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Post by 10k on Mar 28, 2017 3:16:47 GMT
To tell you the truth I am one of those people. I just think it's time for ME to be done. I'm having fun with Andromeda, but it has missed the mark big time. I can't help but compare it to the trilogy; and when comparing it, it just fails. It's fun, but IMHO it doesn't live up to the name that's printed on the game case.
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Post by Monica21 on Mar 28, 2017 3:16:51 GMT
And yes, there was a time when games came out bug free or maybe a couple of bugs. False. Or at least a false equivalence. I don't know what bug free games you think were playing, unless it was at an arcade or Pong at home, but cRPGs have shipped with bugs always. The problem with your statement is that games are much more complex than they were 20 years ago, and they're much easier to patch. A weird animation is not the same thing as "broken." And yeah, so? Maybe it will get patched and maybe not, but I'll still enjoy my playthrough. You do know that you're not an an Applebee's, right? You're talking about software, not an undercooked burger.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 28, 2017 3:18:37 GMT
I will say this in all honesty: I still love Bioware. I let them into my heart knowing that one day they could break it. Yeah, my heart is broken with a few bad hires and choices, but there are people working with a lot of LOVE for the franchises and they're not to blame for the company's offering, but they're at risk of losing their jobs. Edmonton is a tough place to live and Montreal is no picnic. Sorry, that's my opinion and I've spent enough time there to understand those cities struggle, with polite dignity, and jobs are scarce. Austin is growing and contracting at once. It's filled to capacity and a lot of jobs are leaving Austin due to local politics. Again, the jobs are scarce. So, personally, I know Bioware will deliver what it promised before EA acquired it or die trying.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 3:23:04 GMT
I think that some people still think they can convince (i.e. push/force) Bioware into redoing ME3 to change the endings. (See other thread on this forum proposing this exact thing.) I would settle for ME4 with Shep again. Lazarus worked once, why not again ;( Why couldn't Shep and those who survived moved to the Andromeda Galaxy with Blaxo (SP)as a new companion and some other new ones? New weapons, new skills, new powers and a mode above insanity (still to easy) as in nightmare mode. I understand about moving on, however same as Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, Milamber and a plethora of other franchises, why not simply expand on the same and reinvigorate without a complete change. I'm watching 24 legacy at the moment. Still don't know why. In fact, you could say that 24 is MET and 24 legacy is MEA.
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 28, 2017 3:31:38 GMT
So, on topic and I think I've said it before. If the game doesn't fail, EA/Bioware will think everything is great just like UBIsoft does when they bring out their buggy, poor games or the next call of duty, because people like yourself who are content with the game which isn't an issue liking the game, are happy to keep on buying the next version. Why would EA, someone who just want to monetize every game by having a way to sell in game credits, want to improve, if people like you and the rest of the defenders just accept everything and blot out all the negativity and even worse like your trying to do, stop people from posting negative things. So how does a gaming company/publisher know when people aren't really happy? By the game not selling to their projections. And how does that happen, when people like me don't buy it. You ever heard of tough love? That's what's needed around here. Demanding more for your pound/dollar/euro etc. Do you know what's even more laughable, forget the content, forget the facial animations, forget the dialogue, why are people happy to spend money on an obviously buggy rushed game? Not just this game but any game? And yes, there was a time when games came out bug free or maybe a couple of bugs. Now we have broken systems, animation but people like you just say fine, it will be patched. You do know that you are the consumer and can demand more? Maybe you don't. I can tell you dropping sales means nothing to publishers or devs. Halo for example has dropped in sales by 7+ million the last ten years, each game literally regressing game by game by game. Call of duty has as well but at a slower pace. Point being what makes you think if EA/bioware lose money that they'd just stop what people dislike? It's an honest question cuz much of the industry really don't give a damn. I could give more examples as well, heck you even mentioned Ubisoft who have kissed sales yet everything stays the same yes? moving on: my own personal issue is people asking bioware to scrap the open world esq(cuz it's nkt a true open world) style set on exploration, and then hearing those people say this isn't what people wanted when that's entirely false, I've wanted it ever since ME2 went away from that when ME1 did have that. It's quite insulting to have people say I'm accepting mediocrity over a preference of style when it comes to open world esq or corridor style maps with little to no exploration. I then even have seen some say andromeda is more if a shooter, yet they ignore the puzzles, the character interactions(which is under achieving this game), the exploration it offers, I honesty don't see it as more of a shooter but more of an rog, and that's something people can't change my mind on regardless if they like it or not. My point is I dislike people condemning others over a style preference, which you could blame bioware for it being how they've done both styles twice now so you then get people liking one over the other. i can 110% understand you when it comes to people downplaying bad animations, the 100s of bugs (and some have pissed me (off), the so-so story (some would say it outright sucks, I say it's worse than what I expected but still better than most story games out there), poor UI system, a dialogue system that makes me miss the original, I could go on. I understand the games faults, but I still enjoy it and just can't and people condemning others for that, they're labeled as people who accept mediocrity when to me we just have a more open mind and can tolerate more, I still accept and full well know the flaws and cults the game carries. I wanted this game to be the best, sadly it isn't. truth be told, there is proof even devs who do fine and get great sales still put in effort to make the next game better, look at CD red as one example, old bioware during their hey days, halo and CoD when they first started out. so I don't see why you'd think the only way a dev would improve is by tanking their sales/profits, I mean yea it might work for the stubborn devs, but as I said above, there's many prime examples where that doesn't do anything. A dev will only change if they see it as an isssue, and even then some of these guys lose millions yet they aren't intimidated by the slightest. I still understand your point though. For me personally, I wish for Bioware to show contrition and admit they fucked up more than I want their sales to hurt. But it feels like they are oblivious to the problem, and keep making statements like how millions of people are loving the game just fine, therefore everything they did is justified and vindicated. That's why I think some people wants it to be a commercial flop, because that's seems to be no other way to get the message across that we want better
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 3:32:26 GMT
And yes, there was a time when games came out bug free or maybe a couple of bugs. False. Or at least a false equivalence. I don't know what bug free games you think were playing, unless it was at an arcade or Pong at home, but cRPGs have shipped with bugs always. The problem with your statement is that games are much more complex than they were 20 years ago, and they're much easier to patch. A weird animation is not the same thing as "broken." And yeah, so? Maybe it will get patched and maybe not, but I'll still enjoy my playthrough. You do know that you're not an an Applebee's, right? You're talking about software, not an undercooked burger. Ahh, so my statement is false because you've obviously played every game I've played or every game released? So because games are more complex, I've got to accept bugs? Nope I don't have to accept hence why I don't buy until fixed. That's if I'm pre warned of cause. The days where I have to have something day one are long long gone. Plenty of games to play that are now at the state they should have been at release. Ahh, so when I buy software that isn't doing what it's supposed to do, I shouldn't really demand a finished product because it is software? So my money is there money if I buy a product that I'm not happy with because of bugs and stuff? Why does Origin or Steam have a refund process? We as a society do seem to be accepting of a lot of things that were not happy about. You maybe happy, but it's obvious that a lot aren't. I'm not seeing this amount of dislike for games like Witcher 3, Zelda, Nier, Nioh, Persona 5, Horizons, Last of Us. Wonder why that is?
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 3:39:25 GMT
I can tell you dropping sales means nothing to publishers or devs. Halo for example has dropped in sales by 7+ million the last ten years, each game literally regressing game by game by game. Call of duty has as well but at a slower pace. Point being what makes you think if EA/bioware lose money that they'd just stop what people dislike? It's an honest question cuz much of the industry really don't give a damn. I could give more examples as well, heck you even mentioned Ubisoft who have kissed sales yet everything stays the same yes? moving on: my own personal issue is people asking bioware to scrap the open world esq(cuz it's nkt a true open world) style set on exploration, and then hearing those people say this isn't what people wanted when that's entirely false, I've wanted it ever since ME2 went away from that when ME1 did have that. It's quite insulting to have people say I'm accepting mediocrity over a preference of style when it comes to open world esq or corridor style maps with little to no exploration. I then even have seen some say andromeda is more if a shooter, yet they ignore the puzzles, the character interactions(which is under achieving this game), the exploration it offers, I honesty don't see it as more of a shooter but more of an rog, and that's something people can't change my mind on regardless if they like it or not. My point is I dislike people condemning others over a style preference, which you could blame bioware for it being how they've done both styles twice now so you then get people liking one over the other. i can 110% understand you when it comes to people downplaying bad animations, the 100s of bugs (and some have pissed me (off), the so-so story (some would say it outright sucks, I say it's worse than what I expected but still better than most story games out there), poor UI system, a dialogue system that makes me miss the original, I could go on. I understand the games faults, but I still enjoy it and just can't and people condemning others for that, they're labeled as people who accept mediocrity when to me we just have a more open mind and can tolerate more, I still accept and full well know the flaws and cults the game carries. I wanted this game to be the best, sadly it isn't. truth be told, there is proof even devs who do fine and get great sales still put in effort to make the next game better, look at CD red as one example, old bioware during their hey days, halo and CoD when they first started out. so I don't see why you'd think the only way a dev would improve is by tanking their sales/profits, I mean yea it might work for the stubborn devs, but as I said above, there's many prime examples where that doesn't do anything. A dev will only change if they see it as an isssue, and even then some of these guys lose millions yet they aren't intimidated by the slightest. I still understand your point though. For me personally, I wish for Bioware to show contrition and admit they fucked up more than I want their sales to hurt. But it feels like they are oblivious to the problem, and keep making statements like how millions of people are loving the game just fine, therefore everything they did is justified and vindicated. That's why I think some people wants it to be a commercial flop, because that's seems to be no other way to get the message across that we want better I'm not asking for any contrition as they definitely won't as a company admit any faults about the game but will say they're working an patches etc. Normal gaming speak. Millions of people will be playing the game, it the amount of millions that is the key but I think everyone one of the devs and the higher ups at EA will have seen, read and watch some of the youtube vids and will not be happy at all. Big test for me about how good a games is when they hit the used game shops and when they start discounting both the new and pre owned. I think this game has failed even if it sells well. Mud sticks and with all the negative press it's got, I'm not sure what can be done to save it. Even if all the bugs are fixed, you still have MEA.
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Post by unwanted on Mar 28, 2017 5:24:29 GMT
Just watched a few vids that show the reason for all of this ugliness is down to some feminist swj, or what ever they call themselves. If this is true then it's criminal how they have been allowed to do so much damage to a franchise that is so loved the world over.
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Post by vondodo on Mar 28, 2017 7:24:34 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? First post here (but i play ME from the first and bought all Bioware similar games), sad it will be a critic. I love ME series...i read professional reviews and i thougt they were exhaggerating there were 3 games i had to chose between and yet i went on with ME despite the reviews. When i got the game i found they were right on point. This game has relevant TECHNICAL and design flaws that suggests a strong lack of experience and professionality in the field. Some of the worse mistakes are well known and avoided by basically any software house with little experience... I could still get along with that but the worse part is when you notice they tried to forcefeed some of their extremist ideals to the players. That is not only ethically debatable but also ruins a game already full of flaws and this is the worse guilt because could and that should have been avoided :|. In few words.... they hired people belonging to some extremist groups rather than for meritocracy, maybe possibly for merketing reasons, and it backfired... I'd rather not seeing another ME again (despite i love it) than seeing other games ruined this way. P.S: consider that you can't minimize a critic if its shared even by most professional reviews (many hinted at it clearly).
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 28, 2017 7:38:19 GMT
To tell you the truth I am one of those people. I just think it's time for ME to be done. I'm having fun with Andromeda, but it has missed the mark big time. I can't help but compare it to the trilogy; and when comparing it, it just fails. It's fun, but IMHO it doesn't live up to the name that's printed on the game case. Does it really have to though? Does Deep Space Nine live up to the name of The Next Generation? Or The Force Awakens to a New Hope? Does Final Fantasy VII have to be in the same realm or the same story as XV? Can it be possible to have different incarnations in the same universe, with different styles, tones, settings and similar conflicts all connecting them as the cohesive part of the franchise? The trilogy is over, but Mass Effect is trying to move beyond the trilogy now. This is where that baggage comes from, and it's going to be a struggle, but it can be done. It will likely be done, I doubt Mass Effect is ending any time soon.
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Post by Destructive Deer on Mar 28, 2017 9:01:10 GMT
Just watched a few vids that show the reason for all of this ugliness is down to some feminist swj, or what ever they call themselves. If this is true then it's criminal how they have been allowed to do so much damage to a franchise that is so loved the world over. I think it's criminal that people still think that "muh SJW's" are the fault for... well... everything apparently. I don't like SJWs either, but to put the blame of all of Andromeda's shortcomings on people with differing political views is just immature, it's nothing more than looking for an easy scapegoat.
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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 9:29:53 GMT
Lebanese Dude, I see your allergic to hyperbole... Well, take some benadryl because I want to unleash some more bad hyperbole-filled fan fiction. You mean you're going to start another session of Andromeda?
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Post by vondodo on Mar 28, 2017 11:16:45 GMT
Just watched a few vids that show the reason for all of this ugliness is down to some feminist swj, or what ever they call themselves. If this is true then it's criminal how they have been allowed to do so much damage to a franchise that is so loved the world over. I think it's criminal that people still think that "muh SJW's" are the fault for... well... everything apparently. I don't like SJWs either, but to put the blame of all of Andromeda's shortcomings on people with differing political views is just immature, it's nothing more than looking for an easy scapegoat. You can't blame them for all MEA problems. But at the same time you can t even ignore many seems to be related. And that is harder to forgive because, if you do, you give credit to a Dangerous trend. Its way more immature to not be concerned with them. Obviously in the proper measure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:28:13 GMT
I think that some people still think they can convince (i.e. push/force) Bioware into redoing ME3 to change the endings. (See other thread on this forum proposing this exact thing.) I would settle for ME4 with Shep again. Lazarus worked once, why not again ;( Why couldn't Shep and those who survived moved to the Andromeda Galaxy with Blaxo (SP)as a new companion and some other new ones? New weapons, new skills, new powers and a mode above insanity (still to easy) as in nightmare mode. I understand about moving on, however same as Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, Milamber and a plethora of other franchises, why not simply expand on the same and reinvigorate without a complete change. I'm watching 24 legacy at the moment. Still don't know why. In fact, you could say that 24 is MET and 24 legacy is MEA. You/re missing the point... The point is that certain fans have felt for 5 long years that they can bully this company into submission to change the ME3 endings and they're doing it by "bullying" other fans who state they like the game on forums such as the old BSN and now this one. They started dumping on the concept of ME:A long before the game was released and have continued to dump on it to excess (i.e. disproportionately to its actual flaws) throughout this pre-release and release period. They heap negativity on every single fan who comes here and has simply stated that they like either the ME3 endings (and there are many who have said that) and now ME:A. They have a grudge against Bioware... one that they have held for 5 years. The proof is in the thread that now purports to propose "saving" the franchise by changing ME3's ending after metabombing ME:A and harassing individual Bioware employees. How arrogant can they be? IMO, they are the ones ripping the creative heart out of Bioware and killing the franchise itself. Level headed criticism is one thing... this is something far more sinister. I don't think we'll ever see a remaster of the Trilogy; and personally, I think this time they may have actually succeeding in killing the franchise.
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 28, 2017 11:30:33 GMT
To tell you the truth I am one of those people. I just think it's time for ME to be done. I'm having fun with Andromeda, but it has missed the mark big time. I can't help but compare it to the trilogy; and when comparing it, it just fails. It's fun, but IMHO it doesn't live up to the name that's printed on the game case. Does it really have to though? Does Deep Space Nine live up to the name of The Next Generation? Or The Force Awakens to a New Hope? Does Final Fantasy VII have to be in the same realm or the same story as XV? Can it be possible to have different incarnations in the same universe, with different styles, tones, settings and similar conflicts all connecting them as the cohesive part of the franchise? The trilogy is over, but Mass Effect is trying to move beyond the trilogy now. This is where that baggage comes from, and it's going to be a struggle, but it can be done. It will likely be done, I doubt Mass Effect is ending any time soon. It's really funny that you chose those examples. DS9 was the best star trek show, period. Force Awaken really sucked hard, and it's the movie that ruined the franchise for me.
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Post by Monica21 on Mar 28, 2017 12:15:27 GMT
Ahh, so my statement is false because you've obviously played every game I've played or every game released? Of course that's not why your statement is false. I told you why it was false. It's false because it's factually untrue that "games used to be released without bugs." And you didn't name a game that was released without bugs, which leads me to further believe that you're just blowing smoke. I'm not your video game police, so you can accept what you want to accept. I told you why things happened. If you were not able, based on your video gaming experience, to pre-suppose that Andromeda would have bugs, then I don't know what to tell you, except that you should probably start expecting that every video game you're interested in will have bugs. Problem solved! That day never existed. You never had to buy a video game. You were never required to. Stop acting like Bioware gave you Rohipnal. I can only presume this means that you will spend your time playing those games instead of wasting your time on a forum complaining about a product you don't like. Do you know that a response is more than just a long string of questions validating your choices? Interesting that you've talked to all of society. Andromeda's greatest failing is that it's not a Bioware Apology Tour for the ending of Mass Effect 3. I can't count the number of posts I've read that shit on ME2 and ME3, and people still buy the product. I don't care about comparing this game to other games, because it's not other games. It's a Bioware game and it's a Mass Effect game. It's just not the Mass Effect game you wanted to play. The problem is not Bioware.
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Post by Destructive Deer on Mar 28, 2017 13:04:01 GMT
I think it's criminal that people still think that "muh SJW's" are the fault for... well... everything apparently. I don't like SJWs either, but to put the blame of all of Andromeda's shortcomings on people with differing political views is just immature, it's nothing more than looking for an easy scapegoat. You can't blame them for all MEA problems. But at the same time you can t even ignore many seems to be related. And that is harder to forgive because, if you do, you give credit to a Dangerous trend. Its way more immature to not be concerned with them. Obviously in the proper measure. I can certainly ignore it, because it's not as related as you might think. SJWs aren't that powerful.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 28, 2017 13:16:12 GMT
Some hope it fails, thinking the developers will then learn, and make the games better next time around. Others just hate Bioware, for various reasons. Complain about SJW stuff, or the ending of ME3, etc. Hating on Andromeda also seems to be the popular thing to do right now. People like jumping on the bandwagon.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 28, 2017 13:18:25 GMT
Does it really have to though? Does Deep Space Nine live up to the name of The Next Generation? Or The Force Awakens to a New Hope? Does Final Fantasy VII have to be in the same realm or the same story as XV? Can it be possible to have different incarnations in the same universe, with different styles, tones, settings and similar conflicts all connecting them as the cohesive part of the franchise? The trilogy is over, but Mass Effect is trying to move beyond the trilogy now. This is where that baggage comes from, and it's going to be a struggle, but it can be done. It will likely be done, I doubt Mass Effect is ending any time soon. It's really funny that you chose those examples. DS9 was the best star trek show, period. Force Awaken really sucked hard, and it's the movie that ruined the franchise for me. And yet both are examples regardless of what I'm talking about.
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Post by tziwen on Mar 28, 2017 13:18:58 GMT
Ahh, so my statement is false because you've obviously played every game I've played or every game released? Of course that's not why your statement is false. I told you why it was false. It's false because it's factually untrue that "games used to be released without bugs." And you didn't name a game that was released without bugs, which leads me to further believe that you're just blowing smoke. I'm not your video game police, so you can accept what you want to accept. I told you why things happened. If you were not able, based on your video gaming experience, to pre-suppose that Andromeda would have bugs, then I don't know what to tell you, except that you should probably start expecting that every video game you're interested in will have bugs. Problem solved! That day never existed. You never had to buy a video game. You were never required to. Stop acting like Bioware gave you Rohipnal. I can only presume this means that you will spend your time playing those games instead of wasting your time on a forum complaining about a product you don't like. Do you know that a response is more than just a long string of questions validating your choices? Interesting that you've talked to all of society. Andromeda's greatest failing is that it's not a Bioware Apology Tour for the ending of Mass Effect 3. I can't count the number of posts I've read that shit on ME2 and ME3, and people still buy the product. I don't care about comparing this game to other games, because it's not other games. It's a Bioware game and it's a Mass Effect game. It's just not the Mass Effect game you wanted to play. The problem is not Bioware. This... This person strikes hard but in an very accurate way. And it throws me back to ME3 ending shitstorm. That the ending is good or not wasn't the point nor what was shocking players. What was the real problem to the community -same here- never got what they wanted/expected. And here what? A great hourray with a Shepard clone doing lots of "winks winks" at the camera with Garrus coming back from cryo? All these rants about bugs and facial animation are valid: There're problems here but the proportion it takes is ridiculous. This is just here as a pretext to bash on BW and EA for not giving the people what the people wanted... And you know what? They're punished for trying new things: New engine, New characters, New galaxy, new world and game design, etc... Do everything work perfectly? No. But if you punish a studio for trying to put some innovation in their games... You'll be ranting in 5 years because BW always do the same game again and again. Some fair critisms are lost amoung moaning people that are openly saying they never recovered from ME3 and still are mad about it. Go back to your youtube and your memes where being "cool" and "savy" is to loop bugs and clunky animations.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 13:19:21 GMT
Ahh, so my statement is false because you've obviously played every game I've played or every game released? Of course that's not why your statement is false. I told you why it was false. It's false because it's factually untrue that "games used to be released without bugs." And you didn't name a game that was released without bugs, which leads me to further believe that you're just blowing smoke. I'm not your video game police, so you can accept what you want to accept. I told you why things happened. If you were not able, based on your video gaming experience, to pre-suppose that Andromeda would have bugs, then I don't know what to tell you, except that you should probably start expecting that every video game you're interested in will have bugs. Problem solved! That day never existed. You never had to buy a video game. You were never required to. Stop acting like Bioware gave you Rohipnal. I can only presume this means that you will spend your time playing those games instead of wasting your time on a forum complaining about a product you don't like. Do you know that a response is more than just a long string of questions validating your choices? Interesting that you've talked to all of society. Andromeda's greatest failing is that it's not a Bioware Apology Tour for the ending of Mass Effect 3. I can't count the number of posts I've read that shit on ME2 and ME3, and people still buy the product. I don't care about comparing this game to other games, because it's not other games. It's a Bioware game and it's a Mass Effect game. It's just not the Mass Effect game you wanted to play. The problem is not Bioware.You're whole post lost any credibility because of your last paragraph. Pity, would have love to respond to it all however seeing this makes me think it would be a waste.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 13:29:29 GMT
Of course that's not why your statement is false. I told you why it was false. It's false because it's factually untrue that "games used to be released without bugs." And you didn't name a game that was released without bugs, which leads me to further believe that you're just blowing smoke. I'm not your video game police, so you can accept what you want to accept. I told you why things happened. If you were not able, based on your video gaming experience, to pre-suppose that Andromeda would have bugs, then I don't know what to tell you, except that you should probably start expecting that every video game you're interested in will have bugs. Problem solved! That day never existed. You never had to buy a video game. You were never required to. Stop acting like Bioware gave you Rohipnal. I can only presume this means that you will spend your time playing those games instead of wasting your time on a forum complaining about a product you don't like. Do you know that a response is more than just a long string of questions validating your choices? Interesting that you've talked to all of society. Andromeda's greatest failing is that it's not a Bioware Apology Tour for the ending of Mass Effect 3. I can't count the number of posts I've read that shit on ME2 and ME3, and people still buy the product. I don't care about comparing this game to other games, because it's not other games. It's a Bioware game and it's a Mass Effect game. It's just not the Mass Effect game you wanted to play. The problem is not Bioware. This... This person strikes hard but in an very accurate way. And it throws me back to ME3 ending shitstorm. That the ending is good or not wasn't the point nor what was shocking players. What was the real problem to the community -same here- never got what they wanted/expected. And here what? A great hourray with a Shepard clone doing lots of "winks winks" at the camera with Garrus coming back from cryo? All these rants about bugs and facial animation are valid: There're problems here but the proportion it takes is ridiculous. This is just here as a pretext to bash on BW and EA for not giving the people what the people wanted... And you know what? They're punished for trying new things: New engine, New characters, New galaxy, new world and game design, etc... Do everything work perfectly? No. But if you punish a studio for trying to put some innovation in their games... You'll be ranting in 5 years because BW always do the same game again and again. Some fair critisms are lost amoung moaning people that are openly saying they never recovered from ME3 and still are mad about it. Go back to your youtube and your memes where being "cool" and "savy" is to loop bugs and clunky animations. see ain't you and others just as culpable and being just as ridiculous and jumping on the same bandwagon about all the people who hate the game hate by saying its all because of ME3s ending is the reason? Same people who jump on the it's all the SJWs faults for this game. It seems you and others need a reason why others don't like the games because you cannot accept that maybe people don't like it because it's meh. They're punished because the whole package is just okay. Some people don't like okay. Some people like don't like the technical issues. What about lack of saves? What about not much choice over what companions can do in battle? No where to compare different weapons? These plus the plethora or issues and bad choices by Bioware go towards people on disliking the games. Know what I'm seeing now, more posts of defenders saying it gets worse than people it says gets better after hours of play.
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Post by tziwen on Mar 28, 2017 13:33:35 GMT
So when somebody is doing an "okay" job he needs to be punished?
You do great you're rewarded, you do badly you're punished you do ok... A pat on the back and try to do better.
Basically you make no sense. If the whole package is okay -as you said- what's even the point in bitching and moaning?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 13:41:51 GMT
This... This person strikes hard but in an very accurate way. And it throws me back to ME3 ending shitstorm. That the ending is good or not wasn't the point nor what was shocking players. What was the real problem to the community -same here- never got what they wanted/expected. And here what? A great hourray with a Shepard clone doing lots of "winks winks" at the camera with Garrus coming back from cryo? All these rants about bugs and facial animation are valid: There're problems here but the proportion it takes is ridiculous. This is just here as a pretext to bash on BW and EA for not giving the people what the people wanted... And you know what? They're punished for trying new things: New engine, New characters, New galaxy, new world and game design, etc... Do everything work perfectly? No. But if you punish a studio for trying to put some innovation in their games... You'll be ranting in 5 years because BW always do the same game again and again. Some fair critisms are lost amoung moaning people that are openly saying they never recovered from ME3 and still are mad about it. Go back to your youtube and your memes where being "cool" and "savy" is to loop bugs and clunky animations. see ain't you and others just as culpable and being just as ridiculous and jumping on the same bandwagon about all the people who hate the game hate by saying its all because of ME3s ending is the reason? Same people who jump on the it's all the SJWs faults for this game. It seems you and others need a reason why others don't like the games because you cannot accept that maybe people don't like it because it's meh. They're punished because the whole package is just okay. Some people don't like okay. Some people like don't like the technical issues. What about lack of saves? What about not much choice over what companions can do in battle? No where to compare different weapons? These plus the plethora or issues and bad choices by Bioware go towards people on disliking the games. Know what I'm seeing now, more posts of defenders saying it gets worse than people it says gets better after hours of play. I see more "defenders" saying that valid criticisms are OK or even regularly saying things like "there are some issues here" than I here of negative nancies telling people it's OK to like the game even a little bit despite it flaws. From the negative nancies, we here comments like " It seems you and others need a reason why others don't like the games because you cannot accept that maybe people don't like it because it's meh." I can accept people saying they don't like the game because "it's meh" to them... but I don't accept other people telling me that it's unreasonable to like the game and not believe it's meh.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 13:48:19 GMT
So when somebody is doing an "okay" job he needs to be punished? You do great you're rewarded, you do badly you're punished you do ok... A pat on the back and try to do better. Basically you make no sense. If the whole package is okay -as you said- what's even the point in bitching and moaning? What is this punishment you talking about? If buy punishment you mean me not buying then yep okay means I punished them. Im bitching and moaning because ME shouldn't be okay it's should have been great. what makes no sense is you saying people don't like a game because of the ending of 3. Do you really think that ME fans want to hate Andromeda? I , like others ,we're looking forward to playing 100s of hours and tons of replays in a new ME world. New characters to get emotional about and new things to see. Because to some it's hasn't done this or done it well or even done it okay, is the reason people are not happy. this is what you and others fail to see and thus jump on the ME3 ending as the reason.
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