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Post by fatherjerusalem on Mar 27, 2017 20:27:53 GMT
Yes, EA. Listen to someone who thinks:
a) Andromeda isn't selling well
and ME is someone in it's grave Because he/she clearly has a good understanding of how reality works.. SofNascimento Andromeda's first week sales in the UK, were worse than ME2 and ME3. It also didn't beat Horizon: Zero Dawn, an exclusive new IP, whereas Andromeda is an established IP across multiple platforms. This doesn't paint a good picture for how Andromeda is doing commercially. Regardless of how much you, or anyone else on here likes ME:A, EA/Bioware are going to have to do some course correcting, if they want to save the franchise. Physical. Copies. Only. There's. No. Information. On. Digital. Downloads. Which. Are. Much. More. Prevalent. Now. Than. They. Were. For. ME2. And. ME3. As. Well. It's. Still. Topping. The. UK. Sales. Charts. For. Said. Physical. Copies. Jesus fucking fuckweasel christ on a god damned monkeyhumping pogo stick. If you're going to tell the story to be fucking dramatic, TELL THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY. God damn you've done nothing but cry doom and gloom and talk about how people at Bioware should be fired for the last... god, I don't even know how long. As long as these forums have existed, probably.
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 27, 2017 20:31:07 GMT
Yes, EA. Listen to someone who thinks:
a) Andromeda isn't selling well
and ME is someone in it's grave Because he/she clearly has a good understanding of how reality works.. SofNascimento Andromeda's first week sales in the UK, were worse than ME2 and ME3. It also didn't beat Horizon: Zero Dawn, an exclusive new IP, whereas Andromeda is an established IP across multiple platforms. This doesn't paint a good picture for how Andromeda is doing commercially. Exactly. I mean, if you add up digital sales, that might change something, but nothing major. We definitely should compare Andromeda with the other games of the franchise. And we can clearly see it's not doing well. Assuming MEA did not have a smaller budget than either ME2 and ME3, which is an extremely safe assumption, it took more time than both combined to develop. Not to mention, ME2 had both critic and fan praise, ME3 had the critics and MEA has neither. By the way, I don't think they should drop Andromeda supoprt. Quite the contrary. They have to fix the game and I expect a few SP DLCs and MP DLCs. Something like DA2 with the former and DAI or better with the latter.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 27, 2017 20:32:32 GMT
Did you not read what I just said? Are you fucking kidding me dude? It was the first two sentences of my very short post. Being No.1 with no competition and against two games that have been out for awhile now, isn't a big victory. It's selling WORSE than ME2 and ME3. It had less first week sales than Horizon, a console exclusive new IP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 20:39:04 GMT
It's really weird how much you want this game to fail.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 27, 2017 20:39:54 GMT
Andromeda's first week sales in the UK, were worse than ME2 and ME3. It also didn't beat Horizon: Zero Dawn, an exclusive new IP, whereas Andromeda is an established IP across multiple platforms. This doesn't paint a good picture for how Andromeda is doing commercially. Regardless of how much you, or anyone else on here likes ME:A, EA/Bioware are going to have to do some course correcting, if they want to save the franchise. Physical. Copies. Only. There's. No. Information. On. Digital. Downloads. Which. Are. Much. More. Prevalent. Now. Than. They. Were. For. ME2. And. ME3. As. Well. It's. Still. Topping. The. UK. Sales. Charts. For. Said. Physical. Copies. Jesus fucking fuckweasel christ on a god damned monkeyhumping pogo stick. If you're going to tell the story to be fucking dramatic, TELL THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY. God damn you've done nothing but cry doom and gloom and talk about how people at Bioware should be fired for the last... god, I don't even know how long. As long as these forums have existed, probably. I did tell the whole story. The only thing up in their air is whether or not with the addition of digital sales, if it outsold ME2's first week sales in the UK. But we know so far that both physical and digital it sold worse than ME3 at launch. (Correction, just physical.)And frankly I don't care about you guys crying about me being doom and gloom. From my point of view I'm being realistic. If the games are good, I'll say they're good. I think DA:I is good and I hold on to that opinion to this day. ME:A is not good imo, and I'll continue on with that attitude. So either put me on ignore or deal with it. Also I haven't been on here since the forums have existed. You don't have good memory.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 27, 2017 20:41:17 GMT
It's really weird how much you want this game to fail. Really? Cause there's people on here who can attest to me wanting this game to succeed leading up to release. Also I don't want this game to fail. I want Mass Effect to continue. But I want it to continue the right way, and not stay the course that's damaging the brand name.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 20:42:03 GMT
I want a remaster so badly for a simple reason: controller support. I still have my Xbox but would much rather play on PC with enhanced textures. But I'm too dumb for mouse and keyboard after decades of console gaming. FWIW - I originally played the trilogy on PS3, and recently bought it for PC. With the controller mods available for all 3 games (and the help of an Xbox controller emulator for DS3 controller), I was able to play them on PC with the controller, without missing a beat.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 27, 2017 20:45:57 GMT
I did tell the whole story. The only thing up in their air is whether or not with the addition of digital sales, if it outsold ME2's first week sales in the UK. But we know so far that both physical and digital it sold worse than ME3 at launch. No you don't. You have no way of knowing. At all. You are literally making stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 20:49:53 GMT
No one even knows the digital sales lmao.
Even the articles saying Andromeda has sold less than ME2 or ME3 admits that digital sales are becoming more and more commonplace than they were 5 years ago. You can't even buy physical copies of most PC games anymore and Xbone and PS4 both have digital downloads now.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 27, 2017 20:53:11 GMT
I want to know where he got his Origin sale data from. EA would be interested too I suspect.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Mar 27, 2017 20:54:33 GMT
Physical. Copies. Only. There's. No. Information. On. Digital. Downloads. Which. Are. Much. More. Prevalent. Now. Than. They. Were. For. ME2. And. ME3. As. Well. It's. Still. Topping. The. UK. Sales. Charts. For. Said. Physical. Copies. Jesus fucking fuckweasel christ on a god damned monkeyhumping pogo stick. If you're going to tell the story to be fucking dramatic, TELL THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY. God damn you've done nothing but cry doom and gloom and talk about how people at Bioware should be fired for the last... god, I don't even know how long. As long as these forums have existed, probably. I did tell the whole story. The only thing up in their air is whether or not with the addition of digital sales, if it outsold ME2's first week sales in the UK. But we know so far that both physical and digital it sold worse than ME3 at launch. And frankly I don't care about you guys crying about me being doom and gloom. From my point of view I'm being realistic. If the games are good, I'll say they're good. I think DA:I is good and I hold on to that opinion to this day. ME:A is not good imo, and I'll continue on with that attitude. So either put me on ignore or deal with it. Also I haven't been on here since the forums have e"xisted. You don't have good memory. "I did tell the whole story." You didn't. "But we know so far that both physical and digital it sold worse than ME3 at launch." We don't. "From my point of view I'm being realistic." Your point of view is skewed as all fuck. "If the games are good, I'll say they're good." Lie #4, just for those of us keeping track. "Also I haven't been on here since the forums have e"xisted. You don't have good memory." No I just don't care enough about you to go through your post history of whingey bullshit to find out exactly when you turned into the new BSN's Doomsayer. There's literally no information available on the digital sales for Andromeda. Speculating otherwise is pure stupidity.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 27, 2017 20:58:54 GMT
Yea, I have to agree, the retail copy statistic is not really helpful, when comparing sales between 2012 and 2017. Regardless of what you think of the game itself, there is no information there.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 27, 2017 21:00:46 GMT
Andromeda's first week sales in the UK, were worse than ME2 and ME3. It also didn't beat Horizon: Zero Dawn, an exclusive new IP, whereas Andromeda is an established IP across multiple platforms. This doesn't paint a good picture for how Andromeda is doing commercially. Exactly. I mean, if you add up digital sales, that might change something, but nothing major. We definitely should compare Andromeda with the other games of the franchise. And we can clearly see it's not doing well. Assuming MEA did not have a smaller budget than either ME2 and ME3, which is an extremely safe assumption, it took more time than both combined to develop. Not to mention, ME2 had both critic and fan praise, ME3 had the critics and MEA has neither. For clarity, your position is that digital sales haven't yet got to the point where they're impacting physical sales? I have no idea what the trends are myself; as a PC gamer it's academic for me since physical is done.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 27, 2017 21:05:43 GMT
Exactly. I mean, if you add up digital sales, that might change something, but nothing major. We definitely should compare Andromeda with the other games of the franchise. And we can clearly see it's not doing well. Assuming MEA did not have a smaller budget than either ME2 and ME3, which is an extremely safe assumption, it took more time than both combined to develop. Not to mention, ME2 had both critic and fan praise, ME3 had the critics and MEA has neither. For clarity, your position is that digital sales haven't yet got to the point where they're impacting physical sales? I have no idea what the trends are myself; as a PC gamer it's academic for me since physical is done. Are digital sales a thing for consoles? Honestly, I don't know, my last console was a PS2. I mean, digital sales could be significant for PC sales, of course. But enough to greatly alter overall sales numbers?
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Post by vonuber on Mar 27, 2017 21:07:42 GMT
I mean, digital sales could be significant for PC sales, of course. But enough to greatly alter overall sales numbers? Er yes because they are only digital? Or are you saying no-one buys it on pc?
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Post by Iakus on Mar 27, 2017 21:09:15 GMT
I mean, digital sales could be significant for PC sales, of course. But enough to greatly alter overall sales numbers? Er yes because they are only digital? Or are you saying no-one buys it on pc? I'm saying I know that digital sales could significantly affect PC sales. But I don't know if they can significantly affect XBox or PS4 sales.
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Post by Hudson on Mar 27, 2017 21:15:16 GMT
The only thing we know about sales is that it sold fewer physical copies in the first week than its predecessor (And that its number one on the sales charts in the UK). And considering how much more prevalent downloads are versus physical purchases five years later, that isn't really surprising nor does it tell us very much about how the game is selling. seeing as the pc version is a code in a box does it still count as physical copy?
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 27, 2017 21:16:50 GMT
Andromeda's first week sales in the UK, were worse than ME2 and ME3. It also didn't beat Horizon: Zero Dawn, an exclusive new IP, whereas Andromeda is an established IP across multiple platforms. This doesn't paint a good picture for how Andromeda is doing commercially. Exactly. I mean, if you add up digital sales, that might change something, but nothing major.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 27, 2017 21:18:01 GMT
The only thing we know about sales is that it sold fewer physical copies in the first week than its predecessor (And that its number one on the sales charts in the UK). And considering how much more prevalent downloads are versus physical purchases five years later, that isn't really surprising nor does it tell us very much about how the game is selling. seeing as the pc version is a code in a box does it still count as physical copy? I have no idea. Maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 21:19:15 GMT
For clarity, your position is that digital sales haven't yet got to the point where they're impacting physical sales? I have no idea what the trends are myself; as a PC gamer it's academic for me since physical is done. Are digital sales a thing for consoles? Honestly, I don't know, my last console was a PS2. Yes. I bought the trilogy (and several other games) as a digital download from PlaystationNetwork; I don't own it on disk. Come to think of it - I own more games that I've downloaded on PS3 than disks overall.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 27, 2017 21:23:54 GMT
Even Destiny is getting a sequel, I don't think mass effect needs to be "saved" And it's funny because Destiny is essentially a big colorful pile of broken promises that went off the rails to the point where whatever narrative was left was just a bunch of sci-fantasy gibberish. It's a freaking blast to play. Especially with a group a friends. I put more hours into destiny than probably most the games I've played combined. The story is crap for sure but it's still a great game.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 27, 2017 21:28:53 GMT
Er yes because they are only digital? Or are you saying no-one buys it on pc? I'm saying I know that digital sales could significantly affect PC sales. But I don't know if they can significantly affect XBox or PS4 sales. The point is, it doesn't even matter that much if you are just comparing ME:A to ME3 and want to make the point that there were less ME:A copies sold. As I said before, comparing retail sales between 2012 and 2017 does not make much sense to me. Now, I can't tell if ME:A is doing well or not, I don't think anyone outside of EA can. Personally, given all the hype there was but also all the negative perception during the trial, I think it could go either way. It's always important to remember that 99% of customers don't know anything about the game they are buying and don't really care. Very likely, marketing, big advertisements and maybe even a nice box art have more impact than all the bitching on the internet combined. So even if we knew how well ME:A did, even then, it would only give us a minimal amount if information about the quality of the game. So I am not sure if there is even a point to be made in this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 21:30:49 GMT
The only thing we know about sales is that it sold fewer physical copies in the first week than its predecessor (And that its number one on the sales charts in the UK). And considering how much more prevalent downloads are versus physical purchases five years later, that isn't really surprising nor does it tell us very much about how the game is selling. seeing as the pc version is a code in a box does it still count as physical copy? From an income perspective that would count as physical as they share profit with the retailer. Everything bought on Origin is a 100% profit for EA. Atleast that is how i see it.
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Post by Hudson on Mar 27, 2017 21:33:33 GMT
seeing as the pc version is a code in a box does it still count as physical copy? From an income perspective that would count as physical as they share profit with the retailer. Everything bought on Origin is a 100% profit for EA. Atleast that is how i see it. i still like physical copies, and wouldve bought one if i could.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 27, 2017 21:33:44 GMT
Riiight, go back to the trilogy and fix the endings As if the damage hasn't been done in the first place. They had their chance back when the game shipped leading up to Extended Cut and they chose not to do anything drastic, and it's not as if the ending is the only problem with ME3 anyways.
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