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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 13:56:38 GMT
So when somebody is doing an "okay" job he needs to be punished? You do great you're rewarded, you do badly you're punished you do ok... A pat on the back and try to do better. Basically you make no sense. If the whole package is okay -as you said- what's even the point in bitching and moaning? What is this punishment you talking about? If buy punishment you mean me not buying then yep okay means I punished them. Im bitching and moaning because ME shouldn't be okay it's should have been great. what makes no sense is you saying people don't like a game because of the ending of 3. Do you really think that ME fans want to hate Andromeda? I , like others ,we're looking forward to playing 100s of hours and tons of replays in a new ME world. New characters to get emotional about and new things to see. Because to some it's hasn't done this or done it well or even done it okay, is the reason people are not happy. this is what you and others fail to see and thus jump on the ME3 ending as the reason. Yes... some have been setting themselves up to hate this game ever since it was announced that it would not take place in the Milky Way... and they have been consistently posting towards that effort for 5 years... attacking and attacking the premise behind the game long before the premise was ever known... picking apart every potential avenue for a retcon when they knew absolutely that a retcon was necessary... even stating as much that they intended to be a thorn in Bioware's side until Bioware fixed the endings of ME3. Certainly, this doesn't apply to every ME fan. Lots of ME fans like ME:A as well, but there voices get drowned out in this sea of negativity that has plagued this franchise since the ME3 ending debacle... and, unfortunately, also has caused the employees of Bioware great levels of distress. Aaron Flynn even indicated in an interview that some Bioware employees had to seek therapy to deal with the stress. More recently, the fans openly harassed an employee on facebook merely because they believed she was responsible for the animations... and then they wonder where the creative "magic" left Bioware... it was driven out... by the fans. EA may or may not shut down Bioware because of a "flop" - but the will of these employees to try to create something magical is being lost (you can see it in their eyes when they are interviewed and the nervousness in their body language speaks volumes)... and I doubt that the franchise can recover from that loss.
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Post by brad2240 on Mar 28, 2017 14:07:47 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? First post here (but i play ME from the first and bought all Bioware similar games), sad it will be a critic. I love ME series...i read professional reviews and i thougt they were exhaggerating there were 3 games i had to chose between and yet i went on with ME despite the reviews. When i got the game i found they were right on point. This game has relevant TECHNICAL and design flaws that suggests a strong lack of experience and professionality in the field. Some of the worse mistakes are well known and avoided by basically any software house with little experience... I could still get along with that but the worse part is when you notice they tried to forcefeed some of their extremist ideals to the players.
That is not only ethically debatable but also ruins a game already full of flaws and this is the worse guilt because could and that should have been avoided :|. In few words.... they hired people belonging to some extremist groups rather than for meritocracy, maybe possibly for merketing reasons, and it backfired... I'd rather not seeing another ME again (despite i love it) than seeing other games ruined this way. P.S: consider that you can't minimize a critic if its shared even by most professional reviews (many hinted at it clearly). I am a straight, white male who is sick to death of the media trying to make me feel like I should apologize for being a straight, white male. Like I've done something wrong because of an accident of birth. Maybe I'm not open-minded enough, maybe I'm too sensitive to the issue, I don't know. But what I do know is that at no point does MEA make me feel like any kind of "extremist ideals" are forced on me. Not once. As to your last point there, how do you know why anyone was hired? How do you know Bioware, EA or whoever was aware of someone's political beliefs before hiring them? Or, if they did know, that it had any influence on that person's status as a potential employee? You don't know. Unless you provide verifiable proof of the goings on at BW, you don't know and you're just blowing hot air. It really boils my blood when people speak about developers' motivations or intentions like they have some intimate knowledge of the company. The reality is you're just trying to justify an angry and irrational opinion.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 14:22:08 GMT
What is this punishment you talking about? If buy punishment you mean me not buying then yep okay means I punished them. Im bitching and moaning because ME shouldn't be okay it's should have been great. what makes no sense is you saying people don't like a game because of the ending of 3. Do you really think that ME fans want to hate Andromeda? I , like others ,we're looking forward to playing 100s of hours and tons of replays in a new ME world. New characters to get emotional about and new things to see. Because to some it's hasn't done this or done it well or even done it okay, is the reason people are not happy. this is what you and others fail to see and thus jump on the ME3 ending as the reason. Yes... some have been setting themselves up to hate this game ever since it was announced that it would not take place in the Milky Way... and they have been consistently posting towards that effort for 5 years... attacking and attacking the premise behind the game long before the premise was ever known... picking apart every potential avenue for a retcon when they knew absolutely that a retcon was necessary... even stating as much that they intended to be a thorn in Bioware's side until Bioware fixed the endings of ME3. Certainly, this doesn't apply to every ME fan. Lots of ME fans like ME:A as well, but there voices get drowned out in this sea of negativity that has plagued this franchise since the ME3 ending debacle... and, unfortunately, also has caused the employees of Bioware great levels of distress. Aaron Flynn even indicated in an interview that some Bioware employees had to seek therapy to deal with the stress. More recently, the fans openly harassed an employee on facebook merely because they believed she was responsible for the animations... and then they wonder where the creative "magic" left Bioware... it was driven out... by the fans. EA may or may not shut down Bioware because of a "flop" - but the will of these employees to try to create something magical is being lost (you can see it in their eyes when they are interviewed and the nervousness in their body language speaks volumes)... and I doubt that the franchise can recover from that loss. Look, it's foolish to think that MEs ending or SJWs are the main reason critics, paid and unpaid reviewers and ME fans are the reason why the game is getting so much flak. Yes of course some of it will be exactly this but not to the extent the defenders want everyone to believe. I believe EA thinks money is not in single player games but in packs for multiplayer. Isn't it possible that a lot of issues in the game are due making sure combat is fast and fluid for multiplayer and make the single player game just okay? Just like ME3s ending could be a reason, so could this.
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 28, 2017 14:27:56 GMT
What is this punishment you talking about? If buy punishment you mean me not buying then yep okay means I punished them. Im bitching and moaning because ME shouldn't be okay it's should have been great. what makes no sense is you saying people don't like a game because of the ending of 3. Do you really think that ME fans want to hate Andromeda? I , like others ,we're looking forward to playing 100s of hours and tons of replays in a new ME world. New characters to get emotional about and new things to see. Because to some it's hasn't done this or done it well or even done it okay, is the reason people are not happy. this is what you and others fail to see and thus jump on the ME3 ending as the reason. Yes... some have been setting themselves up to hate this game ever since it was announced that it would not take place in the Milky Way... and they have been consistently posting towards that effort for 5 years... attacking and attacking the premise behind the game long before the premise was ever known... picking apart every potential avenue for a retcon when they knew absolutely that a retcon was necessary... even stating as much that they intended to be a thorn in Bioware's side until Bioware fixed the endings of ME3. Certainly, this doesn't apply to every ME fan. Lots of ME fans like ME:A as well, but there voices get drowned out in this sea of negativity that has plagued this franchise since the ME3 ending debacle... and, unfortunately, also has caused the employees of Bioware great levels of distress. Aaron Flynn even indicated in an interview that some Bioware employees had to seek therapy to deal with the stress. More recently, the fans openly harassed an employee on facebook merely because they believed she was responsible for the animations... and then they wonder where the creative "magic" left Bioware... it was driven out... by the fans. EA may or may not shut down Bioware because of a "flop" - but the will of these employees to try to create something magical is being lost (you can see it in their eyes when they are interviewed and the nervousness in their body language speaks volumes)... and I doubt that the franchise can recover from that loss. The sea of negativity would only be a puddle if the game was better. maybe haters gonna hate, but if you have this many haters, even among professional critics, the problem isn't with the haters. I can understand people standing up this game had they only defended the bits they liked, but I don't quite understand people making excuses for things they don't even like themselves, angry at others for criticizing the flaws.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:34:37 GMT
Yes... some have been setting themselves up to hate this game ever since it was announced that it would not take place in the Milky Way... and they have been consistently posting towards that effort for 5 years... attacking and attacking the premise behind the game long before the premise was ever known... picking apart every potential avenue for a retcon when they knew absolutely that a retcon was necessary... even stating as much that they intended to be a thorn in Bioware's side until Bioware fixed the endings of ME3. Certainly, this doesn't apply to every ME fan. Lots of ME fans like ME:A as well, but there voices get drowned out in this sea of negativity that has plagued this franchise since the ME3 ending debacle... and, unfortunately, also has caused the employees of Bioware great levels of distress. Aaron Flynn even indicated in an interview that some Bioware employees had to seek therapy to deal with the stress. More recently, the fans openly harassed an employee on facebook merely because they believed she was responsible for the animations... and then they wonder where the creative "magic" left Bioware... it was driven out... by the fans. EA may or may not shut down Bioware because of a "flop" - but the will of these employees to try to create something magical is being lost (you can see it in their eyes when they are interviewed and the nervousness in their body language speaks volumes)... and I doubt that the franchise can recover from that loss. Look, it's foolish to think that MEs ending or SJWs are the main reason critics, paid and unpaid reviewers and ME fans are the reason why the game is getting so much flak. Yes of course some of it will be exactly this but not to the extent the defenders want everyone to believe. I believe EA thinks money is not in single player games but in packs for multiplayer. Isn't it possible that a lot of issues in the game are due making sure combat is fast and fluid for multiplayer and make the single player game just okay? Just like ME3s ending could be a reason, so could this. I have said in previous posts... as have other "defenders" that "there are some problems here." So, we ARE acknowledging other difficulties. The question here is why "so many WANT the game to fail." It's not asking about legitimate criticism... but the criticism that does exist that is clearly over the top... and some of that (a good portion of it really) is due to the pattern of hatred from fans that started during the ME3 ending debacle and that behavior on the part of some of those fans has not changed or diminished over the last five years. The proof is in the archives of this forum and did exist for a much longer period in the archives the BSN Prime and probably still exists in the archives of Reddit, etc. The emotional impact on the employees of Bioware who have been under such attack for 5 years can't be denied. Creative people can't create when they're under such attack. I have never said that it's the ONLY reason. I haven't even said it is THE MAIN reason. I have merelys aid that it is a major reason... and the one that is most damaging to the future of the franchise. The economics can be overcome... but the lost of the company's desire to make games... the loss of that creative desire can't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:49:36 GMT
Yes... some have been setting themselves up to hate this game ever since it was announced that it would not take place in the Milky Way... and they have been consistently posting towards that effort for 5 years... attacking and attacking the premise behind the game long before the premise was ever known... picking apart every potential avenue for a retcon when they knew absolutely that a retcon was necessary... even stating as much that they intended to be a thorn in Bioware's side until Bioware fixed the endings of ME3. Certainly, this doesn't apply to every ME fan. Lots of ME fans like ME:A as well, but there voices get drowned out in this sea of negativity that has plagued this franchise since the ME3 ending debacle... and, unfortunately, also has caused the employees of Bioware great levels of distress. Aaron Flynn even indicated in an interview that some Bioware employees had to seek therapy to deal with the stress. More recently, the fans openly harassed an employee on facebook merely because they believed she was responsible for the animations... and then they wonder where the creative "magic" left Bioware... it was driven out... by the fans. EA may or may not shut down Bioware because of a "flop" - but the will of these employees to try to create something magical is being lost (you can see it in their eyes when they are interviewed and the nervousness in their body language speaks volumes)... and I doubt that the franchise can recover from that loss. The sea of negativity would only be a puddle if the game was better. maybe haters gonna hate, but if you have this many haters, even among professional critics, the problem isn't with the haters. I can understand people standing up this game had they only defended the bits they liked, but I don't quite understand people making excuses for things they don't even like themselves, angry at others for criticizing the flaws. The haters here however have been going on long enough that they have had the negative impact on the story of ME:A. It's a story that tries too hard to "justify" it's premise to the fans... explain leaving the galaxy. It tries to hard to stick in "easter eggs" to pacify old ME fans who built up their concerns about it not being a recognizably "Mass Effect" game for years... from the very moment the idea of Andromeda was announced. This has taken away from their ability to focus the story that was being told in Andromeda... of colonization, of fears of leaving, and all the other "feelings" that could have been better built upon. The tensions in the company probably also affect DA:I (and now we have a post above here declaring an all-out never ending hatred for Bioware for a loss of quality between DA:O and DA:I. It's merely a vicious circle that has gone on for 5 years... too long. I just don't see this company (the people inside it) recovering from it. They even tried giving it to a fresh group... but that the "hating" fans have instantly started attacking that group... viciously and over-the-top in some cases (evidenced by the Facebook posts the one girl received that were published on line). I'm not blaming all fans who dislike the game... I don't know how any of us can deter the actual haters and portray any level of emotional encouragement to the actual staff at Bioware... the tremendously creative people... both old and new... who now somehow have to find the gumption and desire to try again IF this franchise is to be "saved." - particularly when we're continually attacked and dismissed as being blind "defenders" of the game for simply stating that we like the game or even that we like particular elements of the game. Personally, I think the franchise may be done for... and that saddens me greatly.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 28, 2017 15:18:19 GMT
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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 28, 2017 15:24:58 GMT
I have said in previous posts... as have other "defenders" that "there are some problems here." So, we ARE acknowledging other difficulties. The question here is why "so many WANT the game to fail." Why should anyone WANT it to succeed if they feel it's a bad game and does not deserve success? It's success invites another bad game.
If it was a brand new IP I don't think it would matter to people, but once you have a known (beloved) quantity people would probably rather it just die and go away then be sullied further. Their first option would probably be that it gets better/back on track, but if that's not feasible post poor sales they'd rather it just end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 15:39:50 GMT
I have said in previous posts... as have other "defenders" that "there are some problems here." So, we ARE acknowledging other difficulties. The question here is why "so many WANT the game to fail." Why should anyone WANT it to succeed if they feel it's a bad game and does not deserve success? It's success invites another bad game.
If it was a brand new IP I don't think it would matter to people, but once you have a known (beloved) quantity people would probably rather it just die and go away then be sullied further. Their first option would probably be that it gets better/back on track, but if that's not feasible post poor sales they'd rather it just end.
Then, they've probably succeeded in killing it. They should own up to that though and accept the responsibility... and the criticism of their behavior that goes with it... rather than continuing to attack the fans who happen to like the game and do want it to succeed. Like it or lump it, there are some of us who do think that ME:A is a pretty decent game with an interesting story and good gameplay. It does need some patching... and we would like the people at Bioware to at least be given some opportunity to support and patch the game... they deserve at least that much. The haters should also avoid the continued use of sweeping universals, oh, like "why would ANYONE"... because, I'm quite sure there are are some people who, despite disliking ME:A and liking ME:T don't want to see ME:A fail so miserably that the franchise collapses entirely. There are also some of us who have always seen a number of flaws in the ME:T and have liked it greatly in spite of those flaws... some of which were merely repeated in ME:A... and some of those flaws were repeated because, essentially, some of the known "hater fans" kept requesting them.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 15:49:14 GMT
Why should anyone WANT it to succeed if they feel it's a bad game and does not deserve success? It's success invites another bad game.
If it was a brand new IP I don't think it would matter to people, but once you have a known (beloved) quantity people would probably rather it just die and go away then be sullied further. Their first option would probably be that it gets better/back on track, but if that's not feasible post poor sales they'd rather it just end.
Then, they've probably succeeded in killing it. They should own up to that though and accept the responsibility... and the criticism of their behavior that goes with it... rather than continuing to attack the fans who happen to like the game and do want it to succeed. Like it or lump it, there are some of us who do think that ME:A is a pretty decent game with an interesting story and good gameplay. It does need some patching... and we would like the people at Bioware to at least be given some opportunity to support and patch the game... they deserve at least that much. So none of the responsibility of "killing" the game lies at Bioware or Ea? Surely they've killed it with what they produced? I don't think it's killed tbh. You act as if the haters are the only ones attacking people, where I see just as many defenders attacking the haters for not liking the game and doing what your doing, blaming them for not liking the game??? How can people be blamed for not liking a game? like you said, like it or lump it, there as a lot of us who think MEA is not a good game or even hate it and it's not an interesting story and they don't enjoy the game play. as mentioned before and others have, how do you make a game succeed if people don't like it? How does EA know people are not happy? Don't buy the game. That says it loudly than any forum or youtube vid. *Edit. Not sure what you mean by people should own up to killing it? Aren't people just owning up to not liking the game and not buying it. The offshoot of that might be killing it, but what should they do? Just buy it anyway?
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 28, 2017 15:50:01 GMT
The sea of negativity would only be a puddle if the game was better. maybe haters gonna hate, but if you have this many haters, even among professional critics, the problem isn't with the haters. I can understand people standing up this game had they only defended the bits they liked, but I don't quite understand people making excuses for things they don't even like themselves, angry at others for criticizing the flaws. The haters here however have been going on long enough that they have had the negative impact on the story of ME:A. It's a story that tries too hard to "justify" it's premise to the fans... explain leaving the galaxy. It tries to hard to stick in "easter eggs" to pacify old ME fans who built up their concerns about it not being a recognizably "Mass Effect" game for years... from the very moment the idea of Andromeda was announced. This has taken away from their ability to focus the story that was being told in Andromeda... of colonization, of fears of leaving, and all the other "feelings" that could have been better built upon. The tensions in the company probably also affect DA:I (and now we have a post above here declaring an all-out never ending hatred for Bioware for a loss of quality between DA:O and DA:I. It's merely a vicious circle that has gone on for 5 years... too long. I just don't see this company (the people inside it) recovering from it. They even tried giving it to a fresh group... but that the "hating" fans have instantly started attacking that group... viciously and over-the-top in some cases (evidenced by the Facebook posts the one girl received that were published on line). I'm not blaming all fans who dislike the game... I don't know how any of us can deter the actual haters and portray any level of emotional encouragement to the actual staff at Bioware... the tremendously creative people... both old and new... who now somehow have to find the gumption and desire to try again IF this franchise is to be "saved." - particularly when we're continually attacked and dismissed as being blind "defenders" of the game for simply stating that we like the game or even that we like particular elements of the game. Personally, I think the franchise may be done for... and that saddens me greatly. I can agree with you that people who do harassment are scums. I disagree on pretty much everything else. I was making your argument years ago against people complained that games were dumbed down from ME1 and rpg elements were stripped. Back then I thought the core of the game is solid so who cares if the pereiphery was not to my liking. Well, now I was one of them because things I appreciate in games (like faithfulness to ingame science and attention to story logic) has decreased in quality and importance, and I got a bunch of mechanics that I couldn't care less about. Don't be surprised next game when you become the person to cry foul at Bioware for messing up what you consider is your "core" game, cuz I think a lot of us would have migrated to something else.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 28, 2017 16:03:00 GMT
What's a hater exactly? Someone who, say, points out that having the asari as clones is a disastrously bad design decision? Bugs I can live with but shit like that reeks of bad prioritising. 'Make asari individuals or polish combat some more? Combat! Combat! Combat!'. I don't want the game to fail and setting up the 'the haters did it!' defence is ridiculous. If Andromeda fails it'll be because of design decisions such as the one above. But I do hope it succeeds so we may have a chance at a better game further down the line.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 16:10:35 GMT
What's a hater exactly? Someone who, say, points out that having the asari as clones is a disastrously bad design decision? Bugs I can live with but shit like that reeks of bad prioritising. 'Make asari individuals or polish combat some more? Combat! Combat! Combat!'. I don't want the game to fail and setting up the 'the haters did it!' defence is ridiculous. If Andromeda fails it'll be because of design decisions such as the one above. But I do hope it succeeds so we may have a chance at a better game further down the line. Not sure how you think a game succeeding means we could get a better game down the line? Surely it not succeeding means they will have to do better?
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 28, 2017 16:12:53 GMT
What's a hater exactly? Someone who, say, points out that having the asari as clones is a disastrously bad design decision? Bugs I can live with but shit like that reeks of bad prioritising. 'Make asari individuals or polish combat some more? Combat! Combat! Combat!'. I don't want the game to fail and setting up the 'the haters did it!' defence is ridiculous. If Andromeda fails it'll be because of design decisions such as the one above. But I do hope it succeeds so we may have a chance at a better game further down the line. Not sure how you think a game succeeding means we could get a better game down the line? Surely it not succeeding means they will have to do better? Not succeeding could mean cancellation. I don't want that but I'm not willing to fork out full price either.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 28, 2017 16:17:53 GMT
The haters here however have been going on long enough that they have had the negative impact on the story of ME:A. It's a story that tries too hard to "justify" it's premise to the fans... explain leaving the galaxy. It tries to hard to stick in "easter eggs" to pacify old ME fans who built up their concerns about it not being a recognizably "Mass Effect" game for years... from the very moment the idea of Andromeda was announced. This has taken away from their ability to focus the story that was being told in Andromeda... of colonization, of fears of leaving, and all the other "feelings" that could have been better built upon. The tensions in the company probably also affect DA:I (and now we have a post above here declaring an all-out never ending hatred for Bioware for a loss of quality between DA:O and DA:I. It's merely a vicious circle that has gone on for 5 years... too long. I just don't see this company (the people inside it) recovering from it. They even tried giving it to a fresh group... but that the "hating" fans have instantly started attacking that group... viciously and over-the-top in some cases (evidenced by the Facebook posts the one girl received that were published on line). I'm not blaming all fans who dislike the game... I don't know how any of us can deter the actual haters and portray any level of emotional encouragement to the actual staff at Bioware... the tremendously creative people... both old and new... who now somehow have to find the gumption and desire to try again IF this franchise is to be "saved." - particularly when we're continually attacked and dismissed as being blind "defenders" of the game for simply stating that we like the game or even that we like particular elements of the game. Personally, I think the franchise may be done for... and that saddens me greatly. I can agree with you that people who do harassment are scums. I disagree on pretty much everything else. I was making your argument years ago against people complained that games were dumbed down from ME1 and rpg elements were stripped. Back then I thought the core of the game is solid so who cares if the pereiphery was not to my liking. Well, now I was one of them because things I appreciate in games (like faithfulness to ingame science and attention to story logic) has decreased in quality and importance, and I got a bunch of mechanics that I couldn't care less about. Don't be surprised next game when you become the person to cry foul at Bioware for messing up what you consider is your "core" game, cuz I think a lot of us would have migrated to something else. The logic and science of this franchise flew out the window the moment Project Lazarus happend, then totally left Orbit when the Star Child appeared. Those aspects of this franchise were destroyed LONG before this game, so don't even try to act like this is a new development. There was absolutely no way to use the science and logic of this setting to explain Andromeda, no explanation was EVER going to be satisfactory, but the reality is, ME3 ensured the Milky Way was absolutely, and completely unusable, for the rest of time. I knew the second Andromeda was announced I wouldn't like their bending of the lore or science to justify it, because I knew it was impossible to justify. but I also knew they had literally no other choice besides just not make ME anymore, and I personally don't want the only Space Opera RPG on the market to go away, never to return.
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Mar 28, 2017 16:19:20 GMT
I know this is just anecdotal. But I went to Wall-mart last Thursday. There were exactly 11 copies of MEA. I went there today again. Not a single one had been sold. Just saying. Or... and I'm just throwing this out there you understand.. they replaced the boxes... Drop your condescending tone. English not being my first language, it'd be hard for me to explain or argue further so I'll just say again that these were the same boxes. Very unlikely they'd have been replaced. They were ordered a certain way, behind glass, and hadn't "moved" if I can say so.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 28, 2017 16:21:21 GMT
Or... and I'm just throwing this out there you understand.. they replaced the boxes... Drop your condescending tone. English not being my first language, it'd be hard for me to explain or argue further so I'll just say again that these were the same boxes. Very unlikely they'd have been replaced. They were ordered a certain way, behind glass, and hadn't "moved" if I can say so. So...someone goes an entire day without buying a copy at a particular store, and somehow this proves something? lol okay.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 16:21:23 GMT
Not sure how you think a game succeeding means we could get a better game down the line? Surely it not succeeding means they will have to do better? Not succeeding could mean cancellation. I don't want that but I'm not willing to fork out full price either. It could, but what should those who don't like MEA do?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 16:22:58 GMT
Then, they've probably succeeded in killing it. They should own up to that though and accept the responsibility... and the criticism of their behavior that goes with it... rather than continuing to attack the fans who happen to like the game and do want it to succeed. Like it or lump it, there are some of us who do think that ME:A is a pretty decent game with an interesting story and good gameplay. It does need some patching... and we would like the people at Bioware to at least be given some opportunity to support and patch the game... they deserve at least that much. So none of the responsibility of "killing" the game lies at Bioware or Ea? Surely they've killed it with what they produced? I don't think it's killed tbh. You act as if the haters are the only ones attacking people, where I see just as many defenders attacking the haters for not liking the game and doing what your doing, blaming them for not liking the game??? How can people be blamed for not liking a game? like you said, like it or lump it, there as a lot of us who think MEA is not a good game or even hate it and it's not an interesting story and they don't enjoy the game play. as mentioned before and others have, how do you make a game succeed if people don't like it? How does EA know people are not happy? Don't buy the game. That says it loudly than any forum or youtube vid. *Edit. Not sure what you mean by people should own up to killing it? Aren't people just owning up to not liking the game and not buying it. The offshoot of that might be killing it, but what should they do? Just buy it anyway? Did I say "none of the responsibility lies with Bioware?" No, I didn't... it's you who keeps trying to apply these universals to my posts when I'm not the one using them. Own up to your behavior here... read what is actually being said by those people who you are accusing of just mindlessly defending the game... and stop that... then, maybe we can sit down and start to have a reasonable conversation about this.. one that will start benefiting the franchise in the future.
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Mar 28, 2017 16:23:44 GMT
Drop your condescending tone. English not being my first language, it'd be hard for me to explain or argue further so I'll just say again that these were the same boxes. Very unlikely they'd have been replaced. They were ordered a certain way, behind glass, and hadn't "moved" if I can say so. So...someone goes an entire day without buying a copy at a particular store, and somehow this proves something? lol okay. *sigh* And this is why I usually lurk rather than participate. Where did I say it proved anything? I stated a fact. You are free to interpret as you will.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 28, 2017 16:24:54 GMT
What's a hater exactly? Someone who, say, points out that having the asari as clones is a disastrously bad design decision? Bugs I can live with but shit like that reeks of bad prioritising. 'Make asari individuals or polish combat some more? Combat! Combat! Combat!'. I don't want the game to fail and setting up the 'the haters did it!' defence is ridiculous. If Andromeda fails it'll be because of design decisions such as the one above. But I do hope it succeeds so we may have a chance at a better game further down the line. I would've preferred they try to get more face presets for npcs but ultimately I don't expect them nor should they give each their own face. There's to much npcs to do that, it then takes away from more important areas when you then do that, like the combat. If anything needs different faces and such, it should be your crew and the important npcs, not the hundreds to thousands that are very minor characters.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 28, 2017 16:25:00 GMT
Not succeeding could mean cancellation. I don't want that but I'm not willing to fork out full price either. It could, but what should those who don't like MEA do? Dunno. I come here and moan.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 28, 2017 16:33:15 GMT
What's a hater exactly? Someone who, say, points out that having the asari as clones is a disastrously bad design decision? Bugs I can live with but shit like that reeks of bad prioritising. 'Make asari individuals or polish combat some more? Combat! Combat! Combat!'. I don't want the game to fail and setting up the 'the haters did it!' defence is ridiculous. If Andromeda fails it'll be because of design decisions such as the one above. But I do hope it succeeds so we may have a chance at a better game further down the line. I would've preferred they try to get more face presets for npcs but ultimately I don't expect them nor should they give each their own face. There's to much npcs to do that, it then takes away from more important areas when you then do that, like the combat. If anything needs different faces and such, it should be your crew and the important npcs, not the hundreds to thousands that are very minor characters. Um, why not? Not every asari obviously but choosing from 4 or 5 presets wouldn't have been too difficult surely? Especially considering they've done it in their previous games. It's pretty bad at the moment even when you only see one at a time but when you have two or more onscreen it's a proper WTF? moment. Anyway, there's another thread discussing this. I only brought it up to try and clarify what criticism marks you as a 'hater'?
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Post by finoderi on Mar 28, 2017 16:44:20 GMT
I don't know why many people want MEA to fail ) I can tell why I want the sales of the game to be low enough for EA to act accordingly. It's unfinished low quality twaddle. For me it's the 'adequate cause' for depart.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 28, 2017 16:48:13 GMT
I would've preferred they try to get more face presets for npcs but ultimately I don't expect them nor should they give each their own face. There's to much npcs to do that, it then takes away from more important areas when you then do that, like the combat. If anything needs different faces and such, it should be your crew and the important npcs, not the hundreds to thousands that are very minor characters. Um, why not? Not every asari obviously but choosing from 4 or 5 presets wouldn't have been too difficult surely? Especially considering they've done it in their previous games. It's pretty bad at the moment even when you only see one at a time but when you have two or more onscreen it's a proper WTF? moment. Anyway, there's another thread discussing this. I only brought it up to try and clarify what criticism marks you as a 'hater'? I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying they should've done more presets to at least make it not as noticeable, what I'm also saying though is it's to much to ask them to make "every" asari different from each other. That's if it's just the asari that use the same models, what of the krogans and turians? as for the topic of what classifies as a "hater": I think it doesn't mean much. I can't stand the rift of "haters+fanboys" as everyone's pro mass effect in the end. We all differ in choice on where the franchise should go. There's nothing wrong with people bringing up issues on a game and it's wrong for another to pretend or downplay issues. It's naive of someone to pretend the facial animations aren't bad when it's a laughing stock right now. That's one example of this rift. It's also wrong for people to condem others for liking the game even with its flaws, as long as they have their reasons and they're able to admit the flaws it should be fine. I like the game, I still admit it's numerous bugs, bad animation, underachieving story, plus bad organization if the crafting plus inventory but I still like it because of the open world esq approach, the best gun play to date (at the sacrifice of less abilities to use tho :/ ), the gorgeous worlds it offers and the exploration aspect of the game. Plus the voice acting itself isn't bad, it's the bad narrative and dialogue that does hurt the good voice acting though.
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