this moment even if you consider it normal for a girl.
<< My heart. it yearns for these things I cannot have. If you cannot see that, then desist. >>
<< I think too much of myself to settle for less >>
From the mouth of Cassandra. Are you sure that it is me that just wants to see what I want ? Not sure why you might think I have hostile feelings toward Cassandra, I merely have just given my opinion based on what she said and how she behaved. My comment was mostly neutral.
I don't think it is about being afraid of being rejected or not, especially when the Inquisitor is making his point to insist. I don't think it's about believing something or not from the Inquisitor. She knows that the inquisitor can be obviously romantically interested while surprised and she admits it herself, even by denying that right to him because they have important things to do, especially he as the inquisitor.
It's just that to her eyes, he must accomplish what she needs first too. It's almost irrationally necessary. He must be worth of her and of her ideal. She can't settle for less. She claimed it herself. She know she is self righteous with that, but she is okay with that. Either you accept it, << either you desist. >> She is clear with that. This is about what aspires Cassandra, what she dreams of, the ideal. Yes. It's not about low esteem or being afraid of being rejeted.
She wants what other girly girls might have, and she doesn't want to compromise that, regardless of what the inquisitor thinks, even if romantically interested toward her, again. Yes, he has to show to what point he cares about her though, yes, on that we can agree. But you cannot deny the rest to be honest.
And no, she is totally okay with breaking up with the inquisitor at that point, because that simply means he isn't worthy of her ideal that she can't compromise, again, it's not about being proved he cares about her.
-- By the way, I never claimed I didn't like to woo and court ladies, on the opposite. I love that. I love my characters doing so. Nothing in my post pretended the opposite. Not sure how you came to that conclusion. But if you really want to know what I feel about that, I'm just way more interested to woo and court ladies that when it comes from myself, because I want to, and not when it is required with very high expectations that don't even fit me, and even a guide that tells me exactly what is needed. I'd rather a girl tells me what she likes, so I can surprise her, like Josephine, than one requiring me to do one specific thing to get something from her, as if I was a puppet with whom she could do anything.
[ After it depends how it happens. Morrigan required me a compliment from her to expect a kiss, I was willing to do so, because it was seductive and she was obviously flirting, not demanding. I also likes to choose the compliment toward my own character as option, just to make her laugh. ]
I just think that was a little inappropriate from Cassandra, even if I understand the irrational thought.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 9, 2019 1:26:07 GMT
I'm sorry, but people with low self esteem can come across as exactly that, in desperate attempts to avoid having their feelings hurt. Trust me. "There is no us" is a skin deep comment, it is her using a facade of bluster to hide any potential disappointment. Yes, she is a sappy romantic, and wants all the sappy romantic things. That is hardly unreasonable for anyone who is serious about wanting to be with her. Cassandra is very a very traditional woman. It is the mans job to woo and court the woman. You don't have to like that, and thats fine. But that is hardly by any measure unreasonable. Cassandra is a very confident individual, she knows what she wants and expects to get it. But she is also in a lot of ways a contradiction, because she is afraid of being rejected, which is why she constantly insists nothing exists until she sees it for herself. She cannot let herself believe it is real until it is. There is nothing wrong with this, because we as people are all contradictory about something, wether we want to admit it or not. You are of course free to continue to view her as a cold arrogant woman who does not care at all and is doing you a favor by allowing you to date her if you go meet her completely unreasonable expections. You are well withing your rights to see anyone however you want. But if THAT is what you took away from Cassandra Pentaghast...then in my opinion, you didn't learn a thing about her.
She isn't a cold arrogant woman. Nobody claimed that except yourself. But yes, she is self righteous. And she admits it herself. Her own words. She is honest about her character, you can try too, if it pleases you. Her behavior is self righteous at this moment even if you consider it normal for a girl.
<< My heart. it yearns for these things I cannot have. If you cannot see that, then desist. >>
<< I think too much of myself to settle for less >>
From the mouth of Cassandra. Are you sure that it is me that just wants to see what I want ? Not sure why you might think I have hostile feelings toward Cassandra, I merely have just given my opinion based on what she said and how she behaved. My comment was mostly neutral.
I don't think it is about being afraid of being rejected or not, especially when the Inquisitor is making his point to insist. I don't think it's about believing something or not from the Inquisitor. She knows that the inquisitor can be obviously romantically interested while surprised and she admits it herself, even by denying that right to him because they have important things to do, especially he as the inquisitor.
It's just that to her eyes, he must accomplish what she needs first too. It's almost irrationally necessary. He must be worth of her and of her ideal. She can't settle for less. She claimed it herself. She know she is self righteous with that, but she is okay with that. Either you accept it, << either you desist. >> She is clear with that. This is about what aspires Cassandra, what she dreams of, the ideal. Yes. It's not about low esteem or being afraid of being rejeted.
She wants what other girly girls might have, and she doesn't want to compromise that, regardless of what the inquisitor thinks, even if romantically interested toward her, again. Yes, he has to show to what point he cares about her though, yes, on that we can agree. But you cannot deny the rest to be honest.
And no, she is totally okay with breaking up with the inquisitor at that point, because that simply means he isn't worthy of her ideal that she can't compromise, again, it's not about being proved he cares about her.
-- By the way, I never claimed I didn't like to woo and court ladies, on the opposite. I love that. I love my characters doing so. Nothing in my post pretended the opposite. Not sure how you came to that conclusion. But if you really want to know what I feel about that, I'm just way more interested to woo and court ladies that when it comes from myself, because I want to, and not when it is required with very high expectations that don't even fit me, and even a guide that tells me exactly what is needed. I'd rather a girl tells me what she likes, so I can surprise her, like Josephine, than one requiring me to do one specific thing to get something from her, as if I was a puppet with whom she could do anything.
[ After it depends how it happens. Morrigan required me a compliment from her to expect a kiss, I was willing to do so, because it was seductive and she was obviously flirting, not demanding. I also likes to choose the compliment toward my own character as option, just to make her laugh. ]
I just think that was a little inappropriate from Cassandra, even if I understand the irrational thought.
I like Cassandra by the way. I never denied her confidence in genernal. In basically every aspect of life she is confidence personified. You could give her the nickname The Iron Lady and it would be fairly accurate. She is resolute and incorruptible. But I also reconize in her behaviors tell tale signs of blustery bravado when trying to compensate for something. I've seen her exact behaviors regarding romance in people I know very well, and those people had very low opinions of themselves purely in regards to romance. The slighty giddy, girlish manner in which she conducts herself towards you afterwards, all the way through Tresspasser is to me, a clear sign she has a soft mushy interior underneath that Iron Armor that is herself. it is also proof to me that she did not just suddenly love you because you gave her things. I think it is clear that different experiences have simply given us different interpretations of her behaviors, and that is something that is just going to be different it seems. Such is life right? it's always crazy how drastically different peoples opinions and interpretations of things are colored and changed by individual experience. |
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Post by Quickpaw on Jan 17, 2019 3:15:29 GMT
I think the problem you're having is the problem of the video game (and visual novel) romance "attraction" model, which does not translate AT ALL into the real world. Remember; the romance options HAVE to be attracted to you regardless of appearance or personality (headcanon or not), and based purely on A: Is the protagonist flirting with me? and B: Have they completed my quest objectives? Recent releases have added gender and sexual orientation to the program sure, but if you're the right gender again IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ELSE THERE IS ABOUT YOU.
So the "shallowness" of Cassandra's romance arc isn't really a problem with her or her personality specifically; but with video game programing limitations across the board. I mean you have to fight a bloody duel to win Josephine over, and almost every romancable character has quest objectives for you to finish before you can win them over completely.
That's not to say you're wrong per se; I just think you might not be aiming high enough (even if I think it's not something that can really improve).
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Post by phoray on Jan 18, 2019 1:07:03 GMT
Any Cass fans know when her soft lock is? I guess that it's on the ramparts when she confirms you're actually flirting with her.
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Post by degs29 on Feb 13, 2019 16:55:57 GMT
Cassandra, A tough as nails woman with a soft/sweet side? Yup. Definitely my favorite female LI Archetype  Seriously, though, she was my favorite LI in DA:I  Haha, same. There's nothing like getting a strong-willed, independent woman to open up and show her soft side. Both in games and in real life.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 7, 2019 10:37:37 GMT
Lin reminds me so much of Cassandra. Must be the smile.
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Post by Garo on May 27, 2020 23:46:38 GMT
Cassandra is a d o r a b l e. I just can't get over how cute it was to hear her read Varrick's book at the end of the Trespasser.
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Post by HabitsH on May 30, 2020 9:22:45 GMT
With regards to some of the comments posted regarding her romance story arc where she has high expectations and doesn't reciprocate much is based on how she views romance in the first place.
She yearns for the romance that, in her mind, is what the girly girls get. This romance is the courtly type of romance where the man does everything he can and gets down on one knee for a woman, who either accepts or rejects this but doesn't really do much more else in terms of reciprocation.
This is not very different from some women in real-life who have high expectations because they, on some level, believe that they're entitled to this.
CS Lewis in The Allegory Of Love puts it best: "...The sentiment, of course, is love, but love of a highly specialised sort...The lover is always abject. Obedience to his lady's lightestwish, however whimsical,and silent acquiescence in her rebukes, however unjust, are the only virtues he dares to claim. There is a service of love closely modelled on the service which a feudal vassal owes to his lord. The lover is the lady's 'man'. He addresses her as midons, which etymologically represents not 'my lady' but 'my lord'. The whole attitude has been rightly described as 'feudalisation of love'."
That's romantic courtly love in a nutshell and that's what Cassandra wants and expects it, deep down. Hence why she accepts the candles, flowers, banned poetry and the protagonist kneeling waiting for acceptance from her because that's 'romantic' but she doesn't accept the marriage proposal during Trespasser because it isn't 'romantic enough'.
She's a lot like the Iron Bull in this regard - Both have specific views and expectations on love & romance that may not be everyone's cup of tea.
It definitely wasn't my cup of tea which is why I preferred Josephine's romance over Cassandra even though I like Cassandra as a character a lot.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 18, 2020 17:57:10 GMT
I'm watching The Dragon Prince rn. I love mute Cassandra.  |
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Post by DemonArlEamon on Sept 13, 2020 20:11:08 GMT
Hello fellow Cassandra fans I recently got 2no. pieces of fan art commissioned of our favorite seeker that I'd like to share with you all  The first is a piece by Marceline2174 (on Tumblr & Twitter) showing a romanced Divine Cassandra with Trevelyan post trespasser reading one of Varric's books  The second is from Paragon Raptors (on Tumblr & Twitter) showing the couple embracing, with Cassandra in her Divine Armour.  Hope you guys enjoy! |
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 13, 2020 23:24:46 GMT
Hello fellow Cassandra fans  I recently got 2no. pieces of fan art commissioned of our favorite seeker that I'd like to share with you all Awww, these are lovely.
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Post by DemonArlEamon on Sept 14, 2020 21:03:38 GMT
Hello fellow Cassandra fans I recently got 2no. pieces of fan art commissioned of our favorite seeker that I'd like to share with you all Awww, these are lovely. I'm glad you enjoyed them both Marceline & Paragon make great art! I really like the concept behind what Cassandra becoming Divine means for her romance with the Inquisitor, but I was disappointed with how little unique "Divine" exclusive romance content there was in the main game & in Trespasser. I understand that Bioware had to write it in a way that it was 90% the same as her regular romance route, with only a couple of lines here & there being different. But I feel that this restriction really hampered where they could have gone with it. Every other romance had one main "state" whereas Cassandra had 2 very different ones. My personal headcanon is that they still love each other, but their duties keep them apart a lot + makes most of the life they wanted to build together impossible, so they have to take what time they can to be together in secret. I know DA4 is 3 or 4 years away, but a comment on the status of their relationship from the Inquisitor if they are an NPC in the next game, would be very cool IMO.
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Post by DemonArlEamon on Oct 4, 2020 20:55:05 GMT
A quick question for you guys who played Trespasser with a romanced Cassandra as Divine.
For me she refers to my Inquisitor as her love in the cinematic dialogue, but nowhere else is the romance acknowledged.
Her letter "Cassandra and the Last Few Years" didn't have the romance addendum added to the bottom of the letter.
& with the regular shoulder cam dialogue, she refers to my Inquisitor as her friend rather than her love.
I saw a youtube video of her Divine romance route where this wasn't the case at all. Is this a glitch with my save file? If so do you guys know a way of getting around it?
I'm playing on the steam version & this bug really hampered my enjoyment of the DLC. Just wondering if any other players experienced the same thing.
Thanks guys.
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Post by Mithras on Oct 7, 2020 23:12:54 GMT
It's been some time since I last played Trespasser but I distinctly remember more mentions of the romance. For instance, if she is taken along to the Deep Roads. It sounds like a glitch. Did you get the "Marriage" convo?
Also, love the images. Male Trevelyan never gets any love.
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Post by DemonArlEamon on Oct 16, 2020 20:03:58 GMT
It's been some time since I last played Trespasser but I distinctly remember more mentions of the romance. For instance, if she is taken along to the Deep Roads. It sounds like a glitch. Did you get the "Marriage" convo? Also, love the images. Male Trevelyan never gets any love. Glad you like the images, the artists did a fantastic job! I wouldn't say Male Trev doesn't get any love amongst the fandom, he is the most popular character people ship Cassandra with (I think). That's based on my understanding anyway, maybe fem inquisitor has him beat in fanfic count I re-installed & just finished Trespasser a few moments ago, it wasn't as bugged as before thankfully. I got all the romance content with Divine Cassandra with the exception of the romance letter addendum she writes in the "Cassandra the past 2 years" codex entry. I thought for a second it bugged out again in the epilogue slides where it shows her as Divine, then all sweaty in the mountains rebuilding the Seekers, then back as Divine again where she is smiling over her shoulder at the Inquisitor.  Somehow I think she doesn't have the time to strip off the robes, roll up her sleeves & go to the mountains for some good old manual labor  Even though I wish there was more exclusive content for her Divine romance path, I was pleased with what we got in the end. Some other fans have interpreted the Inq x Divine Cass romance as a pair of "star crossed lovers" who are destined to be kept apart & I totally see where they are coming from. I just get the impression that they are still together. Not in the ideal way that both of them want, but that they still love each other & will take their moments together when they can. I much prefer the drama of the Divine route over the normal one so maybe I am just trying to have my cake & eat it too.
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Post by DemonArlEamon on Nov 1, 2020 23:53:49 GMT
An amazing piece of commissioned artwork of Cassandra, the artist is the amazing soffa "@kelpo_cereal" on Twitter & "manusia-no-31" on Deviant art. Art is shared with his permission.  |
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Post by Silvery on Feb 1, 2021 18:10:39 GMT
Stumbled on Cassandra in Anna Henrietta's dress. (She's from the Witcher 3 Blood and Wine DLC)  Source |
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Post by DemonArlEamon on Mar 29, 2021 17:55:04 GMT
Hey guys, I've got more Cassandra waifu art to share with you Here is the second Cassandra x Trevelyan piece I commissioned by the great Paragon Raptors (on Tumblr & Twitter) Its set just after the Inquisitor looses his left arm during the Trespasser DLC, in my canon it had to be amputated by sword after Solas removed the anchor. Both Trev & Cassandra are receiving medical attention after the final fight with the Qunari + the amputation of his left arm. They are both just relieved their respective lover is still alive so they don't care how rough they look. Cuts, bruises and all Hope you guys like it & be sure to check out Paragon Raptors content when you get the chance.  |
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Post by Quickpaw on Mar 31, 2021 0:23:08 GMT
She really reminds me of Cara Dune (issues with her actor aside) in this picture, I really like it.
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